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AK47 vs. M16 with Gunnery Sgt. R Lee Ermey

 
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M16 (M4)...but barely. It eeks out a win due to the better accuracy and lighter ammo.

But if you must have a zombie killer that will fire after you drop it in the mud, and you'll be using is closer than 100 yards, the Ak is really hard to beat.

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That's why I have an AR-15 and a 7.62 x 54 bolt action...I don't compare a 7/16 wrench with a 3/8, they both have their purpose in my toolbox.
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Piston Operated AR-15... best of both
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i don't have a gun because we have freedom here.
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Piston Operated AR-15... best of both
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Not really...it will run cleaner, but it still doesn't like dirt in the action. Unlike the AK, which really doesn't care; the tolerances are really that loose.

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That's why I have an AR-15 and a 7.62 x 54 bolt action...I don't compare a 7/16 wrench with a 3/8, they both have their purpose in my toolbox.
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Are they for shooting Knee_grahs?

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M16 especially todays version has too many advantages over being able to drop it in the mud...
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That's why I have an AR-15 and a 7.62 x 54 bolt action...I don't compare a 7/16 wrench with a 3/8, they both have their purpose in my toolbox.
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Are they for shooting Knee_grahs?

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Among other trash ohyeah
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Good stuff!


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AK rules. I get sub-MOA from my Saiga 308. Piston AR is good too but AK rounds are 50% more potent so if a feral animal is hiding in a car your AK have better chance sending it to where it came from.

Forget about DI AR, soldiers get killed and captured thanks to its massive jamming power.

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remember, your weapon is made by the lowest bidder
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Always depends on the operator...regardless of weapon system...both have advantages...AK less likely to jam..
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remember, your weapon is made by the lowest bidder
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Not in the private sector...we have many manufacturers to choose from...
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If you watched the video the AK 47 won hands down, except the final full auto shoot out, which was blatantly rigged.

In the first two "tests" the Ak 47 had a full wood stock.
In the last "test" it was one with a folding stock.

A folding stock rifle, on full auto, will result in lots more misses vs a wood stock.
Plus the shooter used an improper stance for full auto fire.
So much for fair competition.
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M-16 and variants is a better "rifle"
AK is a better "machine gun/assualt weapon"

I'll take my AK as an assualt weapon mower...and a good bolt action for a rifle...my 300 WinMag is also good for that...
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i don't have a gun because we have freedom here.
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If you watched the video the AK 47 won hands down, except the final full auto shoot out, which was blatantly rigged.

In the first two "tests" the Ak 47 had a full wood stock.
In the last "test" it was one with a folding stock.

A folding stock rifle, on full auto, will result in lots more misses vs a wood stock.
Plus the shooter used an improper stance for full auto fire.
So much for fair competition.


He was just joking, he knows the AK has a lot of advantages.
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Good stuff!

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AK rules. I get sub-MOA from my Saiga 308. Piston AR is good too but AK rounds are 50% more potent so if a feral animal is hiding in a car your AK have better chance sending it to where it came from.

Forget about DI AR, soldiers get killed and captured thanks to its massive jamming power.

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And 50% more heavy (sic). The newer M4's by the better manufacturers an certainly not nearly as prone to jam as the older M16's. Cleaner powder makes a huge difference, too. It's not 1968 any more.

Me, personally, I'd rather have more ammo on my person than fewer of a larger projectile.

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Me, personally, I'd rather have more ammo on my person than fewer of a larger projectile.

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So you would rather a 22 lr eh...?
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i don't have a gun because we have freedom here.
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Yeah, right.
What freedom is that?
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i don't have a gun because we have freedom here.
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Ahem...yeah. Keep drinking the Kool-Aid.
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Me, personally, I'd rather have more ammo on my person than fewer of a larger projectile.

cheers
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So you would rather a 22 lr eh...?
 Quoting: Maguyver


We'll in certain circumstances, yes. But in a defensive mode, the round needs to be effective (take a man out of the fight) to at least 300 yards. The M855A1 will do that out past 600 yards, or so the claim. (and pierce 3/8 metal plate at 400 yards.)

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I have shot both, Ar is very nice but I just dont like the fear factor of feeling it must be cleaned after every use, or every time it drops in the mud. I know they are a bit more resiliant than that, but the action is a bit more complicated more parts odds and ends to assemble. AK is just strip down easy and rugged as hell.

Piston AR probably helps a little on that end. The ballistics are not my worry, I am not that kind of shooter. Sense you can kill with a rock if thrown hard enough.
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I never minded the M16 when in the service. Never had any stoppage/jams that were reported by others years ago. It's not difficult to keep clean either. I had one of the Chinese Norinco AKs it was nice and I really like a wood stock. It shot well and pretty sure it could tolerate alot of abuse. Tons of after market accessorie for those things I think I would like to try out one of those M14s. Very expensive but they are so sexy looking and I bet they are a pleasure to shoot/own.
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The "shooter" is the most important variable..........VARIABLE.