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A question about Heaven, and Death for the Christians out there

 
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A question about Heaven, and Death for the Christians out there
Why is it when people die in the bible there is no mention of them ever going to heaven or meeting god?

Let me give you an example.
Take Noah for instance, he dies and thats it, you never hear from him again, theres no mention of him being in heaven or going to heaven, and Christ never mentions any of the people who have died as being in heaven with god either.

So what happens to us when we die?

When god limited our years and took immortality away, did he really mean for us to die, and never return go to heaven etc etc?
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Listen man, Christianity was morphed into a fear campaign back in 325AD during the roman empire. Constantine formed the council of nicea which was a group of religious and cult leaders to form a modern day catholicism and christianity.

The god of christianity is an evil vengeful god. He demands worship from us in order for us to make it into his heaven. He knowingly created satan and when satan rebelled he sent him to the planet he chose to let us incarnate on. If you believe in destiny then you also believe that god destines people to hell.
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Listen man, Christianity was morphed into a fear campaign back in 325AD during the roman empire. Constantine formed the council of nicea which was a group of religious and cult leaders to form a modern day catholicism and christianity.

The god of christianity is an evil vengeful god. He demands worship from us in order for us to make it into his heaven. He knowingly created satan and when satan rebelled he sent him to the planet he chose to let us incarnate on. If you believe in destiny then you also believe that god destines people to hell.
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fear campaign huh...

