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A question about Heaven, and Death for the Christians out there

 
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In an NDE you view the astral realm as you percieve heaven to be like, ive heard of plenty of accounts of people meeting krishna and buddha as well as christ but these are purely visions of what you believe is reality.
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This is absolutely false, due to veridical information.

This is information that was previously unknown, but later proved and verified to be true.

Meaning, the experience and 'visions' is not a product of what you believe is reality.
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So because something told in an NDE came to be true it has to be real? If we have a collective consciousness than why couldnt that information be transfered into your consciousness during an NDE?
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Let me elaborate, on their experiences. This isn't merely like a remote viewer, or even an intuitive picking up on information, or information being transferred to your conscious.

There's NDE cases, in which the person will actually see the deceased in a heavenly location. Not only see them, but interact with them. Talk to them, and learn a lot from them and about them, while they were on this Earth.

The information was then verified to be true, after the experience.

That right there, tells you that this isn't merely based on the person's beliefs and expectations.

And even if the person is tapping into a collective conscious to discover and see this, this still proves your assumption is false:

but these are purely visions of what you believe is reality.
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That right there tells me nothing besides some dead guy in the astral realm made contact with an NDEer and told him stuff about the life he lived...
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In all honesty, I was hoping for a christian answer to the question.
Do we go to heaven, or does it all just end when we die?
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Scripture actually says very little about "going to heaven when you die." It has a whole lot to say about resurrection. This is so counter-intuitive to common belief that it is difficult to describe in much detail in a venue like this one.

In summary: (1) we all die; (2) we are (somehow) preserved - ideas differ about that; (3) we are all resurrected.

For those interested, I'll repost this link to a fairly lengthy lecture on the subject by one of the foremost New Testament scholars.

[link to www.leithvalley.org.nz]
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Thankyou.

Its the fact that there is so little in the scripture, and so little about what happens to us after we die that led me to question whether we really go to heaven or not.
Is heaven just a club reserved for god, angels etc?
Which is why we never hear mention of anyone in heaven like say Abraham, because we dont actually go there, and that god gave us finite lives because we will never be worthy of immortality.
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If you have so many answers, why did you ask a question?
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I asked the question because I wanted to know if others had come across the same conclusions as I had or if they had a different thought on the matter.
Besides, if we never ask, we never know do we.
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This is absolutely false, due to veridical information.

This is information that was previously unknown, but later proved and verified to be true.

Meaning, the experience and 'visions' is not a product of what you believe is reality.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28010201


So because something told in an NDE came to be true it has to be real? If we have a collective consciousness than why couldnt that information be transfered into your consciousness during an NDE?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28102897


Let me elaborate, on their experiences. This isn't merely like a remote viewer, or even an intuitive picking up on information, or information being transferred to your conscious.

There's NDE cases, in which the person will actually see the deceased in a heavenly location. Not only see them, but interact with them. Talk to them, and learn a lot from them and about them, while they were on this Earth.

The information was then verified to be true, after the experience.

That right there, tells you that this isn't merely based on the person's beliefs and expectations.

And even if the person is tapping into a collective conscious to discover and see this, this still proves your assumption is false:

but these are purely visions of what you believe is reality.
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That right there tells me nothing besides some dead guy in the astral realm made contact with an NDEer and told him stuff about the life he lived...
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lol, but you said

but these are purely visions of what you believe is reality.

Which is false
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Im trying to grasp as to why god would limit our years on earth, only to give us everlasting life later on, it doesnt make sense.
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Because if the days were not shortened there would be no flesh left. Pretty clear to see mankind is a dangerous failure left to themselves no matter what you believe.
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So because something told in an NDE came to be true it has to be real? If we have a collective consciousness than why couldnt that information be transfered into your consciousness during an NDE?
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Let me elaborate, on their experiences. This isn't merely like a remote viewer, or even an intuitive picking up on information, or information being transferred to your conscious.

There's NDE cases, in which the person will actually see the deceased in a heavenly location. Not only see them, but interact with them. Talk to them, and learn a lot from them and about them, while they were on this Earth.

The information was then verified to be true, after the experience.

That right there, tells you that this isn't merely based on the person's beliefs and expectations.

And even if the person is tapping into a collective conscious to discover and see this, this still proves your assumption is false:

but these are purely visions of what you believe is reality.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28010201


That right there tells me nothing besides some dead guy in the astral realm made contact with an NDEer and told him stuff about the life he lived...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28102897


lol, but you said

but these are purely visions of what you believe is reality.

