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Why the Jewish People Do Not Believe in Jesus. 101.

 
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Man..I get so tired of these threads where people don't read or understand the whole thing and try to start an argument! This one is no different! NEXT!
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Hmmmm...


Some interesting Jewish versus Christian teological debate going on here...


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Christians need to realize that the Jewish people dont like their beliefs, Soccer Mom, Church Goer, says, PRAISE JAYYSSUS ! and goes to Israel to pick up her shofar horn souvenir and olive wood cross feeling the warm fuzzies

Is that what belief in Moshiach has been reduced to??? Some tourist, commercialism brag book? Staring at a fallen temple?
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


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Isaiah 9:6

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
 Quoting: No Dhimmi


Thank you, Todah..

Yes, Mashiach will bring peace to the world. It is why Christians are so angry, confused today. Jesus has not brought them the peace, security, safety. Christianity has not proven itself to be a problem solver.

Obviously, Messiah is not here yet, or else we'd be living in a better utopia, a better world.
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


Well, the Crusaders certainly did not bring peace.
We will pass through the Seven Years or serve God's Will as martyrs.
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The blood of natives was not all Hollywood, Dancing with Wolves, Please do not think life was like Kevin Coster..

They had a harsh lifestyle, Many Indians died young. They had to migrate to find food and get away from the harsh winters.
Other tribes were in constant warfare, Prisoners of war was shown no mercy. You lived in constant fear and fight for your life and many woman died in child birth.

Life as a American Indian was not handsome Kevin Costner on the plains making love to a pretty woman. Life was stinky, harsh and dangerous.
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i do not see life as such :)
what i have seen is today's reservations in nevada desert.

a holy land is one that receives all who come in peace and accommodates them with the one's already there, and they blend together in peace, as equals.

this did not happen in america. who is at fault is not the problem. usually there is a karmic reason for each party involved.
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Hmmmm...


Some interesting Jewish versus Christian teological debate going on here...


popcorn
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Christians need to realize that the Jewish people dont like their beliefs, Soccer Mom, Church Goer, says, PRAISE JAYYSSUS ! and goes to Israel to pick up her shofar horn souvenir and olive wood cross feeling the warm fuzzies

Is that what belief in Moshiach has been reduced to??? Some tourist, commercialism brag book? Staring at a fallen temple?
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST

Some good reading on this subject can be found here:

[link to www.ynetnews.com]

[link to www.jpost.com]

1 Thessalonians 2:14-16
Acts 13:45-46
Titus 1:14
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The Mashiach

The mashiach will be a great political leader descended from King David (Jeremiah 23:5). The mashiach is often referred to as "mashiach ben David" (mashiach, son of David). He will be well-versed in Jewish law, and observant of its commandments (Isaiah 11:2-5). He will be a charismatic leader, inspiring others to follow his example. He will be a great military leader, who will win battles for Israel. He will be a great judge, who makes righteous decisions (Jeremiah 33:15). But above all, he will be a human being, not a god, demi-god or other supernatural being.

It has been said that in every generation, a person is born with the potential to be the mashiach. If the time is right for the messianic age within that person's lifetime, then that person will be the mashiach. But if that person dies before he completes the mission of the mashiach, then that person is not the mashiach.

(End Qoute)
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He will win battles for Israel and bring peace ?!

You mean with war ?!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28208184


I was touchy to include that qoute considering all thats going on in the Middle East right now.
I am a man of peace and as a American, I live next to all people, Muslims and Christians here were coordinating together a care package drive.

Americans have a different attitude but that would correct as Jewish belief.. Moshiach is a Soldier King.
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Opus Dei today btw..uses cilice. a tight metal chain worn around the thigh, no blood or gore.

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Qoute:

The Mashiach

The mashiach will be a great political leader descended from King David (Jeremiah 23:5). The mashiach is often referred to as "mashiach ben David" (mashiach, son of David). He will be well-versed in Jewish law, and observant of its commandments (Isaiah 11:2-5). He will be a charismatic leader, inspiring others to follow his example. He will be a great military leader, who will win battles for Israel. He will be a great judge, who makes righteous decisions (Jeremiah 33:15). But above all, he will be a human being, not a god, demi-god or other supernatural being.

