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In my opinion, Israel is a rogue state which commits war crimes. It is an aggressor state that has invaded Lebanon several times and holds a chunk of Syria illegally, but despite being the fourth most-heavily-armed country in the world has not won a war outright for 45 years, since 1967.



Its current lethal assault on Gaza, with under-reported violence against Palestinians in the occupied West Bank as well, is the latest in a series of such criminal assaults. Like its predecessors this is killing many innocent children, woman and men and causing horrendous damage as well. Like its predecessors it will fail.



Israel is a democracy, undeniably. But a democracy that commits war crimes is still a war criminal. It has an exceptionally right wing government, with an overtly racist foreign minister. That government has taken office on the basis of an election. This means that the Israeli electorate is complicit in its government's war crimes.



The casus belli for the latest Israeli assault is the rockets, primitive and ill-targeted though they are, that are being targeted by Hamas on southern and central Israel. Hamas is an odious organisation, whose practices I do not condone, as I pointed out to its prime minister when I led an international delegation of 60 parliamentarians from 13 European countries to Gaza the year before last. Its government is, however, a legal entity elected in a legitimate election, as certified by international observers: an election far more legitimate than that which brought George W Bush to the White House in 2000.



It is the refusal of the international community to have dealings with the Hamas government which has been a factor in the aggressive acts committed by Hamas. Those aggressive acts are a small proportion of aggressive acts carried out by the Israeli government. Both the international community and the Israeli government ignore the maxim uttered by the former Israeli foreign minister, Abba Eban, who said: "You make peace by talking to your enemy." That is a maxim, observed by both Conservative and Labour governments in Britain, which brought peace to Northern Ireland after decades of terrorism and counter-terrorism.



No country in the world could get away so easily with slaughter, destruction and repression as the Israeli government has committed and is committing in Gaza and the West Bank: the blockade of Gaza, the hundreds of checkpoints in the West Bank, the illegal wall built within Palestinian territory on the West Bank, the illegal Jewish settlements - inhabited by half a million - which are entangled almost inextricably on the West Bank, the driving of Palestinians out of Jerusalem so that their population in that city has been amputated exponentially. The world does nothing about these crimes, daunted by the cynical Israeli exploitation of continuing guilt about the slaughter of Jews in the Holocaust.



The Israeli government believes that it can continue to get away with its crimes. It very well may, for a period. But the example of South Africa, an apartheid state which thought that it could, permanently, get away with murder, shows that there is never any such thing as a status quo. As the Greeks said in ancient times: 'Panta rhei' - 'Everything flows.' The craven sanctimony of Barack Obama and the European Union will not sustain Israeli policy forever. The sad fact is that, when the reckoning comes, the two-state solution, recited as a rote by Western foreign ministries, will no longer be an option. What Israel has sowed and is sowing, it will reap.

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Your a sick fuck.
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In my opinion, Israel is a rogue state which commits war crimes. It is an aggressor state that has invaded Lebanon several times and holds a chunk of Syria illegally, but despite being the fourth most-heavily-armed country in the world has not won a war outright for 45 years, since 1967.



Its current lethal assault on Gaza, with under-reported violence against Palestinians in the occupied West Bank as well, is the latest in a series of such criminal assaults. Like its predecessors this is killing many innocent children, woman and men and causing horrendous damage as well. Like its predecessors it will fail.



Israel is a democracy, undeniably. But a democracy that commits war crimes is still a war criminal. It has an exceptionally right wing government, with an overtly racist foreign minister. That government has taken office on the basis of an election. This means that the Israeli electorate is complicit in its government's war crimes.



The casus belli for the latest Israeli assault is the rockets, primitive and ill-targeted though they are, that are being targeted by Hamas on southern and central Israel. Hamas is an odious organisation, whose practices I do not condone, as I pointed out to its prime minister when I led an international delegation of 60 parliamentarians from 13 European countries to Gaza the year before last. Its government is, however, a legal entity elected in a legitimate election, as certified by international observers: an election far more legitimate than that which brought George W Bush to the White House in 2000.



It is the refusal of the international community to have dealings with the Hamas government which has been a factor in the aggressive acts committed by Hamas. Those aggressive acts are a small proportion of aggressive acts carried out by the Israeli government. Both the international community and the Israeli government ignore the maxim uttered by the former Israeli foreign minister, Abba Eban, who said: "You make peace by talking to your enemy." That is a maxim, observed by both Conservative and Labour governments in Britain, which brought peace to Northern Ireland after decades of terrorism and counter-terrorism.