Which is false

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The astral realm is a vision, you control that reality.
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Im trying to grasp as to why god would limit our years on earth, only to give us everlasting life later on, it doesnt make sense.
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God didn't, Sin did when we let it enter.
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Im trying to grasp as to why god would limit our years on earth, only to give us everlasting life later on, it doesnt make sense.
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Because if the days were not shortened there would be no flesh left. Pretty clear to see mankind is a dangerous failure left to themselves no matter what you believe.
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That I would agree, we are so intent on destroying each other it makes me wonder how we have actually managed to make it this far in the first place.
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so you'll believe walter russell but not Jesus Christ? hmmm. tells me alot about yourself. and there is death it doesnt matter how you try to reason it. this body will die...deal with it, therefore death does exist Hebrews 9:27 "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment". however everyone will continue to live for eternity in heaven or hell so by YOUR definition there is no death correct. life is in soul which is the makeup of the breath of life (spirit) and body so youre wrong again.
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If jesus christ talked to me then i would be a little more convinced of what he said than reading a book that has been used for control over the sheeple throughout history.
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several things wrong with this post. first, how can ANY of Jesus' words be used for control? he taught to be completely separated from THIS world. second, how are you (an unbeliever) any more free than a believer? youre still doing the exact same thing living in this society. and control? really? you think control of people on this earth is the endgame? for what reason when the supposed controllers are going to die one day just like those theyre controlling? what does this accomplish if the goal is simply control? the answer is the endgame isnt control, its for satan to drag your soul and as many as he can to hell because he hates God and we are his most prized creation and satan cant do anything to God but he can hurt God by tempting us into hell. God grieves every time a soul is lost to hell.
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It is used for control because if you stray from the holy book you will go to hell.... Therefore anything in the holy book good or bad is considered the will of god...

If christianity were really the way to find god why would the elite let it stay around? Why would the black pope run the world alongside the queen?

If he grieves everytime a soul goes to hell why doesnt he save the soul instead of offering the soul a vauge book? Why did he have to incarnate as a human in order to open the pathway to heaven? Why cant he banish satan to another universe? The bible is full of contradictions my friend, open your eyes.
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"it is used for control because if you stray from the holy book you will go to hell"
and that is, loving your neighbor, love one another, separating yourself from the world, walking in spirit and in truth, being born again, believing on Christ to atone for your sins, not murdering, not making any idols...how does any of this lead to control on this earth for the "elite"? it doesnt, there i answered it for you

"if christianity were reallythe way to find god why would the elite let it stay around?"
you give these so called "elite" godlike status since you think they control everything. God the real God is in control and preserved his word. God made sure it stayed around.Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. (Jesus Christ, Son of God) (Mark 13:31)

"If he grieves everytime a soul goes to hell why doesnt he save the soul instead of offering the soul a vauge book?"
Romans 10:9 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."
how is that vague?
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There is a verse in the gospels where Jesus is talking with these men that died, and a couple of his apostles were with him. That verse seems to suggest that their souls went somewhere since he had to have brought their spurits from someplace. And think one of the men he was talking to was Elijah. And the verse where Elijah was brought to heaven, though dont think he died before that.
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Why is it when people die in the bible there is no mention of them ever going to heaven or meeting god?

Let me give you an example.
Take Noah for instance, he dies and thats it, you never hear from him again, theres no mention of him being in heaven or going to heaven, and Christ never mentions any of the people who have died as being in heaven with god either.

So what happens to us when we die?

When god limited our years and took immortality away, did he really mean for us to die, and never return go to heaven etc etc?
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When you die you come across a series of gates or doorways and you need to have the correct keys or passwords if you will to enter into heaven. There are 3 of them. Can you guess what they are? If you get them wrong or don't have the keys than you get to go with the jewish freemason that
You are under and you will meet lucifer the devil and he will do with you want he pleases.
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Fair enough, but what has happened to the people like Noah, or Adam, Jacob, etc, when they died?

Why do we never hear of say Adam, Noah, Moses when they die, I mean even when Jesus comes down he never mentions Adam or anyone that has come before him as being in heaven.
So when we die is there a heaven at all?

Or does everything just end when we die?
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Noah bowed down to the lord so he is in he'll. Moses is in he'll as he is a jewish freemason. Adam is in hell because he is jewish freemason. Yes there is a heaven and you need the passwords to get in. Have you guessed them yet? All there is is heaven in hell. Jesus didn't come down. He was born of jewish freemasons who got iniated by st john the baptist. Now this jesus is in hell.
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OP, we know what happened to humble Lazarus.

Luke 16:21-25
Desiring to be filled with the crumbs that fell from the rich man's table, and no one did give him; moreover the dogs came, and licked his sores. [Luke 16:21] [Latin] [22] And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom. And the rich man also died: and he was buried in hell. [23] And lifting up his eyes when he was in torments, he saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom: [24] And he cried, and said: Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, to cool my tongue: for I am tormented in this flame. [25] And Abraham said to him: Son, remember that thou didst receive good things in thy lifetime, and likewise Lazareth evil things, but now he is comforted; and thou art tormented.

[22] Abraham's bosom: The place of rest, where the souls of the saints resided, till Christ had opened heaven by his death.

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Why is it when people die in the bible there is no mention of them ever going to heaven or meeting god?

Let me give you an example.
Take Noah for instance, he dies and thats it, you never hear from him again, theres no mention of him being in heaven or going to heaven, and Christ never mentions any of the people who have died as being in heaven with god either.

So what happens to us when we die?

When god limited our years and took immortality away, did he really mean for us to die, and never return go to heaven etc etc?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28167922

When you die you come across a series of gates or doorways and you need to have the correct keys or passwords if you will to enter into heaven. There are 3 of them. Can you guess what they are? If you get them wrong or don't have the keys than you get to go with the jewish freemason that
You are under and you will meet lucifer the devil and he will do with you want he pleases.
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Fair enough, but what has happened to the people like Noah, or Adam, Jacob, etc, when they died?

