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Rapture of the Church and the 7 year tribulation(actually 10 year tribulation)

 
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I will speak to you if you will not delete my posts. Are you good for your word?
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I will speak to you if you will not delete my posts. Are you good for your word?
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there are no gaurantees in life...lol
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there are no gaurantees in life...lol
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OK, fair enough, would you like to talk about Daniel 2
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tell me about it, but first tell me do you see it as already finished or can you see it as an end time event?
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WHEN JESUS CHRIST AROSE FROM THE GRAVE, HE TOOK THE KEYS FROM SATAN, WHO HAD, HAD THE CONTROL OF ALL THESE KINGDOMS.
WE DO NOT WRESTLE AGAINST FLESH AND BLOOD!

NEBUCHADNEZZERS IMAGE WAS CRUSHED 2000 YEARS AGO ON CALVARY!

Daniel 2:31-45


“You, O king, were watching; and behold, a great image! (Earth) This great image, whose splendor was excellent, stood before you; and its form was awesome. This image’s head was of fine gold, its chest and arms of silver, its belly and thighs of bronze, its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of clay. You watched while a stone was cut out without hands, which struck the image on its feet of iron and clay, and broke them in pieces. (Jesus Christ broke the curse of sin and death!)

“Earth was in full possession of Satan before Jesus Christ rose from the grave”

1.“The Law”, 2. “The Flesh” 3. “The Grave” 4. “The Sting Of Death” and
5. “the World”

Then the iron, (The Law) the clay, (Flesh) the bronze, (The grave) the silver, (Sin and death) and (The world) the gold were crushed together, and became like chaff from the summer threshing floors; the wind carried them away so that no trace of them was found. And the stone (Jesus Christ) that struck the image (The image of jealously in Ezekiel is this fallen earth that men worship more than God Himself) became a great mountain and filled the whole earth.
“This marvelous, gracious, selfless act of mercy was given for us all 2000 years ago”

“This is the dream. Now we will tell the interpretation of it before the king. You, O king, are a king of kings. For the God of heaven has given you a kingdom, power, strength, and glory; and wherever the children of men dwell, or the beasts of the field and the birds of the heaven, He has given them into your hand, and has made you ruler over them all—you are this head of gold. <<<<< The world!
(You king Nebuchadnezzar are the king of all MYSTERY BABYLON/ THE WORLD!)

But after you shall arise another kingdom inferior to yours; then another, a third kingdom of bronze, which shall rule over all the earth. (SIN is the sting of DEATH)


And the fourth kingdom shall be as strong as iron, inasmuch as iron breaks in pieces and shatters everything; and like iron that crushes, that kingdom will break in pieces and crush all the others.
The Law was the strength of sin and death and subdued all other kingdoms, until Jesus Christ came to reign!

Whereas you saw the feet and toes, partly of potter’s clay and partly of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; yet the

1Timothy
Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,


strength of the iron shall be in it, just as you saw iron mixed with ceramic clay. And as the toes of the
The Law prevailed over mankind until Christ!



feet were partly of iron and partly of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly fragile.
The Law was made for Weak Man The Law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh!
The understanding of sin and death came by The Law, CLAY = THE WEAK FLESH!


Romans 8:3 Iron and partly clay/ Partly strong and partly fragile
There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.
For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.


As you saw iron mixed with ceramic clay, they will mingle with the seed of men;
THE TEN COMMANDMENTS MEN CANNOT KEEP LAWS

but they will not adhere to one another, just as iron does not mix with clay.
IRON LITERALLY DOES NOT MIX WITH CLAY!
THE LAW DOES NOT MIX WITH FLESH!


And in the days of these kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed;

All the attributes of Satan were conquered by our Savior Jesus Christ on Calvary! THE TEN COMMANDMENTS WERE CONQURED BY JESUS CHRIST, HE ESTABLISHED HIS KINGDOM 2000 YEARS AGO!


and the kingdom shall not be left to other people;

The Kingdom Of Jesus Christ is for all mankind !

it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever.

The Kingdom Of Jesus Christ has consumed all kingdoms of earth “ The kingdoms of this world HAVE BECOME THE KINGDOMS OF OUR GOD AND OF HIS CHRIST AND HE SHALL REIGN FOREVER!


Inasmuch as you saw that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it broke in

Jesus Christ was not born of human seed, He was born of The Seed Of God Himself!


1. 2. 3. 4. 5.
pieces the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold—
The Law, The Grave, The Flesh, The sting Of The “Second” Death, Babylon/ The World!



These five Kingdoms were the mortal enemies of man ….. mankind lost every battle against these Kingdoms before our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ won the victory for us all! Only God’s Only Begotten Son Could and Did Win The Victory 2000 years ago on Calvary!

the great God has made known to the king what will come to pass after this. The dream is certain, and its interpretation is sure.”
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Isaiah 7:3


Then said the LORD unto Isaiah, (The salvation of the Lord) Go forth now to meet Ahaz, (The remnant) thou, and Shearjashub (The faithful remnant who remain) thy son, at the end of the conduit (At the passage way “The Door”) of the upper (The Higher Place, “Heaven”) pool (Cistern of “Pure Water, Holiness”) in the highway (The High Road, the only way to Heaven) of the fuller's (The One Who cleans garments/ souls!) field; (In the Wheat Field/ The Church)



“THIS IS THE MEANING OF ISAIAH 7:3”


“The salvation of The Lord is here now to meet the remnant, the remnant who remain at The Door of Heaven, this is where Pure Water Of Holiness washes us on the High Road To Heaven, Jesus Christ washes our sins away and makes prosperous wheat grow in the field!”