No country in the world could get away so easily with slaughter, destruction and repression as the Israeli government has committed and is committing in Gaza and the West Bank: the blockade of Gaza, the hundreds of checkpoints in the West Bank, the illegal wall built within Palestinian territory on the West Bank, the illegal Jewish settlements - inhabited by half a million - which are entangled almost inextricably on the West Bank, the driving of Palestinians out of Jerusalem so that their population in that city has been amputated exponentially. The world does nothing about these crimes, daunted by the cynical Israeli exploitation of continuing guilt about the slaughter of Jews in the Holocaust.



The Israeli government believes that it can continue to get away with its crimes. It very well may, for a period. But the example of South Africa, an apartheid state which thought that it could, permanently, get away with murder, shows that there is never any such thing as a status quo. As the Greeks said in ancient times: 'Panta rhei' - 'Everything flows.' The craven sanctimony of Barack Obama and the European Union will not sustain Israeli policy forever. The sad fact is that, when the reckoning comes, the two-state solution, recited as a rote by Western foreign ministries, will no longer be an option. What Israel has sowed and is sowing, it will reap.

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OP.. Your the sick fuck.. You should go to Gaza.. I hear HAMAS is looking for a few good human shields.. you are already a little brain wasded ass fuck so you will work out will for your new slave master
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OP.. Your the sick fuck.. You should go to Gaza.. I hear HAMAS is looking for a few good human shields.. you are already a little brain wasded ass fuck so you will work out will for your new slave master
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Did you forget that Israel murdered your own Rachel Corrie with a BULL DOZER WHILE SHE WAS ALIVE.....YOUR THE SHIT AT THE BOTTOM OF MY FEET.
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OP.. Your the sick fuck.. You should go to Gaza.. I hear HAMAS is looking for a few good human shields.. you are already a little brain wasded ass fuck so you will work out will for your new slave master
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Did you forget that Israel murdered your own Rachel Corrie with a BULL DOZER WHILE SHE WAS ALIVE.....YOUR THE SHIT AT THE BOTTOM OF MY FEET.
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OP.. your the shit I flush down the shitter.. you are one of them clueless dip shits that believes everything CNN and MSNBC says.. Good slave..
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OP.. Your the sick fuck.. You should go to Gaza.. I hear HAMAS is looking for a few good human shields.. you are already a little brain wasded ass fuck so you will work out will for your new slave master
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Question to the forum, do you believe the above quote was made by a shill, or are there really people out there stupid enough to believe this sort of shit?
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OP.. Your the sick fuck.. You should go to Gaza.. I hear HAMAS is looking for a few good human shields.. you are already a little brain wasded ass fuck so you will work out will for your new slave master
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Why so full of hatred?
Wierdo.
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OP.. Your the sick fuck.. You should go to Gaza.. I hear HAMAS is looking for a few good human shields.. you are already a little brain wasded ass fuck so you will work out will for your new slave master
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Question to the forum, do you believe the above quote was made by a shill, or are there really people out there stupid enough to believe this sort of shit?
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I picked my side.. you want to be a slave to Hamas good for you..Its my right to say what I want,.. But a little bitch retard like you does not see peoples rights.. So go fuck yourself commie bitch
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Your a sick fuck.
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He is one of the paid shell here on GLP
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Are you all that fucking stupid to seee that the US is Israels tit...giving them money while you fucking rot on your computers at home ????? your losing your jobs, bank bailouts, food crisis, o and your fucking 18 TRILLION debt?????

Oh Israel needs to defend its self....we gotta kill all the babies for our securtiy!!!!!!!!
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OP you are scum. Go join your muzzy brothers in the middle east.
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OP.. Your the sick fuck.. You should go to Gaza.. I hear HAMAS is looking for a few good human shields.. you are already a little brain wasded ass fuck so you will work out will for your new slave master
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Question to the forum, do you believe the above quote was made by a shill, or are there really people out there stupid enough to believe this sort of shit?
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I picked my side.. you want to be a slave to Hamas good for you..Its my right to say what I want,.. But a little bitch retard like you does not see peoples rights.. So go fuck yourself commie bitch
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And it's OP's rights to also say what he/she wants without being judged and insulted with full of hatred and bitterness you complete idiot. A little bitch retard like you does not see people's rights so stop contradicting yourself and stop supporting violence and hatred you twisted.. thing.
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They are defending themselves you braindead clown. They didn't start it but they will finish it. Enough with your liberal propaganda bullshit. It is cringe-worthy.
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Are you all that fucking stupid to seee that the US is Israels tit...giving them money while you fucking rot on your computers at home ????? your losing your jobs, bank bailouts, food crisis, o and your fucking 18 TRILLION debt?????