Why do we never hear of say Adam, Noah, Moses when they die, I mean even when Jesus comes down he never mentions Adam or anyone that has come before him as being in heaven.
So when we die is there a heaven at all?

Or does everything just end when we die?
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Noah bowed down to the lord so he is in he'll. Moses is in he'll as he is a jewish freemason. Adam is in hell because he is jewish freemason. Yes there is a heaven and you need the passwords to get in. Have you guessed them yet? All there is is heaven in hell. Jesus didn't come down. He was born of jewish freemasons who got iniated by st john the baptist. Now this jesus is in hell.
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please tell me youre just an unbeliever that is mocking the bible...that would be so much more believable and understandable than the nonsense you just spewed
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Let me elaborate, on their experiences. This isn't merely like a remote viewer, or even an intuitive picking up on information, or information being transferred to your conscious.

There's NDE cases, in which the person will actually see the deceased in a heavenly location. Not only see them, but interact with them. Talk to them, and learn a lot from them and about them, while they were on this Earth.

The information was then verified to be true, after the experience.

That right there, tells you that this isn't merely based on the person's beliefs and expectations.

And even if the person is tapping into a collective conscious to discover and see this, this still proves your assumption is false:

but these are purely visions of what you believe is reality.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28010201


That right there tells me nothing besides some dead guy in the astral realm made contact with an NDEer and told him stuff about the life he lived...
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lol, but you said

but these are purely visions of what you believe is reality.

Which is false

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The astral realm is a vision, you control that reality.
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I know about this realm. I use to astral project, and even taught another the method. He was able to do this on his first try.

So if you control this reality, how did a person 'control' / create a deceased being in their mind, and this deceased person than sharing information that was impossible for them to know about?
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If jesus christ talked to me then i would be a little more convinced of what he said than reading a book that has been used for control over the sheeple throughout history.
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several things wrong with this post. first, how can ANY of Jesus' words be used for control? he taught to be completely separated from THIS world. second, how are you (an unbeliever) any more free than a believer? youre still doing the exact same thing living in this society. and control? really? you think control of people on this earth is the endgame? for what reason when the supposed controllers are going to die one day just like those theyre controlling? what does this accomplish if the goal is simply control? the answer is the endgame isnt control, its for satan to drag your soul and as many as he can to hell because he hates God and we are his most prized creation and satan cant do anything to God but he can hurt God by tempting us into hell. God grieves every time a soul is lost to hell.
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It is used for control because if you stray from the holy book you will go to hell.... Therefore anything in the holy book good or bad is considered the will of god...

If christianity were really the way to find god why would the elite let it stay around? Why would the black pope run the world alongside the queen?

If he grieves everytime a soul goes to hell why doesnt he save the soul instead of offering the soul a vauge book? Why did he have to incarnate as a human in order to open the pathway to heaven? Why cant he banish satan to another universe? The bible is full of contradictions my friend, open your eyes.
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"it is used for control because if you stray from the holy book you will go to hell"
and that is, loving your neighbor, love one another, separating yourself from the world, walking in spirit and in truth, being born again, believing on Christ to atone for your sins, not murdering, not making any idols...how does any of this lead to control on this earth for the "elite"? it doesnt, there i answered it for you

"if christianity were reallythe way to find god why would the elite let it stay around?"
you give these so called "elite" godlike status since you think they control everything. God the real God is in control and preserved his word. God made sure it stayed around.Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. (Jesus Christ, Son of God) (Mark 13:31)

"If he grieves everytime a soul goes to hell why doesnt he save the soul instead of offering the soul a vauge book?"
Romans 10:9 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."
how is that vague?
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There are plenty of biblical verses about murder, sacrifice, rape, slavery and other evil things commanded by god... So your first point is flaud.

If these elite families actually do work with satan why couldnt they get rid of the bible? Why would an evil emperor like constantine advocate the christian bible? So the best god could do was incarnate in a human form and have people write about him 30 years after he resurected?

Sorry i guess you can take out the word vauge in my previous post and then answer that question...
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Im trying to grasp as to why god would limit our years on earth, only to give us everlasting life later on, it doesnt make sense.
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So like, you honestly have absolutely no idea whatsoever about what the Bible is all about?

You have no idea about any of it at all?
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OP would do better to never open a bible. It will leave his mind free to think. I would suggest Walter Russell and other good sources. The soul is eternal unless one rejects eternal life and then it is uncreated. Its that simple. When you come into being, you are already eternal, that is the nature of MIND/Spirit Life is in the spirit, your life is not your body.
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Well in actuality it was the bible that led me to the whole question of what happens to us after we die.
There is no mention of it that I came across and no mention of anyone other then Christ ever going to heaven.
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your life is eternal. Heaven is within YOU which Jesus taught. This heaven stuff is all bs. completely. This is a world behind the veil, it was cut off from cosmic communications because of the Lucifer Rebellion. That is over, the communications circuits are being re established and truth is coming in.

Death and rebirth occur in all of nature, from suns to people. its just a cycle, but the spirit is always in life and never dies. You are already an eternal being and you move forward to greater experiences as your grow your mind and wisdom. As a prison ward, this planet has intense reincarnation, because the Prince of this world who went with Lucifer would not allow souls to leave it and Lucifer himself could not create either angels or new souls, so this place was stagnant.

