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Integrity101

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11/21/2012 09:22 AM

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Manipulating people are usually good at grabbing the favor of a group of people. Stacking the odds against integrity.
 Quoting: Integrity101


exactly why even 1/100 manipulative people is dangerous.

How do we get rid of them
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28204619


Look straight into their eyes (almost through them) and portray the thought of "I know what you are doing, you will fail in the end behaving this way". I don't know if that makes sense...but it can work if you interact with a particular manipulator a lot.
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The hard thing is though, when you have a family to feed and provide for.

Being smart won't pay a mortgage, nor put food in their stomachs.

Sometimes we have to conform, for the sake of the ones we love.
 Quoting: GeordieLegend


basically.

And is that not the biggest manipulation of all? We have no ability to go out and clame a square mile of land to raise our family on. We are stuck in little boxes and forced to go to one source for a living.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28204619


Who gave the governments the right to own the land? Why should we have to buy land from the government..?

Surely we all have an equal claim to it. Like the air we breathe...
Propaganda has to be popular and has to accommodate itself to the comprehension of the least intelligent of those whom it seeks to reach...
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Manipulating people are usually good at grabbing the favor of a group of people. Stacking the odds against integrity.
 Quoting: Integrity101


exactly why even 1/100 manipulative people is dangerous.

How do we get rid of them
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28204619


Look straight into their eyes (almost through them) and portray the thought of "I know what you are doing, you will fail in the end behaving this way". I don't know if that makes sense...but it can work if you interact with a particular manipulator a lot.
 Quoting: Integrity101


Defiance, I like it. I have sorta done that. They react to it by sucking up to me. buttering me up. it is strange.
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The hard thing is though, when you have a family to feed and provide for.

Being smart won't pay a mortgage, nor put food in their stomachs.

Sometimes we have to conform, for the sake of the ones we love.
 Quoting: GeordieLegend


basically.

And is that not the biggest manipulation of all? We have no ability to go out and clame a square mile of land to raise our family on. We are stuck in little boxes and forced to go to one source for a living.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28204619


Who gave the governments the right to own the land? Why should we have to buy land from the government..?

Surely we all have an equal claim to it. Like the air we breathe...
 Quoting: GeordieLegend


they will tax/take our air too if we allow ourselves to be manipulated at a personal level.

Think of it like a fractal.

If we all defy manipulation at a p[ersonal level, it should trickle up to the top of the pyramid.
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Manipulating people are usually good at grabbing the favor of a group of people. Stacking the odds against integrity.
 Quoting: Integrity101


exactly why even 1/100 manipulative people is dangerous.

How do we get rid of them
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28204619


Look straight into their eyes (almost through them) and portray the thought of "I know what you are doing, you will fail in the end behaving this way". I don't know if that makes sense...but it can work if you interact with a particular manipulator a lot.
 Quoting: Integrity101


Defiance, I like it. I have sorta done that. They react to it by sucking up to me. buttering me up. it is strange.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28204619


Exactly...if they cannot fool you or gain the favor of the majority they will switch to pity or behaving as a victim. Do not fall for this either, maintain your internal defiance against the manipulation and portray the attitude of "lets work together and compromise" is a better way to go here...
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exactly why even 1/100 manipulative people is dangerous.

How do we get rid of them
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28204619


Look straight into their eyes (almost through them) and portray the thought of "I know what you are doing, you will fail in the end behaving this way". I don't know if that makes sense...but it can work if you interact with a particular manipulator a lot.
 Quoting: Integrity101


Defiance, I like it. I have sorta done that. They react to it by sucking up to me. buttering me up. it is strange.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28204619


Exactly...if they cannot fool you or gain the favor of the majority they will switch to pity or behaving as a victim. Do not fall for this either, maintain your internal defiance against the manipulation and portray the attitude of "lets work together and compromise" is a better way to go here...
 Quoting: Integrity101


I met a man the other day, who was dealing with my "employer" masterfully. He used that "lets work together and comprimise" method. I am working on that, I can do it somewhat. I would prefer to just tell them to flat out fuck off, but the result would hurt my family.

Actually I did flat out defy a manipulator once. He got pissed. Gave me silent treatment. I asked him, "what the hell is up your ass? "

He then resorted to excuses and buttering me up.. no apologies, no shame.

