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Have you ever noticed the Hawaiian islands and subsurface mountain chain leading up to them, suddenly change direction?

 
Sol Neman

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Have you ever noticed the Hawaiian islands and subsurface mountain chain leading up to them, suddenly change direction?
Take a look at Google maps /earth, find Hawaii and zoom out so you can see Hawaii and the Bering Sea.

Do you see the sub surface mountain chain & islands that lead from Alaska to Hawaii?
Notice how it takes a sharp turn and goes east?

Now look closer to the Bering Sea, where the Pacific plate goes under the Aleutian Islands and comes to a point. If you look real close you can see a faint remnants of a mountain chain veering back to the northwest, similar to the direction the islands go now.

This intrigued me so I decided to dig deeper. I measured approximate distance between each “turn” and discovered they’re very close in length. Take a look at what I put together below and tell me what you think.

Northernmost point of chain near Bering Sea – 52 00 00N; 166 00 00E
Point of turn – 33 00 00N; 172 00 00E
Southeastern point of Big Island – 18 30 00N; 155 30 00E

2167 km from Bering Sea to the “turn”
2303 km from the “turn” to the Big Island
[link to www.movable-type.co.uk]

Average distance between “turns” = 2235 km = 223,500,000 cm

Average speed Pacific plate 5 - 10 cm/year
[link to hypertextbook.com]

Interval between “turns”
22.35 Million years @ 10 cm/year
31.93 Million years @ 7 cm/year
44.70 Million years @ 5 cm/year
Average of all figures above = 32,993,333 or 33 Million years

Now ponder this…

34 Million years ago is the start of the Oligocene period…
”The start of the Oligocene is marked by a notable extinction event; the replacement of European fauna with Asian fauna, except for the endemic rodent and marsupial families called the Grande Coupure. The Oligocene-Miocene boundary is not set at an easily identified worldwide event but rather at regional boundaries.”
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

65.5 Million years ago (31.5 million year difference) is the start of Paleocene period…
”The Paleocene Epoch immediately followed the mass extinction event at the end of the Cretaceous, known as the Cretaceous–Paleogene boundary, which marks the demise of non-avian dinosaurs, the giant marine reptiles and much other fauna and flora. The die-off of the dinosaurs left unfilled ecological niches worldwide.”
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

”The Cretaceous–Paleogene extinction event was a large-scale mass extinction of animal and plant species in a geologically short period of time, approximately 66 million years ago.”
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

I thought this was intriguing to say the least. I have no idea what caused these “turns.” Could have been pole shifts, asteroid impacts, or super volcanoes…could be a combination…could be none of them…

Last Edited by Sol Neman on 11/21/2012 03:08 AM
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Re: Have you ever noticed the Hawaiian islands and subsurface mountain chain leading up to them, suddenly change direction?
Here are some potential causes...


Haughton Impact Crater
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La Garita Caldera
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Re: Have you ever noticed the Hawaiian islands and subsurface mountain chain leading up to them, suddenly change direction?
So about my trip to Maui. How soon are things moving?

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Re: Have you ever noticed the Hawaiian islands and subsurface mountain chain leading up to them, suddenly change direction?
It might not necessarily be a pole shift that causes the "turn." Maybe the poles don't move, it's the crust that moves. Perhaps someone out there as the ability and skill to figure out where all the tectonic plates would end up relative to the poles by using the measurement of the angle between the two visible legs of the mountain chain. It appears that the mountain shifts back to it's present direct if you look near the subduction zone where the Aleutian islands meet up with Russia. That would indicate to me that there are only two directions the plate has/will move thus indicating the poles only have two major locations. If you were able to figure all this out you could determine the approximate new location of the poles when the next shift occurs.
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Re: Have you ever noticed the Hawaiian islands and subsurface mountain chain leading up to them, suddenly change direction?
So about my trip to Maui. How soon are things moving?
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Roughly 33 million year cycle, last event 34 million years ago...you do the math. Not that it matters though. That last two times this occurred it was a mass extinction event. With that being said, I'd rather die in Maui than many other places on the globe so don't let this stop your trip. Unless of course you main living quarters are nicer than a tropical island...
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Re: Have you ever noticed the Hawaiian islands and subsurface mountain chain leading up to them, suddenly change direction?
Which part is BS?

The fact that a major extinction event has occurred on a roughly 33 million year cycle?

The fact that the sub surface mountain chain that runs from the Bering Sea to the Hawaiian Islands does change direction dramatically?

The interesting coincidence that the length the mountain chain, in each direction, roughly equates to 33 million years of tectonic movement in one direction then it changes?
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Lived in Honolulu all my life. Don't make me move now.
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Lived in Honolulu all my life. Don't make me move now.
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Honoruru. ;)
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Re: Have you ever noticed the Hawaiian islands and subsurface mountain chain leading up to them, suddenly change direction?
Lived in Honolulu all my life. Don't make me move now.
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I'm not going to make you move...besides, where are you going to go? An event of that magnitude will be felt worldwide and there will be no where to hide; we'll go the way of the dinosaurs. That being said I rather be at the epicenter...you'll have the best seat in the house and won't have to live with prolonged suffering trying to delay the inevitable!
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Re: Have you ever noticed the Hawaiian islands and subsurface mountain chain leading up to them, suddenly change direction?
excellent stuff OP

more of us should use our eyes, and common sense like you have done here. It's all there!

here's a screen capture of the mountain chain you talk about..