Christ came and deposed the Prince, and removed Lucifer and slowly we will get back to normal here. The veils are being drawn back and you shall begin as I said to have truth.

You cannot die, only your body recycles. And life as to body temples will grow longer on this world as people begin to want that. This place is so miserable that people do not strive for long lives, and that is the main reason they are short. You will incarnate on more advanced worlds are you are ready for them, and this world is being moved upward into LIGHT also. The prison is closed, and there is no place to go but forward for those seeking to move forward. Those stuck will have to move to other stuck worlds, or worlds which represent where they are.

There are special worlds beyond these evolutionary worlds, and it is customary to go to what are called the mansions worlds, which are school worlds, when one reaches 5d consciousness, which is the KNOWING that God resides within them, that are are Sons of God. When one has reached that level upon death of the body, one is taken to the mansion worlds and awaken on the 3rd day after passing this world, in a brand new body. You do not reproduce on those worlds. They are study worlds to learn more about the nature of everything.

There are many worlds beyond the mansion worlds, also custom built and plenty of evolutionary worlds in light and life upon which to learn and experience. Eternal life is for trillions of years, and you do not ever stay in one place, which would produce stagnation. But on flowering worlds, life is MUCH longer and richer than here.

Always you will grow, always you will learn from those who have gone before you and always will you teach those below you. There is no end and as you mature you go into management if that is your choice of worlds. You will change careers often.

Have you seen pics of the massive craft around the sun? I have one on my old computer that I have not put of this one to upload here. These craft are from the Management worlds of the Superuniverse (Milkly Way is core galaxy of our superuniverse, Orvonton). They control SUNS and work on our sun during this time of great change we are in because we are in 3 sets of cosmic energies right now. This is but one example of where you will go at some point, you might well work on craft that modify the behavior of suns. Just an example of what is done during eternal life. When you have gone thru all the school/living worlds you will eventually reach Havona, which is the Central Universe, the first universe and from all creational energies come, well they come from Paradise the center), and you learn even more there, there are 1 BILLION worlds in Havona to live and study on. When you finish with those worlds, you will stand on Paradise which becomes your final home, and you will sit at the right hand of the Father. That teaching was lost on this world.

I have taken that long journey. I am from Paradise and I sit at the right hand of the father, as you to shall do in time. I know of what I speak. I am very old, but yet young compared to the others way beyond me in time.

Enjoy the journey, for now that this prison is closing, what is open to those who have eternal life is magnificent. This is a time of judgement, and some are going to reject eternity. And some will merge if ready with the MInd of the Father within them, which writes them into the book of life, as once this happens, one is no longer a faith son of god, but an actual son of God.

And if you are asking these questions I see here, I think you are well on that journey. God Bless.

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The actual Lord's Prayer Given by Jesus 2000 years ago.

"MY SPIRIT, YOU ARE OMNIPOTENT. YOUR NAME IS HOLY. MAY YOUR REALM BE INCARNATE IN ME. MAY YOUR POWER REVEAL ITSELF WITHIN ME, ON EARTH AND IN THE HEAVEN. GIVE ME TODAY MY DAILY BREAD, AND THUS, LET ME RECOGNIZE MY TRANSGRESSIONS AND ERRORS, AND I SHALL RECOGNIZE THE TRUTH. AND DO NOT LEAD ME INTO TEMPTATION AND CONFUSION, BUT DELIVER ME FROM ERROR. FOR YOURS IS THE REALM WITHIN ME AND THE POWER AND THE KNOWLEDGE FOREVER,
AMEN.

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That right there tells me nothing besides some dead guy in the astral realm made contact with an NDEer and told him stuff about the life he lived...
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lol, but you said

but these are purely visions of what you believe is reality.

Which is false

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The astral realm is a vision, you control that reality.
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I know about this realm. I use to astral project, and even taught another the method. He was able to do this on his first try.

So if you control this reality, how did a person 'control' / create a deceased being in their mind, and this deceased person than sharing information that was impossible for them to know about?
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He didnt have to create the being for it to appear, There are alot of diceased humans in the astral realm. I astral project as well.
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Why is it when people die in the bible there is no mention of them ever going to heaven or meeting god?

Let me give you an example.
Take Noah for instance, he dies and thats it, you never hear from him again, theres no mention of him being in heaven or going to heaven, and Christ never mentions any of the people who have died as being in heaven with god either.

So what happens to us when we die?

When god limited our years and took immortality away, did he really mean for us to die, and never return go to heaven etc etc?
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I;m a medium and this is what I recommend,

The bible is a lie end of looking for answers there.

So what happens to us when we die?

You go to the tunnel of light and are drawn up the shaft of light at great speed, then you see you loved ones and jesus beconing you forward with great love, then you glance back at you life review, showing you life lessons that you learnt,

A great book for you all your answers in there...

Getting to Heaven on a Harley

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lol, but you said

but these are purely visions of what you believe is reality.

Which is false

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The astral realm is a vision, you control that reality.
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I know about this realm. I use to astral project, and even taught another the method. He was able to do this on his first try.

