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Why the Jewish People Do Not Believe in Jesus. 101.

 
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Yes, Mashiach will bring peace to the world. It is why Christians are so angry, confused today. Jesus has not brought them the peace, security, safety. Christianity has not proven itself to be a problem solver.

Obviously, Messiah is not here yet, or else we'd be living in a better utopia, a better world.
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST

Who is angry and confused? The return you are expecting had to do with the bruise to the serpent's head. The events that John the Baptist has his disciple record was for the other bruise, the one to the heel of a seed of Eve. His mother's history is the one given in Luke (via her father)qualifying Him as her seed. He came as a High Priest and it was to expand who was part of His flock and it was the final event before the De:4:30 prophecy could unfold. The relevant verses are below. (I'll leave out the other that would be the bulk of the passages that show what events were fulfilled. (for the moment anyway)

Isa:53:8:
He was taken from prison and from judgment:
and who shall declare his generation?
for he was cut off out of the land of the living:
for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
Isa:53:9:
And he made his grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death;
because he had done no violence,
neither was any deceit in his mouth.
Isa:53:10:
Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him;
he hath put him to grief:

when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin,
he shall see his seed,
he shall prolong his days,
and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

John the Baptist was called by God, making him an OT Prophet and High Priest, yet you reject that work and the other one written by John's disciple, a woman (Mary of Bethany) also known as the beloved disciple. Having to accept those works as being equal to any from the OT blows all your current beliefs out of the water totally. Is that why they are rejected?

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Sorry if I'm being a prick, but could you please answer without quoting the Bible?
Why is Jesus the way?
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Read it for yourself, His witness of creation is in Proverbs 8, starts about Vs:22 and goes to Vs:36. Its much shorter than my answer would be and it's also a lot clearer.
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I really don't think you can use the word mashiach and 'anointed' in the same sentence. You have no understanding of what it means to be anointed. It's much more than being a 'human'.
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Was John the Baptist a true anointed high priest in that he was from the right house and was anointed with the Holy Spirit making him equal to Moses in terms of speaking with God's authority, rather God spoke just like He did when Moses was before Pharaoh.
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There are two sets of prophecies in the OT about Jesus, his first coming as a lamb to the slaughter and his second coming as a king.
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Not even close.
Here are just two from many.

M't:2:16:
Then Herod,
when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men,
was exceeding wroth,
and sent forth,
and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem,
and in all the coasts thereof,
from two years old and under,
according to the time which he had diligently enquired of the wise men.
M't:2:17:
Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet,
saying,
M't:2:18:
In Rama was there a voice heard,
lamentation,
and weeping,
and great mourning,
Rachel weeping for her children,
and would not be comforted,
because they are not.

Jer:31:15:
Thus saith the LORD;
A voice was heard in Ramah,
lamentation,
and bitter weeping;
Rahel weeping for her children refused to be comforted for her children,
because they were not.
Jer:31:16:
Thus saith the LORD;
Refrain thy voice from weeping,
and thine eyes from tears:
for thy work shall be rewarded,
saith the LORD;
and they shall come again from the land of the enemy.
Jer:31:17:
And there is hope in thine end,
saith the LORD,
that thy children shall come again to their own border.

What that did was define what the 'land of the enemy' is, the grave and the children were sent there and the end is when they are brought back as part of a great crowd and by the method described in Eze:37. (rather than it being the Gentile Nations)

M't:26:55:
In that same hour said Jesus to the multitudes,
Are ye come out as against a thief with swords and staves for to take me?
I sat daily with you teaching in the temple,
and ye laid no hold on me.
M't:26:56:
But all this was done,
that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled. Then all the disciples forsook him,
and fled.

Zec:13:7:
Awake,
O sword,
against my shepherd,
and against the man that is my fellow,
saith the LORD of hosts:
smite the shepherd,
and the sheep shall be scattered:
and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.

The smite was the cross itself and 3 1/2 years after that Peter got the word that had him start to preach the Kingdom of God to the Gentiles, just after relaxing the dietary laws for the 12 Tribes as they were about to be scattered as the fulfillment of the De:4:30 prophecy.
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Isaiah 9:6

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
 Quoting: No Dhimmi


Thank you, Todah..

Yes, Mashiach will bring peace to the world. It is why Christians are so angry, confused today. Jesus has not brought them the peace, security, safety. Christianity has not proven itself to be a problem solver.

Obviously, Messiah is not here yet, or else we'd be living in a better utopia, a better world.
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


Apollo, you have completely missed the point of Isaiah 9:6,
Isaiah is talking about Jesus not this silly Mashiach you keep pathetically glorifying.