[link to i46.tinypic.com]
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Re: Have you ever noticed the Hawaiian islands and subsurface mountain chain leading up to them, suddenly change direction?
Assuming that your thesis is correct, we're in the ballpark of a 1.5 million year span where this should happen again.

Or, the chance that it happens any given year is about 1 in 1,500,000.

Or, chance that it happens today. 1 / 547,500,000

Interesting, yet hardly worth noting considering there's little to no evidence for causation between the turns and the extinction events.

Correlation does not mean causation
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Re: Have you ever noticed the Hawaiian islands and subsurface mountain chain leading up to them, suddenly change direction?
Which part is BS?

The fact that a major extinction event has occurred on a roughly 33 million year cycle?

The fact that the sub surface mountain chain that runs from the Bering Sea to the Hawaiian Islands does change direction dramatically?

The interesting coincidence that the length the mountain chain, in each direction, roughly equates to 33 million years of tectonic movement in one direction then it changes?
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You should learn the difference between FACT and SPECULATION...
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Re: Have you ever noticed the Hawaiian islands and subsurface mountain chain leading up to them, suddenly change direction?
Assuming that your thesis is correct, we're in the ballpark of a 1.5 million year span where this should happen again.

Or, the chance that it happens any given year is about 1 in 1,500,000.

Or, chance that it happens today. 1 / 547,500,000

Interesting, yet hardly worth noting considering there's little to no evidence for causation between the turns and the extinction events.

Correlation does not mean causation
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I understand that the chances of it happening in our lifetime are very slim. I am merely trying to point out what I observed and I do not recall this theory ever being mentioned or made public anyways. This theory is far from being confirmed, but I do believe it warrants more investigation.
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Re: Have you ever noticed the Hawaiian islands and subsurface mountain chain leading up to them, suddenly change direction?
Which part is BS?

The fact that a major extinction event has occurred on a roughly 33 million year cycle?

The fact that the sub surface mountain chain that runs from the Bering Sea to the Hawaiian Islands does change direction dramatically?

The interesting coincidence that the length the mountain chain, in each direction, roughly equates to 33 million years of tectonic movement in one direction then it changes?
 Quoting: Sol Neman


You should learn the difference between FACT and SPECULATION...
 Quoting: UnmannedAerialPilot


So there was not an extinction event 33 million and again 66 million years ago? Have we not found fossils and geological evidence confirming this? That part is not speculation it has been proven.

You can see with your own eyes that the island/mountain chain has changed direction in the past? How is this not a fact?

The speculation on my part is "how" this happened, not that it actually did...we know it happened, we just do not know how it happened.
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Re: Have you ever noticed the Hawaiian islands and subsurface mountain chain leading up to them, suddenly change direction?
excellent stuff OP

more of us should use our eyes, and common sense like you have done here. It's all there!

here's a screen capture of the mountain chain you talk about..

[link to i46.tinypic.com]
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Thanks, perhaps someone can add this pic to the thread? I don't know how or even if I can add it myself.
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Re: Have you ever noticed the Hawaiian islands and subsurface mountain chain leading up to them, suddenly change direction?
excellent stuff OP

more of us should use our eyes, and common sense like you have done here. It's all there!

here's a screen capture of the mountain chain you talk about..

[link to i46.tinypic.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29155775


Thanks, perhaps someone can add this pic to the thread? I don't know how or even if I can add it myself.
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and this one shows where hawaii would have ended up were it not for that turn, and the distance away from it's present location that point is..

[link to i46.tinypic.com]
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Re: Have you ever noticed the Hawaiian islands and subsurface mountain chain leading up to them, suddenly change direction?
excellent stuff OP

more of us should use our eyes, and common sense like you have done here. It's all there!

here's a screen capture of the mountain chain you talk about..

[link to i46.tinypic.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29155775


Thanks, perhaps someone can add this pic to the thread? I don't know how or even if I can add it myself.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29279820


and this one shows where hawaii would have ended up were it not for that turn, and the distance away from it's present location that point is..

[link to i46.tinypic.com]
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Interesting...I wonder if these "paths" line up with the "ley-lines" I've seen mentioned elsewhere in this forum?

With the triangle created in the above pic you should be able to determine the "degree/angle of change" You could use this "degree of change" to determine where the poles were before the shift, that's assuming the the poles and the "hot-spot" creating Hawaii are static and do not move and it is in fact the crust/plates of the Earth that moved in relation to the core and mantle of the Earth.
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Re: Have you ever noticed the Hawaiian islands and subsurface mountain chain leading up to them, suddenly change direction?
Which part is BS?