It has been said that in every generation, a person is born with the potential to be the mashiach. If the time is right for the messianic age within that person's lifetime, then that person will be the mashiach. But if that person dies before he completes the mission of the mashiach, then that person is not the mashiach.

(End Qoute)
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He will win battles for Israel and bring peace ?!

You mean with war ?!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28208184


Moshiach is a Soldier King.
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


Hence, the Moshiach will currently be in the US military or retired with honors. A high level officer with a impeccable character, heart and the wisdom to lead our peoples with love and truth. He is here now and awaiting to enter the world stage, but unfortunately, this will not be until after the war has hit the American shores. It is the only way to bring back the people to the original plan of our nation's founding brothers.

In the end, it will be the religious and military leader who is "anointed" the Moshiach to not only give him these earthly titles, but also to announce to the world he is here with complete backing of our world's leaders.

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agent Listening Thank you! .....C.C
by the way, have a Happy Thanksgiving
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Hmmmm...


Some interesting Jewish versus Christian teological debate going on here...


popcorn
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28211329


Christians need to realize that the Jewish people dont like their beliefs, Soccer Mom, Church Goer, says, PRAISE JAYYSSUS ! and goes to Israel to pick up her shofar horn souvenir and olive wood cross feeling the warm fuzzies

Is that what belief in Moshiach has been reduced to??? Some tourist, commercialism brag book? Staring at a fallen temple?
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST

Some good reading on this subject can be found here:

[link to www.ynetnews.com]

[link to www.jpost.com]

1 Thessalonians 2:14-16
Acts 13:45-46
Titus 1:14
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Wow

Islamization of Europe a good thing'

Rabbi Baruch Efrati believes Jews should 'rejoice at the fact that Europe is paying for what it did to us for hundreds of years by losing its identity.' He praises Islam for promoting modesty, respect for God

Kobi Nahshoni
Published: 11.11.12, 13:52 / Israel Jewish Scene


We have a huge wave of Muslim somalis immigrating to my town. Its a refugee program. They all wore their direh and hijab , and the burqa. The young men were all staring at the skankiness of western women and I did see the early days, their jaws were dropping to the floor, they were shocked women could go out with such tight clothing and show their bare back, legs. etc..It was a culture shock to them upon their arrival here.

Starting to see Somali women now dress western. I cant imagine girls avoiding western fashion, its pretty much shaped our modern world. Its a womans life, revolves around clothes, our economy and industry and shopping, clothes is the main deal next to food.
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Did Jesus believe in himself?
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cruise
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:)



Be your own moshiachim!

He came and he is as he always will be

The temple can and will be rebuilt in your hearts.

The bricks for the kingdom- the good deeds that you do
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Qoute:

The Mashiach

The mashiach will be a great political leader descended from King David (Jeremiah 23:5). The mashiach is often referred to as "mashiach ben David" (mashiach, son of David). He will be well-versed in Jewish law, and observant of its commandments (Isaiah 11:2-5). He will be a charismatic leader, inspiring others to follow his example. He will be a great military leader, who will win battles for Israel. He will be a great judge, who makes righteous decisions (Jeremiah 33:15). But above all, he will be a human being, not a god, demi-god or other supernatural being.

It has been said that in every generation, a person is born with the potential to be the mashiach. If the time is right for the messianic age within that person's lifetime, then that person will be the mashiach. But if that person dies before he completes the mission of the mashiach, then that person is not the mashiach.

(End Qoute)
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


He will win battles for Israel and bring peace ?!

You mean with war ?!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28208184


Moshiach is a Soldier King.
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


Hence, the Moshiach will currently be in the US military or retired with honors. A high level officer with a impeccable character, heart and the wisdom to lead our peoples with love and truth. He is here now and awaiting to enter the world stage, but unfortunately, this will not be until after the war has hit the American shores. It is the only way to bring back the people to the original plan of our nation's founding brothers.

