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I have recently come to the realization that many of the people I deal with on a daily basis have no conscience. From the sample size of people I deal with, I would estimate it as 25%.

Perhaps this number is large because these people seem to be attracted to me. They seem to view my kindness as a weakness, and in the past have used it to manipulate the shit out of me.

The characteristics I have observed are: Manipulative, Liars, Shameless/Guiltless, persistent, and establishment loving.

Manipulative: They seem to never want to do anything for themselves unless it involves directing people. They use guilt trips and other clever tools to get people to do what they want.

Liars: They Lie to get people to do what they want as a last resort tool for manipulation.

Shameless/Guiltless: They will do anything to manipulate someone, so long as it does not “blow their cover”, and even when their “cover is blown” they will shamelessly get out of it with Lies.

Persistent: You say no to them, they ask again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again…This also fits in with being shameless.

Establishment Loving: They seem to love People of “importance” and love to enforce mainstream opinion.

Even if this number of 25% is subject to a lot of error, I think that the fact that people with no conscience exist even at 1% says something about our society.

That means that 1 out of 100 people would be able to manipulate the other 99 people to their establishment favoring agenda. From there it is easy to see why our society is so easy to control.
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yup. thats why i got rid of a shitload of useless friends and acquaintaces back in 2011. i don't need to work, so luckily i don't have to worry about co-worker bullshit.

many people are devolving into an even worse state of existence.

the liars are the worst, especially when you call them out on it and they still deny it. its sad.
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sociopaths... google it
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they hide behind the scenes and post your info trust that one
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sociopaths... google it
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Yes I am aware of te term and much of the DSM for mental stuff
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If we all could live without work, we'd all be alot happier.

Most people hate the people they work with, and would never associate with them if it weren't for the need to get paid...
Propaganda has to be popular and has to accommodate itself to the comprehension of the least intelligent of those whom it seeks to reach...
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yup. thats why i got rid of a shitload of useless friends and acquaintaces back in 2011. i don't need to work, so luckily i don't have to worry about co-worker bullshit.

many people are devolving into an even worse state of existence.

the liars are the worst, especially when you call them out on it and they still deny it. its sad.
 Quoting: mk ultra 5813027


The thing I can't fucking stand, when people lie right to your face and you just can't proove it.

Like somebody says I've been awake for 5 days. You can't prove otherwise, but you know its bull shit.
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yup. thats why i got rid of a shitload of useless friends and acquaintaces back in 2011. i don't need to work, so luckily i don't have to worry about co-worker bullshit.

many people are devolving into an even worse state of existence.

the liars are the worst, especially when you call them out on it and they still deny it. its sad.
 Quoting: mk ultra 5813027


Me too. Also I don't need to work, but I am manipulated into it by manipulated obligations. If I quit my job right now, It would devistate/perhapse end a business, costing nice people their jobs that they need.
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yup. thats why i got rid of a shitload of useless friends and acquaintaces back in 2011. i don't need to work, so luckily i don't have to worry about co-worker bullshit.

many people are devolving into an even worse state of existence.

the liars are the worst, especially when you call them out on it and they still deny it. its sad.
 Quoting: mk ultra 5813027


Me too. Also I don't need to work, but I am manipulated into it by manipulated obligations. If I quit my job right now, It would devistate/perhapse end a business, costing nice people their jobs that they need.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28204619


Give them all a shit load of money then, and they wont take it so bad.
Propaganda has to be popular and has to accommodate itself to the comprehension of the least intelligent of those whom it seeks to reach...
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If we all could live without work, we'd all be alot happier.

Most people hate the people they work with, and would never associate with them if it weren't for the need to get paid...
 Quoting: GeordieLegend


That why I work for myself growing my own food and such.

But again.. the manipulators found me and have manipulated me into working.
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yup. thats why i got rid of a shitload of useless friends and acquaintaces back in 2011. i don't need to work, so luckily i don't have to worry about co-worker bullshit.

many people are devolving into an even worse state of existence.

the liars are the worst, especially when you call them out on it and they still deny it. its sad.
 Quoting: mk ultra 5813027


The thing I can't fucking stand, when people lie right to your face and you just can't proove it.

Like somebody says I've been awake for 5 days. You can't prove otherwise, but you know its bull shit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28205985


Totally.