1.For God has not given us a spirit of fear and timidity, but of power, love, and self-discipline. 2 Timothy 1:7 NLT
2.Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father has been pleased to give you the kingdom. Luke 12:32 NIV
3.The angel of the LORD encamps around those who fear him, and he delivers them. Psalm 34:7 NIV
4.So don’t be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows. Matt 10:31 NIV
5.Serve only the Lord your God and fear him alone. Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him. Deuteronomy 13:4 NLT
6.I am leaving you with a gift—peace of mind and heart. And the peace I give is a gift the world cannot give. So don’t be troubled or afraid. John 14:27 NLT
7.This is my command—be strong and courageous! Do not be afraid or discouraged. For the Lord your God is with you wherever you go. Joshua 1:9 NLT
8.But even if you suffer for doing what is right, God will reward you for it. So don’t worry or be afraid of their threats. 1 Peter 3:14 NLT
9.One night the Lord spoke to Paul in a vision and told him, “Don’t be afraid! Speak out! Don’t be silent! Acts 18:9 NLT
10.Such love has no fear, because perfect love expels all fear. If we are afraid, it is for fear of punishment, and this shows that we have not fully experienced his perfect love. 1 John 4:18 NLT
11.When I am afraid, I put my trust in you. Psalm 56:3 NIV
12.In God, whose word I praise— in God I trust and am not afraid. What can mere mortals do to me? Psalm 56:4 NIV
13.He will cover you with his feathers. He will shelter you with his wings. His faithful promises are your armor and protection. Do not be afraid of the terrors of the night, nor the arrow that flies in the day. Do not dread the disease that stalks in darkness, nor the disaster that strikes at midday. Though a thousand fall at your side, though ten thousand are dying around you, these evils will not touch you. Psalm 91:4-8 NLT
14.They do not fear bad news; they confidently trust the Lord to care for them. Psalm 112:7 NLT
15.Do not tremble; do not be afraid. Did I not proclaim my purposes for you long ago? You are my witnesses—is there any other God? No! There is no other Rock—not one! Isaiah 44:8 NLT
16.I, am the one who comforts you. So why are you afraid of mere humans, who wither like the grass and disappear? Isaiah 51:12 NLT
17.Be not afraid of them [their faces], for I am with you to deliver you, says the Lord. Jeremiah 1:8 Amplified
18.But Jesus overheard them and said to Jairus, “Don’t be afraid. Just have faith.”Mark 5:36 NLT
19.They had rowed three or four miles when suddenly they saw Jesus walking on the water toward the boat. They were terrified, but he called out to them, “Don’t be afraid. I am here!” John 6:19-20 NLT
20.“Don’t be afraid,” Moses answered them, “for God has come in this way to test you, and so that your fear of him will keep you from sinning!” Exodus 20:20 NLT
21.You must always act in the fear of the Lord, with faithfulness and an undivided heart. 2 Chronicles 19:9 NLT
22.The Lord is a friend to those who fear him. He teaches them his covenant. Psalm 25:14 NLT
23.But the Lord watches over those who fear him, those who rely on his unfailing love. Psalm 33:18 NLT
24.I prayed to the Lord, and he answered me. He freed me from all my fears. Psalm 34:4 NLT
25.Fear the Lord, you his godly people, for those who fear him will have all they need. Psalm 34:9 NLT
26.The Lord is like a father to his children, tender and compassionate to those who fear him. Psalm 103:13 NLT
27.Fear of the Lord leads to life, bringing security and protection from harm. Proverbs 19:23 NLT
28.True humility and fear of the Lord lead to riches, honor, and long life. Proverbs 22:4 NLT
29.Fearing people is a dangerous trap, but trusting the Lord means safety. Proverbs 29:25 NLT
30.Charm is deceptive, and beauty does not last; but a woman who fears the Lord will be greatly praised. Proverbs 31:30 NLT
31.He will be your sure foundation, providing a rich store of salvation, wisdom, and knowledge. The fear of the Lord will be your treasure. Isaiah 33:6 NLT
32.Say to those with fearful hearts, “Be strong, and do not fear, for your God is coming to destroy your enemies. He is coming to save you.” Isaiah 35:4 NLT
33.Listen to me, you who know right from wrong you who cherish my law in your hearts. Do not be afraid of people’s scorn, nor fear their insults. Isaiah 51:7 NLT
34.Fear not; you will no longer live in shame. Don’t be afraid; there is no more disgrace for you. You will no longer remember the shame of your youth and the sorrows of widowhood. Isaiah 54:4 NLT
35.For the Lord your God is living among you. He is a mighty savior. He will take delight in you with gladness. With his love, he will calm all your fears.He will rejoice over you with joyful songs. Zephaniah 3:17 NLT
36.Don’t be afraid of those who want to kill your body; they cannot touch your soul. Fear only God, who can destroy both soul and body in hell. Matt 10:28 NLT
37.We have been rescued from our enemies so we can serve God without fear, in holiness and righteousness for as long as we live. Luke 1:74-75 NLT
38.And I am convinced that nothing can ever separate us from God’s love. Neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither our fears for today nor our worries about tomorrow—not even the powers of hell can separate us from God’s love. Romans 8:38 NLT
39.We faced conflict from every direction, with battles on the outside and fear on the inside. But God, who encourages those who are discouraged, encouraged us by the arrival of Titus. His presence was a joy. 2 Corinthians 7:5-6 NLT
40.Since we are receiving a Kingdom that is unshakable, let us be thankful and please God by worshiping him with holy fear and awe. Hebrews 12:28 NLT
41.Such love has no fear, because perfect love expels all fear. If we are afraid, it is for fear of punishment, and this shows that we have not fully experienced his perfect love. 1 John 4:18 NLT
42.“Fear God,” he shouted. “Give glory to him. For the time has come when he will sit as judge. Worship him who made the heavens, the earth, the sea, and all the springs of water.” Revelation 14:7 NLT
43.And from the throne came a voice that said, “Praise our God, all his servants, all who fear him, from the least to the greatest.” Revelation 19:5 NLT
44.Even though I walk through the darkest valley,I will fear no evil, for you are with me Psalm 23:4 NIV
45.Do not be afraid of anyone, for judgment belongs to God. Deuteronomy 1:17 NIV
46.Do not be afraid of them; the LORD your God himself will fight for you. Deuteronomy 3:22 NIV
47.The LORD is my light and my salvation— whom shall I fear? The LORD is the stronghold of my life— of whom shall I be afraid? Psalm 27:1 NIV
48.He said to his disciples, “Why are you so afraid? Do you still have no faith?” Mark 4:40 NIV
49.Jesus told him, “Don’t be afraid; just believe.” Mark 5:36 NIV
50.Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. Revelation 1:17 NIV
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Im trying to grasp as to why god would limit our years on earth, only to give us everlasting life later on, it doesnt make sense.
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For those interested in serious reading vs. cute one-liners:

[link to www.leithvalley.org.nz]
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Why is it when people die in the bible there is no mention of them ever going to heaven or meeting god?

Let me give you an example.
Take Noah for instance, he dies and thats it, you never hear from him again, theres no mention of him being in heaven or going to heaven, and Christ never mentions any of the people who have died as being in heaven with god either.

So what happens to us when we die?

