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So let me get this again..Thanksgiving is when we came over here, shared some food then slaughtered the natives and stold their land ?

 
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So let me get this again..Thanksgiving is when we came over here, shared some food then slaughtered the natives and stold their land ?
Is that about right ?
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Re: So let me get this again..Thanksgiving is when we came over here, shared some food then slaughtered the natives and stold their land ?
Nope. You came here. Pretty all damn near starved to death. Were fed by my ancestors and kept alive out of the kindness of there hearts. Then you stabbed them in the back, like the true treacherous fiends of hell that you are, By murdering most of them the following spring.

Fucking demons.
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The real story of the first Thanksgiving.

Every year around this time, most schoolchildren hear the same ol’ Thanksgiving story in their classrooms across the nation. That so-called official story is a heartwarming tale of how the Pilgrims and Native Americans shared a bountiful feast together. But it does not tell the full truth about what really happened on the Plymouth Plantation.

We’re told that the Pilgrims struggled for their survival when they landed in present-day Massachusetts in the 1620’s. Half of the Pilgrims starved to death or went back to England during the first year alone because of harsh winter weather and their lack of proper farming skills. Their chronic food shortages were ultimately resolved when the Native Americans taught the Pilgrims how to plant corn the following spring and together they celebrated their blessings with a huge feast.

That "official" story is nothing like what actually happened. For evidence of the failures of communism, we do not need to look to disastrous experiments in foreign lands. The Plymouth Plantation, one of the first English colonial ventures in North America, is actually one of the most evident examples of the failures of collectivism.

Centuries before the Communist Manifesto was even published, the Pilgrims set up an economic system that looked similar to the “utopia” advocated by Karl Marx. In the early years of the Plymouth Plantation, there was no such thing as private property. All property was held in common and it was forbidden for anyone to produce their own food. It was up to the plantation officials to distribute food and supplies to the Pilgrims based on equality and need.

The Plantation leaders showed their immense lack of knowledge regarding basic economic principles. Plymouth County Governor William Bradford wrote that, “the taking away of property, and bringing in community into a common wealth, would make them happy and flourishing.” That clearly was not the case since the Pilgrims experienced great despair and massive food shortages for several years.

The Plymouth Plantation lacked the appropriate incentive structure. As economics Professor Benjamin Powell writes, “bad weather or lack of farming knowledge did not cause the pilgrims’ shortages. Bad economic incentives did.” Many Pilgrims faked illness or stole instead of working in the fields to produce food. William Bradford later wrote that the colony was filled with "corruption," and with "confusion and discontent." He stated that the crops were so small because “much was stolen both by night and day, before it became scarce eatable."

William Bradford finally decided to change course by implementing a new economic system in 1623. He assigned “every family a parcel of land” to do with it as they saw fit and the results were nothing short of miraculous. For the first time in the New World, families could enjoy the fruits of their labor. While it was not a complete private property system, the move away from collectivism saved the Pilgrims. As Governor William Bradford wrote that year, "instead of famine now God gave them plenty.”

Never again did the Pilgrims face widespread starvation and food shortages. Governor William Bradford wrote that this more capitalist system "had very good success for it made all hands very industrious, so as much more corn was planted than otherwise would have been. By this time harvest was come…the face of things was changed, to the rejoicing of the hearts of many." The colonists actually produced so much food in 1623 that they starting exporting corn. The Pilgrims were able to celebrate all of their blessings with plentiful feasts.

The real story of Thanksgiving shows why freedom works and collectivism doesn’t. Let us not forget the lessons of colonial America: collectivism will always fail to produce a happy and prosperous society.

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Ya guns verses bow and arrows wasnt exactly fair
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Re: So let me get this again..Thanksgiving is when we came over here, shared some food then slaughtered the natives and stold their land ?
I think both of you should be more well versed in actual history

There was more native on native killing for 200 years before 1776
Than the settlers could have ever matched period

Learn history before mouthing revisionist bullshit
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Re: So let me get this again..Thanksgiving is when we came over here, shared some food then slaughtered the natives and stold their land ?
It wasn't the Indians land.

they stole it from the earlier owners

and so on and so on.