So if you control this reality, how did a person 'control' / create a deceased being in their mind, and this deceased person than sharing information that was impossible for them to know about?
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He didnt have to create the being for it to appear, There are alot of diceased humans in the astral realm. I astral project as well.
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Okay so you're now contradicting yourself, and proving your very own assumption is false

but these are purely visions of what you believe is reality.
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So like, you honestly have absolutely no idea whatsoever about what the Bible is all about?

You have no idea about any of it at all?
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OP would do better to never open a bible. It will leave his mind free to think. I would suggest Walter Russell and other good sources. The soul is eternal unless one rejects eternal life and then it is uncreated. Its that simple. When you come into being, you are already eternal, that is the nature of MIND/Spirit Life is in the spirit, your life is not your body.
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Well in actuality it was the bible that led me to the whole question of what happens to us after we die.
There is no mention of it that I came across and no mention of anyone other then Christ ever going to heaven.
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your life is eternal. Heaven is within YOU which Jesus taught. This heaven stuff is all bs. completely. This is a world behind the veil, it was cut off from cosmic communications because of the Lucifer Rebellion. That is over, the communications circuits are being re established and truth is coming in.

Death and rebirth occur in all of nature, from suns to people. its just a cycle, but the spirit is always in life and never dies. You are already an eternal being and you move forward to greater experiences as your grow your mind and wisdom. As a prison ward, this planet has intense reincarnation, because the Prince of this world who went with Lucifer would not allow souls to leave it and Lucifer himself could not create either angels or new souls, so this place was stagnant.

Christ came and deposed the Prince, and removed Lucifer and slowly we will get back to normal here. The veils are being drawn back and you shall begin as I said to have truth.

You cannot die, only your body recycles. And life as to body temples will grow longer on this world as people begin to want that. This place is so miserable that people do not strive for long lives, and that is the main reason they are short. You will incarnate on more advanced worlds are you are ready for them, and this world is being moved upward into LIGHT also. The prison is closed, and there is no place to go but forward for those seeking to move forward. Those stuck will have to move to other stuck worlds, or worlds which represent where they are.

There are special worlds beyond these evolutionary worlds, and it is customary to go to what are called the mansions worlds, which are school worlds, when one reaches 5d consciousness, which is the KNOWING that God resides within them, that are are Sons of God. When one has reached that level upon death of the body, one is taken to the mansion worlds and awaken on the 3rd day after passing this world, in a brand new body. You do not reproduce on those worlds. They are study worlds to learn more about the nature of everything.

There are many worlds beyond the mansion worlds, also custom built and plenty of evolutionary worlds in light and life upon which to learn and experience. Eternal life is for trillions of years, and you do not ever stay in one place, which would produce stagnation. But on flowering worlds, life is MUCH longer and richer than here.

Always you will grow, always you will learn from those who have gone before you and always will you teach those below you. There is no end and as you mature you go into management if that is your choice of worlds. You will change careers often.

Have you seen pics of the massive craft around the sun? I have one on my old computer that I have not put of this one to upload here. These craft are from the Management worlds of the Superuniverse (Milkly Way is core galaxy of our superuniverse, Orvonton). They control SUNS and work on our sun during this time of great change we are in because we are in 3 sets of cosmic energies right now. This is but one example of where you will go at some point, you might well work on craft that modify the behavior of suns. Just an example of what is done during eternal life. When you have gone thru all the school/living worlds you will eventually reach Havona, which is the Central Universe, the first universe and from all creational energies come, well they come from Paradise the center), and you learn even more there, there are 1 BILLION worlds in Havona to live and study on. When you finish with those worlds, you will stand on Paradise which becomes your final home, and you will sit at the right hand of the Father. That teaching was lost on this world.

I have taken that long journey. I am from Paradise and I sit at the right hand of the father, as you to shall do in time. I know of what I speak. I am very old, but yet young compared to the others way beyond me in time.

Enjoy the journey, for now that this prison is closing, what is open to those who have eternal life is magnificent. This is a time of judgement, and some are going to reject eternity. And some will merge if ready with the MInd of the Father within them, which writes them into the book of life, as once this happens, one is no longer a faith son of god, but an actual son of God.

And if you are asking these questions I see here, I think you are well on that journey. God Bless.
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Wow your outlook on life is beautiful! Can you start a thread for discussions of things you believe in please?!

Call it the thread of truth! haha
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OP, we know what happened to humble Lazarus.

Luke 16:21-25
Desiring to be filled with the crumbs that fell from the rich man's table, and no one did give him; moreover the dogs came, and licked his sores. [Luke 16:21] [Latin] [22] And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom. And the rich man also died: and he was buried in hell. [23] And lifting up his eyes when he was in torments, he saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom: [24] And he cried, and said: Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, to cool my tongue: for I am tormented in this flame. [25] And Abraham said to him: Son, remember that thou didst receive good things in thy lifetime, and likewise Lazareth evil things, but now he is comforted; and thou art tormented.

[22] Abraham's bosom: The place of rest, where the souls of the saints resided, till Christ had opened heaven by his death.

[link to www.drbo.org]
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OP,

We know what happened to Mary, pretty obvious though, via oral tradition, the words of the apostles passed down AND in Scripture. Mary is the Ark of the New Covenant. John speaks of Mary in the last verse of Revelation 11...to introduce her, the first very royal sounding verse because Mary is the Queen of Heaven, Mary is described in Revelation Chapter 12:1.