When god limited our years and took immortality away, did he really mean for us to die, and never return go to heaven etc etc?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28167922

When you die you come across a series of gates or doorways and you need to have the correct keys or passwords if you will to enter into heaven. There are 3 of them. Can you guess what they are? If you get them wrong or don't have the keys than you get to go with the jewish freemason that
You are under and you will meet lucifer the devil and he will do with you want he pleases.
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Why is it when people die in the bible there is no mention of them ever going to heaven or meeting god?

Let me give you an example.
Take Noah for instance, he dies and thats it, you never hear from him again, theres no mention of him being in heaven or going to heaven, and Christ never mentions any of the people who have died as being in heaven with god either.

So what happens to us when we die?

When god limited our years and took immortality away, did he really mean for us to die, and never return go to heaven etc etc?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28167922

When you die you come across a series of gates or doorways and you need to have the correct keys or passwords if you will to enter into heaven. There are 3 of them. Can you guess what they are? If you get them wrong or don't have the keys than you get to go with the jewish freemason that
You are under and you will meet lucifer the devil and he will do with you want he pleases.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22787868


Fair enough, but what has happened to the people like Noah, or Adam, Jacob, etc, when they died?

Why do we never hear of say Adam, Noah, Moses when they die, I mean even when Jesus comes down he never mentions Adam or anyone that has come before him as being in heaven.
So when we die is there a heaven at all?

Or does everything just end when we die?
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Listen man, Christianity was morphed into a fear campaign back in 325AD during the roman empire. Constantine formed the council of nicea which was a group of religious and cult leaders to form a modern day catholicism and christianity.

The god of christianity is an evil vengeful god. He demands worship from us in order for us to make it into his heaven. He knowingly created satan and when satan rebelled he sent him to the planet he chose to let us incarnate on. If you believe in destiny then you also believe that god destines people to hell.
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fear campaign huh...