In the end, it will be the religious and military leader who is "anointed" the Moshiach to not only give him these earthly titles, but also to announce to the world he is here with complete backing of our world's leaders.
 Quoting: KnightsTemplar.TV


KT good job ! Its truly what I envision happening. He will simply work his way up that way. In Judaism the ability to relate to common people and feel their pain and their heart, is vital in Moshiach

He is your everyday man, dedicated to his country, his ideals and has lived as they lived, and worked as they worked and also one who has paid for his own shortcomings. It is the beauty of Moshiach, not to be some perfect, Pedestal being, but to be a normal man anointed, one that rose above, such is the story of the early Jewish Kings like David.


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Did Jesus believe in himself?
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cruise
 Quoting: !saac


:)



Be your own moshiachim!

He came and he is as he always will be

The temple can and will be rebuilt in your hearts.

The bricks for the kingdom- the good deeds that you do
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This too is a good attitude and philosophy we all should strive for.
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Isaiah 9:6

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
 Quoting: No Dhimmi


Thank you, Todah..

Yes, Mashiach will bring peace to the world. It is why Christians are so angry, confused today. Jesus has not brought them the peace, security, safety. Christianity has not proven itself to be a problem solver.

Obviously, Messiah is not here yet, or else we'd be living in a better utopia, a better world.
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


First, there are many who call themselves Christians, and perhaps they believe (faith) but many do not live according to Christ. So if you accept the true definition of Christianity as those who believe AND live for Christ, in Christ, and by Christ, very few "Christians" truly are Christians.

Second, peace, security, safety are considered spiritual qualities, not qualities of the flesh which is temporal and wastes away.
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Was your grandfather a mason ?
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Was your grandfather a mason ?
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Hello Friend, I grew up an Orphan. So I dont know...I was only taught the Lords Prayer, every night. and it was the seed that took off from there when I got older.
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religion will cause the fall of man...
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Indeed.
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Apollo, many thousands of "Jews" immediately
believed in Jesus as His Life was occuring.
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RD professor. please look around. Where is the peace and security? Where is the homes and abundant food? Actually , here in the USA comes pretty close. The Masonic Forefathers thought that USA was to be the New Jerusalem.

The way we are headed now though , I have doubts. Peoples moral choices have been pretty lacking, esp the porn and greed and materialism and backstabbing and immorality even amongst the christian churches esp.

God can take away his blessings from a nation anytime as he did Israel to chastise them. This discipline was meant to bring them back into trusting him.
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That is all true but it's up to us for ourselves
to make families and friends who want to live
the way we do, and that means moving to other
places if the place we live in is too far gone.
Concerning God's blessings, we should not believe
that God chooses favorites at all among his created
human beings. There is no difference. God does not
pick sides, only Satan picks sides. His greatest
gift is bestowed for all men, in this time, in past
time, and future time. The "blessings" they speak of
had a lot more to do with unsettled habitable, arable wilderness and its abundance rather than any special spiritual favor from the Most High.
Indeed, the "blessings" they spoke of and continue
to speak of are mostly material, in their twisted
form of Christianity.
I read an exceptional book while in college, and
if anyone wants to understand what happened to America
and why it was so prosperous and hard-working generations
ago, the theory he proposed (connection between frontier
and American character) and backs with tremendous
substance is simply one of the least understood, yet
most pertinent historical theories in the last 150 years.
[link to www.amazon.com]

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Was your grandfather a mason ?
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Hello Friend, I grew up an Orphan. So I dont know...I was only taught the Lords Prayer, every night. and it was the seed that took off from there when I got older.
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Well I think he was..

Do you wear red in your neck piece ?
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Qoute:

The Mashiach

The mashiach will be a great political leader descended from King David (Jeremiah 23:5). The mashiach is often referred to as "mashiach ben David" (mashiach, son of David). He will be well-versed in Jewish law, and observant of its commandments (Isaiah 11:2-5). He will be a charismatic leader, inspiring others to follow his example. He will be a great military leader, who will win battles for Israel. He will be a great judge, who makes righteous decisions (Jeremiah 33:15). But above all, he will be a human being, not a god, demi-god or other supernatural being.