Christian, begin at the out flowing end of Love Who Is Jesus Christ washing us in Forgiveness, He is Faithful to show us Heaven and 100% Purify our mind and soul, He alone can make men worthy to enter His Fathers Kingdom!
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WHEN JESUS CHRIST AROSE FROM THE GRAVE, HE TOOK THE KEYS FROM SATAN, WHO HAD, HAD THE CONTROL OF ALL THESE KINGDOMS.
WE DO NOT WRESTLE AGAINST FLESH AND BLOOD!

NEBUCHADNEZZERS IMAGE WAS CRUSHED 2000 YEARS AGO ON CALVARY!

Daniel 2:31-45


“You, O king, were watching; and behold, a great image! (Earth) This great image, whose splendor was excellent, stood before you; and its form was awesome. This image’s head was of fine gold, its chest and arms of silver, its belly and thighs of bronze, its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of clay. You watched while a stone was cut out without hands, which struck the image on its feet of iron and clay, and broke them in pieces. (Jesus Christ broke the curse of sin and death!)

“Earth was in full possession of Satan before Jesus Christ rose from the grave”

1.“The Law”, 2. “The Flesh” 3. “The Grave” 4. “The Sting Of Death” and
5. “the World”

Then the iron, (The Law) the clay, (Flesh) the bronze, (The grave) the silver, (Sin and death) and (The world) the gold were crushed together, and became like chaff from the summer threshing floors; the wind carried them away so that no trace of them was found. And the stone (Jesus Christ) that struck the image (The image of jealously in Ezekiel is this fallen earth that men worship more than God Himself) became a great mountain and filled the whole earth.
“This marvelous, gracious, selfless act of mercy was given for us all 2000 years ago”

“This is the dream. Now we will tell the interpretation of it before the king. You, O king, are a king of kings. For the God of heaven has given you a kingdom, power, strength, and glory; and wherever the children of men dwell, or the beasts of the field and the birds of the heaven, He has given them into your hand, and has made you ruler over them all—you are this head of gold. <<<<< The world!
(You king Nebuchadnezzar are the king of all MYSTERY BABYLON/ THE WORLD!)

But after you shall arise another kingdom inferior to yours; then another, a third kingdom of bronze, which shall rule over all the earth. (SIN is the sting of DEATH)


And the fourth kingdom shall be as strong as iron, inasmuch as iron breaks in pieces and shatters everything; and like iron that crushes, that kingdom will break in pieces and crush all the others.
The Law was the strength of sin and death and subdued all other kingdoms, until Jesus Christ came to reign!

Whereas you saw the feet and toes, partly of potter’s clay and partly of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; yet the

1Timothy
Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,


strength of the iron shall be in it, just as you saw iron mixed with ceramic clay. And as the toes of the
The Law prevailed over mankind until Christ!



feet were partly of iron and partly of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly fragile.
The Law was made for Weak Man The Law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh!
The understanding of sin and death came by The Law, CLAY = THE WEAK FLESH!


Romans 8:3 Iron and partly clay/ Partly strong and partly fragile
There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.
For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.


As you saw iron mixed with ceramic clay, they will mingle with the seed of men;
THE TEN COMMANDMENTS MEN CANNOT KEEP LAWS

but they will not adhere to one another, just as iron does not mix with clay.
IRON LITERALLY DOES NOT MIX WITH CLAY!
THE LAW DOES NOT MIX WITH FLESH!


And in the days of these kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed;

All the attributes of Satan were conquered by our Savior Jesus Christ on Calvary! THE TEN COMMANDMENTS WERE CONQURED BY JESUS CHRIST, HE ESTABLISHED HIS KINGDOM 2000 YEARS AGO!


and the kingdom shall not be left to other people;

The Kingdom Of Jesus Christ is for all mankind !

it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever.

The Kingdom Of Jesus Christ has consumed all kingdoms of earth “ The kingdoms of this world HAVE BECOME THE KINGDOMS OF OUR GOD AND OF HIS CHRIST AND HE SHALL REIGN FOREVER!


Inasmuch as you saw that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it broke in

Jesus Christ was not born of human seed, He was born of The Seed Of God Himself!


1. 2. 3. 4. 5.
pieces the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold—
The Law, The Grave, The Flesh, The sting Of The “Second” Death, Babylon/ The World!