In the Bible, the mother of the King is Queen.

Revelation 11:17
And the temple of God was opened in heaven: and the ark of his testament was seen in his temple, and there were lightnings, and voices, and an earthquake, and great hail
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The astral realm is a vision, you control that reality.
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I know about this realm. I use to astral project, and even taught another the method. He was able to do this on his first try.

So if you control this reality, how did a person 'control' / create a deceased being in their mind, and this deceased person than sharing information that was impossible for them to know about?
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He didnt have to create the being for it to appear, There are alot of diceased humans in the astral realm. I astral project as well.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28102897


Okay so you're now contradicting yourself, and proving your very own assumption is false

but these are purely visions of what you believe is reality.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28010201


Obviously you have never been to tcant understand what i am saying.

You create your reality and in the case of an NDE your subconscious creates it. There may be being sharing your space in this realm and some may have come there so that they can relay a message to you.
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In all honesty, I was hoping for a christian answer to the question.
Do we go to heaven, or does it all just end when we die?
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Scripture actually says very little about "going to heaven when you die." It has a whole lot to say about resurrection. This is so counter-intuitive to common belief that it is difficult to describe in much detail in a venue like this one.

In summary: (1) we all die; (2) we are (somehow) preserved - ideas differ about that; (3) we are all resurrected.

For those interested, I'll repost this link to a fairly lengthy lecture on the subject by one of the foremost New Testament scholars.

[link to www.leithvalley.org.nz]
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Thankyou.

Its the fact that there is so little in the scripture, and so little about what happens to us after we die that led me to question whether we really go to heaven or not.
Is heaven just a club reserved for god, angels etc?
Which is why we never hear mention of anyone in heaven like say Abraham, because we dont actually go there, and that god gave us finite lives because we will never be worthy of immortality.
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I didn't see your UK nationality at first. The lecture I referenced is from N. T. Wright, who served for awhile as CoE Bishop of Durham.
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That was a very interesting read, thankyou.
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Why is it when people die in the bible there is no mention of them ever going to heaven or meeting god?

Let me give you an example.
Take Noah for instance, he dies and thats it, you never hear from him again, theres no mention of him being in heaven or going to heaven, and Christ never mentions any of the people who have died as being in heaven with god either.

So what happens to us when we die?

When god limited our years and took immortality away, did he really mean for us to die, and never return go to heaven etc etc?
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I;m a medium and this is what I recommend,

The bible is a lie end of looking for answers there.

So what happens to us when we die?

You go to the tunnel of light and are drawn up the shaft of light at great speed, then you see you loved ones and jesus beconing you forward with great love, then you glance back at you life review, showing you life lessons that you learnt,

A great book for you all your answers in there...

Getting to Heaven on a Harley

[link to www.radicalforgiveness.com]

[link to www.youtube.com]
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so the bible is a lie but the Jesus part isnt. cherry pick much? youre just making stuff up of what your flesh desires to be true and you reject the truth
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Christians have yet to discover there is no death and one absolutely cannot die. The body wears out, but people make new ones and rebirth. Life is eternal, and there is no heaven. Only the veil here, because this is a prison world and the veil , now that the lucifer rebellion is over, is being fully lifted. Read some walter russell about your eternal life. Life is IN the spirit and cannot die. It can only change form. Other planets that are not prison wards under the viel know this stuff. There are special planets that are constructed that you must earn by your choices, but there is no heaven as religionists believe.
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U r floodin many threads with all these luciferian bs

Im trying to grasp as to why god would limit our years on earth, only to give us everlasting life later on, it doesnt make sense.
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So like, you honestly have absolutely no idea whatsoever about what the Bible is all about?

You have no idea about any of it at all?
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OP would do better to never open a bible. It will leave his mind free to think . I would suggest Walter Russell and other good sources. The soul is eternal unless one rejects eternal life and then it is uncreated. Its that simple. When you come into being, you are already eternal, that is the nature of MIND/Spirit Life is in the spirit, your life is not your body.
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promoting ignorance now?
applause
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Why is it when people die in the bible there is no mention of them ever going to heaven or meeting god?

Let me give you an example.
Take Noah for instance, he dies and thats it, you never hear from him again, theres no mention of him being in heaven or going to heaven, and Christ never mentions any of the people who have died as being in heaven with god either.

So what happens to us when we die?

When god limited our years and took immortality away, did he really mean for us to die, and never return go to heaven etc etc?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28167922

I;m a medium and this is what I recommend,

The bible is a lie end of looking for answers there.

So what happens to us when we die?

You go to the tunnel of light and are drawn up the shaft of light at great speed, then you see you loved ones and jesus beconing you forward with great love, then you glance back at you life review, showing you life lessons that you learnt,

A great book for you all your answers in there...

Getting to Heaven on a Harley

[link to www.radicalforgiveness.com]

[link to www.youtube.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2178540


Also a great man Dr Brian WEISS,

[link to www.brianweiss.com]

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Jim was unwillingly drafted into the Vietnam War. Later he recalls a past life as a nineteenth-century soldier scalped by Indians. His reluctance to fight and kill was a reminder of his own past role as a victim of war. Carole is awakened by the phone. The voice on the other end, asking about the family business and the welfare of his loved ones, belongs to her father, who had died earlier that week.