It has been said that in every generation, a person is born with the potential to be the mashiach. If the time is right for the messianic age within that person's lifetime, then that person will be the mashiach. But if that person dies before he completes the mission of the mashiach, then that person is not the mashiach.

(End Qoute)
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He will win battles for Israel and bring peace ?!

You mean with war ?!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28208184


yes, another clear tip off what this is really all about... the true God the creator does not favor one group of humans over another... that is the work of evil, and those who believe the lies serve evil, as they have been fooled...
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Maybe he did.

I keep my back straight when I'm reminded


Blessings
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Hmmmm...


Some interesting Jewish versus Christian teological debate going on here...


popcorn
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Christians need to realize that the Jewish people dont like their beliefs, Soccer Mom, Church Goer, says, PRAISE JAYYSSUS ! and goes to Israel to pick up her shofar horn souvenir and olive wood cross feeling the warm fuzzies

Is that what belief in Moshiach has been reduced to??? Some tourist, commercialism brag book? Staring at a fallen temple?
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


and yet they hide the truth to continue sucking up U.S. taxpayer dollars to support their fake nation...
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"I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour."

Isaiah 43:11
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RD professor. please look around. Where is the peace and security? Where is the homes and abundant food? Actually , here in the USA comes pretty close. The Masonic Forefathers thought that USA was to be the New Jerusalem.

The way we are headed now though , I have doubts. Peoples moral choices have been pretty lacking, esp the porn and greed and materialism and backstabbing and immorality even amongst the christian churches esp.

God can take away his blessings from a nation anytime as he did Israel to chastise them. This discipline was meant to bring them back into trusting him.
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


New Jerusalem is bestowed in Spirit.
the masonic forefathers were surely well intended, but it takes more than good intention and human effort to build the New Jerusalem.

and as United States started upon the blood of the natives, the corner stone was flawed from the beginning. And as an effect you have what you perceive today.
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The blood of natives was not all Hollywood, Dancing with Wolves, Please do not think life was like Kevin Coster..

They had a harsh lifestyle, Many Indians died young. They had to migrate to find food and get away from the harsh winters.
Other tribes were in constant warfare, Prisoners of war was shown no mercy. You lived in constant fear and fight for your life and many woman died in child birth.

Life as a American Indian was not handsome Kevin Costner on the plains making love to a pretty woman. Life was stinky, harsh and dangerous.
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


oh, so it was kosher to kill them and steal their land... just like in Palestine? god's work you say? good one bro... I see satan's cloven paws all over this mess.
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you got the link wrong it is supposed to be www.jewfag.com
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oh and ps the people most closely related to Jesus, are the Palestinians, those Muslims that Israel is killing.
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The problem is that they missed Mashiyach Ben Yoseph, AKA the LAMB of Elohim. This was spoken of in TaNaKh. YHVH said I shall provide the LAMB.

Gen 22:1 And it came to be after these events that Elohim tried Abraham, and said to him, “Abraham!” And he said, “Here I am.”
Gen 22:2 And He said, “Take your son, now, your only son Yitshaq, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriyah, and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains which I command you.”
Gen 22:3 And Aḇraham rose early in the morning and saddled his donkey, and took two of his young men with him, and Yitsḥaq his son. And he split the wood for the burnt offering, and arose and went to the place which Elohim had commanded him.
Gen 22:4 And on the third day Abraham lifted his eyes and saw the place from a distance.
Gen 22:5 So Abraham said to his young men, “Stay here with the donkey while the boy and I go over there and worship, and come back to you.”
Gen 22:6 And Abraham took the wood of the burnt offering and laid it on Yitsḥaq his son. And he took the fire in his hand, and a knife, and the two of them went together.
Gen 22:7 And Yitshaq spoke to Abraham his father and said, “My father!” And he said, “Here I am, my son.” And he said, “See, the fire and the wood! But where is the lamb for a burnt offering?”
Gen 22:8 And Abraham said, “My son, Elohim does provide for Himself the lamb for a burnt offering.” And the two of them went together.