Jesus has brought many individuals peace, security, safety.

Apollo, I'm starting to think that you actually believe you are this stupid Mashiach figure.

"Angry and confused? "

The Cognitive and Conformation bias you repeatedly show are quite funny plus your Attitude polarization is just pathetic

In Revelation we are introduced to Apollyon, who has the key to the bottomless pit. Apollymi can be found in James 4:12 which mentions the Lawgiver and the judge. ONE THERE IS A LAWGIVER AND JUDGE, he who is able to save and to destroy.

QOUTE:

Apollyon/Abbadon is based on Kalki (the Destroyer). He rides on a white horse .


Yes, Apollyon is the rider of the White Horse


 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


Apollyon does not have the Key to the bottomless pit, the angel of the bottomless pit does not have the Key to the bottomless pit, the bottomless pit is opened by an angel from heaven, locusts, scorpions and their king apollyon come out of that bottomless pit.

Apollo, your reading comprehension is poor my good man.



Revelation 9
1 the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. 2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.

Revelation 20
20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.



Apollo, do you not realize that you are giving glory to Apollyon as if you are Apollyon in a thread you crated that's denying the new testament and Jesus.

Unfortunately for you there is no reasoning or understanding behind you and your posts, for the vary word under which you identify being utter nonsense, thinking its from a lack of understanding, why you fail to understand the very things you so diligently deny,

Also you are wrong, "Apollymi" can not be found in James 4:12,
you have no clear awareness that in reality James 4:12 is in fact talking about you, your Attitude polarization is what Contributes to your Confirmation bias concerning Apollyon and James 4.



Yes ! You can thank Christianity for that, What could have been a great solar religion turned into a boogeyman , witch hunt. They slandered the teachings of the one known as Lucifer, the fallen one. Apolllyon, and the Moshiach /Mashiach whom they label as Anti Christ

Its a sad state of affairs.

 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


But, the Isaiah passage does not connect, either historically or theologically, with the New Testament passages about the devil or the satan. By listening to the Old Testament passage on its own terms within its own context, we discover that lucifer is not an Old Testament name for the devil or the satan. The passage in Isaiah 14:12-17 is mockery directed at the downfall of the arrogant Babylonian rulers. The fourteenth chapter of Isaiah is not about a fallen angel, but about a fallen Babylonian king, who during his lifetime had persecuted the children of Israel. It contains no mention of Satan, either by name or reference.

The passages primary meaning is given in Isaiah 14:4 which says that when Israel is restored they will "take up this taunt against the king of Babylon, Verse 12 is a part of this taunt song. This passage refers to the fall of that earthly king.

Isaiah 14:4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!

LOL
When Joseph Smith pretended to translate the supposed 'ancient record', he included the Lucifer verse in the Book of Mormon, the false Christian doctrine that "Lucifer" means Satan also spread into a third set of Mormon scriptures, the Pearl of Great Price, which describes a war in heaven based, in part, on Joseph Smith's incorrect interpretation of the word "Lucifer" which only appears in Isaiah.

In Latin at the time, "lucifer" actually meant Venus as a morning star. Isaiah is using this metaphor for a bright light, though not the greatest light to illustrate the apparent power of the Babylonian king which then faded."

By beginning with the New Testament, by making assumptions not supported by a closer examination of Scripture itself, and by using external theological categories as a lens through which to read Scripture, we may end up badly misreading Isaiah, myself included.

Theodoret of Cyrus (c. 393 – c. 457) wrote that Isaiah calls the king "morning star", not as being the star, but as having had the illusion of being it.




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amen!
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Man is falling for the same trick satan used in the beginning of the book, "you can be like god" and people will fall for it time after time. People don't want a God, they want to be God just like satan thought he could do, but learned that the created can never be over the creator.
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Yep. Satans servants are on earth doing satans will. They are known as jews.
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So, you think Judaism is Satanism? BTW, since I am a Kabbalist, sometimes I will use the New Testament to bring my point across, I want to clarify that is not in Orthodox or Tradition Judaism to do that.

However, Satan is the boogeyman, fairy tales , its time we moved on from that and took personal responsibility for our actions.
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Implying those that know Satan exists don't "took" personal responsibility for our actions

John 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
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Hell they already found their god- themselves.

