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Why you CANNOT "do all things" through Christ as is written in Philippians 4:13. Is the verse wrong?

 
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Morning bump for a wonderful thread!

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Morning bump for a wonderful thread!

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hf
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I was late coming to an understanding of what Paul was describing in Phil 4:13, maybe in the last 10 years or so.

Sometimes misinterpretations get so ingrained in our Christian culture that they become "truth." I am grateful to you, OP, for pointing out some of these, whether it's this thread or the "hell" thread or some of the others.

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important to grasp the whole chapter:

Closing Appeal for Steadfastness and Unity

4:1 Therefore, my brothers and sisters, you whom I love and long for, my joy and crown, stand firm in the Lord in this way, dear friends!

2 I plead with Euodia and I plead with Syntyche (The Double Covenant of "Love, Love" Father and Son) to be of the same mind in the Lord. 3 Yes, and I ask you, (Salt) my true companion, help these women since they have contended at my side (The New Covenant was at Calvary) in the cause of the gospel, along with Clement (The Holy Spirit) and the rest of my co-workers, whose names are in the book of life.
Final Exhortations

4 Rejoice in the Lord always. I will say it again: Rejoice! 5 Let your gentleness be evident to all. The Lord is near. 6 Do not be anxious about anything, but in every situation, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. 7 And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.

8 Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things. 9 Whatever you have learned or received or heard from me, or seen in me—put it into practice. And the God of peace will be with you. (Walk in The Spirit and you will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh)
Thanks for Their Gifts

10 I rejoiced greatly in the Lord that at last you renewed your concern for me. (You have found your first Love) Indeed, you were concerned, but you had no opportunity to show it. 11 I am not saying this because I am in need, for I have learned to be content whatever the circumstances. 12 I know what it is to be in need, and I know what it is to have plenty. I have learned the secret of being content in any and every situation, whether well fed or hungry, whether living in plenty or in want. 13 I can do all this through him who gives me strength.

14 Yet it was good of you to share in my troubles. 15 Moreover, as you (Salt) Philippians know, in the early days of your acquaintance with the gospel, when I set out from Macedonia, (The land of high minded people = earth) not one church shared with me in the matter of giving and receiving, except you only; 16 for even when I was in Thessalonica,(THERMA = heat = HADES = Christ closed the vent of hell at the Resurrection) you sent me aid more than once(Love) when I was in need. 17 Not that I desire your gifts; what I desire is that more be credited to your account.(FAITH) 18 I have received full payment and have more than enough.(FAITH) I am amply supplied, now that I have received from Epaphroditus(The Holy Spirit) the gifts you sent. They are a fragrant offering, an acceptable sacrifice, pleasing to God. (Without faith it is impossible to please God!) 19 And my God will meet all your needs according to the riches of his glory in Christ Jesus.

20 To our God and Father be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
 Quoting: Salt




Think for a moment about all the ways God has met the needs of His people throughout history.

When Israel was in the wilderness, they had no supermarkets or grocery stores. There was not even a blade of grass in sight. But God rained down manna from heaven so the people would have bread, and He caused birds to fall by the bushel from the sky so they would have meat. He caused water to gush from a rock. And He supernaturally kept their shoes and clothing intact, so that they never wore out in forty years of use.

In the Old Testament, we read that a hungry prophet was fed by a raven. A barrel of meal and a bottle of oil supernaturally replenished themselves. And an entire enemy army fled upon hearing a strange noise—leaving behind enough supplies to feed an entire city of starving Israelites.

In the New Testament, we read that water was turned into wine. Money was found in a fish's mouth to pay taxes. And five thousand people were fed with only five loaves of bread and two fish.

All these miracles of supply cry out to us, "God is faithful. He can be trusted!" And in Leviticus 25, we read of another supernatural phenomenon—an especially ripe harvest in the year before the sabbath for the land.

Next, God commanded that the people observe seven consecutive cycles of sabbaths for the land: "Thou shalt number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and the space of the seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years" (verse 8). In other words: "You are to celebrate this sabbath every seventh year, for a period of forty-nine years—seven sabbaths times seven."