Its so strange. you either have to compromise or get the fuck outa there. no winning. only compromizing.
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11/21/2012 09:47 AM
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Most talk here about their jobs.......but I have a family member that is that way. They have caused a HUGE rift in the family. I've have always seen this person as manipulative but others never did. Some eyes are now opened but others are not. But what do you do? They are your blood?
Integrity101

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11/21/2012 09:53 AM

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Look straight into their eyes (almost through them) and portray the thought of "I know what you are doing, you will fail in the end behaving this way". I don't know if that makes sense...but it can work if you interact with a particular manipulator a lot.
 Quoting: Integrity101


Defiance, I like it. I have sorta done that. They react to it by sucking up to me. buttering me up. it is strange.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28204619


Exactly...if they cannot fool you or gain the favor of the majority they will switch to pity or behaving as a victim. Do not fall for this either, maintain your internal defiance against the manipulation and portray the attitude of "lets work together and compromise" is a better way to go here...
 Quoting: Integrity101


I met a man the other day, who was dealing with my "employer" masterfully. He used that "lets work together and comprimise" method. I am working on that, I can do it somewhat. I would prefer to just tell them to flat out fuck off, but the result would hurt my family.

Actually I did flat out defy a manipulator once. He got pissed. Gave me silent treatment. I asked him, "what the hell is up your ass? "

He then resorted to excuses and buttering me up.. no apologies, no shame.

Its so strange. you either have to compromise or get the fuck outa there. no winning. only compromizing.
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Indeed. In the workplace this is the only effective method I have found.
Integrity101

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Most talk here about their jobs.......but I have a family member that is that way. They have caused a HUGE rift in the family. I've have always seen this person as manipulative but others never did. Some eyes are now opened but others are not. But what do you do? They are your blood?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9966035


That is really sad. Unfortunately the same still applies to dealing with family members who are manipulative. Tough love if you will...
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11/21/2012 09:56 AM
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Most talk here about their jobs.......but I have a family member that is that way. They have caused a HUGE rift in the family. I've have always seen this person as manipulative but others never did. Some eyes are now opened but others are not. But what do you do? They are your blood?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9966035


That is really sad. Unfortunately the same still applies to dealing with family members who are manipulative. Tough love if you will...
 Quoting: Integrity101


It's been heart-breaking. I hope they can change their ways but I don't see it happening.
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11/21/2012 10:03 AM
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Most talk here about their jobs.......but I have a family member that is that way. They have caused a HUGE rift in the family. I've have always seen this person as manipulative but others never did. Some eyes are now opened but others are not. But what do you do? They are your blood?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9966035


My sister may marry in to a manipulative family :(

Its sad.

She is aware of it though.
Integrity101

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Most talk here about their jobs.......but I have a family member that is that way. They have caused a HUGE rift in the family. I've have always seen this person as manipulative but others never did. Some eyes are now opened but others are not. But what do you do? They are your blood?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9966035


That is really sad. Unfortunately the same still applies to dealing with family members who are manipulative. Tough love if you will...
 Quoting: Integrity101


It's been heart-breaking. I hope they can change their ways but I don't see it happening.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9966035


If you don't mind me asking. In what way are they manipulating? What are they trying to get out of being manipulative?
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Most talk here about their jobs.......but I have a family member that is that way. They have caused a HUGE rift in the family. I've have always seen this person as manipulative but others never did. Some eyes are now opened but others are not. But what do you do? They are your blood?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9966035


That is really sad. Unfortunately the same still applies to dealing with family members who are manipulative. Tough love if you will...
 Quoting: Integrity101


It's been heart-breaking. I hope they can change their ways but I don't see it happening.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9966035


:hug:
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If you think of the forces of opposition as enemy, then you have given them a victory. If you come to hate or revile them, then their work has been completed according to their intent. If you fear their realms, their thoughts, their works, or any aspect of same, you have empowered them.
It is a time for you to consider, Where are the references for my peace? Are they without or within?
Integrity101

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If you think of the forces of opposition as enemy, then you have given them a victory. If you come to hate or revile them, then their work has been completed according to their intent. If you fear their realms, their thoughts, their works, or any aspect of same, you have empowered them.
It is a time for you to consider, Where are the references for my peace? Are they without or within?
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clappa
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If you think of the forces of opposition as enemy, then you have given them a victory. If you come to hate or revile them, then their work has been completed according to their intent. If you fear their realms, their thoughts, their works, or any aspect of same, you have empowered them.
It is a time for you to consider, Where are the references for my peace? Are they without or within?
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hmmm

I wouldn't say I hate these people. Is there anything inside them to hate?

can I "hate" a cardboard box?
Integrity101

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If you think of the forces of opposition as enemy, then you have given them a victory. If you come to hate or revile them, then their work has been completed according to their intent. If you fear their realms, their thoughts, their works, or any aspect of same, you have empowered them.
It is a time for you to consider, Where are the references for my peace? Are they without or within?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28210980


hmmm

I wouldn't say I hate these people. Is there anything inside them to hate?

can I "hate" a cardboard box?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28204619


1rof1




Big man, pig man, ha ha charade you are.
You well heeled big wheel, ha ha charade you are.
And when your hand is on your heart,
you're nearly a good laugh, almost a joker,
with your head down in the pig bin,
saying, " Keep on digging", pig stain on your fat chin.
What do you hope to find, when you're down in the pig mine?
You're nearly a laugh, you're nearly a laugh,
but you're really a cry.
Bus stop rat bag, ha ha charade you are.
You fucked up old hag, ha ha charade you are.
You radiate cold shafts of broken glass.
You're nearly a good laugh, almost worth a quick grin.
You like the feel of steel, you're hot stuff with a hat pin,
and good fun with a hand gun.
You're nearly a laugh, you're nearly a laugh,
but you're really a cry.