Oh Israel needs to defend its self....we gotta kill all the babies for our securtiy!!!!!!!!
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really.. you are a real fucking retard.. the US give alot more money to other countris that to alot of worse things then Israel.. but you are a israel hating dumb fuck and are just to retarded to realize that.. good gob ass hat
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OP.. Your the sick fuck.. You should go to Gaza.. I hear HAMAS is looking for a few good human shields.. you are already a little brain wasded ass fuck so you will work out will for your new slave master
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Question to the forum, do you believe the above quote was made by a shill, or are there really people out there stupid enough to believe this sort of shit?
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I picked my side.. you want to be a slave to Hamas good for you..Its my right to say what I want,.. But a little bitch retard like you does not see peoples rights.. So go fuck yourself commie bitch
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And it's OP's rights to also say what he/she wants without being judged and insulted with full of hatred and bitterness you complete idiot. A little bitch retard like you does not see people's rights so stop contradicting yourself and stop supporting violence and hatred you twisted.. thing.
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funny.. OP was the first to return with hateful posts.. but again you are a anti israel so you are blind to what the good retarded OP says
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Are you all that fucking stupid to seee that the US is Israels tit...giving them money while you fucking rot on your computers at home ????? your losing your jobs, bank bailouts, food crisis, o and your fucking 18 TRILLION debt?????

Oh Israel needs to defend its self....we gotta kill all the babies for our securtiy!!!!!!!!
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really.. you are a real fucking retard.. the US give alot more money to other countris that to alot of worse things then Israel.. but you are a israel hating dumb fuck and are just to retarded to realize that.. good gob ass hat
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Israel started this...they stole the land, and the arabs aka semites..have a right to defend itself.....Oh and this did not start from just a random rocket attack....

THEY FUCKING KILLED A LITTLE BOY ON THE BEACH PLAYING SOCCER...DUMB FUCK.
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PEACE FOR GAZA! hf
The world is like a ride at an amusement park. And when you choose to go on it, you think that it's real because that's how powerful our minds are. And the ride goes up and down and round and round. It has thrills and chills, and it's very brightly coloured, and it's very loud and it's fun, for a while. Some people have been on the ride for a long time, and they begin to question - is this real, or is this just a ride? And other people have remembered, and they come back to us. They say 'Hey! Don't worry, don't be afraid, ever, because, this is just a ride.' And we...kill those people. Ha ha ha. 'Shut him up! We have a lot invested in this ride. SHUT HIM UP! -Bill Hicks
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This is what Israel is really about:

Israel is an excuse, a mandate, a perpetual casus belli, and both an ideological as well as literal beachhead in the Middle East. Created and propped up by the West, in particular the US and United Kingdom, it has served as the medium through which Western foreign policy flows in and out of the Arab, and to a greater extent, the Muslim World.

It is through a carefully cultivated strategy of tension that this perpetual casus belli is maintained. Without the constant perceived fear of Israel’s demise and the “moral imperative” to prevent it, real or imagined, it would be difficult to justify Western involvement in nations that otherwise pose no perceivable threat to America or Europe. A “clash of civilizations” is likewise being created within the West itself to augment this paradigm, but it has yet to “come of age,” and still depends heavily on Israeli-Arab tensions to sustain itself.

Image: Israel does not bulldoze homes because it thinks it will eventually eliminate its enemies by doing so. To maintain a perpetual strategy of tension to justify perpetual meddling by neo-colonialists in the Middle East, Israel bulldozes homes specifically to create more enemies. To think otherwise, would be to falsely assume Israel’s current leadership is actually invested in the self-preservation of the nation-state. They are not.


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GET YOUR HEADS OUT OF YOUR BIBLES...AND STUDY THE ROOTS OF ZIONISM AND CHRISTIAN ZIONISM....YOUR ISRAELS BAIT AND ENABLER.
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Are you all that fucking stupid to seee that the US is Israels tit...giving them money while you fucking rot on your computers at home ????? your losing your jobs, bank bailouts, food crisis, o and your fucking 18 TRILLION debt?????

Oh Israel needs to defend its self....we gotta kill all the babies for our securtiy!!!!!!!!
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really.. you are a real fucking retard.. the US give alot more money to other countris that to alot of worse things then Israel.. but you are a israel hating dumb fuck and are just to retarded to realize that.. good gob ass hat
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Israel started this...they stole the land, and the arabs aka semites..have a right to defend itself.....Oh and this did not start from just a random rocket attack....

THEY FUCKING KILLED A LITTLE BOY ON THE BEACH PLAYING SOCCER...DUMB FUCK.

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Eh no, the Arab squatters stole it you lying hypocrite. And please provide a link for that unsubstantiated claim.
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Are you all that fucking stupid to seee that the US is Israels tit...giving them money while you fucking rot on your computers at home ????? your losing your jobs, bank bailouts, food crisis, o and your fucking 18 TRILLION debt?????