In biblical terms, the forty-nine-year period would comprise a whole generation. The implication here is that such a period would provide enough time for an entire generation to learn to trust the Lord. Over that time, parents and grandparents would build up a history of faith, so they could tell their children: "Yes, it's true! God supplied everything we needed the first six years, but when the seventh year came, many of us were afraid. Yet God's provision saw us through to the eighth year, and right up to the ninth. Sometimes it was frightening, but there was always enough. No one starved, and no one had to beg. Every need was supplied. God tested our faith—and He remained faithful!"

The point is, when God says, "Trust me," He means it!
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Morning bump for a wonderful thread!

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hf
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I was late coming to an understanding of what Paul was describing in Phil 4:13, maybe in the last 10 years or so.

Sometimes misinterpretations get so ingrained in our Christian culture that they become "truth." I am grateful to you, OP, for pointing out some of these, whether it's this thread or the "hell" thread or some of the others.

hf
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thanks, L&L! hf
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important to grasp the whole chapter:

Closing Appeal for Steadfastness and Unity

4:1 Therefore, my brothers and sisters, you whom I love and long for, my joy and crown, stand firm in the Lord in this way, dear friends!

2 I plead with Euodia and I plead with Syntyche (The Double Covenant of "Love, Love" Father and Son) to be of the same mind in the Lord. 3 Yes, and I ask you, (Salt) my true companion, help these women since they have contended at my side (The New Covenant was at Calvary) in the cause of the gospel, along with Clement (The Holy Spirit) and the rest of my co-workers, whose names are in the book of life.
Final Exhortations

4 Rejoice in the Lord always. I will say it again: Rejoice! 5 Let your gentleness be evident to all. The Lord is near. 6 Do not be anxious about anything, but in every situation, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. 7 And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.

8 Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things. 9 Whatever you have learned or received or heard from me, or seen in me—put it into practice. And the God of peace will be with you. (Walk in The Spirit and you will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh)
Thanks for Their Gifts

10 I rejoiced greatly in the Lord that at last you renewed your concern for me. (You have found your first Love) Indeed, you were concerned, but you had no opportunity to show it. 11 I am not saying this because I am in need, for I have learned to be content whatever the circumstances. 12 I know what it is to be in need, and I know what it is to have plenty. I have learned the secret of being content in any and every situation, whether well fed or hungry, whether living in plenty or in want. 13 I can do all this through him who gives me strength.

14 Yet it was good of you to share in my troubles. 15 Moreover, as you (Salt) Philippians know, in the early days of your acquaintance with the gospel, when I set out from Macedonia, (The land of high minded people = earth) not one church shared with me in the matter of giving and receiving, except you only; 16 for even when I was in Thessalonica,(THERMA = heat = HADES = Christ closed the vent of hell at the Resurrection) you sent me aid more than once(Love) when I was in need. 17 Not that I desire your gifts; what I desire is that more be credited to your account.(FAITH) 18 I have received full payment and have more than enough.(FAITH) I am amply supplied, now that I have received from Epaphroditus(The Holy Spirit) the gifts you sent. They are a fragrant offering, an acceptable sacrifice, pleasing to God. (Without faith it is impossible to please God!) 19 And my God will meet all your needs according to the riches of his glory in Christ Jesus.

20 To our God and Father be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
 Quoting: Salt




Think for a moment about all the ways God has met the needs of His people throughout history.

When Israel was in the wilderness, they had no supermarkets or grocery stores. There was not even a blade of grass in sight. But God rained down manna from heaven so the people would have bread, and He caused birds to fall by the bushel from the sky so they would have meat. He caused water to gush from a rock. And He supernaturally kept their shoes and clothing intact, so that they never wore out in forty years of use.

In the Old Testament, we read that a hungry prophet was fed by a raven. A barrel of meal and a bottle of oil supernaturally replenished themselves. And an entire enemy army fled upon hearing a strange noise—leaving behind enough supplies to feed an entire city of starving Israelites.

In the New Testament, we read that water was turned into wine. Money was found in a fish's mouth to pay taxes. And five thousand people were fed with only five loaves of bread and two fish.

All these miracles of supply cry out to us, "God is faithful. He can be trusted!" And in Leviticus 25, we read of another supernatural phenomenon—an especially ripe harvest in the year before the sabbath for the land.

Next, God commanded that the people observe seven consecutive cycles of sabbaths for the land: "Thou shalt number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and the space of the seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years" (verse 8). In other words: "You are to celebrate this sabbath every seventh year, for a period of forty-nine years—seven sabbaths times seven."