These five Kingdoms were the mortal enemies of man ….. mankind lost every battle against these Kingdoms before our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ won the victory for us all! Only God’s Only Begotten Son Could and Did Win The Victory 2000 years ago on Calvary!

the great God has made known to the king what will come to pass after this. The dream is certain, and its interpretation is sure.”
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21195758


That story is on the same plane as the story of Joseph. Joseph interpreted the dream of the 7 lean years and the 7 plentiful years and because Joseph knew that the 7 years of lean was coming he had them save 20 percent each year in the time of plenty and saved the people from physical starvation.....in this story Daniel is the only one who could interpret the dream and because he did he was made ruler over the whole providence just as Joseph was made 2nd in command under the bread giver of josephs time. This will happen again during the 7 year tribulation the famine of the word of God instead of the famine of physical food. God will raise one up and because God will give him the interpretation of how to lead the people he will be made 2nd in command and be given the congregation(Psalms: 75:2 When I shall receive the congregation I will judge uprightly.
This is not speaking of Jesus the congregation always belonged to Jesus, why would Jesus have to receive something that already belonged to Him.)
Just as Jesus sits at the right of the Father, this man will sit at the right of Jesus just as the disciples were fighting over this position

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Brother, would you like to look at a certain scripture, you and I can ask The Holy Spirit to help... you'll be amazed!

Please pick!
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Brother, would you like to look at a certain scripture, you and I can ask The Holy Spirit to help... you'll be amazed!

Please pick!
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sure
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Post the chapter and lets begin!
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Ezekiel 37:
11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.

15 The word of the Lord came again unto me, saying,

16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim and for all the house of Israel his companions:

17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.

18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?

19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.

20 And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.

21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.

23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.

27 My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

28 And the heathen shall know that I the Lord do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.
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Brother wm,

I will be back after a little while...this will be good!
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Ezekiel 37:
11 Then he said unto me, "Son" of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.
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LAST DAY SERVANT:


15 The word of the Lord came again unto me, saying,

16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah(geographical Israel), and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim(lost 10 tribes) and for all the house of Israel his companions:

17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.

18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?

19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim(lost 10 tribes), and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah(geographical Israel), and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.

20 And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.

21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.

23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.

27 My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

28 And the heathen shall know that I the Lord do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.
 Quoting: waterman

2 Samuel 7:8 Now therefore you shall tell my servant David this,'Thus says Yahweh of Armies, "I took you from the sheep pen, from following the sheep, that you should be prince over my people, ......If David the servant is Jesus when did Jesus ever follow his sheep....NEVER!..It's not Jesus its a last day servant
Notice something here, sometimes the "Son of man" is captial and sometimes it is small, the redemption(saving by Jesus dying on the cross and raising from the grave) is done by the "Son of man" captial letter "Son" but the joining together(bringing the southern kingdom(2 tribes of geographical Israel today) and northern kingdom(lost 10 tribes, united states) is done by the "son of man" small letter "son". We can see this is an end time event because the lost 10 tribes have not been recognized yet and we know this is the mission of the two witnesses to join both houses back together so all of Israel may be saved. The 2nd witnesses is the greater of the two just as you hear about Aaron but the servant of God was Moses........this servant is the firstborn of Jesus' created and will be given the congregation:Psalms: 75:2 When I shall receive the congregation I will judge uprightly.
This is not speaking of Jesus the congregation always belonged to Jesus, why would Jesus have to receive something that already belonged to Him? We know Jesus is the king of the Jews(King of Israel) and yet the servant David mentioned here is a small letter "king" and then he is mentioned as a prince. which is it is he a small letter "king" or a prince? He is both Jesus is the King of Kings but this last day servant is given the congregation, will be the king and by being the firstborn of Jesus will be the prince of Jesus and a king to the people.




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2 Samuel 7

Now it came to pass when the king was dwelling in his house, and the LORD had given him rest from all his enemies all around, 2 that the king (Jesus) said to Nathan (The Holy Spirit) the prophet, “See now, I dwell in a house of cedar, but the ark of God dwells inside tent curtains.”
3 Then Nathan (The Holy Spirit) said to the king, (Jesus) “Go, do all that is in your heart, for the LORD is with you.”
4 But it happened that night that the word of the LORD came to Nathan, (The Holy Spirit) saying, 5 “Go and tell My servant David, (Jesus) ‘Thus says the LORD: “Would you build a house for Me to dwell in? 6 For I have not dwelt in a house since the time that I brought the children of Israel (Eternal life) up from Egypt, (Hades) even to this day, but have moved about in a tent and in a tabernacle. 7 Wherever I have moved about with all the children of Israel, have I ever spoken a word to anyone from the tribes of Israel, (The 144,000) whom I commanded to shepherd My people Israel, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’”’ 8 Now therefore, thus shall you say to My servant David, (Jesus) ‘Thus says the LORD of hosts: “I took you from the sheepfold, from following the sheep, to be ruler over My people, over Israel.
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2 Samuel 7