That day a RAM was provided, the LAMB was the future sacrifice for the atonement of man's fallen state. Also if you read the text, it is ALL about substitution. Also notice the phrase, take your son whom you love, YOUR ONLY SON.

Also, this took place on Mount Moriah, the exact place Yeshua was sacrificed by the nations/gentiles and Torahless elite.

Mashiyach returns as Mashiyach Ben David, the LION of the Tribe of Yehudah, and he will put ALL nations in subjection, the Temple will be RIGHT, and there will be Shalom...

YHVH be with you and ALL those that choose to FEAR YHVH, TRUST in His Mashiyach, and WALK in the Written Torah.

Eliyah Ben Yisrael
Shal
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Was your grandfather a mason ?
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Hello Friend, I grew up an Orphan. So I dont know...I was only taught the Lords Prayer, every night. and it was the seed that took off from there when I got older.
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


Well I think he was..

Do you wear red in your neck piece ?
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I do have some pins and jewels passed onto me and one of them is predominately red with some religious symbols, I am in the process of identifying.

My personal life however takes backseat to my goal of educating. I am nervous on how critical things are becoming and overwhelmed on the division of nations and faiths.

Masonic education I admit does well in interconnecting and educating religions origins and symbolism, esp the Temple of Solomon.
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The problem is that they missed Mashiyach Ben Yoseph, AKA the LAMB of Elohim. This was spoken of in TaNaKh. YHVH said I shall provide the LAMB.

Gen 22:1 And it came to be after these events that Elohim tried Abraham, and said to him, “Abraham!” And he said, “Here I am.”
Gen 22:2 And He said, “Take your son, now, your only son Yitshaq, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriyah, and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains which I command you.”
Gen 22:3 And Aḇraham rose early in the morning and saddled his donkey, and took two of his young men with him, and Yitsḥaq his son. And he split the wood for the burnt offering, and arose and went to the place which Elohim had commanded him.
Gen 22:4 And on the third day Abraham lifted his eyes and saw the place from a distance.
Gen 22:5 So Abraham said to his young men, “Stay here with the donkey while the boy and I go over there and worship, and come back to you.”
Gen 22:6 And Abraham took the wood of the burnt offering and laid it on Yitsḥaq his son. And he took the fire in his hand, and a knife, and the two of them went together.
Gen 22:7 And Yitshaq spoke to Abraham his father and said, “My father!” And he said, “Here I am, my son.” And he said, “See, the fire and the wood! But where is the lamb for a burnt offering?”
Gen 22:8 And Abraham said, “My son, Elohim does provide for Himself the lamb for a burnt offering.” And the two of them went together.

That day a RAM was provided, the LAMB was the future sacrifice for the atonement of man's fallen state. Also if you read the text, it is ALL about substitution. Also notice the phrase, take your son whom you love, YOUR ONLY SON.

Also, this took place on Mount Moriah, the exact place Yeshua was sacrificed by the nations/gentiles and Torahless elite.

Mashiyach returns as Mashiyach Ben David, the LION of the Tribe of Yehudah, and he will put ALL nations in subjection, the Temple will be RIGHT, and there will be Shalom...

YHVH be with you and ALL those that choose to FEAR YHVH, TRUST in His Mashiyach, and WALK in the Written Torah.

Eliyah Ben Yisrael
Shal
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I must make a correction, many believed Yeshua was Mashiyach, but collectively as a nation they rejected him. The original talmid of Yeshua were RIGHTEOUS TORAH observant Yehudim.
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Re: Why the Jewish People Do Not Believe in Jesus. 101.
RD professor. please look around. Where is the peace and security? Where is the homes and abundant food? Actually , here in the USA comes pretty close. The Masonic Forefathers thought that USA was to be the New Jerusalem.

The way we are headed now though , I have doubts. Peoples moral choices have been pretty lacking, esp the porn and greed and materialism and backstabbing and immorality even amongst the christian churches esp.