In biblical terms, the forty-nine-year period would comprise a whole generation. The implication here is that such a period would provide enough time for an entire generation to learn to trust the Lord. Over that time, parents and grandparents would build up a history of faith, so they could tell their children: "Yes, it's true! God supplied everything we needed the first six years, but when the seventh year came, many of us were afraid. Yet God's provision saw us through to the eighth year, and right up to the ninth. Sometimes it was frightening, but there was always enough. No one starved, and no one had to beg. Every need was supplied. God tested our faith—and He remained faithful!"

The point is, when God says, "Trust me," He means it!
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The key words are "through Christ" and not "do all things". Naturally there are things we can not do, we can only do all things when Christ allows it so they have to be things that He would approve of and that a human can do. Otherwise we could fly (without a plane)and be like Superman and do all kinds of things that God did not create man to do.
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The key words are "through Christ" and not "do all things". Naturally there are things we can not do, we can only do all things when Christ allows it so they have to be things that He would approve of and that a human can do. Otherwise we could fly (without a plane)and be like Superman and do all kinds of things that God did not create man to do.
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i hear you. but i think the verse means more of "we can endure, manage, cope, tolerate all things" instead of actually "do all things"
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If you take christ to mean the spirit stream that animates the body, then yes it is capable of anything, as it is immortal and not bound by physical limitations...

However, your spirit stream is attached to your soul, which does not reside in the body... This being is in ultimate control of what you can and cannot do...

You are here for lessons and bound by the rules of this galaxy game... You, as the incarnation are not aware, as intended, in order for you to be fully immersed in the game...

But, your soul is fully aware and is subtle direction of your path... This direction can take you down many paths, including the one god religions...

The one god belief is a fallacy, your soul knows it... But, in order to fully understand something, you need to be immersed in it...This is why many incarnations are heavily involved...

Very necessary, as the lessons learned and energy structure is passed on to other incarnations who flush religion and the many other control structures over their lives down the toilet, in preperation for departure and graduation from this galaxy game...
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The ONLY way to make the Bible promises work for your life is to be full of the Anointing, and to be in God's will for your life, doing God's will for your life.

You cannot be a worldly or self-centered Christian, as that will NOT work, as you can see. You have to bow your knee to Christ in all things in your life, abandoning your selfish ambitions, and forgetting about doing your own thing. You have to obediently accept His will for your life in all things, and do them, or, as you see, the Christian life will not work otherwise. All things have to be done in God's will, including prayer. Most Christians have no Holy Ghost power to live victorious, and actually don't want it. However, you are nothing without Christ, the Anointed One!!! Everything He did was in submission to the Father, and done by the power of the Anointing!


But Moses replied, “Are you jealous for my sake? I wish that all the LORD’s people were prophets and that the LORD would put his Spirit on them!” Numbers 11:29


Surely the Sovereign LORD does nothing without revealing his plan to his servants the prophets. Amos 3:7


But did not my words and my decrees, which I commanded my servants the prophets, overtake your ancestors? “Then they repented and said, ‘The LORD Almighty has done to us what our ways and practices deserve, just as he determined to do.’” Zechariah 1:6


The nations were angry, and your wrath has come. The time has come for judging the dead, and for rewarding your servants the prophets and your people who revere your name, both great and small— and for destroying those who destroy the earth.” Revelation 11:18


The angel said to me, “These words are trustworthy and true. The Lord, the God who inspires the prophets, sent his angel to show his servants the things that must soon take place.” Revelation 22:6


At this I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “Don’t do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers and sisters who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For it is the Spirit of prophecy who bears testimony to Jesus.” Revelation 19:10


But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.” Acts 1:8
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The ONLY way to make the Bible promises work for your life is to be full of the Anointing, and to be in God's will for your life, doing God's will for your life.

You cannot be a worldly or self-centered Christian, as that will NOT work, as you can see. You have to bow your knee to Christ in all things in your life, abandoning your selfish ambitions, and forgetting about doing your own thing. You have to obediently accept His will for your life in all things, and do them, or, as you see, the Christian life will not work otherwise. All things have to be done in God's will, including prayer. Most Christians have no Holy Ghost power to live victorious, and actually don't want it. However, you are nothing without Christ, the Anointed One!!! Everything He did was in submission to the Father, and done by the power of the Anointing!