Now it came to pass when the king was dwelling in his house, and the LORD had given him rest from all his enemies all around, 2 that the king (Jesus) said to Nathan (The Holy Spirit) the prophet, “See now, I dwell in a house of cedar, but the ark of God dwells inside tent curtains.”
3 Then Nathan (The Holy Spirit) said to the king, (Jesus) “Go, do all that is in your heart, for the LORD is with you.”
4 But it happened that night that the word of the LORD came to Nathan, (The Holy Spirit) saying, 5 “Go and tell My servant David, (Jesus) ‘Thus says the LORD: “Would you build a house for Me to dwell in? 6 For I have not dwelt in a house since the time that I brought the children of Israel (Eternal life) up from Egypt, (Hades) even to this day, but have moved about in a tent and in a tabernacle. 7 Wherever I have moved about with all the children of Israel, have I ever spoken a word to anyone from the tribes of Israel, (The 144,000) whom I commanded to shepherd My people Israel, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’”’ 8 Now therefore, thus shall you say to My servant David, (Jesus) ‘Thus says the LORD of hosts: “I took you from the sheepfold, from following the sheep, to be ruler over My people, over Israel.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21195758


Jesus didn't follow sheep Jesus leads sheep...that last day david builds the temple of the Lord the spiritual temple 2nd corinthians 6:16. That last day servant David is the "Branch" in zechariah:
THE BRANCH: GODS SERVANT

Zech 3:

1 And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.

2 And the Lord said unto Satan, The Lord rebuke thee, O Satan; even the Lord that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?

3 Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and stood before the angel.

4 And he answered and spake unto those that stood before him, saying, Take away the filthy garments from him. And unto him he said, Behold, I have caused thine iniquity to pass from thee, and I will clothe thee with change of raiment.

5 And I said, Let them set a fair mitre upon his head. So they set a fair mitre upon his head, and clothed him with garments. And the angel of the Lord stood by.

6 And the angel of the Lord protested unto Joshua, saying,

7 Thus saith the Lord of hosts; If thou wilt walk in my ways, and if thou wilt keep my charge, then thou shalt also judge my house, and shalt also keep my courts, and I will give thee places to walk among these that stand by.

8 Hear now, O Joshua the high priest, thou, and thy fellows that sit before thee: for they are men wondered at: for, behold, I will bring forth my servant the Branch.

9 For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua; upon one stone shall be seven eyes: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith the Lord of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.

10 In that day, saith the Lord of hosts, shall ye call every man his neighbour under the vine and under the fig tree.
Zechariah 6:
11 Then take silver and gold, and make crowns, and set them upon the head of Joshua the son of Josedech, the high priest;

12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the Lord of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The Branch; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the Lord:

13 Even he shall build the temple of the Lord; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.

So we see the Branch builds the temple of God and at the same time the antichrist will be rebuilding the 3rd temple and that is why the Jews in the beginning will believe the antichrist is the promised messiah.

Zechariah chapter 4:
2 And said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a candlestick all of gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which are upon the top thereof:

3 And two olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof.

4 So I answered and spake to the angel that talked with me, saying, What are these, my lord?

5 Then the angel that talked with me answered and said unto me, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.

6 Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the Lord unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the Lord of hosts.

7 Who art thou, O great mountain? before Zerubbabel thou shalt become a plain: and he shall bring forth the headstone thereof with shoutings, crying, Grace, grace unto it.

8 Moreover the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,

9 The hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this house; his hands shall also finish it; and thou shalt know that the Lord of hosts hath sent me unto you.

10 For who hath despised the day of small things? for they shall rejoice, and shall see the plummet in the hand of Zerubbabel with those seven; they are the eyes of the Lord, which run to and fro through the whole earth.

11 Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?

12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?

13 And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.

14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.


Now we see Joshua and Zerubbabel are representing the two witness and are building the temple of the Lord(the spiritual temple) the antichrist builds the natural 3rd temple. The Jews see the physical but are not realizing it is the spiritual that matters.
Now we know from zechariah 3:12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the Lord of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The Branch; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the Lord:
the Branch rebuilds the temple

Here is another reference to the Branch:
Isaiah 11:
1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:

2 And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord;

3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the Lord: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:

4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth: with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.

We know from Rev 22:16:
Revelation 22:16

King James Version (KJV)

16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
we see Isaiah 11:1:
Isaiah 11:
1 And there shall come forth a rod(Jesus) out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch(last day servant) shall grow out of his roots(Jesus):....we see that the Branch is not "the root" or the rod(Jesus) but the Branch(last day servant) out of Jesse.....whenever you see the Branch mentioned it is either coming out of "the root" or is "a root"...not "the root" as Jesus is "the root" but the Branch is only "a root"(Think of it this way the last day servant it Adam the first begotten of Jesus. Adam was before David and will come after David just as Jesus was. Adam the man is always shown less as in the example Adam the man being of "a root" and Jesus being "the root"

Isaiah 11:10:
10 And in that day there shall be "a" root of Jesse(Jesus is "the" root, this servant is "a" root, little letters big difference), which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
Jesus Himself said in John 15:5I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing

So Jesus is the "vine" and we are the "branches" but this zerubbabel(last day servant is the "chief Branch" with the commission of rebuilding the spiritual temple.