1.For God has not given us a spirit of fear and timidity, but of power, love, and self-discipline. 2 Timothy 1:7 NLT
2.Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father has been pleased to give you the kingdom. Luke 12:32 NIV
3.The angel of the LORD encamps around those who fear him, and he delivers them. Psalm 34:7 NIV
4.So don’t be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows. Matt 10:31 NIV
5.Serve only the Lord your God and fear him alone. Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him. Deuteronomy 13:4 NLT
6.I am leaving you with a gift—peace of mind and heart. And the peace I give is a gift the world cannot give. So don’t be troubled or afraid. John 14:27 NLT
7.This is my command—be strong and courageous! Do not be afraid or discouraged. For the Lord your God is with you wherever you go. Joshua 1:9 NLT
8.But even if you suffer for doing what is right, God will reward you for it. So don’t worry or be afraid of their threats. 1 Peter 3:14 NLT
9.One night the Lord spoke to Paul in a vision and told him, “Don’t be afraid! Speak out! Don’t be silent! Acts 18:9 NLT
10.Such love has no fear, because perfect love expels all fear. If we are afraid, it is for fear of punishment, and this shows that we have not fully experienced his perfect love. 1 John 4:18 NLT
11.When I am afraid, I put my trust in you. Psalm 56:3 NIV
12.In God, whose word I praise— in God I trust and am not afraid. What can mere mortals do to me? Psalm 56:4 NIV
13.He will cover you with his feathers. He will shelter you with his wings. His faithful promises are your armor and protection. Do not be afraid of the terrors of the night, nor the arrow that flies in the day. Do not dread the disease that stalks in darkness, nor the disaster that strikes at midday. Though a thousand fall at your side, though ten thousand are dying around you, these evils will not touch you. Psalm 91:4-8 NLT
14.They do not fear bad news; they confidently trust the Lord to care for them. Psalm 112:7 NLT
15.Do not tremble; do not be afraid. Did I not proclaim my purposes for you long ago? You are my witnesses—is there any other God? No! There is no other Rock—not one! Isaiah 44:8 NLT
16.I, am the one who comforts you. So why are you afraid of mere humans, who wither like the grass and disappear? Isaiah 51:12 NLT
17.Be not afraid of them [their faces], for I am with you to deliver you, says the Lord. Jeremiah 1:8 Amplified
18.But Jesus overheard them and said to Jairus, “Don’t be afraid. Just have faith.”Mark 5:36 NLT
19.They had rowed three or four miles when suddenly they saw Jesus walking on the water toward the boat. They were terrified, but he called out to them, “Don’t be afraid. I am here!” John 6:19-20 NLT
20.“Don’t be afraid,” Moses answered them, “for God has come in this way to test you, and so that your fear of him will keep you from sinning!” Exodus 20:20 NLT
21.You must always act in the fear of the Lord, with faithfulness and an undivided heart. 2 Chronicles 19:9 NLT
22.The Lord is a friend to those who fear him. He teaches them his covenant. Psalm 25:14 NLT
23.But the Lord watches over those who fear him, those who rely on his unfailing love. Psalm 33:18 NLT
24.I prayed to the Lord, and he answered me. He freed me from all my fears. Psalm 34:4 NLT
25.Fear the Lord, you his godly people, for those who fear him will have all they need. Psalm 34:9 NLT
26.The Lord is like a father to his children, tender and compassionate to those who fear him. Psalm 103:13 NLT
27.Fear of the Lord leads to life, bringing security and protection from harm. Proverbs 19:23 NLT
28.True humility and fear of the Lord lead to riches, honor, and long life. Proverbs 22:4 NLT
29.Fearing people is a dangerous trap, but trusting the Lord means safety. Proverbs 29:25 NLT
30.Charm is deceptive, and beauty does not last; but a woman who fears the Lord will be greatly praised. Proverbs 31:30 NLT
31.He will be your sure foundation, providing a rich store of salvation, wisdom, and knowledge. The fear of the Lord will be your treasure. Isaiah 33:6 NLT
32.Say to those with fearful hearts, “Be strong, and do not fear, for your God is coming to destroy your enemies. He is coming to save you.” Isaiah 35:4 NLT
33.Listen to me, you who know right from wrong you who cherish my law in your hearts. Do not be afraid of people’s scorn, nor fear their insults. Isaiah 51:7 NLT
34.Fear not; you will no longer live in shame. Don’t be afraid; there is no more disgrace for you. You will no longer remember the shame of your youth and the sorrows of widowhood. Isaiah 54:4 NLT
35.For the Lord your God is living among you. He is a mighty savior. He will take delight in you with gladness. With his love, he will calm all your fears.He will rejoice over you with joyful songs. Zephaniah 3:17 NLT
36.Don’t be afraid of those who want to kill your body; they cannot touch your soul. Fear only God, who can destroy both soul and body in hell. Matt 10:28 NLT
37.We have been rescued from our enemies so we can serve God without fear, in holiness and righteousness for as long as we live. Luke 1:74-75 NLT
38.And I am convinced that nothing can ever separate us from God’s love. Neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither our fears for today nor our worries about tomorrow—not even the powers of hell can separate us from God’s love. Romans 8:38 NLT
39.We faced conflict from every direction, with battles on the outside and fear on the inside. But God, who encourages those who are discouraged, encouraged us by the arrival of Titus. His presence was a joy. 2 Corinthians 7:5-6 NLT
40.Since we are receiving a Kingdom that is unshakable, let us be thankful and please God by worshiping him with holy fear and awe. Hebrews 12:28 NLT
41.Such love has no fear, because perfect love expels all fear. If we are afraid, it is for fear of punishment, and this shows that we have not fully experienced his perfect love. 1 John 4:18 NLT
42.“Fear God,” he shouted. “Give glory to him. For the time has come when he will sit as judge. Worship him who made the heavens, the earth, the sea, and all the springs of water.” Revelation 14:7 NLT
43.And from the throne came a voice that said, “Praise our God, all his servants, all who fear him, from the least to the greatest.” Revelation 19:5 NLT
44.Even though I walk through the darkest valley,I will fear no evil, for you are with me Psalm 23:4 NIV
45.Do not be afraid of anyone, for judgment belongs to God. Deuteronomy 1:17 NIV
46.Do not be afraid of them; the LORD your God himself will fight for you. Deuteronomy 3:22 NIV
47.The LORD is my light and my salvation— whom shall I fear? The LORD is the stronghold of my life— of whom shall I be afraid? Psalm 27:1 NIV
48.He said to his disciples, “Why are you so afraid? Do you still have no faith?” Mark 4:40 NIV
49.Jesus told him, “Don’t be afraid; just believe.” Mark 5:36 NIV
50.Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. Revelation 1:17 NIV
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1880593


Yes it is the biggest fear campaign in the history of earth...

You have two choices, accepth jesus christ as your lord and savior and spend eternity in heaven or be tortured in hell for eternity by satan and his demons...
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In all parables, notice that Jesus never uses any specific names.

However notice here, Jesus is using specific names, Lazarus and Abraham, giving evidence that this is not merely a parable.

Luke 16:19-31

19 “There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.

