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Can a two state solution ever work

 
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11/21/2012 09:55 AM
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Can a two state solution ever work
I'm looking for pragmatic input from people who have an interest in either side of the conflict, but of course anybody is welcome.

Please try keep discussion positive and 'wipe them out' is not a valid call from either side. The facts are there are over a millio people that self identify as Plaestinian living surrounded by Israel, and Israelis have been in the region for almost 70 years so, moving forward, what have you got?
I don't think so,
he's up there with the others laying low,
vying with those who you've traded your life to to bless your soul,
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11/21/2012 10:09 AM
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Oh, I thought you were talking about the Confederacy and Union...

What's the difference.
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11/21/2012 10:22 AM
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Good question. I was thinking about this yesterday.

We spent four months there in 1981, in Ashkelon, for professional reasons related to hubbys work (we are Christian by faith and are not ethnic Jews). Every day Gazans came to work from the strip- landscapers and pretty much everything you think of Mexicans in the USA doing. Very polite. The tiny church services we went to in Ashkelon had about 12-14 people including Jew and Arab (I think Israeli born, not Palestinian Arab.)

We had a chance to visit Gaza for one day; we saw Arafat's mosque and went to the one and only Christian Gazan church service, and then to a shop with a lot of honey that came from beehives belonging to a church elder.

Relations were decent, I mean, of course Palestinians wanted their own country but they all got along and they all had jobs, 100,000 of them crossed into Israel every day to work. Israel then and now controlled water and electricity into Gaza. There was not any movement, even back then during peaceful times, on the part of Jordan or anybody else to see Gaza become independent regarding utilities. The Sauds could have built desalinization plants; there could have been electric infrastructure built and pipelines for the fuel to keep it running. The Arab nations could have cared less, they despised Gazans, it was no secret and even the Israelis we knew at the time felt sorry for them the way the other Arab nations treated them like trash.

When the militant muslims moved in later in the 80s and 90s, they killed off one church elder immediately, they killed off the owner of the one Christian bookstore, they made it no secret they wanted no Christians in Gaza. What happened in Southern Lebanon with Hezbollah in the 90s/00s was even worse- it was the wholesale extermination of Christian people and towns; they had to leave or be killed.

So now here we are, 2012, can it work you ask? I don't think so, because the younger generation has been so infected with hate not only to Jews but to the west in general. Now that miliatnt Islam holds the reigns, peace is impossible. Even in Jordan hordes are seeking to overthrow the King and usher in another Sharia utopia. (no success yet). When a group is dedicated to extermination of anything outside their narrow boundaries, it gets to be kill or be killed time.

I do think Israel missed its chance in the 80s. Nobody, no matter how polite they act, wants to live under foreign rule as second class citizens with travel restrictions and so forth. Also, some of the settlement building esp on the west bank was deliberately provocative and unnecessary. A two state solution may have been possible before the days of the militants, and I think Israel was unreasonable back then.

On the other hand, look at what happened when Israel pulled out of Gaza giving up every square inch back to Gaza several years ago. A thriving greenhouse industry could have provided thousands of jobs and millions of dollars of income to the impoverished Gazans. The entire thing was turned over to Gaza. Hamas just went in and wrecked it and sold what they could for scrap. Animals. It parallels Zimbabwe exactly. Hamas cares only for its own power and ruthless agenda, not for the people under them.


Just my long winded thoughts. This is why I think we are headed into a Gog Magog war, and Armageddon, predicted a very long time ago. One does not peacefully coexist in two states with militant Islam. One does not peacefully live side by side with a psychopath whose one aim is your annihilation.

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