But Moses replied, “Are you jealous for my sake? I wish that all the LORD’s people were prophets and that the LORD would put his Spirit on them!” Numbers 11:29


Surely the Sovereign LORD does nothing without revealing his plan to his servants the prophets. Amos 3:7


But did not my words and my decrees, which I commanded my servants the prophets, overtake your ancestors? “Then they repented and said, ‘The LORD Almighty has done to us what our ways and practices deserve, just as he determined to do.’” Zechariah 1:6


The nations were angry, and your wrath has come. The time has come for judging the dead, and for rewarding your servants the prophets and your people who revere your name, both great and small— and for destroying those who destroy the earth.” Revelation 11:18


The angel said to me, “These words are trustworthy and true. The Lord, the God who inspires the prophets, sent his angel to show his servants the things that must soon take place.” Revelation 22:6


At this I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “Don’t do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers and sisters who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For it is the Spirit of prophecy who bears testimony to Jesus.” Revelation 19:10


But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.” Acts 1:8
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You are a shining example of an incarnation who is fully immersed in the prime control tool of this game...
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The ONLY way to make the Bible promises work for your life is to be full of the Anointing, and to be in God's will for your life, doing God's will for your life.

You cannot be a worldly or self-centered Christian, as that will NOT work, as you can see. You have to bow your knee to Christ in all things in your life, abandoning your selfish ambitions, and forgetting about doing your own thing. You have to obediently accept His will for your life in all things, and do them, or, as you see, the Christian life will not work otherwise. All things have to be done in God's will, including prayer. Most Christians have no Holy Ghost power to live victorious, and actually don't want it. However, you are nothing without Christ, the Anointed One!!! Everything He did was in submission to the Father, and done by the power of the Anointing!


But Moses replied, “Are you jealous for my sake? I wish that all the LORD’s people were prophets and that the LORD would put his Spirit on them!” Numbers 11:29


Surely the Sovereign LORD does nothing without revealing his plan to his servants the prophets. Amos 3:7


But did not my words and my decrees, which I commanded my servants the prophets, overtake your ancestors? “Then they repented and said, ‘The LORD Almighty has done to us what our ways and practices deserve, just as he determined to do.’” Zechariah 1:6


The nations were angry, and your wrath has come. The time has come for judging the dead, and for rewarding your servants the prophets and your people who revere your name, both great and small— and for destroying those who destroy the earth.” Revelation 11:18


The angel said to me, “These words are trustworthy and true. The Lord, the God who inspires the prophets, sent his angel to show his servants the things that must soon take place.” Revelation 22:6


At this I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “Don’t do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers and sisters who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For it is the Spirit of prophecy who bears testimony to Jesus.” Revelation 19:10


But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.” Acts 1:8
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You are a shining example of an incarnation who is fully immersed in the prime control tool of this game...
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what part of that post do you struggle with? because personally, i don't see anything wrong with it.
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The ONLY way to make the Bible promises work for your life is to be full of the Anointing, and to be in God's will for your life, doing God's will for your life.

You cannot be a worldly or self-centered Christian, as that will NOT work, as you can see. You have to bow your knee to Christ in all things in your life, abandoning your selfish ambitions, and forgetting about doing your own thing. You have to obediently accept His will for your life in all things, and do them, or, as you see, the Christian life will not work otherwise. All things have to be done in God's will, including prayer. Most Christians have no Holy Ghost power to live victorious, and actually don't want it. However, you are nothing without Christ, the Anointed One!!! Everything He did was in submission to the Father, and done by the power of the Anointing!


But Moses replied, “Are you jealous for my sake? I wish that all the LORD’s people were prophets and that the LORD would put his Spirit on them!” Numbers 11:29


Surely the Sovereign LORD does nothing without revealing his plan to his servants the prophets. Amos 3:7


But did not my words and my decrees, which I commanded my servants the prophets, overtake your ancestors? “Then they repented and said, ‘The LORD Almighty has done to us what our ways and practices deserve, just as he determined to do.’” Zechariah 1:6


The nations were angry, and your wrath has come. The time has come for judging the dead, and for rewarding your servants the prophets and your people who revere your name, both great and small— and for destroying those who destroy the earth.” Revelation 11:18


The angel said to me, “These words are trustworthy and true. The Lord, the God who inspires the prophets, sent his angel to show his servants the things that must soon take place.” Revelation 22:6


At this I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “Don’t do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers and sisters who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For it is the Spirit of prophecy who bears testimony to Jesus.” Revelation 19:10


But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.” Acts 1:8
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You are a shining example of an incarnation who is fully immersed in the prime control tool of this game...
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what part of that post do you struggle with? because personally, i don't see anything wrong with it.
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I do not struggle with the post...