Oh Israel needs to defend its self....we gotta kill all the babies for our securtiy!!!!!!!!
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really.. you are a real fucking retard.. the US give alot more money to other countris that to alot of worse things then Israel.. but you are a israel hating dumb fuck and are just to retarded to realize that.. good gob ass hat
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 816818


Israel started this...they stole the land, and the arabs aka semites..have a right to defend itself.....Oh and this did not start from just a random rocket attack....

THEY FUCKING KILLED A LITTLE BOY ON THE BEACH PLAYING SOCCER...DUMB FUCK.
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I bet they did.. and you where standing on the beach when this happend and watched it all? or you just believing whats coming out of Gaza.. W/E good muzzie slave.. Hamas prob killed him and used it to start there attacks.. Good little slave.. Glad you can think outside the box.. Let me guess HAMAS would NEVER do anything like that..
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Are you all that fucking stupid to seee that the US is Israels tit...giving them money while you fucking rot on your computers at home ????? your losing your jobs, bank bailouts, food crisis, o and your fucking 18 TRILLION debt?????

Oh Israel needs to defend its self....we gotta kill all the babies for our securtiy!!!!!!!!
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really.. you are a real fucking retard.. the US give alot more money to other countris that to alot of worse things then Israel.. but you are a israel hating dumb fuck and are just to retarded to realize that.. good gob ass hat
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 816818


Israel started this...they stole the land, and the arabs aka semites..have a right to defend itself.....Oh and this did not start from just a random rocket attack....

THEY FUCKING KILLED A LITTLE BOY ON THE BEACH PLAYING SOCCER...DUMB FUCK.

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Eh no, the Arab squatters stole it you lying hypocrite. And please provide a link for that unsubstantiated claim.
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DO YOUR OWN FUCKING HOMEWORK...LAZY FUCK.
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Are you all that fucking stupid to seee that the US is Israels tit...giving them money while you fucking rot on your computers at home ????? your losing your jobs, bank bailouts, food crisis, o and your fucking 18 TRILLION debt?????

Oh Israel needs to defend its self....we gotta kill all the babies for our securtiy!!!!!!!!
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really.. you are a real fucking retard.. the US give alot more money to other countris that to alot of worse things then Israel.. but you are a israel hating dumb fuck and are just to retarded to realize that.. good gob ass hat
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 816818


Israel started this...they stole the land, and the arabs aka semites..have a right to defend itself.....Oh and this did not start from just a random rocket attack....

THEY FUCKING KILLED A LITTLE BOY ON THE BEACH PLAYING SOCCER...DUMB FUCK.
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For fuck sake! Hamas strap dynamite on their kids or use them as human shields - Hamas doesn't need Israel to kill 'LITTLE BOY' - they do a perfectly fine job on their own!1rof1
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really.. you are a real fucking retard.. the US give alot more money to other countris that to alot of worse things then Israel.. but you are a israel hating dumb fuck and are just to retarded to realize that.. good gob ass hat
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Israel started this...they stole the land, and the arabs aka semites..have a right to defend itself.....Oh and this did not start from just a random rocket attack....

THEY FUCKING KILLED A LITTLE BOY ON THE BEACH PLAYING SOCCER...DUMB FUCK.

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Eh no, the Arab squatters stole it you lying hypocrite. And please provide a link for that unsubstantiated claim.
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DO YOUR OWN FUCKING HOMEWORK...LAZY FUCK.
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I knew you were a lying fuck.
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Are you all that fucking stupid to seee that the US is Israels tit...giving them money while you fucking rot on your computers at home ????? your losing your jobs, bank bailouts, food crisis, o and your fucking 18 TRILLION debt?????

Oh Israel needs to defend its self....we gotta kill all the babies for our securtiy!!!!!!!!
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really.. you are a real fucking retard.. the US give alot more money to other countris that to alot of worse things then Israel.. but you are a israel hating dumb fuck and are just to retarded to realize that.. good gob ass hat
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 816818


Israel started this...they stole the land, and the arabs aka semites..have a right to defend itself.....Oh and this did not start from just a random rocket attack....

THEY FUCKING KILLED A LITTLE BOY ON THE BEACH PLAYING SOCCER...DUMB FUCK.
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For fuck sake! Hamas strap dynamite on their kids or use them as human shields - Hamas doesn't need Israel to kill 'LITTLE BOY' - they do a perfectly fine job on their own!1rof1
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YOU ARE SO MISINFORMED. SAD...
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OP.. Your the sick fuck.. You should go to Gaza.. I hear HAMAS is looking for a few good human shields.. you are already a little brain wasded ass fuck so you will work out will for your new slave master
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Right,

"I hear HAMAS is looking for a few good human shields"

I've seen that exact post here a couple of times today, are you all fed cue-cards from here:

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Are you saving up points in the hope that they'll make you 'jew for a day'. They won't.
I don't think so,
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vying with those who you've traded your life to to bless your soul,

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