FREE US FROM THE JEWISH JIHAD
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how can they look up in the sky, see that big ball of fire and not believe in jebus?

isn't it moronic?
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In Revelation we are introduced to Apollyon, who has the key to the bottomless pit. Apollymi can be found in James 4:12 which mentions the Lawgiver and the judge. ONE THERE IS A LAWGIVER AND JUDGE, he who is able to save and to destroy.

QOUTE:

Apollyon/Abbadon is based on Kalki (the Destroyer). He rides on a white horse .


Yes, Apollyon is the rider of the White Horse


 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST



Also you are wrong, "Apollymi" can not be found in James 4:12,
you have no clear awareness that in reality James 4 is in fact talking about you, not as you being apollyon, but as you being a friend of the world and the devil.
Your Attitude polarization is what Contributes to your Confirmation bias concerning Apollyon and James 4.



James:
Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.  Or do you suppose it is to no purpose that the Scripture says, “He yearns jealously over the spirit that he has made to dwell in us”? 6 But he gives more grace. Therefore it says, “God opposes the proud, but gives grace to the humble.” 7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. 8 Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you.
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Satan is the falling star and it is he who opens the Pit to allow one fallen angel out, one who was a king on earth before the flood. He went into the Pit when 10,000 holy angels battled them during the flood.

Re:17:11:
And the beast that was,
and is not,
even he is the eighth,
and is of the seven,
and goeth into perdition.

De:33:2:
And he said,
The LORD came from Sinai,
and rose up from Seir unto them;
he shined forth from mount Paran,
and he came with ten thousands of saints:
from his right hand went a fiery law for them.
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Also you are wrong, "Apollymi" can not be found in James 4:12,
you have no clear awareness that in reality James 4 is in fact talking about you, not as you being apollyon, but as you being a friend of the world and the devil.
Your Attitude polarization is what Contributes to your Confirmation bias concerning Apollyon and James 4.

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All of Jude is about fallen angels, care to go over that verse by verse?
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In Revelation we are introduced to Apollyon, who has the key to the bottomless pit. Apollymi can be found in James 4:12 which mentions the Lawgiver and the judge. ONE THERE IS A LAWGIVER AND JUDGE, he who is able to save and to destroy.

QOUTE:

Apollyon/Abbadon is based on Kalki (the Destroyer). He rides on a white horse .


Yes, Apollyon is the rider of the White Horse


 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST



Also you are wrong, "Apollymi" can not be found in James 4:12,
you have no clear awareness that in reality James 4 is in fact talking about you, not as you being apollyon, but as you being a friend of the world and the devil.
Your Attitude polarization is what Contributes to your Confirmation bias concerning Apollyon and James 4.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 503902


Apollo, listen carefully my friend, there is
only "one" who is both law-giver and judge of Law. That is God. There is only "one" who reserves to Himself the prerogatives either to save or to destroy. That is God. The slanderer (which is you) makes himself judge. He arrogates to himself the right to destroy. He tries to play god, Apollo, this is you. Therefore, the searching question: "Who are you who judge your neighbor? By no means Apollo is James forbidding us to use the Law to show people their sins so that they might repent.




Hmmmm...


Some interesting Jewish versus Christian teological debate going on here...


popcorn
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Christians need to realize that the Jewish people dont like their beliefs, Soccer Mom, Church Goer, says, PRAISE JAYYSSUS ! and goes to Israel to pick up her shofar horn souvenir and olive wood cross feeling the warm fuzzies

Is that what belief in Moshiach has been reduced to??? Some tourist, commercialism brag book? Staring at a fallen temple?
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Therefore, the searching question: "Who are you who judge your neighbor?

And Apollo, you need to realize that believers of Jesus Christ the glorious counselor do not care what others think or feel about their beliefs; suggesting such preposterous nonsense makes you appear threatening and ignorant.
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Jesus is a myth, the whole bible is made up.

The Hebrews were never in Egypt.

Jesus never existed.

The bible is a code book, a secret undetected,
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The term "mashiach" literally means "the anointed one," and refers to the ancient practice of anointing kings with oil when they took the throne. The mashiach is the one who will be anointed as king in the End of Days.

The word "mashiach" does not mean "savior." The notion of an innocent, divine or semi-divine being who will sacrifice himself to save us from the consequences of our own sins is a purely Christian concept that has no basis in Jewish thought. Unfortunately, this Christian concept has become so deeply ingrained in the English word "messiah" that this English word can no longer be used to refer to the Jewish concept. The word "mashiach" will be used throughout this page.