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Dear Waterman,

If you believe there is someone coming to set men free and His name is not Jesus Christ THE BRANCH....Do not follow this person he is not of God but Satan!
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You can't see this servant yet, but you will. I am confident that only Jesus can redeem and save us, but I am also confident God raises up a last day servant that will bring the two houses of Israel back together(10 lost tribes, and 2 tribes of Judah and Benjamin) and as a result of this the last day servant will inherit the congregation. Adam and Eve brought forth physical children so that the kingdom of Zerubabbel bring forth the spiritual children(spiritual temple) 2nd corinthians 6:16. Just as John the baptist had the spirit of Elijah so the two last day servants will have the spirit of Adam and Eve. Adam being the firstborn. Here is what was promised to Adam and Eve and the gifts and callings of God are without repentance:

Gen 1:28:
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth
..which includes the children of Adam and Eve, the congregation

So 5 things Adam and Eve are called to do

1.Fruitful
2.Multiply
3.Replenish Earth
4.Subdue Earth
5.Dominion over every living thing that moves on Earth

So we see from this that Adam and Eve have dominion over everything that moves on earth, that would include their children: (This Adam and Eve are the two witnesses of revelation and zechariah(Joshua and Zerubabbel) the builders of the temple(kingdom)
do·min·ion

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1.
the power or right of governing and controlling; sovereign authority.
2.
rule; control; domination.
3.
a territory, usually of considerable size, in which a single rulership holds sway.
4.
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The dominion here will be parents to children relationship, not "I'm ruler and your follower" relationship, because the people of the world are the children of Adam and Eve and you can see the pattern of Israel splitting apart after king solomons reign just like Adam and Eve split apart, but in the end they become one again.

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Dear Waterman,

May God give you great understanding of His Word.


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same to you ...thank you for taking the time to post
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1. Destruction of Israel in Isaiah, Jeremiah and
the prophets is the foreshadow of U.S destruction

2. There is a 42 month period made up of 1260 days
prior to the 7 year tribulation.

3. After the 42 month period the rapture will happen
for those who remained faithful to Jesus

4. 7 year tribulation begins the anti-christ and false
prophet make 7 year peace treaty with Israel and allow
3rd temple to be built

5. The two witnesses show up at the beginning of the
7 year tribulation. The mission of the two witnesses
is to bring the 2 houses of Israel(Jew and Christian)
together (they will have a double mission of 42 months
with the church and 42 months with the Jew and bring
both houses together as one as described in Ezekiel 37.

6. The 2nd witness is greater than the first as God always
makes one greater than the other...Adam and Eve, Moses
and Aaron, Joshua and Zerubabbel, John and Jesus..etc.

7. The two witnesses build the spiritual temple while the
anti-christ and false prophet allow construction on
3rd physical temple

8. The people who accept Jesus as savior, repent, and turn
from sin become the temple of God and this is a temple
that can't be destroyed as the other 2 temples of God
were destroyed. 2nd corinthians 6:16:
6:16 What agreement has a temple of God with idols? For you are a temple of the living God. Even as God said, "I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they will be my people."
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Dear Waterman,

If you believe there is someone coming to set men free and His name is not Jesus Christ THE BRANCH....Do not follow this person he is not of God but Satan!
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One last thing then I'll leave ya be....where do you see Jesus Christ ever claim to be "The Branch"(Jesus is the vine we are the branches.
John 15:5:I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
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Dear Waterman,

May God give you great understanding of His Word.


See you in Heaven Brother
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I believe God has already given waterman a great understanding and insight of His Word. It just seems that some cannot yet see it. Nevertheless, nothing that has been said by waterman is contrary to God's Word, it just has never been interpreted that way before. A new interpretation of the Word may show that the original interpretation had originally been wrong! After all interpretations are only the works of human discernment's, not God's dictates or commands! So if some interpretations were not correctly discerned in the passed. Why not consider another interpretation, that seems reasonable, but may break away from some long heard tradition of belief by someone long ago. these men may not have discern the meaning all that well either, at that time!
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Dear Waterman,

The entire Bible is written about Jesus, if you will keep this in mind......first find Jesus in the passage of scripture your reading....then backtrack and the rest of the entities in the story will come into full view!




Zechariah 3



Then he showed me Joshua (Jesus) the high priest standing before the Angel of the LORD, (The Holy Spirit) and Satan standing at his right hand to oppose him. 2 And the LORD (Christ, The Messiah) said to Satan, “The LORD rebuke you, Satan! The LORD who has chosen Jerusalem rebuke you! (The Lord Who has chosen The Kingdom Of God over the kingdom of darkness) Is this not a brand plucked from the fire?” (The Kingdom Of God is a Coal cleansed by the fire of The Holy Spirit)
3 Now Joshua (Jesus) was clothed with filthy garments, (Jesus Christ on Calvary bearing our sin and shame) and was standing before the Angel. (The Holy Spirit encouraged Jesus to be strong in The Lord)
4 Then He (The Holy Spirit) answered and spoke to those who stood before Him, (The Holy Spirit spoke to the principalities and powers “Sin, Death, The Grave”) and gave them permission to kill Jesus fleshly body) saying, “Take away the filthy garments from him.” (The filthy garments was our “SIN”) And to him (Jesus) He (The Holy Spirit) said, “See, I have removed your iniquity from you, and I will clothe you with rich robes.” (Jesus Christ, Son Of God, YOU HAVE CONQUERED SIN AND DEATH)
5 And I said, “Let them put a clean turban on his head.”
So they put a clean turban on his head, (A Holy Crown Of Victory) and they put the clothes on him. And the Angel of the LORD stood by. (The Holy Spirit)