These stories express a profound yet simple truth. And perhaps no one better than Brian Weiss--a medical graduate of Yale, the former head of psychiatry at a major medical center, and today the leading expert on reincarnation--can share that truth with the world. It is the message imparted by the Masters, the super-evolved, nonphysical souls who have always been with us and are with us now.

In this book you will hear people giving intimate and startling testimony to the miraculous potential of love. You will explore what happens after we die, strategies for fighting anxiety and healing relationships, the role of God and self-determination. You will explore exercises and meditations to harness the power of love and utterly transform your life.



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I know about this realm. I use to astral project, and even taught another the method. He was able to do this on his first try.

So if you control this reality, how did a person 'control' / create a deceased being in their mind, and this deceased person than sharing information that was impossible for them to know about?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28010201


He didnt have to create the being for it to appear, There are alot of diceased humans in the astral realm. I astral project as well.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28102897


Okay so you're now contradicting yourself, and proving your very own assumption is false

but these are purely visions of what you believe is reality.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28010201


Obviously you have never been to tcant understand what i am saying.

You create your reality and in the case of an NDE your subconscious creates it. There may be being sharing your space in this realm and some may have come there so that they can relay a message to you.
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lol so you believe someone can imagine something, or it being created from the subconscious, but a real entity, can also sometimes share this created reality.

Going on your assumption, let me now state again, that these NDEs do indeed give evidence to an afterlife (e.g. heaven and hell).

Which you originally stated, there's no evidence for this.
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He didnt have to create the being for it to appear, There are alot of diceased humans in the astral realm. I astral project as well.
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Okay so you're now contradicting yourself, and proving your very own assumption is false

but these are purely visions of what you believe is reality.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28010201


Obviously you have never been to tcant understand what i am saying.

You create your reality and in the case of an NDE your subconscious creates it. There may be being sharing your space in this realm and some may have come there so that they can relay a message to you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28102897


lol so you believe someone can imagine something, or it being created from the subconscious, but a real entity, can also sometimes share this created reality.

Going on your assumption, let me now state again, that these NDEs do indeed give evidence to an afterlife (e.g. heaven and hell).

Which you originally stated, there's no evidence for this.
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What evidence of heaven or hell is there? They saw these locations? That isnt evidence...
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Christians have yet to discover there is no death and one absolutely cannot die. The body wears out, but people make new ones and rebirth. Life is eternal, and there is no heaven. Only the veil here, because this is a prison world and the veil , now that the lucifer rebellion is over, is being fully lifted. Read some walter russell about your eternal life. Life is IN the spirit and cannot die. It can only change form. Other planets that are not prison wards under the viel know this stuff. There are special planets that are constructed that you must earn by your choices, but there is no heaven as religionists believe.
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U r floodin many threads with all these luciferian bs

Im trying to grasp as to why god would limit our years on earth, only to give us everlasting life later on, it doesnt make sense.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28167922


So like, you honestly have absolutely no idea whatsoever about what the Bible is all about?

You have no idea about any of it at all?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27253156


OP would do better to never open a bible. It will leave his mind free to think . I would suggest Walter Russell and other good sources. The soul is eternal unless one rejects eternal life and then it is uncreated. Its that simple. When you come into being, you are already eternal, that is the nature of MIND/Spirit Life is in the spirit, your life is not your body.
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promoting ignorance now?
applause
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yes and its not even the least bit original, its just a bunch of dressed up re hashed luciferian lies. very deceptive though to the ignorant.
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Okay so you're now contradicting yourself, and proving your very own assumption is false

but these are purely visions of what you believe is reality.
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Obviously you have never been to tcant understand what i am saying.

You create your reality and in the case of an NDE your subconscious creates it. There may be being sharing your space in this realm and some may have come there so that they can relay a message to you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28102897


lol so you believe someone can imagine something, or it being created from the subconscious, but a real entity, can also sometimes share this created reality.

Going on your assumption, let me now state again, that these NDEs do indeed give evidence to an afterlife (e.g. heaven and hell).

Which you originally stated, there's no evidence for this.
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What evidence of heaven or hell is there? They saw these locations? That isnt evidence...
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In these same very same NDEs in which heaven, hell, and Jesus was seen, which was seen by four people.

All four people, also came across and saw several deceased.

And learned a lot and about these people, that was previously unknown. The information was then researched and verified to be true.

This shows, the experience was not based on the person's subconscious beliefs.

In addition, 2 of these 4 specifically mentioned the color of Jesus's eyes. They both stated, the exact same eye color. And also 2 of the 4, stated out of the countless paintings of Jesus, there's only that actually looks like him. They both stated, the exact same painting that actually looks like him.
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OP would do better to never open a bible. It will leave his mind free to think. I would suggest Walter Russell and other good sources. The soul is eternal unless one rejects eternal life and then it is uncreated. Its that simple. When you come into being, you are already eternal, that is the nature of MIND/Spirit Life is in the spirit, your life is not your body.
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Well in actuality it was the bible that led me to the whole question of what happens to us after we die.
There is no mention of it that I came across and no mention of anyone other then Christ ever going to heaven.
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your life is eternal. Heaven is within YOU which Jesus taught. This heaven stuff is all bs. completely. This is a world behind the veil, it was cut off from cosmic communications because of the Lucifer Rebellion. That is over, the communications circuits are being re established and truth is coming in.