MY "employers" lie right to my face all the time. Things are always soooo urgent. they need it solved right away! omomgomg... I look at the actual due date and its like 3 months away lol.

Fuck them and their shamless underdeveloped conscience.
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yup. thats why i got rid of a shitload of useless friends and acquaintaces back in 2011. i don't need to work, so luckily i don't have to worry about co-worker bullshit.

many people are devolving into an even worse state of existence.

the liars are the worst, especially when you call them out on it and they still deny it. its sad.
 Quoting: mk ultra 5813027


The thing I can't fucking stand, when people lie right to your face and you just can't proove it.

Like somebody says I've been awake for 5 days. You can't prove otherwise, but you know its bull shit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28205985


you have to have a really good memory to be a good liar.

liars (sociopaths) often recruit others to back up their lies. Always follow your gut instincts about people and what the tell you, or what they neglect to tell you.

having an excellent memory can be a curse if you have been known to be caught in a little white lie or two... just a little tell tale sign that sometimes the simple, stupid people are more trustworthy.
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yup. thats why i got rid of a shitload of useless friends and acquaintaces back in 2011. i don't need to work, so luckily i don't have to worry about co-worker bullshit.

many people are devolving into an even worse state of existence.

the liars are the worst, especially when you call them out on it and they still deny it. its sad.
 Quoting: mk ultra 5813027


Me too. Also I don't need to work, but I am manipulated into it by manipulated obligations. If I quit my job right now, It would devistate/perhapse end a business, costing nice people their jobs that they need.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28204619


Give them all a shit load of money then, and they wont take it so bad.
 Quoting: GeordieLegend


I'm not rich. I just don't need to work.

I wouldn't mind working If there were a nice healthy job around tho.
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yup. thats why i got rid of a shitload of useless friends and acquaintaces back in 2011. i don't need to work, so luckily i don't have to worry about co-worker bullshit.

many people are devolving into an even worse state of existence.

the liars are the worst, especially when you call them out on it and they still deny it. its sad.
 Quoting: mk ultra 5813027


The thing I can't fucking stand, when people lie right to your face and you just can't proove it.

Like somebody says I've been awake for 5 days. You can't prove otherwise, but you know its bull shit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28205985


Totally.

MY "employers" lie right to my face all the time. Things are always soooo urgent. they need it solved right away! omomgomg... I look at the actual due date and its like 3 months away lol.

Fuck them and their shamless underdeveloped conscience.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28204619



you simply "yes sir" everyone to death and go at your own pace.

5a
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four ways to get someone to do what you want

1. FORCE.
-You have the physical force to make the option of Not doing what you want them to do, more unpleasant then doing what you want them to do.

2. NEGOTIATION
- You have something they want, so you can offer it to get them to do what you want. A win-win situation. This is what our society strives for. To get the most win-win situations.

3. Philosophical ARGUMENT
-You don't have anything to offer. But you believe that the thing you want them to do will be in their best interest, and they would do it, if you can provide enough credible evidence of this to make them believe it.

4. MANIPULATION

-You are not strong enough to Force them
-You have nothing you can or are willing to trade them
-The thing you want them to do is not in their best-interest

So you alter the environment, or their beliefs, so that this thing now SEEMS to be in their best self-interst.

So manipulators are weaker than you. Have nothing to offer you. And are definitely going to attempt to get you to do something that will result in a negative for you.

And sometimes, they are just manipulating you for practice. So they can manipulate someone else in the future.
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yup. thats why i got rid of a shitload of useless friends and acquaintaces back in 2011. i don't need to work, so luckily i don't have to worry about co-worker bullshit.

many people are devolving into an even worse state of existence.

the liars are the worst, especially when you call them out on it and they still deny it. its sad.
 Quoting: mk ultra 5813027


The thing I can't fucking stand, when people lie right to your face and you just can't proove it.

Like somebody says I've been awake for 5 days. You can't prove otherwise, but you know its bull shit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28205985


you have to have a really good memory to be a good liar.

liars (sociopaths) often recruit others to back up their lies. Always follow your gut instincts about people and what the tell you, or what they neglect to tell you.

having an excellent memory can be a curse if you have been known to be caught in a little white lie or two... just a little tell tale sign that sometimes the simple, stupid people are more trustworthy.
 Quoting: mk ultra 5813027


Thing is (I am about to brag) I am smart. I have more brains than my manipulators have. I see through their simple mind games, yet I cannot overcome them.