Hey you, Whitehouse, ha ha charade you are.
You house proud town mouse, ha ha charade you are.
You're trying to keep our feelings off the street,
you're nearly a real treat, all tight lips and cold feet,
and do you feel abused?

You gotta stem the evil tide,
and keep it all on the inside.
Mary, you're nearly a treat, Mary, you're nearly a treat,
but you're really a cry.
Read more at [link to www.songmeanings.net]
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I am curious. Are there any people on here that Like to manipulate people? I would like to hear what they have to say.

I want to study you please.
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yup. thats why i got rid of a shitload of useless friends and acquaintaces back in 2011. i don't need to work, so luckily i don't have to worry about co-worker bullshit.

many people are devolving into an even worse state of existence.

the liars are the worst, especially when you call them out on it and they still deny it. its sad.
 Quoting: mk ultra 5813027


The thing I can't fucking stand, when people lie right to your face and you just can't proove it.

Like somebody says I've been awake for 5 days. You can't prove otherwise, but you know its bull shit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28205985


you have to have a really good memory to be a good liar.

liars (sociopaths) often recruit others to back up their lies. Always follow your gut instincts about people and what the tell you, or what they neglect to tell you.

having an excellent memory can be a curse if you have been known to be caught in a little white lie or two... just a little tell tale sign that sometimes the simple, stupid people are more trustworthy.
 Quoting: mk ultra 5813027


So true ^
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Most talk here about their jobs.......but I have a family member that is that way. They have caused a HUGE rift in the family. I've have always seen this person as manipulative but others never did. Some eyes are now opened but others are not. But what do you do? They are your blood?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9966035


That is really sad. Unfortunately the same still applies to dealing with family members who are manipulative. Tough love if you will...
 Quoting: Integrity101


It's been heart-breaking. I hope they can change their ways but I don't see it happening.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9966035


If you don't mind me asking. In what way are they manipulating? What are they trying to get out of being manipulative?
 Quoting: Integrity101


1) Parental love that they feel they never got........even though they are very loved and always have been. There is MUCH sibling rivalry. Turning family members against other family members and turning them against their parents.

2) Control freak...........all situations have to turn out the way that they want it to. This person is truly masterful because they have been able to do this numerous amounts of time. Through lies, brain washing, and pure charm.

It is quite scary when I think about it.
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They might even be more than 25%. I mean the people with no conscience. Not all of them are so obvoious, not all of them are excessive liars and manipulators. But what i'm noticing is their total acceptance (Or active approval) of evil doings and evil philosophies. It mind-blowing. Even when someone (Person or entity, let's say corporation or political party) is OBVIOUSLY on the dark side and acting/thinking obviously immoral, most people would still act like "oh cool" or "oh that's totally not a big deal". These people can't be right in the head, they are no less fucked up than the real psychos doing all the evil stuff
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They might even be more than 25%. I mean the people with no conscience. Not all of them are so obvoious, not all of them are excessive liars and manipulators. But what i'm noticing is their total acceptance (Or active approval) of evil doings and evil philosophies. It mind-blowing. Even when someone (Person or entity, let's say corporation or political party) is OBVIOUSLY on the dark side and acting/thinking obviously immoral, most people would still act like "oh cool" or "oh that's totally not a big deal". These people can't be right in the head, they are no less fucked up than the real psychos doing all the evil stuff
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 428255


I agree. In my personal opinion I Like to think that "real" people are the minority. or at least half.

I just can't be sure.. jsut have a feeling tho when i see sheeple.
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Thing is (I am about to brag) I am smart. I have more brains than my manipulators have. I see through their simple mind games, yet I cannot overcome them.

How annoying eh?
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Could probably because you're too kind. You can not refrain from helping people who ask for your help. Be kind to those who really deserve kindness because they have big heart to help you or others when needed, but be firm and assertive to those who's manipulative. In one book "the Art of Manipulation"(R. B. Sparkman), it was taught to always trade your kindness with those manipulators, never ever give your kindness freely to manupulators. That way, they'll respect you instead of thinking of you as an easy prey to be taken advantage of. When they persistently ask for your kindness, tell them to pay an equal amount of your kindness, no need to be in the form of money, but something like painting your house or if you can, make them pay more than what they get from you. Use time delay tactics, don't help immediately even if you can. Make them wait. The key point is: meke'em pay, then they'll respect you and leave you alone if they are not physically thuggish enough.

