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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 15281326 11/21/2012 11:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Isaiah 9:6 Quoting: No Dhimmi For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Thank you, Todah.. Yes, Mashiach will bring peace to the world. It is why Christians are so angry, confused today. Jesus has not brought them the peace, security, safety. Christianity has not proven itself to be a problem solver. Obviously, Messiah is not here yet, or else we'd be living in a better utopia, a better world. Actually, Jesus was very clear. When speaking of the things they done to Him He said likewise they'll do to His true followers also. Peace in His words will never be achieved in this world, even Isaiah whom you quoted prophesied many terrible things that will happen this world before the end comes. You like to mix and mash all these different doctrines to fit your agenda, but it don't work that way. Oh well who am I to tell anyone how or what to believe, but when you pick out one scripture and leave out the rest to prove your point is being very deceiving imo. People should hear another opinion to at least go look for themselves rather than taking your or my word for it.. |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 14392840 11/21/2012 11:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Isaiah 9:6 Quoting: No Dhimmi For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Thank you, Todah.. Yes, Mashiach will bring peace to the world. It is why Christians are so angry, confused today. Jesus has not brought them the peace, security, safety. Christianity has not proven itself to be a problem solver. Obviously, Messiah is not here yet, or else we'd be living in a better utopia, a better world. Actually, Jesus was very clear. When speaking of the things they done to Him He said likewise they'll do to His true followers also. Peace in His words will never be achieved in this world, even Isaiah whom you quoted prophesied many terrible things that will happen this world before the end comes. You like to mix and mash all these different doctrines to fit your agenda, but it don't work that way. Oh well who am I to tell anyone how or what to believe, but when you pick out one scripture and leave out the rest to prove your point is being very deceiving imo. People should hear another opinion to at least go look for themselves rather than taking your or my word for it.. Just asking, why do you call him JESUS? I know youre trying to use the Greek version of Joshua, Iesous. But at least call him Joshua Son of Joseph. Youve been punkd. Jesus means EARTH PIG in latin. JE (GUS) SUS. He is the prodigal son . Ishtar, Babylonian Goddess decreed that every Easter (Istarte) pig or ham was to be eaten to commemorate Tammuz who was killed by a wild boar. And whos birthday is celebrated at Christmas? Its the birthday of SOL INVICTUS the unconquered Sun. Now who really mixes and mashes different beliefs to fit their agenda? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1256231 11/21/2012 11:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: andreidita New Jerusalem is bestowed in Spirit. the masonic forefathers were surely well intended, but it takes more than good intention and human effort to build the New Jerusalem. and as United States started upon the blood of the natives, the corner stone was flawed from the beginning. And as an effect you have what you perceive today. The blood of natives was not all Hollywood, Dancing with Wolves, Please do not think life was like Kevin Coster.. They had a harsh lifestyle, Many Indians died young. They had to migrate to find food and get away from the harsh winters. Other tribes were in constant warfare, Prisoners of war was shown no mercy. You lived in constant fear and fight for your life and many woman died in child birth. Life as a American Indian was not handsome Kevin Costner on the plains making love to a pretty woman. Life was stinky, harsh and dangerous. oh, so it was kosher to kill them and steal their land... just like in Palestine? god's work you say? good one bro... I see satan's cloven paws all over this mess. Respectfully though, I may have a article up on the Hopi people, those descended from the Ancient Pueblo Peoples (Anasazi) They lived in Arizona and New Mexico. They believed in the Taiowa , a Sun God and corn and agriculture were very important to them. you are dodging the point and you know it. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 25798583 11/21/2012 11:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Christians, quit calling this Political leader the Anti Christ ! He will rebuild the temple, yes, the Beit Hamikdash. It does not mean he is the Anti Christ. Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST Look Apollo, it´s an abomination to rebuilt the Temple ouf of stones. Get it. The Temple is the body of the Son of man, 2000 years and counting. The Word m no it isn't. If it gets rebuilt it was God's will! God wills all things; no such thing as blasphemy! If it gets rebuilt and nothing comes of it then it merely means there is no God. |
