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What do we do with our pets if disaster strikes and chaos ensues? DON"T FORGET TO PREP FOR THEM TOO!

 
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Buy extra food for your pets now. If nothing happens you can always donate it to a food bank or give it away free on craigslist.
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Rotate the food by consuming the oldest food first and then replacing it so you always have a good stash. Cans usually good a few years; dry food oxidizes from fat content after 6 months to a year or so depending upon storage temperature (hot garage not a good storage spot)

Food in mylar bags with oxygen absorber packets and sealed up with an ordinary iron will last several years. You can get the materials needed online or from a local LDS (Mormon) warehouse store, most of which now sell to the public as they realize the better prepared their community is, the better off THEY are.

Feed stores are usually the best places to get non-GMO pet food at a reasonable price. Don't buy anything with corn or soy in it. You can also stock up on worm pills, and liquid ivermectim to prevent heartworms at the feed store. Be sure you research exactly how to use the ivermectin!
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According to Nancy Lieder and the Zetatards, your dog makes for some good eatin'....
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Nancy is bat shit insane. She should be bitten.
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The best way to prep for your animal is with carrots, celery and onions (mirepois), some herbs, and maybe some dry red wine to deglaze with.

YUM!
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I've written many posts about this topic, because many people have pets and some are preppers.

Obviously if you do care about your animal and you also want to be frugal, then you purchase their food when it's on sale and rotate it so they have plenty but save yourself money. Hey, that's real prepping not buying bugout bags...hmmm

Let's say you have a dog or cat. What do they eat in Nature? They're mammals that are predators and eat meat. In a collapse, you could easily harvest by trapping small rodents and supplement their diet from your pet food supplies. Trapping is the way our ancestors most often ate meat, not hunting which is way more demanding of calories used to produce work.

Many diseases are spread by pets from their fecal matter. For example, in a collapse, local water supplies could be compromised and people and pets would drink from contaminated streams or lakes. Pets could get amebic dyssentary or they could get toxoplasmosis gondii or they could get about six different varieties of worms. This means know how it's spread, making sure your pet drinks clean water, knowing how to find water and dig wells, not allowing their fecal matter to be composted and recycled in your garden, etc.

In a collapse, you might become their veterinarian. It's that or if they get sick, they'll potentially die. If you care about them, they maybe you download the veterinarian manuals about their specific needs and learn how you might best limit their exposure to common ailments and how you might treat them. You probably won't have medicines. How did our ancestors treat them? Learn by reading history.

It's that or putting them down when they get sick and potentially infectious and making other community animals sick. Do you really want to do that? Do you have the capability and know-how to do it so they don't suffer? If not, then it will be cruel when you have to do it, and make mistakes and they suffer worse because of your ineptness.

It's been hypothesized that many people will abandon their pets in a disaster based upon previous history with say Hurricanes or wartime. When that happens, animals go feral. Dogs will run in packs and share their diseases. Because a dog is a social creature that likes to be around humanity, but may have lost its normal fear and docility from taking care of itself, a feral dog has a high chance of attacking a weaker human in order to survive.

People worry a lot about wolf attacks, but there's little documentation about them. It's far more likely for a dog to attack, and especially when it has gone feral. Some species of dog will interbreed with coyotes or wolves too, and then become a very dangeous species to deal with.

These are the basic kinds of issues with dogs and cats in a collapse.
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Fantastic informative post. Thank you!
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You're welcome. More than 700 posts on similar topics here:
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I've written many posts about this topic, because many people have pets and some are preppers.

Obviously if you do care about your animal and you also want to be frugal, then you purchase their food when it's on sale and rotate it so they have plenty but save yourself money. Hey, that's real prepping not buying bugout bags...hmmm

Let's say you have a dog or cat. What do they eat in Nature? They're mammals that are predators and eat meat. In a collapse, you could easily harvest by trapping small rodents and supplement their diet from your pet food supplies. Trapping is the way our ancestors most often ate meat, not hunting which is way more demanding of calories used to produce work.

Many diseases are spread by pets from their fecal matter. For example, in a collapse, local water supplies could be compromised and people and pets would drink from contaminated streams or lakes. Pets could get amebic dyssentary or they could get toxoplasmosis gondii or they could get about six different varieties of worms. This means know how it's spread, making sure your pet drinks clean water, knowing how to find water and dig wells, not allowing their fecal matter to be composted and recycled in your garden, etc.

In a collapse, you might become their veterinarian. It's that or if they get sick, they'll potentially die. If you care about them, they maybe you download the veterinarian manuals about their specific needs and learn how you might best limit their exposure to common ailments and how you might treat them. You probably won't have medicines. How did our ancestors treat them? Learn by reading history.

It's that or putting them down when they get sick and potentially infectious and making other community animals sick. Do you really want to do that? Do you have the capability and know-how to do it so they don't suffer? If not, then it will be cruel when you have to do it, and make mistakes and they suffer worse because of your ineptness.