Being kind doesn't always mean to be helpful all the time. I used to have this wrong concept of kindness. Letting yourself to be abused is not kindness, it is encouraging others to be abuser.
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They might even be more than 25%. I mean the people with no conscience. Not all of them are so obvoious, not all of them are excessive liars and manipulators. But what i'm noticing is their total acceptance (Or active approval) of evil doings and evil philosophies. It mind-blowing. Even when someone (Person or entity, let's say corporation or political party) is OBVIOUSLY on the dark side and acting/thinking obviously immoral, most people would still act like "oh cool" or "oh that's totally not a big deal". These people can't be right in the head, they are no less fucked up than the real psychos doing all the evil stuff
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 428255


Yes, many people go along with deceitful agendas and behaviors created/promoted by others. This is very true. I have personally struggled with not giving into this temptation as it would benefit me in business...I probably do not excel financially as much as I could if I were a manipulator. But I am okay with this, as I feel it would compromise my integrity. And that I WILL NOT do. Immoral business practices/behavior are so abundant in my industry that I am going to leave it when I can figure out how to pay the bills doing something I enjoy more.
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Thing is (I am about to brag) I am smart. I have more brains than my manipulators have. I see through their simple mind games, yet I cannot overcome them.

How annoying eh?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28204619

Could probably because you're too kind. You can not refrain from helping people who ask for your help. Be kind to those who really deserve kindness because they have big heart to help you or others when needed, but be firm and assertive to those who's manipulative. In one book "the Art of Manipulation"(R. B. Sparkman), it was taught to always trade your kindness with those manipulators, never ever give your kindness freely to manupulators. That way, they'll respect you instead of thinking of you as an easy prey to be taken advantage of. When they persistently ask for your kindness, tell them to pay an equal amount of your kindness, no need to be in the form of money, but something like painting your house or if you can, make them pay more than what they get from you. Use time delay tactics, don't help immediately even if you can. Make them wait. The key point is: meke'em pay, then they'll respect you and leave you alone if they are not physically thuggish enough.

Being kind doesn't always mean to be helpful all the time. I used to have this wrong concept of kindness. Letting yourself to be abused is not kindness, it is encouraging others to be abuser.
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Wise words.
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Thing is (I am about to brag) I am smart. I have more brains than my manipulators have. I see through their simple mind games, yet I cannot overcome them.

How annoying eh?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28204619

Could probably because you're too kind. You can not refrain from helping people who ask for your help. Be kind to those who really deserve kindness because they have big heart to help you or others when needed, but be firm and assertive to those who's manipulative. In one book "the Art of Manipulation"(R. B. Sparkman), it was taught to always trade your kindness with those manipulators, never ever give your kindness freely to manupulators. That way, they'll respect you instead of thinking of you as an easy prey to be taken advantage of. When they persistently ask for your kindness, tell them to pay an equal amount of your kindness, no need to be in the form of money, but something like painting your house or if you can, make them pay more than what they get from you. Use time delay tactics, don't help immediately even if you can. Make them wait. The key point is: meke'em pay, then they'll respect you and leave you alone if they are not physically thuggish enough.

Being kind doesn't always mean to be helpful all the time. I used to have this wrong concept of kindness. Letting yourself to be abused is not kindness, it is encouraging others to be abuser.
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Wise words.
 Quoting: Integrity101


Mee too, that is how I got into the mess I am in now. Being too kind in the beginning.

This is the OP btw. my ip got shit on by a manipulator.

Anyhow. once you are in the mess how do you get out I don't know.
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They might even be more than 25%. I mean the people with no conscience. Not all of them are so obvoious, not all of them are excessive liars and manipulators. But what i'm noticing is their total acceptance (Or active approval) of evil doings and evil philosophies. It mind-blowing. Even when someone (Person or entity, let's say corporation or political party) is OBVIOUSLY on the dark side and acting/thinking obviously immoral, most people would still act like "oh cool" or "oh that's totally not a big deal". These people can't be right in the head, they are no less fucked up than the real psychos doing all the evil stuff
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 428255


Yes, many people go along with deceitful agendas and behaviors created/promoted by others. This is very true. I have personally struggled with not giving into this temptation as it would benefit me in business...I probably do not excel financially as much as I could if I were a manipulator. But I am okay with this, as I feel it would compromise my integrity. And that I WILL NOT do. Immoral business practices/behavior are so abundant in my industry that I am going to leave it when I can figure out how to pay the bills doing something I enjoy more.
 Quoting: Integrity101


good. never give in.

I am the same. I never cheat, or lie, People think I am bullshitting when I say that. Something inside me will not allow it.

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