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| Mi'Kmaq User ID: 906655 11/21/2012 12:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I guess everybody needs a copy of the scroll that the Lamb got from his Fathers right hand.The one that all the Prophets were shown,and having been written about over and over again but still no one looks,or hears,question is this that everyone sould be asking is this ,has this fellow the Lamb,realy snuck in here while our attention was else where,Is there One who can teach you about the Pearl of great cost?Or show you ,your name in his book?Or give you oil for your lamp?seek and you will find!Ask and you will recieve!................... Last Edited by Mi'Kmaq on 11/21/2012 12:03 PM |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 26268975 11/21/2012 12:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Christians, quit calling this Political leader the Anti Christ ! He will rebuild the temple, yes, the Beit Hamikdash. It does not mean he is the Anti Christ. Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST Look Apollo, it´s an abomination to rebuilt the Temple ouf of stones. Get it. The Temple is the body of the Son of man, 2000 years and counting. The Word m no it isn't. If it gets rebuilt it was God's will! God wills all things; no such thing as blasphemy! If it gets rebuilt and nothing comes of it then it merely means there is no God. Learn the difference between wished-for and allowed by God. Not the same. |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 14392840 11/21/2012 12:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST The blood of natives was not all Hollywood, Dancing with Wolves, Please do not think life was like Kevin Coster.. They had a harsh lifestyle, Many Indians died young. They had to migrate to find food and get away from the harsh winters. Other tribes were in constant warfare, Prisoners of war was shown no mercy. You lived in constant fear and fight for your life and many woman died in child birth. Life as a American Indian was not handsome Kevin Costner on the plains making love to a pretty woman. Life was stinky, harsh and dangerous. oh, so it was kosher to kill them and steal their land... just like in Palestine? god's work you say? good one bro... I see satan's cloven paws all over this mess. Respectfully though, I may have a article up on the Hopi people, those descended from the Ancient Pueblo Peoples (Anasazi) They lived in Arizona and New Mexico. They believed in the Taiowa , a Sun God and corn and agriculture were very important to them. you are dodging the point and you know it. Leave and give it back then. I doubt they want to live in the harsh plains anymore and hunt for their food in the elements. Would you? Do you know how to make your own Sioux hunting bow out of sinew and wood and animal fat? and then follow the buffalo herd? Few of us know their ingenious survival skills. We are too shielded, protected. There is a middle ground you know. |
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| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 14392840 11/21/2012 12:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Isaiah 9:6 Quoting: No Dhimmi For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Thank you, Todah.. Yes, Mashiach will bring peace to the world. It is why Christians are so angry, confused today. Jesus has not brought them the peace, security, safety. Christianity has not proven itself to be a problem solver. Obviously, Messiah is not here yet, or else we'd be living in a better utopia, a better world. Actually, Jesus was very clear. When speaking of the things they done to Him He said likewise they'll do to His true followers also. Peace in His words will never be achieved in this world, even Isaiah whom you quoted prophesied many terrible things that will happen this world before the end comes. You like to mix and mash all these different doctrines to fit your agenda, but it don't work that way. Oh well who am I to tell anyone how or what to believe, but when you pick out one scripture and leave out the rest to prove your point is being very deceiving imo. People should hear another opinion to at least go look for themselves rather than taking your or my word for it.. Tikkun Olam in the Olam Habah, Healing of the world in the world to come, is a promise and it will happen. |
| Ambassador Grantor User ID: 1194075 11/21/2012 12:19 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Qoute: Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST The Mashiach The mashiach will be a great political leader descended from King David (Jeremiah 23:5). The mashiach is often referred to as "mashiach ben David" (mashiach, son of David). He will be well-versed in Jewish law, and observant of its commandments (Isaiah 11:2-5). He will be a charismatic leader, inspiring others to follow his example. He will be a great military leader, who will win battles for Israel. He will be a great judge, who makes righteous decisions (Jeremiah 33:15). But above all, he will be a human being, not a god, demi-god or other supernatural being. It has been said that in every generation, a person is born with the potential to be the mashiach. If the time is right for the messianic age within that person's lifetime, then that person will be the mashiach. But if that person dies before he completes the mission of the mashiach, then that person is not the mashiach. (End Qoute) Jews are not the chosen people. The Talmud teaches rabbis that it is acceptable to have sex with a child up until the child is 9 years old. At this point the adult is directed stop the sexual relationship. Do I need to continue? "Psychopaths derive their power from the complicity of the populous..." |