The fact that a major extinction event has occurred on a roughly 33 million year cycle?

The fact that the sub surface mountain chain that runs from the Bering Sea to the Hawaiian Islands does change direction dramatically?

The interesting coincidence that the length the mountain chain, in each direction, roughly equates to 33 million years of tectonic movement in one direction then it changes?
 Quoting: Sol Neman


You should learn the difference between FACT and SPECULATION...
 Quoting: UnmannedAerialPilot


So there was not an extinction event 33 million and again 66 million years ago? Have we not found fossils and geological evidence confirming this? That part is not speculation it has been proven.

You can see with your own eyes that the island/mountain chain has changed direction in the past? How is this not a fact?

The speculation on my part is "how" this happened, not that it actually did...we know it happened, we just do not know how it happened.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29279820


No, there was a global flood catastrophe about 4400 years ago that created the fossil record and most of the geological evidence you see today.
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Re: Have you ever noticed the Hawaiian islands and subsurface mountain chain leading up to them, suddenly change direction?
Which part is BS?

The fact that a major extinction event has occurred on a roughly 33 million year cycle?

The fact that the sub surface mountain chain that runs from the Bering Sea to the Hawaiian Islands does change direction dramatically?

The interesting coincidence that the length the mountain chain, in each direction, roughly equates to 33 million years of tectonic movement in one direction then it changes?
 Quoting: Sol Neman


You should learn the difference between FACT and SPECULATION...
 Quoting: UnmannedAerialPilot


So there was not an extinction event 33 million and again 66 million years ago? Have we not found fossils and geological evidence confirming this? That part is not speculation it has been proven.

You can see with your own eyes that the island/mountain chain has changed direction in the past? How is this not a fact?

The speculation on my part is "how" this happened, not that it actually did...we know it happened, we just do not know how it happened.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29279820


No, there was a global flood catastrophe about 4400 years ago that created the fossil record and most of the geological evidence you see today.
 Quoting: UnmannedAerialPilot


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Re: Have you ever noticed the Hawaiian islands and subsurface mountain chain leading up to them, suddenly change direction?
Which part is BS?

The fact that a major extinction event has occurred on a roughly 33 million year cycle?

The fact that the sub surface mountain chain that runs from the Bering Sea to the Hawaiian Islands does change direction dramatically?

The interesting coincidence that the length the mountain chain, in each direction, roughly equates to 33 million years of tectonic movement in one direction then it changes?
 Quoting: Sol Neman


You should learn the difference between FACT and SPECULATION...
 Quoting: UnmannedAerialPilot


So there was not an extinction event 33 million and again 66 million years ago? Have we not found fossils and geological evidence confirming this? That part is not speculation it has been proven.

You can see with your own eyes that the island/mountain chain has changed direction in the past? How is this not a fact?

The speculation on my part is "how" this happened, not that it actually did...we know it happened, we just do not know how it happened.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29279820


No, there was a global flood catastrophe about 4400 years ago that created the fossil record and most of the geological evidence you see today.
 Quoting: UnmannedAerialPilot


I do not interpret the Bible in a literal sense such as yourself. I believe all the stories of the Bible are written as a parable that can be applied to all time. Attempting to make all the new (re-discovered) scientific findings fit into a literal Biblical time line is impossible. For this reason you and people that think like you take any facts that get in the way of your misinterpretation of ancient texts and call them blasphemous or disregard/deny them all together. Such as your response above.
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Re: Have you ever noticed the Hawaiian islands and subsurface mountain chain leading up to them, suddenly change direction?
Sol,

Thats some interesting thoughts and work you have.

In regards to where the poles may end up, during the 2012 fear and loathing, I completely speculated they'd shift simililary in this sense: North Poles move southwest'ish into the Bearing Sea and the South Pole moves northest'ish towards Japan and the south China Sea - but I never really stuck a line through a globe to see if that works. Perhaps its on the Pacific side of Japan. I based that strictly on similar geography of both "destinations". Both have archipelogo's, curved land masses around them and also have Volcanos.

Now, if the crust itself moved, that would indeed be cataclysmic.
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Sol,

Thats some interesting thoughts and work you have.

In regards to where the poles may end up, during the 2012 fear and loathing, I completely speculated they'd shift simililary in this sense: North Poles move southwest'ish into the Bearing Sea and the South Pole moves northest'ish towards Japan and the south China Sea - but I never really stuck a line through a globe to see if that works. Perhaps its on the Pacific side of Japan. I based that strictly on similar geography of both "destinations". Both have archipelogo's, curved land masses around them and also have Volcanos.

Now, if the crust itself moved, that would indeed be cataclysmic.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2890226


Check out this link, [link to www.antipodemap.com] it will show you the antipodal (opposite side) of any given point on the planet. The North Pole would be closer to Japan than the South if the North Pole were to move to the Bering Sea.

If the North pole is moving towards the Bering Sea that could provide an explanation for the record sea ice the last couple years up there. I guess its never come that far south, that many times. That's what the captains said on the show Deadliest Catch anyways.
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