God can take away his blessings from a nation anytime as he did Israel to chastise them. This discipline was meant to bring them back into trusting him.
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New Jerusalem is bestowed in Spirit.
the masonic forefathers were surely well intended, but it takes more than good intention and human effort to build the New Jerusalem.

and as United States started upon the blood of the natives, the corner stone was flawed from the beginning. And as an effect you have what you perceive today.
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The blood of natives was not all Hollywood, Dancing with Wolves, Please do not think life was like Kevin Coster..

They had a harsh lifestyle, Many Indians died young. They had to migrate to find food and get away from the harsh winters.
Other tribes were in constant warfare, Prisoners of war was shown no mercy. You lived in constant fear and fight for your life and many woman died in child birth.

Life as a American Indian was not handsome Kevin Costner on the plains making love to a pretty woman. Life was stinky, harsh and dangerous.
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oh, so it was kosher to kill them and steal their land... just like in Palestine? god's work you say? good one bro... I see satan's cloven paws all over this mess.
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Respectfully though, I may have a article up on the Hopi people, those descended from the Ancient Pueblo Peoples (Anasazi) They lived in Arizona and New Mexico. They believed in the Taiowa , a Sun God and corn and agriculture were very important to them.
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Re: Why the Jewish People Do Not Believe in Jesus. 101.
The problem is that they missed Mashiyach Ben Yoseph, AKA the LAMB of Elohim. This was spoken of in TaNaKh. YHVH said I shall provide the LAMB.

Gen 22:1 And it came to be after these events that Elohim tried Abraham, and said to him, “Abraham!” And he said, “Here I am.”
Gen 22:2 And He said, “Take your son, now, your only son Yitshaq, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriyah, and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains which I command you.”
Gen 22:3 And Aḇraham rose early in the morning and saddled his donkey, and took two of his young men with him, and Yitsḥaq his son. And he split the wood for the burnt offering, and arose and went to the place which Elohim had commanded him.
Gen 22:4 And on the third day Abraham lifted his eyes and saw the place from a distance.
Gen 22:5 So Abraham said to his young men, “Stay here with the donkey while the boy and I go over there and worship, and come back to you.”
Gen 22:6 And Abraham took the wood of the burnt offering and laid it on Yitsḥaq his son. And he took the fire in his hand, and a knife, and the two of them went together.
Gen 22:7 And Yitshaq spoke to Abraham his father and said, “My father!” And he said, “Here I am, my son.” And he said, “See, the fire and the wood! But where is the lamb for a burnt offering?”
Gen 22:8 And Abraham said, “My son, Elohim does provide for Himself the lamb for a burnt offering.” And the two of them went together.

That day a RAM was provided, the LAMB was the future sacrifice for the atonement of man's fallen state. Also if you read the text, it is ALL about substitution. Also notice the phrase, take your son whom you love, YOUR ONLY SON.

Also, this took place on Mount Moriah, the exact place Yeshua was sacrificed by the nations/gentiles and Torahless elite.

Mashiyach returns as Mashiyach Ben David, the LION of the Tribe of Yehudah, and he will put ALL nations in subjection, the Temple will be RIGHT, and there will be Shalom...

YHVH be with you and ALL those that choose to FEAR YHVH, TRUST in His Mashiyach, and WALK in the Written Torah.

Eliyah Ben Yisrael
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I must make a correction, many believed Yeshua was Mashiyach, but collectively as a nation they rejected him. The original talmid of Yeshua were RIGHTEOUS TORAH observant Yehudim.
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I agree friend, that he was rejected. I assume it was because of his marital choices and his Gnostic teachings . He was more buddha like as well cause he was a pacifist at a time Israel was occupied by the Romans. Im sure this did not sit well with the Rabbinic authority who still waited for a leader to arise and shake off their yoke of bondage.

Because no one took leadership , Jerusalem was sacked by the Romans in 70 AD. The temple was destroyed and those who survived did so by running thru the underground tunnels under the temple or fleeing to the hills.

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