THE ROOT OF JESSE GROWS A BRANCH


6 Then the Angel of the LORD (The Holy Spirit) admonished Joshua, (Jesus) saying, 7 “Thus says the LORD of hosts: (This is what The Father says…….)
‘If you will walk in My ways,
And if you will keep My command,
Then you shall also judge My house, (Then You Jesus Christ will judge all mankind)
And likewise have charge of My courts; (Jesus Christ is indeed in charge of the whole world )
I will give you places to walk
Among these who stand here. (Jesus Christ lives and walks with us where ever we go)
8 ‘Hear, O Joshua, (Jesus) the high priest, (The High Priest is over ALL)
You and your companions who sit before you,
For they are a wondrous sign; (We are the companions of Jesus Christ and it is WONDERFUL)
For behold, I am bringing forth My Servant the BRANCH. (Jesus is The BRANCH that grows out of the Root Of Jesse)
9 For behold, the stone (Jesus is The Stone the builders rejected)
That I have laid before Joshua: (Earth is the stone GIVEN TO JESUS)
Upon the stone are seven eyes. (Earth has seven CONTINENTS filled with Christian eyes)
Behold, I will engrave its inscription,’ (I WILL WRITE SALVATION ON MANKIND)
Says the LORD of hosts,
‘And I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day. (Christ fulfilled this 2000 years ago, in 1 DAY)
10 In that day,’ says the LORD of hosts,
‘Everyone will invite his neighbor
Under his vine and under his fig tree.’” (In That Day every man will invite his old nature to be cleansed in The Blood Of The Lamb, and at that DAY the SIN tree living in you and me Waterman was destroyed by Jesus for us so we can live for eternity with our Creator)
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Dear Waterman,

May God give you great understanding of His Word.


See you in Heaven Brother
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I believe God has already given waterman a great understanding and insight of His Word. It just seems that some cannot yet see it. Nevertheless, nothing that has been said by waterman is contrary to God's Word, it just has never been interpreted that way before. A new interpretation of the Word may show that the original interpretation had originally been wrong! After all interpretations are only the works of human discernment's, not God's dictates or commands! So if some interpretations were not correctly discerned in the passed. Why not consider another interpretation, that seems reasonable, but may break away from some long heard tradition of belief by someone long ago. these men may not have discern the meaning all that well either, at that time!
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Yes, always learning, but never able to come to the knowledge of The Truth.
Waterman is doing very well in his studies, I have learned in life that if I don't understand something it is good to have a Christian friend to speak to..... keep pressing into The Kingdom brother Waterman.

See you another day

p.s. I don't know how we can exchange emails on this site but if we can I will send you books of the Bible God has revealed to me.
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2 Samuel 7

Now it came to pass when the king was dwelling in his house, and the LORD had given him rest from all his enemies all around, 2 that the king (Jesus) said to Nathan (The Holy Spirit) the prophet, “See now, I dwell in a house of cedar, but the ark of God dwells inside tent curtains.”
3 Then Nathan (The Holy Spirit) said to the king, (Jesus) “Go, do all that is in your heart, for the LORD is with you.”
4 But it happened that night that the word of the LORD came to Nathan, (The Holy Spirit) saying, 5 “Go and tell My servant David, (Jesus) ‘Thus says the LORD: “Would you build a house for Me to dwell in? 6 For I have not dwelt in a house since the time that I brought the children of Israel (Eternal life) up from Egypt, (Hades) even to this day, but have moved about in a tent and in a tabernacle. 7 Wherever I have moved about with all the children of Israel, have I ever spoken a word to anyone from the tribes of Israel, (The 144,000) whom I commanded to shepherd My people Israel, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’”’ 8 Now therefore, thus shall you say to My servant David, (Jesus) ‘Thus says the LORD of hosts: “I took you from the sheepfold, from following the sheep, to be ruler over My people, over Israel.
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Jesus didn't follow sheep Jesus leads sheep...that last day david builds the temple of the Lord the spiritual temple 2nd corinthians 6:16. That last day servant David is the "Branch" in zechariah:
THE BRANCH: GODS SERVANT

Zech 3:

1 And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.

2 And the Lord said unto Satan, The Lord rebuke thee, O Satan; even the Lord that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?

3 Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and stood before the angel.

4 And he answered and spake unto those that stood before him, saying, Take away the filthy garments from him. And unto him he said, Behold, I have caused thine iniquity to pass from thee, and I will clothe thee with change of raiment.

5 And I said, Let them set a fair mitre upon his head. So they set a fair mitre upon his head, and clothed him with garments. And the angel of the Lord stood by.

6 And the angel of the Lord protested unto Joshua, saying,

7 Thus saith the Lord of hosts; If thou wilt walk in my ways, and if thou wilt keep my charge, then thou shalt also judge my house, and shalt also keep my courts, and I will give thee places to walk among these that stand by.

8 Hear now, O Joshua the high priest, thou, and thy fellows that sit before thee: for they are men wondered at: for, behold, I will bring forth my servant the Branch.