Death and rebirth occur in all of nature, from suns to people. its just a cycle, but the spirit is always in life and never dies. You are already an eternal being and you move forward to greater experiences as your grow your mind and wisdom. As a prison ward, this planet has intense reincarnation, because the Prince of this world who went with Lucifer would not allow souls to leave it and Lucifer himself could not create either angels or new souls, so this place was stagnant.

Christ came and deposed the Prince, and removed Lucifer and slowly we will get back to normal here. The veils are being drawn back and you shall begin as I said to have truth.

You cannot die, only your body recycles. And life as to body temples will grow longer on this world as people begin to want that. This place is so miserable that people do not strive for long lives, and that is the main reason they are short. You will incarnate on more advanced worlds are you are ready for them, and this world is being moved upward into LIGHT also. The prison is closed, and there is no place to go but forward for those seeking to move forward. Those stuck will have to move to other stuck worlds, or worlds which represent where they are.

There are special worlds beyond these evolutionary worlds, and it is customary to go to what are called the mansions worlds, which are school worlds, when one reaches 5d consciousness, which is the KNOWING that God resides within them, that are are Sons of God. When one has reached that level upon death of the body, one is taken to the mansion worlds and awaken on the 3rd day after passing this world, in a brand new body. You do not reproduce on those worlds. They are study worlds to learn more about the nature of everything.

There are many worlds beyond the mansion worlds, also custom built and plenty of evolutionary worlds in light and life upon which to learn and experience. Eternal life is for trillions of years, and you do not ever stay in one place, which would produce stagnation. But on flowering worlds, life is MUCH longer and richer than here.

Always you will grow, always you will learn from those who have gone before you and always will you teach those below you. There is no end and as you mature you go into management if that is your choice of worlds. You will change careers often.

Have you seen pics of the massive craft around the sun? I have one on my old computer that I have not put of this one to upload here. These craft are from the Management worlds of the Superuniverse (Milkly Way is core galaxy of our superuniverse, Orvonton). They control SUNS and work on our sun during this time of great change we are in because we are in 3 sets of cosmic energies right now. This is but one example of where you will go at some point, you might well work on craft that modify the behavior of suns. Just an example of what is done during eternal life. When you have gone thru all the school/living worlds you will eventually reach Havona, which is the Central Universe, the first universe and from all creational energies come, well they come from Paradise the center), and you learn even more there, there are 1 BILLION worlds in Havona to live and study on. When you finish with those worlds, you will stand on Paradise which becomes your final home, and you will sit at the right hand of the Father. That teaching was lost on this world.

I have taken that long journey. I am from Paradise and I sit at the right hand of the father, as you to shall do in time. I know of what I speak. I am very old, but yet young compared to the others way beyond me in time.

Enjoy the journey, for now that this prison is closing, what is open to those who have eternal life is magnificent. This is a time of judgement, and some are going to reject eternity. And some will merge if ready with the MInd of the Father within them, which writes them into the book of life, as once this happens, one is no longer a faith son of god, but an actual son of God.

And if you are asking these questions I see here, I think you are well on that journey. God Bless.
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Wow your outlook on life is beautiful! Can you start a thread for discussions of things you believe in please?!

Call it the thread of truth! haha
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I have been working here for 4 years now and always the attacks come to me for it and I went thru a period of a bit of discouragement if you will and because of several reasons, I deleted my account and my many threads went back to AC, because the account name was gone. I have a collection of them on old mac, which I need to move to new mac. I have holiday time coming up and won't be able to do that just yet. Look up my current registration for current threads, I will likely add the list of my old threads to this thread Thread: Teaching by Candace/God Loves All

I would ask you to consider reading some of the wonderful work by Walter Russell on the nature of how God creates, he was a great christ that incarnated during the late 1800's and began to show how man here will become cosmic man. I have a thread running with quotes of his, and any one here who knows of Russell and have copies of his work are free to add to that thread. Thread: Walter Russell Quotes

Jesus is my best friend beloved and he is returned, things didn't go so well since he returned in 1954, and we have not been able to manifest the 2nd coming as people wish it to be, YET. But its coming. Kennedy was taken to meet Jesus and the day they murdered him, he was going to announce and had already set in place great changes . He remains aboard craft and is the director of the whole show going on.

I have to get off now, I have things to do and need to move anyway.
The actual Lord's Prayer Given by Jesus 2000 years ago.

"MY SPIRIT, YOU ARE OMNIPOTENT. YOUR NAME IS HOLY. MAY YOUR REALM BE INCARNATE IN ME. MAY YOUR POWER REVEAL ITSELF WITHIN ME, ON EARTH AND IN THE HEAVEN. GIVE ME TODAY MY DAILY BREAD, AND THUS, LET ME RECOGNIZE MY TRANSGRESSIONS AND ERRORS, AND I SHALL RECOGNIZE THE TRUTH. AND DO NOT LEAD ME INTO TEMPTATION AND CONFUSION, BUT DELIVER ME FROM ERROR. FOR YOURS IS THE REALM WITHIN ME AND THE POWER AND THE KNOWLEDGE FOREVER,
AMEN.

Nice video: [link to www.youtube.com] Make this World a Better One

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