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| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 14392840 11/21/2012 12:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Qoute: Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST The Mashiach The mashiach will be a great political leader descended from King David (Jeremiah 23:5). The mashiach is often referred to as "mashiach ben David" (mashiach, son of David). He will be well-versed in Jewish law, and observant of its commandments (Isaiah 11:2-5). He will be a charismatic leader, inspiring others to follow his example. He will be a great military leader, who will win battles for Israel. He will be a great judge, who makes righteous decisions (Jeremiah 33:15). But above all, he will be a human being, not a god, demi-god or other supernatural being. It has been said that in every generation, a person is born with the potential to be the mashiach. If the time is right for the messianic age within that person's lifetime, then that person will be the mashiach. But if that person dies before he completes the mission of the mashiach, then that person is not the mashiach. (End Qoute) Jews are not the chosen people. The Talmud teaches rabbis that it is acceptable to have sex with a child up until the child is 9 years old. At this point the adult is directed stop the sexual relationship. Do I need to continue? Being Jewish was based on the ancestry of Patriarch Abraham. Abraham was called Hebrew from(abar) meaning to pass over, It was originally genetic. Prophecy of Moshiach bases itself on the first five books of the Bible called the Torah. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 27725701 11/21/2012 12:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Qoute: Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST The Mashiach The mashiach will be a great political leader descended from King David (Jeremiah 23:5). The mashiach is often referred to as "mashiach ben David" (mashiach, son of David). He will be well-versed in Jewish law, and observant of its commandments (Isaiah 11:2-5). He will be a charismatic leader, inspiring others to follow his example. He will be a great military leader, who will win battles for Israel. He will be a great judge, who makes righteous decisions (Jeremiah 33:15). But above all, he will be a human being, not a god, demi-god or other supernatural being. It has been said that in every generation, a person is born with the potential to be the mashiach. If the time is right for the messianic age within that person's lifetime, then that person will be the mashiach. But if that person dies before he completes the mission of the mashiach, then that person is not the mashiach. (End Qoute) so there is no divinity there- just worldly power. how does this square with 'the jewish PEOPLE will be its own messiah'? |
| Future Viewer User ID: 1344660 11/21/2012 12:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The term "mashiach" literally means "the anointed one," and refers to the ancient practice of anointing kings with oil when they took the throne. The mashiach is the one who will be anointed as king in the End of Days. Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST The word "mashiach" does not mean "savior." The notion of an innocent, divine or semi-divine being who will sacrifice himself to save us from the consequences of our own sins is a purely Christian concept that has no basis in Jewish thought. Unfortunately, this Christian concept has become so deeply ingrained in the English word "messiah" that this English word can no longer be used to refer to the Jewish concept. The word "mashiach" will be used throughout this page. [link to www.jewfaq.org] Even more appalling, is many Jews (Hasadic, Religious, Orthodox, Russian) believe in 1st and 2nd Cousin Marrying, even after its proven much Genetic Problems, Tay Sachs, Retardation and Overall DNA type diseases and problems. Its what Hitler did, when he did a massive kill off in Germany (1932->1945 about's). Hitler killed off all the Retard, severely Handicapped, Diseased Peoples 1st before targeting the General Population Jews, but these people were primarily Jewish, because of inner breeding Problems (1st and 2nd cousin marriages). Very big among Jewish race back then and still. And very curious why Rabbi''s still perform such marriages today? (close relative marriages), with creating Societal Problems both financially and socially. Got me beat?? The Real "Kronos"..