Just because they were here at that moment in time does not mean they had any legal or moral right to own the land.


In prehistoric America, resources "belonged" to whomever had the force to take it.

End of story.
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Re: So let me get this again..Thanksgiving is when we came over here, shared some food then slaughtered the natives and stold their land ?
I think both of you should be more well versed in actual history

There was more native on native killing for 200 years before 1776
Than the settlers could have ever matched period

Learn history before mouthing revisionist bullshit
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You are so dumb. Where's the data? Hmmm... that's so bullsit disinfo.
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Re: So let me get this again..Thanksgiving is when we came over here, shared some food then slaughtered the natives and stold their land ?
we did no such thing, that was over 300 years ago
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Re: So let me get this again..Thanksgiving is when we came over here, shared some food then slaughtered the natives and stold their land ?
It wasn't the Indians land.

they stole it from the earlier owners

and so on and so on.

Just because they were here at that moment in time does not mean they had any legal or moral right to own the land.


In prehistoric America, resources "belonged" to whomever had the force to take it.

End of story.
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Actually, most tribes believed you only owned something like land, or a canoe, or a knife, if you were actually using it. Once you stopped using something, it was considered community property. That is why the European idea of actual property ownership was so very confusing to the native Americans. They could not grasp the concept of putting up fences to mark where you property ends and begins. They just couldn't understand the concept of ownership as the Europeans saw it.

As you can imagine, this caused a lot of conflicts.
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Americans celebrating the murder of indigenous people, just goes to show nothing changes, a paranoid nation fullstop.
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Re: So let me get this again..Thanksgiving is when we came over here, shared some food then slaughtered the natives and stold their land ?
Nope. You came here. Pretty all damn near starved to death. Were fed by my ancestors and kept alive out of the kindness of there hearts. Then you stabbed them in the back, like the true treacherous fiends of hell that you are, By murdering most of them the following spring.

Fucking demons.
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Sorry Bro!
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Is that about right ?
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Please shut-up until you learn the facts, you know-nothing.
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Re: So let me get this again..Thanksgiving is when we came over here, shared some food then slaughtered the natives and stold their land ?
Nope. You came here. Pretty all damn near starved to death. Were fed by my ancestors and kept alive out of the kindness of there hearts. Then you stabbed them in the back, like the true treacherous fiends of hell that you are, By murdering most of them the following spring.

Fucking demons.
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Oh please, Hiawatha. You know nothing of the truth. Go research the REAL story.
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Re: So let me get this again..Thanksgiving is when we came over here, shared some food then slaughtered the natives and stold their land ?
so some people fought and conquered some other people. yep this is the first time in history this was ever done and it only happened in america, ever. this was never done any other time in human history. amazing.
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did we club the Hawaiians in the head and take their Island too ?
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Re: So let me get this again..Thanksgiving is when we came over here, shared some food then slaughtered the natives and stold their land ?
I think both of you should be more well versed in actual history

There was more native on native killing for 200 years before 1776
Than the settlers could have ever matched period

Learn history before mouthing revisionist bullshit
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YOU are the revisionist dude, small pox killed way more than the Natives did.
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Re: So let me get this again..Thanksgiving is when we came over here, shared some food then slaughtered the natives and stold their land ?
Nope. You came here. Pretty all damn near starved to death. Were fed by my ancestors and kept alive out of the kindness of there hearts. Then you stabbed them in the back, like the true treacherous fiends of hell that you are, By murdering most of them the following spring.

Fucking demons.
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No the real truth is we cam here we saw what savages the redskins were. They stole land from the Sasquatch, they would eat babies from each others tribes, and we found a cave where the indians trapped several red head giants and killed them. To make amends the indians should turn over there casinos to the remaining sasquatch. Unfortunately the Indians were told to do all this by their invisible spirit pets.
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OMG... thats a good one !!! Thanks for the laugh !!!
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The real story of the first Thanksgiving.