How annoying eh?
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yup. thats why i got rid of a shitload of useless friends and acquaintaces back in 2011. i don't need to work, so luckily i don't have to worry about co-worker bullshit.

many people are devolving into an even worse state of existence.

the liars are the worst, especially when you call them out on it and they still deny it. its sad.
 Quoting: mk ultra 5813027


Me too. Also I don't need to work, but I am manipulated into it by manipulated obligations. If I quit my job right now, It would devistate/perhapse end a business, costing nice people their jobs that they need.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28204619


Give them all a shit load of money then, and they wont take it so bad.
 Quoting: GeordieLegend


I'm not rich. I just don't need to work.

I wouldn't mind working If there were a nice healthy job around tho.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28204619

I feel the same way. I am focusing on my art right now, but some day I may go back into some sort of job with people, lol. for now I am enjoying this break from the insanity called the workplace.
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yup. thats why i got rid of a shitload of useless friends and acquaintaces back in 2011. i don't need to work, so luckily i don't have to worry about co-worker bullshit.

many people are devolving into an even worse state of existence.

the liars are the worst, especially when you call them out on it and they still deny it. its sad.
 Quoting: mk ultra 5813027


The thing I can't fucking stand, when people lie right to your face and you just can't proove it.

Like somebody says I've been awake for 5 days. You can't prove otherwise, but you know its bull shit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28205985


you have to have a really good memory to be a good liar.

liars (sociopaths) often recruit others to back up their lies. Always follow your gut instincts about people and what the tell you, or what they neglect to tell you.

having an excellent memory can be a curse if you have been known to be caught in a little white lie or two... just a little tell tale sign that sometimes the simple, stupid people are more trustworthy.
 Quoting: mk ultra 5813027


Thing is (I am about to brag) I am smart. I have more brains than my manipulators have. I see through their simple mind games, yet I cannot overcome them.

How annoying eh?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28204619


no, I am sure you are smart. You have to be smart and sharp to see the lies sometimes. Its just that the pathological, psycho liars are smart too, and more than anything, they get off on controlling and manipulating situations.
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Re: Manipulative people
four ways to get someone to do what you want

1. FORCE.
-You have the physical force to make the option of Not doing what you want them to do, more unpleasant then doing what you want them to do.

2. NEGOTIATION
- You have something they want, so you can offer it to get them to do what you want. A win-win situation. This is what our society strives for. To get the most win-win situations.

3. Philosophical ARGUMENT
-You don't have anything to offer. But you believe that the thing you want them to do will be in their best interest, and they would do it, if you can provide enough credible evidence of this to make them believe it.

4. MANIPULATION

-You are not strong enough to Force them
-You have nothing you can or are willing to trade them
-The thing you want them to do is not in their best-interest

So you alter the environment, or their beliefs, so that this thing now SEEMS to be in their best self-interst.

So manipulators are weaker than you. Have nothing to offer you. And are definitely going to attempt to get you to do something that will result in a negative for you.

And sometimes, they are just manipulating you for practice. So they can manipulate someone else in the future.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21926154


F*** those weak little manipulating underdeveloped souls.

Yea its funny: something can be very minor, yet they will still manipulate it,as if for practice.
mk ultra
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four ways to get someone to do what you want

1. FORCE.
-You have the physical force to make the option of Not doing what you want them to do, more unpleasant then doing what you want them to do.

2. NEGOTIATION
- You have something they want, so you can offer it to get them to do what you want. A win-win situation. This is what our society strives for. To get the most win-win situations.

3. Philosophical ARGUMENT
-You don't have anything to offer. But you believe that the thing you want them to do will be in their best interest, and they would do it, if you can provide enough credible evidence of this to make them believe it.

4. MANIPULATION

-You are not strong enough to Force them
-You have nothing you can or are willing to trade them
-The thing you want them to do is not in their best-interest

So you alter the environment, or their beliefs, so that this thing now SEEMS to be in their best self-interst.

So manipulators are weaker than you. Have nothing to offer you. And are definitely going to attempt to get you to do something that will result in a negative for you.