I am pointing out the workings of the game for those who can grasp it...
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perhaps be a little less esoteric?

because, as far as i'm concerned, this isn't a game.
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The ONLY way to make the Bible promises work for your life is to be full of the Anointing, and to be in God's will for your life, doing God's will for your life.

You cannot be a worldly or self-centered Christian, as that will NOT work, as you can see. You have to bow your knee to Christ in all things in your life, abandoning your selfish ambitions, and forgetting about doing your own thing. You have to obediently accept His will for your life in all things, and do them, or, as you see, the Christian life will not work otherwise. All things have to be done in God's will, including prayer. Most Christians have no Holy Ghost power to live victorious, and actually don't want it. However, you are nothing without Christ, the Anointed One!!! Everything He did was in submission to the Father, and done by the power of the Anointing!


But Moses replied, “Are you jealous for my sake? I wish that all the LORD’s people were prophets and that the LORD would put his Spirit on them!” Numbers 11:29


Surely the Sovereign LORD does nothing without revealing his plan to his servants the prophets. Amos 3:7


But did not my words and my decrees, which I commanded my servants the prophets, overtake your ancestors? “Then they repented and said, ‘The LORD Almighty has done to us what our ways and practices deserve, just as he determined to do.’” Zechariah 1:6


The nations were angry, and your wrath has come. The time has come for judging the dead, and for rewarding your servants the prophets and your people who revere your name, both great and small— and for destroying those who destroy the earth.” Revelation 11:18


The angel said to me, “These words are trustworthy and true. The Lord, the God who inspires the prophets, sent his angel to show his servants the things that must soon take place.” Revelation 22:6


At this I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “Don’t do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers and sisters who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For it is the Spirit of prophecy who bears testimony to Jesus.” Revelation 19:10


But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.” Acts 1:8
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You are a shining example of an incarnation who is fully immersed in the prime control tool of this game...
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I seems like you mean this pejoratively, but you might consider that there is an upside to being as "fully immersed" as the above person is saying we should be...

if you think you are just here to empower yourself and build ego... sure, you can learn to do all kinds of things, like heal people, levitate, access spirit demons/guides, manipulate your environment... live a loooong time even...

but this is likely NOT the essence of the the reason an intelligent Designer created you and you may be losing something greater...

I say this as someone who is still of the world in many respects--I like to cook, make music, enjoy sensual things... but I recognize this is not an end and slowly I am steering myself more towards the non-worldly perspective...

Was reading Luke 18 today and saw myself: the publican, striking his breast and saying: God please be merciful to me, the sinner!"

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perhaps be a little less esoteric?

because, as far as i'm concerned, this isn't a game.
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No, of course not - those fully immersed do not, nor are they intended to recognise the mechanics...

In the big picture, it is a game...

The object - learn as much as you can, full sensory immersement...Then flush the controls down the toilet, and depart... Taking with you a wealth of experiences that could have only been gained by fully immersing yourself in - YES, this galaxy game creation...
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It only means, that if your soul is towards his speach, you can learn, what is bad and what not, so that you can catch some good ideas for your behaviour as a ghost, which is given from the Almighty, and will be taken away from your body one day again.

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perhaps be a little less esoteric?

because, as far as i'm concerned, this isn't a game.
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No, of course not - those fully immersed do not, nor are they intended to recognise the mechanics...

In the big picture, it is a game...

The object - learn as much as you can, full sensory immersement...Then flush the controls down the toilet, and depart... Taking with you a wealth of experiences that could have only been gained by fully immersing yourself in - YES, this galaxy game creation...
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sensory immersement... interesting
sounds awfully flesh oriented.
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I seems like you mean this pejoratively, but you might consider that there is an upside to being as "fully immersed" as the above person is saying we should be...

if you think you are just here to empower yourself and build ego... sure, you can learn to do all kinds of things, like heal people, levitate, access spirit demons/guides, manipulate your environment... live a loooong time even...

but this is likely NOT the essence of the the reason an intelligent Designer created you and you may be losing something greater...