Every year around this time, most schoolchildren hear the same ol’ Thanksgiving story in their classrooms across the nation. That so-called official story is a heartwarming tale of how the Pilgrims and Native Americans shared a bountiful feast together. But it does not tell the full truth about what really happened on the Plymouth Plantation.

We’re told that the Pilgrims struggled for their survival when they landed in present-day Massachusetts in the 1620’s. Half of the Pilgrims starved to death or went back to England during the first year alone because of harsh winter weather and their lack of proper farming skills. Their chronic food shortages were ultimately resolved when the Native Americans taught the Pilgrims how to plant corn the following spring and together they celebrated their blessings with a huge feast.

That "official" story is nothing like what actually happened. For evidence of the failures of communism, we do not need to look to disastrous experiments in foreign lands. The Plymouth Plantation, one of the first English colonial ventures in North America, is actually one of the most evident examples of the failures of collectivism.

Centuries before the Communist Manifesto was even published, the Pilgrims set up an economic system that looked similar to the “utopia” advocated by Karl Marx. In the early years of the Plymouth Plantation, there was no such thing as private property. All property was held in common and it was forbidden for anyone to produce their own food. It was up to the plantation officials to distribute food and supplies to the Pilgrims based on equality and need.

The Plantation leaders showed their immense lack of knowledge regarding basic economic principles. Plymouth County Governor William Bradford wrote that, “the taking away of property, and bringing in community into a common wealth, would make them happy and flourishing.” That clearly was not the case since the Pilgrims experienced great despair and massive food shortages for several years.

The Plymouth Plantation lacked the appropriate incentive structure. As economics Professor Benjamin Powell writes, “bad weather or lack of farming knowledge did not cause the pilgrims’ shortages. Bad economic incentives did.” Many Pilgrims faked illness or stole instead of working in the fields to produce food. William Bradford later wrote that the colony was filled with "corruption," and with "confusion and discontent." He stated that the crops were so small because “much was stolen both by night and day, before it became scarce eatable."

William Bradford finally decided to change course by implementing a new economic system in 1623. He assigned “every family a parcel of land” to do with it as they saw fit and the results were nothing short of miraculous. For the first time in the New World, families could enjoy the fruits of their labor. While it was not a complete private property system, the move away from collectivism saved the Pilgrims. As Governor William Bradford wrote that year, "instead of famine now God gave them plenty.”

Never again did the Pilgrims face widespread starvation and food shortages. Governor William Bradford wrote that this more capitalist system "had very good success for it made all hands very industrious, so as much more corn was planted than otherwise would have been. By this time harvest was come…the face of things was changed, to the rejoicing of the hearts of many." The colonists actually produced so much food in 1623 that they starting exporting corn. The Pilgrims were able to celebrate all of their blessings with plentiful feasts.

The real story of Thanksgiving shows why freedom works and collectivism doesn’t. Let us not forget the lessons of colonial America: collectivism will always fail to produce a happy and prosperous society.

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Re: So let me get this again..Thanksgiving is when we came over here, shared some food then slaughtered the natives and stold their land ?
It wasn't the Indians land.

they stole it from the earlier owners

and so on and so on.

Just because they were here at that moment in time does not mean they had any legal or moral right to own the land.


In prehistoric America, resources "belonged" to whomever had the force to take it.

End of story.
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Descendants of white Europeans always come up with these explanations "we didn't steal the land of the natives, they stole from somebody else first", "we didn't enslave Africans, they sold their own kind to us", "we didn't do this, we didn't do that"...

violin jerkit
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Is that about right ?
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yup, about sums it up.
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The real story of the first Thanksgiving.

Every year around this time, most schoolchildren hear the same ol’ Thanksgiving story in their classrooms across the nation. That so-called official story is a heartwarming tale of how the Pilgrims and Native Americans shared a bountiful feast together. But it does not tell the full truth about what really happened on the Plymouth Plantation.

We’re told that the Pilgrims struggled for their survival when they landed in present-day Massachusetts in the 1620’s. Half of the Pilgrims starved to death or went back to England during the first year alone because of harsh winter weather and their lack of proper farming skills. Their chronic food shortages were ultimately resolved when the Native Americans taught the Pilgrims how to plant corn the following spring and together they celebrated their blessings with a huge feast.