22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’

25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’

27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’

29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’

30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’

31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”
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Why is it when people die in the bible there is no mention of them ever going to heaven or meeting god?

Let me give you an example.
Take Noah for instance, he dies and thats it, you never hear from him again, theres no mention of him being in heaven or going to heaven, and Christ never mentions any of the people who have died as being in heaven with god either.

So what happens to us when we die?

When god limited our years and took immortality away, did he really mean for us to die, and never return go to heaven etc etc?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28167922

When you die you come across a series of gates or doorways and you need to have the correct keys or passwords if you will to enter into heaven. There are 3 of them. Can you guess what they are? If you get them wrong or don't have the keys than you get to go with the jewish freemason that
You are under and you will meet lucifer the devil and he will do with you want he pleases.
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So your jewish? What are the keys?
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In all parables, notice that Jesus never uses any specific names.

However notice here, Jesus is using specific names, Lazarus and Abraham, giving evidence that this is not merely a parable.

Luke 16:19-31

19 “There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.

22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’

25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’

27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’

29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’

30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’

31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28010201


Bro you have no idea what jesus said... It was written 30 years after christs crucifiction and them manipulated many times throughout history...
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Im trying to grasp as to why god would limit our years on earth, only to give us everlasting life later on, it doesnt make sense.
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Our years are limited because God gave us the opportunity to experience life. As you know, part of living is dying. For us to experience life, think of microbes in a puddle of water, and the water was spilled onto the ground. The edge of the water continues to move over the floor. The edge of the water contains microbes which experience this as the water moves. They are literally on the cutting edge between the water, and the floor.

Similarly, we as living beings, made in God's image, are experiencing life - not only that, we are at the cutting edge, which means we can make instant decisions or changes as we go. We have free choice to experience life how we want.

But we must not lose sense of who we are - if we get too used to too many 'things' we begin to think thats all there is, and our lifes become empty even though you may have a nice house or car.

So now, like a butterfly and a silk worm, the silk worm doesn't die and have their life cut short, instead they transcend, and in our case, we have the gift from the Father, by way of Jesus Christ.
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For those interested in serious reading vs. cute one-liners:

[link to www.leithvalley.org.nz]
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Do you believe in destiny or that god can see past present and future?
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In all parables, notice that Jesus never uses any specific names.

However notice here, Jesus is using specific names, Lazarus and Abraham, giving evidence that this is not merely a parable.

Luke 16:19-31

19 “There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.

22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’

25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’

27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’

29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’

30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’

31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28010201


Interesting, could you expand on that please.
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In all parables, notice that Jesus never uses any specific names.

However notice here, Jesus is using specific names, Lazarus and Abraham, giving evidence that this is not merely a parable.

Luke 16:19-31

19 “There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.

22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’

25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’

27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’

29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’

30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’

31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”
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Bro you have no idea what jesus said... It was written 30 years after christs crucifiction and them manipulated many times throughout history...
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Show me proof, I know the original greek words used. And show me proof, the original greek was manipulated.

I hear this so many times, that it was manipulated, but, they can never back up their claims with actual proof.
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Christians have yet to discover there is no death and one absolutely cannot die. The body wears out, but people make new ones and rebirth. Life is eternal, and there is no heaven. Only the veil here, because this is a prison world and the veil , now that the lucifer rebellion is over, is being fully lifted. Read some walter russell about your eternal life. Life is IN the spirit and cannot die. It can only change form. Other planets that are not prison wards under the viel know this stuff. There are special planets that are constructed that you must earn by your choices, but there is no heaven as religionists believe.
The actual Lord's Prayer Given by Jesus 2000 years ago.

"MY SPIRIT, YOU ARE OMNIPOTENT. YOUR NAME IS HOLY. MAY YOUR REALM BE INCARNATE IN ME. MAY YOUR POWER REVEAL ITSELF WITHIN ME, ON EARTH AND IN THE HEAVEN. GIVE ME TODAY MY DAILY BREAD, AND THUS, LET ME RECOGNIZE MY TRANSGRESSIONS AND ERRORS, AND I SHALL RECOGNIZE THE TRUTH. AND DO NOT LEAD ME INTO TEMPTATION AND CONFUSION, BUT DELIVER ME FROM ERROR. FOR YOURS IS THE REALM WITHIN ME AND THE POWER AND THE KNOWLEDGE FOREVER,
AMEN.

Nice video: [link to www.youtube.com] Make this World a Better One

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In all parables, notice that Jesus never uses any specific names.