9 For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua; upon one stone shall be seven eyes: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith the Lord of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.

10 In that day, saith the Lord of hosts, shall ye call every man his neighbour under the vine and under the fig tree.
Zechariah 6:
11 Then take silver and gold, and make crowns, and set them upon the head of Joshua the son of Josedech, the high priest;

12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the Lord of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The Branch; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the Lord:

13 Even he shall build the temple of the Lord; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.

So we see the Branch builds the temple of God and at the same time the antichrist will be rebuilding the 3rd temple and that is why the Jews in the beginning will believe the antichrist is the promised messiah.

Zechariah chapter 4:
2 And said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a candlestick all of gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which are upon the top thereof:

3 And two olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof.

4 So I answered and spake to the angel that talked with me, saying, What are these, my lord?

5 Then the angel that talked with me answered and said unto me, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.

6 Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the Lord unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the Lord of hosts.

7 Who art thou, O great mountain? before Zerubbabel thou shalt become a plain: and he shall bring forth the headstone thereof with shoutings, crying, Grace, grace unto it.

8 Moreover the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,

9 The hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this house; his hands shall also finish it; and thou shalt know that the Lord of hosts hath sent me unto you.

10 For who hath despised the day of small things? for they shall rejoice, and shall see the plummet in the hand of Zerubbabel with those seven; they are the eyes of the Lord, which run to and fro through the whole earth.

11 Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?

12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?

13 And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.

14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.


Now we see Joshua and Zerubbabel are representing the two witness and are building the temple of the Lord(the spiritual temple) the antichrist builds the natural 3rd temple. The Jews see the physical but are not realizing it is the spiritual that matters.
Now we know from zechariah 3:12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the Lord of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The Branch; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the Lord:
the Branch rebuilds the temple

Here is another reference to the Branch:
Isaiah 11:
1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:

2 And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord;

3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the Lord: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:

4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth: with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.

We know from Rev 22:16:
Revelation 22:16

King James Version (KJV)

16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
we see Isaiah 11:1:
Isaiah 11:
1 And there shall come forth a rod(Jesus) out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch(last day servant) shall grow out of his roots(Jesus):....we see that the Branch is not "the root" or the rod(Jesus) but the Branch(last day servant) comes out of Jesse.....whenever you see the Branch mentioned it is either coming out of "the root" or is "a root"...not "the root" as Jesus is "the root" but the Branch is only "a root"(Think of it this way the last day servant it Adam the first begotten of Jesus. Adam was before David and will come after David just as Jesus was. Adam the man is always shown less as in the example Adam the man being of "a root" and Jesus being "the root"

Isaiah 11:10:
10 And in that day there shall be "a" root of Jesse(Jesus is "the" root, this servant is "a" root, little letters big difference), which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
Jesus Himself said in John 15:5I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing

So Jesus is the "vine" and we are the "branches" but this zerubbabel(last day servant is the "chief Branch" with the commission of rebuilding the spiritual temple.
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Dear Waterman,

The entire Bible is written about Jesus, if you will keep this in mind......first find Jesus in the passage of scripture your reading....then backtrack and the rest of the entities in the story will come into full view!

------------------------------------------------------------

Agreed the whole bible is about Jesus! Jesus being the first begotten of God:
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell” (Collosians 1:15-19)

WOW look at the importance of the firstborn of every creature......the WHOLE BIBLE is written about Him. God is very proud of that.......Wouldn't the be strange if Jesus was proud of his first begotten which is Adam and wrote him in the shadow of Himself into the whole Bible and nobody saw it til the end. What if Jesus said "everything is mine" and I'm giving it to you, because your my firstborn!..kinda reminds ya of a charlie and chocolate factory ending doesn't it. It's all mine charlie but I'm giving it all to you!

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Now it came to pass when the king was dwelling in his house, and the LORD had given him rest from all his enemies all around, 2 that the king (Jesus) said to Nathan (The Holy Spirit) the prophet, “See now, I dwell in a house of cedar, but the ark of God dwells inside tent curtains.”
3 Then Nathan (The Holy Spirit) said to the king, (Jesus) “Go, do all that is in your heart, for the LORD is with you.”
4 But it happened that night that the word of the LORD came to Nathan, (The Holy Spirit) saying, 5 “Go and tell My servant David, (Jesus) ‘Thus says the LORD: “Would you build a house for Me to dwell in? 6 For I have not dwelt in a house since the time that I brought the children of Israel (Eternal life) up from Egypt, (Hades) even to this day, but have moved about in a tent and in a tabernacle. 7 Wherever I have moved about with all the children of Israel, have I ever spoken a word to anyone from the tribes of Israel, (The 144,000) whom I commanded to shepherd My people Israel, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’”’ 8 Now therefore, thus shall you say to My servant David, (Jesus) ‘Thus says the LORD of hosts: “I took you from the sheepfold, from following the sheep, to be ruler over My people, over Israel.
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Jesus didn't follow sheep Jesus leads sheep...that last day david builds the temple of the Lord the spiritual temple 2nd corinthians 6:16. That last day servant David is the "Branch" in zechariah:
THE BRANCH: GODS SERVANT

Zech 3:

1 And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.

2 And the Lord said unto Satan, The Lord rebuke thee, O Satan; even the Lord that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?