That "official" story is nothing like what actually happened. For evidence of the failures of communism, we do not need to look to disastrous experiments in foreign lands. The Plymouth Plantation, one of the first English colonial ventures in North America, is actually one of the most evident examples of the failures of collectivism.

Centuries before the Communist Manifesto was even published, the Pilgrims set up an economic system that looked similar to the “utopia” advocated by Karl Marx. In the early years of the Plymouth Plantation, there was no such thing as private property. All property was held in common and it was forbidden for anyone to produce their own food. It was up to the plantation officials to distribute food and supplies to the Pilgrims based on equality and need.

The Plantation leaders showed their immense lack of knowledge regarding basic economic principles. Plymouth County Governor William Bradford wrote that, “the taking away of property, and bringing in community into a common wealth, would make them happy and flourishing.” That clearly was not the case since the Pilgrims experienced great despair and massive food shortages for several years.

The Plymouth Plantation lacked the appropriate incentive structure. As economics Professor Benjamin Powell writes, “bad weather or lack of farming knowledge did not cause the pilgrims’ shortages. Bad economic incentives did.” Many Pilgrims faked illness or stole instead of working in the fields to produce food. William Bradford later wrote that the colony was filled with "corruption," and with "confusion and discontent." He stated that the crops were so small because “much was stolen both by night and day, before it became scarce eatable."

William Bradford finally decided to change course by implementing a new economic system in 1623. He assigned “every family a parcel of land” to do with it as they saw fit and the results were nothing short of miraculous. For the first time in the New World, families could enjoy the fruits of their labor. While it was not a complete private property system, the move away from collectivism saved the Pilgrims. As Governor William Bradford wrote that year, "instead of famine now God gave them plenty.”

Never again did the Pilgrims face widespread starvation and food shortages. Governor William Bradford wrote that this more capitalist system "had very good success for it made all hands very industrious, so as much more corn was planted than otherwise would have been. By this time harvest was come…the face of things was changed, to the rejoicing of the hearts of many." The colonists actually produced so much food in 1623 that they starting exporting corn. The Pilgrims were able to celebrate all of their blessings with plentiful feasts.

The real story of Thanksgiving shows why freedom works and collectivism doesn’t. Let us not forget the lessons of colonial America: collectivism will always fail to produce a happy and prosperous society.

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cite your references otherwise I just throw up the bsflag
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Re: So let me get this again..Thanksgiving is when we came over here, shared some food then slaughtered the natives and stold their land ?
did we club the Hawaiians in the head and take their Island too ?
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yea we took it, but from my understanding we didn't have to do it through violence. We just went there and exiled the queen and said "you douchebags are american now, deal with it".
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Is that about right ?
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Yup

Sort of like what Isreal is doing..
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We came here in the name of Empire.

So that sounds about right.
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Get over it, we're past cowboys and Indians, now it's cowboys and Muslims...
With freedom comes responsibility.

Heterosexual pride!

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Re: So let me get this again..Thanksgiving is when we came over here, shared some food then slaughtered the natives and stold their land ?
It wasn't the Indians land.

they stole it from the earlier owners

and so on and so on.

Just because they were here at that moment in time does not mean they had any legal or moral right to own the land.


In prehistoric America, resources "belonged" to whomever had the force to take it.

End of story.
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Actually, most tribes believed you only owned something like land, or a canoe, or a knife, if you were actually using it. Once you stopped using something, it was considered community property. That is why the European idea of actual property ownership was so very confusing to the native Americans. They could not grasp the concept of putting up fences to mark where you property ends and begins. They just couldn't understand the concept of ownership as the Europeans saw it.

As you can imagine, this caused a lot of conflicts.
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The real story of the first Thanksgiving.

Every year around this time, most schoolchildren hear the same ol’ Thanksgiving story in their classrooms across the nation. That so-called official story is a heartwarming tale of how the Pilgrims and Native Americans shared a bountiful feast together. But it does not tell the full truth about what really happened on the Plymouth Plantation.