It's been hypothesized that many people will abandon their pets in a disaster based upon previous history with say Hurricanes or wartime. When that happens, animals go feral. Dogs will run in packs and share their diseases. Because a dog is a social creature that likes to be around humanity, but may have lost its normal fear and docility from taking care of itself, a feral dog has a high chance of attacking a weaker human in order to survive.

People worry a lot about wolf attacks, but there's little documentation about them. It's far more likely for a dog to attack, and especially when it has gone feral. Some species of dog will interbreed with coyotes or wolves too, and then become a very dangeous species to deal with.

These are the basic kinds of issues with dogs and cats in a collapse.
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If one can stay in place then your ideas are great. But lets be honest here. Most people about 90% of them will abondon their pets. Dog will pack up and yes they will kill eveything including humans. They will kill all the little dogs first. Little dogs are history. Bigger dogs like shepherds with good insulated coats would be in for the long run.

Wolves to not mate with dogs or coyotes. They would kill any that they met along the way. Please give me a break on that one.

Domestic dogs males would mate with female coyotes if they let them. Thats rare. Most coyotes are smaller and would have a similar fate as small dogs.

As far as trapping game for your dogs. Hope you live in the country and you will probably be eating what you catch yourself and maybe you would share.

To the girl who's going to pack her cats and a litter box around. Good fucking god. Are you kidding me...? Better think again you fool. Not going to work out well for them. Get over it and do the right thing for your animals guys and you better have a way of putting them down a well though out one otherwise your an idiot.
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Thank you for your well thought reasonable reply. You're obviously thinking ahead. I applaud your efforts.

Feral dogs are indeed the main issue. Their disease will be worse than their attacks, for that can pollute the water supply and any gardens primarily.

While dog attacks are common, they'll prey upon lower mammals and what birds then can catch. Most dogs alone can't kill a human, but they could severely injure one especially if working in a pack. Any dog bite or even fleeing and breaking a limb would probably result in a bacterial infection and possible death.

Ever hear of a Timber Shepherd? It's a wolf-German Shepherd hybrid. It is possible, but not probable as they're deliberately bred to produce them. Coyote/dog hybrids have occured with some frequency and they're called coydogs. They happen anywhere, for now there have been coyote sitings and coyote attacks in places like LA, not just rural places.

I do live in the country, and yes, trapping will be the primary means of animal protein outside of raising livestock. Mice exist everywhere than man does as well as wild places. Many large predator birds like red-tailed hawks, owls or large mammals like foxes, coyotes, eat rodents. It's only natural to attempt this post-collapse to feed your dogs. They are plentiful. The easiest way of catching mice is the bucket method detailed in the topic I usually post in. See previous posting.

Many dogs and cats were eaten in medieval sieges of towns/castles. We can expect this to happen. Since many people don't understand how to butcher an animal and not contaminating the meat, then we can expect a lot of people to get bloody dyssentary (Shigella) or severe bacterial infections from coliform bacteria like E coli.
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In response to an email from a fellow GPL member, I'd like to know everyones opinion on what we do with our pets if a major event strikes us. Many of us have pets and they're just as much a part of the family as children.
EDIT:--THE PURPOSE OF THIS POST IS TO RAISE AWARENESS THAT PEOPLE NEED TO PREPARE FOR THEIR PETS AS WELL, NOT JUST THEMSELVES. THERE SEEMS TO BE SOME CONFUSION HERE. I HAVE INDEED PREPARED FOR MY PETS, SO CHILL WITH THE HATEFULNESS.
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To be completely honest, I would kick my wife out of the truck to make room for my dog. Dog never nags, never complains, never tells me to do something I don't want to do, and will eat what I give her, sleeps on the bed without taking the covers.

Come to think about it, except for the few acts of intimacy and the children, why did I even get married?
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They are my babies....I have cats. Where we go,they go. Even if I have to put a litter box in the back of our SUV. I would never leave them behind.

Of course if we had to leave on foot I don't know what we would do. In that case a dog would be much easier to care for............but a cat? I just know that I would try........maybe I can put them in a baby carrier on my chest?
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Yes, that might work. Your cat would become docile, sensing your urgency and authority (under your fear and panic). My cat (who's a queen) generally tries to kill me when I pick her up, but on the few occasions when I had to grab her and run, she was very docile and just clung to me without a struggle. I think God has a hand there. He talks directly to his creatures, and they obey him. With humans, because of free will, we tend not to obey. But your cat will obey.

A baby carrier is a very good idea -- good for carrying the cat, and also good for keeping both the person and the cat warm (the cat warms the person and the person warms the cat).
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In response to an email from a fellow GPL member, I'd like to know everyones opinion on what we do with our pets if a major event strikes us. Many of us have pets and they're just as much a part of the family as children.
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just as much a part of the family AS CHILDREN??


granted, people love their pets, but if you had to choose, you would save your kids

i love my cats to bits but i dont regard them as 'just as important' as my kids


truth is, if people are pressed for time and the situation is dire enough, they will leave their pets, and save their children
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Who said you had to CHOOSE? SAVE 'EM BOTH DUH!
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They are my babies....I have cats. Where we go,they go. Even if I have to put a litter box in the back of our SUV. I would never leave them behind.