However notice here, Jesus is using specific names, Lazarus and Abraham, giving evidence that this is not merely a parable.

Luke 16:19-31

19 “There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.

22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’

25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’

27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’

29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’

30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’

31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”
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Bro you have no idea what jesus said... It was written 30 years after christs crucifiction and them manipulated many times throughout history...
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manipulated many times throughout history huh...and what evidence do you have to support this claim? because youre only saying this becasue you want this to be true because of your own fear of hell because thats your problem with the bible...the doctrine of hell.

God promised to preserve his word for all of eternity so all will have the path to salvation

God promises to preserve His words. The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. (Psalms 12:6-7)
You shall not add or take away, says God. Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the statutes and unto the judgments, which I teach you, for to do them, that ye may live, and go in and possess the land which the LORD God of your fathers giveth you. Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.
(Deuteronomy 4:1-2)
God cares about every one of His words. Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. (Proverbs 30:5-6)
God's words will never pass away. Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. (Jesus Christ, Son of God) (Mark 13:31)
God will curse those who change His Word. For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. (Revelation 22:18-19)
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Christians have yet to discover there is no death and one absolutely cannot die. The body wears out, but people make new ones and rebirth. Life is eternal, and there is no heaven. Only the veil here, because this is a prison world and the veil , now that the lucifer rebellion is over, is being fully lifted. Read some walter russell about your eternal life. Life is IN the spirit and cannot die. It can only change form. Other planets that are not prison wards under the viel know this stuff. There are special planets that are constructed that you must earn by your choices, but there is no heaven as religionists believe.
The actual Lord's Prayer Given by Jesus 2000 years ago.

"MY SPIRIT, YOU ARE OMNIPOTENT. YOUR NAME IS HOLY. MAY YOUR REALM BE INCARNATE IN ME. MAY YOUR POWER REVEAL ITSELF WITHIN ME, ON EARTH AND IN THE HEAVEN. GIVE ME TODAY MY DAILY BREAD, AND THUS, LET ME RECOGNIZE MY TRANSGRESSIONS AND ERRORS, AND I SHALL RECOGNIZE THE TRUTH. AND DO NOT LEAD ME INTO TEMPTATION AND CONFUSION, BUT DELIVER ME FROM ERROR. FOR YOURS IS THE REALM WITHIN ME AND THE POWER AND THE KNOWLEDGE FOREVER,
AMEN.

Nice video: [link to www.youtube.com] Make this World a Better One

Thread: Walter Russell Quotes Walter Russell thread
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Opie, in poetic form:

ECCLESIASTES 12:6

"Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern."

Joshua the Son of Nun:

"And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him."

ZECHARIAH 3:1 KJV
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Moses was in the garden or so ive read..
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In all parables, notice that Jesus never uses any specific names.

However notice here, Jesus is using specific names, Lazarus and Abraham, giving evidence that this is not merely a parable.

Luke 16:19-31

19 “There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.

22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’

25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’

27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’

29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’

30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’

31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”
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Interesting, could you expand on that please.
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Let me touch upon another topic, that supports these scriptures.

And that's near death experiences.

So, are these experiences merely based on the person's beliefs and imaginations?

I say no, due to these cases.

There are NDE cases, in which the person will go to heaven, and sees the deceased.

Now, the person, will learn of information from these deceased that was previously unknown and impossible to know about.

But after returning to their bodies, this information is verified to be true down to the exact details.

For example a little girl was taken out of her body, and to heaven. Here she met a murdered boy, who was now in heaven. She learned a lot of information about this boy. After returning to her body, she shared this information with her family. Even her family didn't know about this, and then decided to research this information. And found, the little girl, was right and correct, down to the specific details about this murdered boy, she saw who was no residing in heaven.

This shows the NDE experience was not imagined.

With that said, in these NDE cases, I know of 4 specific cases like these.

All 4, in their NDE experiences, confirmed the existence of heaven, hell, and Jesus.

In addition 2 of these 4, saw the 4 living creatures, as described in no other religion, except Christianity, and specifically in the book of Ezekial.
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Opie, in poetic form:

ECCLESIASTES 12:6

"Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern."

Joshua the Son of Nun:

"And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him."

ZECHARIAH 3:1 KJV
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This event happened on earth though did it not?
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In all parables, notice that Jesus never uses any specific names.

However notice here, Jesus is using specific names, Lazarus and Abraham, giving evidence that this is not merely a parable.

Luke 16:19-31

19 “There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.