We’re told that the Pilgrims struggled for their survival when they landed in present-day Massachusetts in the 1620’s. Half of the Pilgrims starved to death or went back to England during the first year alone because of harsh winter weather and their lack of proper farming skills. Their chronic food shortages were ultimately resolved when the Native Americans taught the Pilgrims how to plant corn the following spring and together they celebrated their blessings with a huge feast.

That "official" story is nothing like what actually happened. For evidence of the failures of communism, we do not need to look to disastrous experiments in foreign lands. The Plymouth Plantation, one of the first English colonial ventures in North America, is actually one of the most evident examples of the failures of collectivism.

Centuries before the Communist Manifesto was even published, the Pilgrims set up an economic system that looked similar to the “utopia” advocated by Karl Marx. In the early years of the Plymouth Plantation, there was no such thing as private property. All property was held in common and it was forbidden for anyone to produce their own food. It was up to the plantation officials to distribute food and supplies to the Pilgrims based on equality and need.

The Plantation leaders showed their immense lack of knowledge regarding basic economic principles. Plymouth County Governor William Bradford wrote that, “the taking away of property, and bringing in community into a common wealth, would make them happy and flourishing.” That clearly was not the case since the Pilgrims experienced great despair and massive food shortages for several years.

The Plymouth Plantation lacked the appropriate incentive structure. As economics Professor Benjamin Powell writes, “bad weather or lack of farming knowledge did not cause the pilgrims’ shortages. Bad economic incentives did.” Many Pilgrims faked illness or stole instead of working in the fields to produce food. William Bradford later wrote that the colony was filled with "corruption," and with "confusion and discontent." He stated that the crops were so small because “much was stolen both by night and day, before it became scarce eatable."

William Bradford finally decided to change course by implementing a new economic system in 1623. He assigned “every family a parcel of land” to do with it as they saw fit and the results were nothing short of miraculous. For the first time in the New World, families could enjoy the fruits of their labor. While it was not a complete private property system, the move away from collectivism saved the Pilgrims. As Governor William Bradford wrote that year, "instead of famine now God gave them plenty.”

Never again did the Pilgrims face widespread starvation and food shortages. Governor William Bradford wrote that this more capitalist system "had very good success for it made all hands very industrious, so as much more corn was planted than otherwise would have been. By this time harvest was come…the face of things was changed, to the rejoicing of the hearts of many." The colonists actually produced so much food in 1623 that they starting exporting corn. The Pilgrims were able to celebrate all of their blessings with plentiful feasts.

The real story of Thanksgiving shows why freedom works and collectivism doesn’t. Let us not forget the lessons of colonial America: collectivism will always fail to produce a happy and prosperous society.

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clappa
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Get over it, we're past cowboys and Indians, now it's cowboys and Muslims...
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Exactly my point!

I will have no part in it any more. Same old BS. Just bigger weapons.
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Get over it, we're past cowboys and Indians, now it's cowboys and Muslims...
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ohyeah
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Is that about right ?
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Not unless you are reading Leftist, revised History, again!
Most original settlers found the Natives to be Friendly, they even helped the new arrivals. They lived together, but as the nature of man is, conflicts arose. European factions spurred this conflict to try to exploit it for political gain. Eventually the weaker Native tribes were dominated by the Stronger European's.
Historical Revisionists forget that the Indians had been doing this to each other for Centuries, before the White man ever set foot in America.

That is perfectly OK though, as it does not appeal to the White Guilt Syndrome, that they are affected with.

So unless you are infected with, White Guilt Syndrome yourself, do some research and get the real facts.
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Re: So let me get this again..Thanksgiving is when we came over here, shared some food then slaughtered the natives and stold their land ?
Nope. You came here. Pretty all damn near starved to death. Were fed by my ancestors and kept alive out of the kindness of there hearts. Then you stabbed them in the back, like the true treacherous fiends of hell that you are, By murdering most of them the following spring.

Fucking demons.
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That you, cousin?

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