AK47 vs. M16 with Gunnery Sgt. R Lee Ermey | |
Maguyver User ID: 808852 United States 11/20/2012 04:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | M16 (M4)...but barely. It eeks out a win due to the better accuracy and lighter ammo. But if you must have a zombie killer that will fire after you drop it in the mud, and you'll be using is closer than 100 yards, the Ak is really hard to beat. Adversity is inevitable, misery is optional. Do or do not. There is no try. "The enemy will never attack where you are strongest...He will attack where you are weakest. If you do not know your weakest point, be certain, your enemy will." Sun Tzu |
BRIEF User ID: 381742 United States 11/20/2012 04:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That's why I have an AR-15 and a 7.62 x 54 bolt action...I don't compare a 7/16 wrench with a 3/8, they both have their purpose in my toolbox. I never forgive and I never forget I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked. |
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Maguyver User ID: 808852 United States 11/20/2012 04:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not really...it will run cleaner, but it still doesn't like dirt in the action. Unlike the AK, which really doesn't care; the tolerances are really that loose. Adversity is inevitable, misery is optional. Do or do not. There is no try. "The enemy will never attack where you are strongest...He will attack where you are weakest. If you do not know your weakest point, be certain, your enemy will." Sun Tzu |
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BRIEF User ID: 381742 United States 11/20/2012 05:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That's why I have an AR-15 and a 7.62 x 54 bolt action...I don't compare a 7/16 wrench with a 3/8, they both have their purpose in my toolbox. Quoting: BRIEF Are they for shooting Knee_grahs? Among other trash I never forgive and I never forget I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 14443159 United States 11/20/2012 05:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | AK rules. I get sub-MOA from my Saiga 308. Piston AR is good too but AK rounds are 50% more potent so if a feral animal is hiding in a car your AK have better chance sending it to where it came from. Forget about DI AR, soldiers get killed and captured thanks to its massive jamming power. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 28145772 United States 11/20/2012 05:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you watched the video the AK 47 won hands down, except the final full auto shoot out, which was blatantly rigged. In the first two "tests" the Ak 47 had a full wood stock. In the last "test" it was one with a folding stock. A folding stock rifle, on full auto, will result in lots more misses vs a wood stock. Plus the shooter used an improper stance for full auto fire. So much for fair competition. |
SHR Forum Administrator 11/20/2012 05:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | M-16 and variants is a better "rifle" AK is a better "machine gun/assualt weapon" I'll take my AK as an assualt weapon mower...and a good bolt action for a rifle...my 300 WinMag is also good for that... ____________________________________________________ E-mail anytime [email protected] Inquiring about a ban?, include the IP address found here. [link to www.showmemyip.com] Ooooh, see the fire is sweepin' Our very streets today... Burns like a red coal carpet, Mad bulls lost the way... War, children, it's just a shot away...it's just a shot away.... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1165448 United States 11/20/2012 05:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you watched the video the AK 47 won hands down, except the final full auto shoot out, which was blatantly rigged. In the first two "tests" the Ak 47 had a full wood stock. In the last "test" it was one with a folding stock. A folding stock rifle, on full auto, will result in lots more misses vs a wood stock. Plus the shooter used an improper stance for full auto fire. So much for fair competition. He was just joking, he knows the AK has a lot of advantages. |
Maguyver User ID: 808852 United States 11/20/2012 05:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | AK rules. I get sub-MOA from my Saiga 308. Piston AR is good too but AK rounds are 50% more potent so if a feral animal is hiding in a car your AK have better chance sending it to where it came from. Forget about DI AR, soldiers get killed and captured thanks to its massive jamming power. And 50% more heavy (sic). The newer M4's by the better manufacturers an certainly not nearly as prone to jam as the older M16's. Cleaner powder makes a huge difference, too. It's not 1968 any more. Me, personally, I'd rather have more ammo on my person than fewer of a larger projectile. Adversity is inevitable, misery is optional. Do or do not. There is no try. "The enemy will never attack where you are strongest...He will attack where you are weakest. If you do not know your weakest point, be certain, your enemy will." Sun Tzu |
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Maguyver User ID: 808852 United States 11/20/2012 05:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Me, personally, I'd rather have more ammo on my person than fewer of a larger projectile. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14443159 So you would rather a 22 lr eh...? We'll in certain circumstances, yes. But in a defensive mode, the round needs to be effective (take a man out of the fight) to at least 300 yards. The M855A1 will do that out past 600 yards, or so the claim. (and pierce 3/8 metal plate at 400 yards.) Adversity is inevitable, misery is optional. Do or do not. There is no try. "The enemy will never attack where you are strongest...He will attack where you are weakest. If you do not know your weakest point, be certain, your enemy will." Sun Tzu |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 22017972 United States 11/20/2012 07:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have shot both, Ar is very nice but I just dont like the fear factor of feeling it must be cleaned after every use, or every time it drops in the mud. I know they are a bit more resiliant than that, but the action is a bit more complicated more parts odds and ends to assemble. AK is just strip down easy and rugged as hell. Piston AR probably helps a little on that end. The ballistics are not my worry, I am not that kind of shooter. Sense you can kill with a rock if thrown hard enough. |
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