[link to www.jewfaq.org]
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yaaa but.. the "oil" that annoints is the seed from within that's delved from the gonads.

lovemaking with orgasm omitted.... raising the "oil" up al l33 vertebrae.. 33 degrees of masonry.. 33 yrs of the mythic christ.. to the head where the pineal is baptised..

the "messiah.. is not singular..

it is PLURAL

this "process" i've described activates superpowers within the human.

no man will lead a world without super powers

you will see supermen rise in the near months.

laugh it up fuzzball..

just watch.
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^^THIS^^
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The term "mashiach" literally means "the anointed one," and refers to the ancient practice of anointing kings with oil when they took the throne. The mashiach is the one who will be anointed as king in the End of Days.

The word "mashiach" does not mean "savior." The notion of an innocent, divine or semi-divine being who will sacrifice himself to save us from the consequences of our own sins is a purely Christian concept that has no basis in Jewish thought. Unfortunately, this Christian concept has become so deeply ingrained in the English word "messiah" that this English word can no longer be used to refer to the Jewish concept. The word "mashiach" will be used throughout this page.

[link to www.jewfaq.org]
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


yaaa but.. the "oil" that annoints is the seed from within that's delved from the gonads.

lovemaking with orgasm omitted.... raising the "oil" up al l33 vertebrae.. 33 degrees of masonry.. 33 yrs of the mythic christ.. to the head where the pineal is baptised..

the "messiah.. is not singular..

it is PLURAL

this "process" i've described activates superpowers within the human.

no man will lead a world without super powers

you will see supermen rise in the near months.

laugh it up fuzzball..

just watch.
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^^THIS^^
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Hmmmm...


Some interesting Jewish versus Christian teological debate going on here...


popcorn
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Christians need to realize that the Jewish people dont like their beliefs, Soccer Mom, Church Goer, says, PRAISE JAYYSSUS ! and goes to Israel to pick up her shofar horn souvenir and olive wood cross feeling the warm fuzzies

Is that what belief in Moshiach has been reduced to??? Some tourist, commercialism brag book? Staring at a fallen temple?
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


The Papacy is responsible for this.

You can't fool the almighty.

It's comming like a river

Tick

Tock

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Hmmmm...


Some interesting Jewish versus Christian teological debate going on here...


popcorn
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Christians need to realize that the Jewish people dont like their beliefs, Soccer Mom, Church Goer, says, PRAISE JAYYSSUS ! and goes to Israel to pick up her shofar horn souvenir and olive wood cross feeling the warm fuzzies

Is that what belief in Moshiach has been reduced to??? Some tourist, commercialism brag book? Staring at a fallen temple?
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST


The Papacy is responsible for this.

You can't fool the almighty.

It's comming like a river

Tick

Tock

hf
There is nothing so powerful as truth, and often nothing so strange ~ Daniel Webster

Omnia Vincit Amor ~ Virgil

The more you learn, the less you know ~ Socrates

That writer does the most, who gives his reader the most knowledge, and takes from him the least time. ~ Charles Caleb Colton
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Isaiah 9:6

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
 Quoting: No Dhimmi


Isaiah 9:6 does nt satm that.

It says this...

9:6 For a child is born to us, and a son is given to us, whose government is upon his shoulder: and his name is called the Messenger of great counsel: for I will bring peace upon the princes, and health to him.

The KJV IS CORRUPTED, the septuagint is the bible jesus used and is not corrupted.
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The term "mashiach" literally means "the anointed one," and refers to the ancient practice of anointing kings with oil when they took the throne. The mashiach is the one who will be anointed as king in the End of Days.

The word "mashiach" does not mean "savior." The notion of an innocent, divine or semi-divine being who will sacrifice himself to save us from the consequences of our own sins is a purely Christian concept that has no basis in Jewish thought. Unfortunately, this Christian concept has become so deeply ingrained in the English word "messiah" that this English word can no longer be used to refer to the Jewish concept. The word "mashiach" will be used throughout this page.

[link to www.jewfaq.org]
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[[eyeroll]]

more ignorant shit.
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Probably a ploy to stop Christian from coming there and fall ill with Jerusalem Syndrome, like anybody would intentionally want the cure, 10 days under house arrest with Shin Bet as the 'sitters'. I was so wanting to try that cornstarch in water thing in a fountain in Jerusalem, that would require packing around a few bags of 'fine white powder', I assume that would also get you some time with Shin Bet.
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Many Jews at the time did believe. Today's talmudic judaism is different than before.
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Many Jews at the time did believe. Today's talmudic judaism is different than before.
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Thats right. The real jews aka judahites of today are torah believing orthodox jews. They despise zionism.
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