And sometimes, they are just manipulating you for practice. So they can manipulate someone else in the future.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21926154


don't forget MK ULTRA-ing them... lol.
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A third of the wheat field is tares. And they shall burn... Joints.
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Me too. Also I don't need to work, but I am manipulated into it by manipulated obligations. If I quit my job right now, It would devistate/perhapse end a business, costing nice people their jobs that they need.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28204619


Give them all a shit load of money then, and they wont take it so bad.
 Quoting: GeordieLegend


I'm not rich. I just don't need to work.

I wouldn't mind working If there were a nice healthy job around tho.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28204619

I feel the same way. I am focusing on my art right now, but some day I may go back into some sort of job with people, lol. for now I am enjoying this break from the insanity called the workplace.
 Quoting: mk ultra 5813027


same. jsut wato be a artist. But these assholes sap all my creative energy on a daily basis
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The hard thing is though, when you have a family to feed and provide for.

Being smart won't pay a mortgage, nor put food in their stomachs.

Sometimes we have to conform, for the sake of the ones we love.
Propaganda has to be popular and has to accommodate itself to the comprehension of the least intelligent of those whom it seeks to reach...
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four ways to get someone to do what you want

1. FORCE.
-You have the physical force to make the option of Not doing what you want them to do, more unpleasant then doing what you want them to do.

2. NEGOTIATION
- You have something they want, so you can offer it to get them to do what you want. A win-win situation. This is what our society strives for. To get the most win-win situations.

3. Philosophical ARGUMENT
-You don't have anything to offer. But you believe that the thing you want them to do will be in their best interest, and they would do it, if you can provide enough credible evidence of this to make them believe it.

4. MANIPULATION

-You are not strong enough to Force them
-You have nothing you can or are willing to trade them
-The thing you want them to do is not in their best-interest

So you alter the environment, or their beliefs, so that this thing now SEEMS to be in their best self-interst.

So manipulators are weaker than you. Have nothing to offer you. And are definitely going to attempt to get you to do something that will result in a negative for you.

And sometimes, they are just manipulating you for practice. So they can manipulate someone else in the future.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21926154


don't forget MK ULTRA-ing them... lol.
 Quoting: mk ultra 5813027


hahahahaa yes.
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The construction industry is full of them...I deal with these people all day.
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The hard thing is though, when you have a family to feed and provide for.

Being smart won't pay a mortgage, nor put food in their stomachs.

Sometimes we have to conform, for the sake of the ones we love.
 Quoting: GeordieLegend


basically.

And is that not the biggest manipulation of all? We have no ability to go out and clame a square mile of land to raise our family on. We are stuck in little boxes and forced to go to one source for a living.
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The construction industry is full of them...I deal with these people all day.
 Quoting: Integrity101


food industry here
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yup. thats why i got rid of a shitload of useless friends and acquaintaces back in 2011. i don't need to work, so luckily i don't have to worry about co-worker bullshit.

many people are devolving into an even worse state of existence.

the liars are the worst, especially when you call them out on it and they still deny it. its sad.
 Quoting: mk ultra 5813027


The thing I can't fucking stand, when people lie right to your face and you just can't proove it.

Like somebody says I've been awake for 5 days. You can't prove otherwise, but you know its bull shit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28205985


you have to have a really good memory to be a good liar.

liars (sociopaths) often recruit others to back up their lies. Always follow your gut instincts about people and what the tell you, or what they neglect to tell you.

having an excellent memory can be a curse if you have been known to be caught in a little white lie or two... just a little tell tale sign that sometimes the simple, stupid people are more trustworthy.
 Quoting: mk ultra 5813027


Thing is (I am about to brag) I am smart. I have more brains than my manipulators have. I see through their simple mind games, yet I cannot overcome them.

How annoying eh?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28204619


Manipulating people are usually good at grabbing the favor of a group of people. Stacking the odds against integrity.
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The construction industry is full of them...I deal with these people all day.
 Quoting: Integrity101


food industry here
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wow i just spelled "claim" as "clame"
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The construction industry is full of them...I deal with these people all day.
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food industry here
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28204619


wow i just spelled "claim" as "clame"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28204619


Calamity! cool2
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Manipulating people are usually good at grabbing the favor of a group of people. Stacking the odds against integrity.
 Quoting: Integrity101


exactly why even 1/100 manipulative people is dangerous.

How do we get rid of them

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