(1957 Movie) |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 14392840 11/21/2012 12:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Qoute: Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST The Mashiach The mashiach will be a great political leader descended from King David (Jeremiah 23:5). The mashiach is often referred to as "mashiach ben David" (mashiach, son of David). He will be well-versed in Jewish law, and observant of its commandments (Isaiah 11:2-5). He will be a charismatic leader, inspiring others to follow his example. He will be a great military leader, who will win battles for Israel. He will be a great judge, who makes righteous decisions (Jeremiah 33:15). But above all, he will be a human being, not a god, demi-god or other supernatural being. It has been said that in every generation, a person is born with the potential to be the mashiach. If the time is right for the messianic age within that person's lifetime, then that person will be the mashiach. But if that person dies before he completes the mission of the mashiach, then that person is not the mashiach. (End Qoute) so there is no divinity there- just worldly power. how does this square with 'the jewish PEOPLE will be its own messiah'? I dont know but, the principle of Moshiach is a core belief of faith... A PLEA FOR MOSHIACH BY APOLLO Studies of the Hebrew Prophecies.. Moshiach is Hebrew for Messiah. Moshiach means the “the anointed one" in Hebrew. And it is a core belief in Judaism, but seldom learned by Christians of the West. Those that have faith in Moshiach feel it as strongly as Christians have faith in Jesus. The jewish people do not believe Jesus was the Messiah, rather they see the future Savior of Mankind as a great teacher, King and Soldier of Righteousness, "Tzedek" that influences our lives directly, making abudance touch wherever he touches and blessings to shower our material world and build his temple "Beit HaMikdash" We do not have to wait to out death to ever have hope of seeing Moshiach, Moshiach will not appear to us after we pass this earthly time, He is to come while humanity is alive and calling out ! "Tikkun Olam" is the healing of the world in the world to come, "Olam Habah" You do not have to be a Jew to let Moshiach bless your life, cause he will free mankind into a state of bliss knowing their creator G-d who cannot have a name, He is the infallible one, the one whose name. (HaShem) is beyond our limited understand, but we may draw close to him none the less. He does not cast souls into hell. forbid the study of stars, nor say this earth is beyond redemption, G-d wants us to be happy now ! And enjoy the fruitages of earth now ! Here is the Belief number 12 of the Mainmonides Thirteen Principles of Faith That speaks of Moshiach Principle XII. The era of the Messiah And this is to believe that in truth that he will come and that you should be waiting for him even though he delays in coming. And you should not calculate times for him to come, or to look in the verses of Tanach to see when he should come. The sages say: The wisdom of those who calculate times [of his coming] is small and that you should believe that he will be greater and more honored than all of the kings of Israel since the beginning of time as it is prophesied by all the prophets from Moses our teacher, peace be upon him, until Malachi, peace be upon him. And he who doubts or diminishes the greatness of the Messiah is a denier in all the Torah for it testifies to the Messiah explicitly in the portion of Bilam and the portion of “You are gathered (towards the end of Deut)”. And part of this principle that there is no king of Israel except from the house of David and from the seed of Solomon alone. And anyone who disputes this regarding this family is a denier of the name of God and in all the words of the prophets. Heaven is here on earth, The Tanach describes the temple.in II Chronicles. 3:3- "The length by cubits after the ancient measure was threescore cubits, and the breadth twenty cubits". 3:4- "And the porch that was before the house, the length of it, according to the breadth of the house, was twenty cubits, and the height a hundred and twenty; and he overlaid it within with pure gold." And likewise , we shall have beautiful sound homes and dwelling places and food and peace when the Moshiach touches our lives and blesses us with the bounty. God did not want us to lack in anything . QOUTE: In every generation there is a scion of the House of David who has the potential to be the Moshiach -Apollo |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 8640456 11/21/2012 12:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Since OP is not a Christian, has not the benefit of the Holy Spirit indwelling and leading and teaching. That is the born again experience, the most important, he cannot receive any truth that comes from God or any understanding. Yet, he sets himself up as an authority on biblical concepts, utterly ridiculous. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 20694328 11/21/2012 12:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Since OP is not a Christian, has not the benefit of the Holy Spirit indwelling and leading and teaching. That is the born again experience, the most important, he cannot receive any truth that comes from God or any understanding. Yet, he sets himself up as an authority on biblical concepts, utterly ridiculous. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8640456 |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 20694328 11/21/2012 12:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Since OP is not a Christian, has not the benefit of the Holy Spirit indwelling and leading and teaching. That is the born again experience, the most important, he cannot receive any truth that comes from God or any understanding. Yet, he sets himself up as an authority on biblical concepts, utterly ridiculous. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8640456 |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 14392840 11/21/2012 12:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The term "mashiach" literally means "the anointed one," and refers to the ancient practice of anointing kings with oil when they took the throne. The mashiach is the one who will be anointed as king in the End of Days. Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST The word "mashiach" does not mean "savior." The notion of an innocent, divine or semi-divine being who will sacrifice himself to save us from the consequences of our own sins is a purely Christian concept that has no basis in Jewish thought. Unfortunately, this Christian concept has become so deeply ingrained in the English word "messiah" that this English word can no longer be used to refer to the Jewish concept. The word "mashiach" will be used throughout this page. [link to www.jewfaq.org] Even more appalling, is many Jews (Hasadic, Religious, Orthodox, Russian) believe in 1st and 2nd Cousin Marrying, even after its proven much Genetic Problems, Tay Sachs, Retardation and Overall DNA type diseases and problems. Its what Hitler did, when he did a massive kill off in Germany (1932->1945 about's). Hitler killed off all the Retard, severely Handicapped, Diseased Peoples 1st before targeting the General Population Jews, but these people were primarily Jewish, because of inner breeding Problems (1st and 2nd cousin marriages). Very big among Jewish race back then and still. And very curious why Rabbi''s still perform such marriages today? (close relative marriages), with creating Societal Problems both financially and socially. Got me beat?? In Jewish belief, Moshiach must be unblemished, of healthy lineage. |
| Shelia Deville User ID: 22552125 11/21/2012 12:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Christians, quit calling this Political leader the Anti Christ ! He will rebuild the temple, yes, the Beit Hamikdash. It does not mean he is the Anti Christ. Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST in your opinion that is... in mine, he is the very definition of the anti-christ. an no, i'm no fundi... i just see "the strange gods of judiasm" for what they are... the fallen ones. I was taught that "the anti-Christ" is not one person but multitudes of people.... one entire body called the Anti-Christ. And look at this world. Most people are into anything but what the Bible teaches or Jesus Christ taught. "Love your neighbor as yourself". |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 15916981 11/21/2012 12:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've always thought they rejected the man named 'Jesus' because in truth he didn't exist ,a name given to a fictitious character based on the real life works of another man, a man who actually is in historical records, his name... the Prophet 'Immanuel'. He was the true prophet of God's message to mankind, and when that message had been corrupted by church leaders ,another was sent via the Prophet Mohammed. That message too suffered the same fate since then. Anyway, that's what I was told when I asked a Jewish friend about 'Jesus',"no such man, he didn't exist. As far as I've been able to discover, there has been only 1 item discovered in an archeological dig that bore the name 'Jesus', it was on a burial casket of another person, other than that, there is no WRITTEN history of this 'Jesus' in all records of the time, so maybe it's true what the Jews say, he didn't exist. |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 14392840 11/21/2012 12:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've always thought they rejected the man named 'Jesus' because in truth he didn't exist ,a name given to a fictitious character based on the real life works of another man, a man who actually is in historical records, his name... the Prophet 'Immanuel'. He was the true prophet of God's message to mankind, and when that message had been corrupted by church leaders ,another was sent via the Prophet Mohammed. That message too suffered the same fate since then. Anyway, that's what I was told when I asked a Jewish friend about 'Jesus',"no such man, he didn't exist. As far as I've been able to discover, there has been only 1 item discovered in an archeological dig that bore the name 'Jesus', it was on a burial casket of another person, other than that, there is no WRITTEN history of this 'Jesus' in all records of the time, so maybe it's true what the Jews say, he didn't exist. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15916981 Interesting thoughts there, Youll love this two minute movie. It explains a lot ! |
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| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 14392840 11/21/2012 12:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Messiah has always meant anointed. There is no need and it should not be used refering to Him as the messiah. Messiah is how it shoud be just as it is God not the god, that we say. Quoting: Mickeyblue 9806228 Yes, and it is said, there is a two gallon jug of anointing oil that was originally in the household of Aaron that was blended to the specifics of Exodus, It will anoint the future king. |