22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’

25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’

27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’

29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’

30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’

31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28010201


Bro you have no idea what jesus said... It was written 30 years after christs crucifiction and them manipulated many times throughout history...
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Show me proof, I know the original greek words used. And show me proof, the original greek was manipulated.

I hear this so many times, that it was manipulated, but, they can never back up their claims with actual proof.
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[link to www.columbia.edu]

[link to www.christian-history.org]

Show you proof? Proof is imaginary... Show me proof of god, Show me proof the John actually talked to god, Show me proof that this reality is real, Show me the cave there jesus resurected, show me heaven or hell, show me proof of consciousness...

Anything in that happened in the past is purely speculation in modern times. But when it says that constantine formed the catholic chruch to save his empire on a christian history website it raises some eyebrows to the validity of the biblical scripture...
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Christians have yet to discover there is no death and one absolutely cannot die. The body wears out, but people make new ones and rebirth. Life is eternal, and there is no heaven. Only the veil here, because this is a prison world and the veil , now that the lucifer rebellion is over, is being fully lifted. Read some walter russell about your eternal life. Life is IN the spirit and cannot die. It can only change form. Other planets that are not prison wards under the viel know this stuff. There are special planets that are constructed that you must earn by your choices, but there is no heaven as religionists believe.
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so you'll believe walter russell but not Jesus Christ? hmmm. tells me alot about yourself. and there is death it doesnt matter how you try to reason it. this body will die...deal with it, therefore death does exist Hebrews 9:27 "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment". however everyone will continue to live for eternity in heaven or hell so by YOUR definition there is no death correct. life is in soul which is the makeup of the breath of life (spirit) and body so youre wrong again.
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Christians have yet to discover there is no death and one absolutely cannot die. The body wears out, but people make new ones and rebirth. Life is eternal, and there is no heaven. Only the veil here, because this is a prison world and the veil , now that the lucifer rebellion is over, is being fully lifted. Read some walter russell about your eternal life. Life is IN the spirit and cannot die. It can only change form. Other planets that are not prison wards under the viel know this stuff. There are special planets that are constructed that you must earn by your choices, but there is no heaven as religionists believe.
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You better change your beliefs or your gonna burn in hell by gods arch nemesis....

Haha much love bro, your post gave me hope in GLP!
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Christians have yet to discover there is no death and one absolutely cannot die. The body wears out, but people make new ones and rebirth. Life is eternal, and there is no heaven. Only the veil here, because this is a prison world and the veil , now that the lucifer rebellion is over, is being fully lifted. Read some walter russell about your eternal life. Life is IN the spirit and cannot die. It can only change form. Other planets that are not prison wards under the viel know this stuff. There are special planets that are constructed that you must earn by your choices, but there is no heaven as religionists believe.
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so you'll believe walter russell but not Jesus Christ? hmmm. tells me alot about yourself. and there is death it doesnt matter how you try to reason it. this body will die...deal with it, therefore death does exist Hebrews 9:27 "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment". however everyone will continue to live for eternity in heaven or hell so by YOUR definition there is no death correct. life is in soul which is the makeup of the breath of life (spirit) and body so youre wrong again.
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If jesus christ talked to me then i would be a little more convinced of what he said than reading a book that has been used for control over the sheeple throughout history.
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In all parables, notice that Jesus never uses any specific names.

However notice here, Jesus is using specific names, Lazarus and Abraham, giving evidence that this is not merely a parable.

Luke 16:19-31

19 “There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.

22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’

25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’

27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’

29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’

30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’

31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28010201


Bro you have no idea what jesus said... It was written 30 years after christs crucifiction and them manipulated many times throughout history...
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Show me proof, I know the original greek words used. And show me proof, the original greek was manipulated.

I hear this so many times, that it was manipulated, but, they can never back up their claims with actual proof.
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[link to www.columbia.edu]

[link to www.christian-history.org]

Show you proof? Proof is imaginary... Show me proof of god, Show me proof the John actually talked to god, Show me proof that this reality is real, Show me the cave there jesus resurected, show me heaven or hell, show me proof of consciousness...