I say this as someone who is still of the world in many respects--I like to cook, make music, enjoy sensual things... but I recognize this is not an end and slowly I am steering myself more towards the non-worldly perspective...

Was reading Luke 18 today and saw myself: the publican, striking his breast and saying: God please be merciful to me, the sinner!"

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Moving to a non worldly perspective is intelligent and wise...

There is no salvation for the physical, in the physical...

However, I would do away with your notions of sin... No sin, only experiences, some very trying and some very pleasant... Both equally valuable...
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perhaps be a little less esoteric?

because, as far as i'm concerned, this isn't a game.
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No, of course not - those fully immersed do not, nor are they intended to recognise the mechanics...

In the big picture, it is a game...

The object - learn as much as you can, full sensory immersement...Then flush the controls down the toilet, and depart... Taking with you a wealth of experiences that could have only been gained by fully immersing yourself in - YES, this galaxy game creation...
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sensory immersement... interesting
sounds awfully flesh oriented.
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You are in the physical at this time for a reason...
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perhaps be a little less esoteric?

because, as far as i'm concerned, this isn't a game.
 Quoting: Salt


No, of course not - those fully immersed do not, nor are they intended to recognise the mechanics...

In the big picture, it is a game...

The object - learn as much as you can, full sensory immersement...Then flush the controls down the toilet, and depart... Taking with you a wealth of experiences that could have only been gained by fully immersing yourself in - YES, this galaxy game creation...
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sensory immersement... interesting
sounds awfully flesh oriented.
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You are in the physical at this time for a reason...
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yes. human error and consequences.
the flesh has no good thing in it
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No, of course not - those fully immersed do not, nor are they intended to recognise the mechanics...

In the big picture, it is a game...

The object - learn as much as you can, full sensory immersement...Then flush the controls down the toilet, and depart... Taking with you a wealth of experiences that could have only been gained by fully immersing yourself in - YES, this galaxy game creation...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25784525


sensory immersement... interesting
sounds awfully flesh oriented.
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You are in the physical at this time for a reason...
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yes. human error and consequences.
the flesh has no good thing in it
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Learning to gain control of the flesh is a major challenge and some of the mechanics of the game...

But, I would not say "no good thing in it"... Without this cumbersome, limiting tool, you would not grow... Nothing like a good challenge to whip you into shape...
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"whip you into shape"

yep, that i can agree with.

even the games require training.
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In other words..in MODERN english..Paul meant this..

Philippians 4:13 I can put up with and get through all the utter bullshit life throws at me through Christ who strengthens me.
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+infinity

Maybe a thread could be started to put the Bible in today's vernacular. It would last for years...
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In other words..in MODERN english..Paul meant this..

Philippians 4:13 I can put up with and get through all the utter bullshit life throws at me through Christ who strengthens me.
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+infinity

Maybe a thread could be started to put the Bible in today's vernacular. It would last for years...
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" +infinity"

hilarious
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"whip you into shape"

yep, that i can agree with.

even the games require training.
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Spiritual growth reqiures training and challenge, and as I have alluded to earlier - you must be fully immersed...

After the immersement, you recognise the training on this planet for what it is - fallacy... I am mainly talking religion, but it can also apply to every other hierarchial situation on this planet...
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In other words..in MODERN english..Paul meant this..

Philippians 4:13 I can put up with and get through all the utter bullshit life throws at me through Christ who strengthens me.
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+infinity

Maybe a thread could be started to put the Bible in today's vernacular. It would last for years...
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Not nearly as colorful as your example but very interesting reading is "The Kingdom New Testament" by N. T. Wright.
We become like that to which we are devoted. Choose wisely.
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"whip you into shape"

yep, that i can agree with.

even the games require training.
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Spiritual growth reqiures training and challenge, and as I have alluded to earlier - you must be fully immersed...

After the immersement, you recognise the training on this planet for what it is - fallacy... I am mainly talking religion, but it can also apply to every other hierarchial situation on this planet...
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well i disagree about the fallacy part.
all of this is for a good purpose.
divine, actually.
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Re: Why you CANNOT "do all things" through Christ as is written in Philippians 4:13. Is the verse wrong?
Tl;dr

God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
The courage to change the things I can,
And the wisdom to know the difference.

Right?
We were meant to live for so much more, have we lost ourselves?

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