Of course if we had to leave on foot I don't know what we would do. In that case a dog would be much easier to care for............but a cat? I just know that I would try........maybe I can put them in a baby carrier on my chest?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9966035


Yes, that might work. Your cat would become docile, sensing your urgency and authority (under your fear and panic). My cat (who's a queen) generally tries to kill me when I pick her up, but on the few occasions when I had to grab her and run, she was very docile and just clung to me without a struggle. I think God has a hand there. He talks directly to his creatures, and they obey him. With humans, because of free will, we tend not to obey. But your cat will obey.

A baby carrier is a very good idea -- good for carrying the cat, and also good for keeping both the person and the cat warm (the cat warms the person and the person warms the cat).
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You people are lunatics. Keep clinging to your effing cats, while I'll try to save those who will actually contribute to the situation as a whole, whether its survival or rebuilding a broken world.

Animals have a natural habitat, and guess what? It's not your apartment/condo/house. If you feel guilty about leaving them behind and would rather spend money on cat food and take up space in your vehicle for it then go ahead. Domesticated animals can't fend for themselves because of you people. If you really love animals don't raise them in a completely unnatural habitat.
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They are my babies....I have cats. Where we go,they go. Even if I have to put a litter box in the back of our SUV. I would never leave them behind.

Of course if we had to leave on foot I don't know what we would do. In that case a dog would be much easier to care for............but a cat? I just know that I would try........maybe I can put them in a baby carrier on my chest?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9966035


Yes, that might work. Your cat would become docile, sensing your urgency and authority (under your fear and panic). My cat (who's a queen) generally tries to kill me when I pick her up, but on the few occasions when I had to grab her and run, she was very docile and just clung to me without a struggle. I think God has a hand there. He talks directly to his creatures, and they obey him. With humans, because of free will, we tend not to obey. But your cat will obey.

A baby carrier is a very good idea -- good for carrying the cat, and also good for keeping both the person and the cat warm (the cat warms the person and the person warms the cat).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24279842



You people are lunatics. Keep clinging to your effing cats, while I'll try to save those who will actually contribute to the situation as a whole, whether its survival or rebuilding a broken world.

Animals have a natural habitat, and guess what? It's not your apartment/condo/house. If you feel guilty about leaving them behind and would rather spend money on cat food and take up space in your vehicle for it then go ahead. Domesticated animals can't fend for themselves because of you people. If you really love animals don't raise them in a completely unnatural habitat.
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And us "lunatics" won't miss people like you.

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Re: What do we do with our pets if disaster strikes and chaos ensues? DON"T FORGET TO PREP FOR THEM TOO!
In response to an email from a fellow GPL member, I'd like to know everyones opinion on what we do with our pets if a major event strikes us. Many of us have pets and they're just as much a part of the family as children.
 Quoting: Whit3 Rabbit


If you have to ask this question, then you don't really love your pets.

You take care of them as best as you can, that's what you do with them.
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That last part is a total misinterpretation of the subject. He simply wants to know your thoughts on the care of your pets in an event. Why get all up in his face saying he does not care for his pets.

If you want to get pissy go after the jerks that said to eat them. Not someone who cares enough to bring up the topic.huffy
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My pets are as much a part of my family as any human. They will be taken care of; if I cannot take them with me somewhere...I will not go. We will be together whatever happens. Case closed.

What I want to know, what becomes of our pets if or when we enter the 4D State? Do animals exist in the higher dimensions? Can we hold them and they ascend with us...or do we vanish in the 3D earth and appear suddenly in the 4D earth alone? Naked? Same bodies? New strange bodies?

Does anybody have any ideas on this event as it pertains to animals? I do not really care for mindless conjecture on this subject. I realize the possibility that no one can know this.
I agree with the writer who said he would end their lives with as much kindness and speed as possible if the time came and the decision had to be made. As stated above…we would follow them at once. Life is not so precious to live it without faithfulness or love. Easy out in my book.
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Cats around to control rodents, GOOD.
De clawing a cat, STUPID.
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This ^^^ You bring them with you if you have to bug out. Feed them as best you can if you bug in. But they are animals, they can find their own food source if they are hungry enough. And if they're smart enough and loyal they will follow you, no leash required. If they get lost, they're on their own. As another poster stated, they are good for rodent control and protection/early warning.


Funny, that is how I think of people...but the dog and cats in my home have earned a much deeper respect. I will take care of them...people can take care of themselves. That includes kids over ten.
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Cats around to control rodents, GOOD.
De clawing a cat, STUPID.
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I agree. AND inhumane. When cats are declawed they actually cut off their "fingers" at the first knuckle. VERY VERY CRUEL.
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Set em free and let them find their own destiny.

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