Anything in that happened in the past is purely speculation in modern times. But when it says that constantine formed the catholic chruch to save his empire on a christian history website it raises some eyebrows to the validity of the biblical scripture...
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Read my previous post about NDEs, and there's evidence for this, which of course I can elaborate upon if necessary.
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Christians have yet to discover there is no death and one absolutely cannot die. The body wears out, but people make new ones and rebirth. Life is eternal, and there is no heaven. Only the veil here, because this is a prison world and the veil , now that the lucifer rebellion is over, is being fully lifted. Read some walter russell about your eternal life. Life is IN the spirit and cannot die. It can only change form. Other planets that are not prison wards under the viel know this stuff. There are special planets that are constructed that you must earn by your choices, but there is no heaven as religionists believe.
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so you'll believe walter russell but not Jesus Christ? hmmm. tells me alot about yourself. and there is death it doesnt matter how you try to reason it. this body will die...deal with it, therefore death does exist Hebrews 9:27 "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment". however everyone will continue to live for eternity in heaven or hell so by YOUR definition there is no death correct. life is in soul which is the makeup of the breath of life (spirit) and body so youre wrong again.
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If jesus christ talked to me then i would be a little more convinced of what he said than reading a book that has been used for control over the sheeple throughout history.
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Bro you have no idea what jesus said... It was written 30 years after christs crucifiction and them manipulated many times throughout history...
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Show me proof, I know the original greek words used. And show me proof, the original greek was manipulated.

I hear this so many times, that it was manipulated, but, they can never back up their claims with actual proof.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28010201


[link to www.columbia.edu]

[link to www.christian-history.org]

Show you proof? Proof is imaginary... Show me proof of god, Show me proof the John actually talked to god, Show me proof that this reality is real, Show me the cave there jesus resurected, show me heaven or hell, show me proof of consciousness...

Anything in that happened in the past is purely speculation in modern times. But when it says that constantine formed the catholic chruch to save his empire on a christian history website it raises some eyebrows to the validity of the biblical scripture...
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Read my previous post about NDEs, and there's evidence for this, which of course I can elaborate upon if necessary.
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In an NDE you view the astral realm as you percieve heaven to be like, ive heard of plenty of accounts of people meeting krishna and buddha as well as christ but these are purely visions of what you believe is reality.
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In all parables, notice that Jesus never uses any specific names.

However notice here, Jesus is using specific names, Lazarus and Abraham, giving evidence that this is not merely a parable.

Luke 16:19-31

19 “There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.

22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’

25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’

27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’

29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’

30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’

31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”
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Interesting, could you expand on that please.
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Let me touch upon another topic, that supports these scriptures.

And that's near death experiences.

So, are these experiences merely based on the person's beliefs and imaginations?

I say no, due to these cases.

There are NDE cases, in which the person will go to heaven, and sees the deceased.

Now, the person, will learn of information from these deceased that was previously unknown and impossible to know about.

But after returning to their bodies, this information is verified to be true down to the exact details.

For example a little girl was taken out of her body, and to heaven. Here she met a murdered boy, who was now in heaven. She learned a lot of information about this boy. After returning to her body, she shared this information with her family. Even her family didn't know about this, and then decided to research this information. And found, the little girl, was right and correct, down to the specific details about this murdered boy, she saw who was no residing in heaven.

This shows the NDE experience was not imagined.

With that said, in these NDE cases, I know of 4 specific cases like these.

All 4, in their NDE experiences, confirmed the existence of heaven, hell, and Jesus.

In addition 2 of these 4, saw the 4 living creatures, as described in no other religion, except Christianity, and specifically in the book of Ezekial.
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Ok, but there are thousands of years of history in the bible, with countless stories, prophesies etc, but not one of them ever mentions anyone from heaven that has also been on earth?
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Christians have yet to discover there is no death and one absolutely cannot die. The body wears out, but people make new ones and rebirth. Life is eternal, and there is no heaven. Only the veil here, because this is a prison world and the veil , now that the lucifer rebellion is over, is being fully lifted. Read some walter russell about your eternal life. Life is IN the spirit and cannot die. It can only change form. Other planets that are not prison wards under the viel know this stuff. There are special planets that are constructed that you must earn by your choices, but there is no heaven as religionists believe.
 Quoting: God Loves ALL


so you'll believe walter russell but not Jesus Christ? hmmm. tells me alot about yourself. and there is death it doesnt matter how you try to reason it. this body will die...deal with it, therefore death does exist Hebrews 9:27 "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment". however everyone will continue to live for eternity in heaven or hell so by YOUR definition there is no death correct. life is in soul which is the makeup of the breath of life (spirit) and body so youre wrong again.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1880593


How can life be infinate if your soul was created? The answer is it cannot... therefore you are a part of the god source and have always and will always exist.

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