3 Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and stood before the angel.

4 And he answered and spake unto those that stood before him, saying, Take away the filthy garments from him. And unto him he said, Behold, I have caused thine iniquity to pass from thee, and I will clothe thee with change of raiment.

5 And I said, Let them set a fair mitre upon his head. So they set a fair mitre upon his head, and clothed him with garments. And the angel of the Lord stood by.

6 And the angel of the Lord protested unto Joshua, saying,

7 Thus saith the Lord of hosts; If thou wilt walk in my ways, and if thou wilt keep my charge, then thou shalt also judge my house, and shalt also keep my courts, and I will give thee places to walk among these that stand by.

8 Hear now, O Joshua the high priest, thou, and thy fellows that sit before thee: for they are men wondered at: for, behold, I will bring forth my servant the Branch.

9 For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua; upon one stone shall be seven eyes: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith the Lord of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.

10 In that day, saith the Lord of hosts, shall ye call every man his neighbour under the vine and under the fig tree.
Zechariah 6:
11 Then take silver and gold, and make crowns, and set them upon the head of Joshua the son of Josedech, the high priest;

12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the Lord of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The Branch; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the Lord:

13 Even he shall build the temple of the Lord; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.

So we see the Branch builds the temple of God and at the same time the antichrist will be rebuilding the 3rd temple and that is why the Jews in the beginning will believe the antichrist is the promised messiah.

Zechariah chapter 4:
2 And said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a candlestick all of gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which are upon the top thereof:

3 And two olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof.

4 So I answered and spake to the angel that talked with me, saying, What are these, my lord?

5 Then the angel that talked with me answered and said unto me, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.

6 Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the Lord unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the Lord of hosts.

7 Who art thou, O great mountain? before Zerubbabel thou shalt become a plain: and he shall bring forth the headstone thereof with shoutings, crying, Grace, grace unto it.

8 Moreover the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,

9 The hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this house; his hands shall also finish it; and thou shalt know that the Lord of hosts hath sent me unto you.

10 For who hath despised the day of small things? for they shall rejoice, and shall see the plummet in the hand of Zerubbabel with those seven; they are the eyes of the Lord, which run to and fro through the whole earth.

11 Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?

12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?

13 And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.

14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.


Now we see Joshua and Zerubbabel are representing the two witness and are building the temple of the Lord(the spiritual temple) the antichrist builds the natural 3rd temple. The Jews see the physical but are not realizing it is the spiritual that matters.
Now we know from zechariah 3:12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the Lord of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The Branch; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the Lord:
the Branch rebuilds the temple

Here is another reference to the Branch:
Isaiah 11:
1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:

2 And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord;

3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the Lord: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:

4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth: with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.

We know from Rev 22:16:
Revelation 22:16

King James Version (KJV)

16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
we see Isaiah 11:1:
Isaiah 11:
1 And there shall come forth a rod(Jesus) out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch(last day servant) shall grow out of his roots(Jesus):....we see that the Branch is not "the root" or the rod(Jesus) but the Branch(last day servant) comes out of Jesse.....whenever you see the Branch mentioned it is either coming out of "the root" or is "a root"...not "the root" as Jesus is "the root" but the Branch is only "a root"(Think of it this way the last day servant it Adam the first begotten of Jesus. Adam was before David and will come after David just as Jesus was. Adam the man is always shown less as in the example Adam the man being of "a root" and Jesus being "the root"

Isaiah 11:10:
10 And in that day there shall be "a" root of Jesse(Jesus is "the" root, this servant is "a" root, little letters big difference), which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
Jesus Himself said in John 15:5I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing

So Jesus is the "vine" and we are the "branches" but this zerubbabel(last day servant is the "chief Branch" with the commission of rebuilding the spiritual temple.
 Quoting: waterman


Dear Waterman,

The entire Bible is written about Jesus, if you will keep this in mind......first find Jesus in the passage of scripture your reading....then backtrack and the rest of the entities in the story will come into full view!

------------------------------------------------------------

Agreed the whole bible is about Jesus! Jesus being the first begotten of God:
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell” (Collosians 1:15-19)

WOW look at the importance of the firstborn of every creature......the WHOLE BIBLE is written about Him. God is very proud of that.......Wouldn't the be strange if Jesus was proud of his first begotten which is Adam and wrote him in the shadow of Himself into the whole Bible and nobody saw it til the end. What if Jesus said "everything is mine" and I'm giving it to you, because your my firstborn!..kinda reminds ya of a charlie and chocolate factory ending doesn't it. It's all mine charlie but I'm giving it all to you!
 Quoting: waterman


Yes Waterman, you have eyes to see!

Do you have ears to hear?

There are amazing truths about Jesus Christ from Genesis 1 to Revelation 22

I will look for your posts so we can explore the RICHES OF THE INHERITANCE WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN BY OUR FATHER IN HEAVEN...."I mean The Kingdom Of God Is Within Us" And God is everywhere at all times.... Really does mean ALL those Promises ARE REALLY OURS right now in real earth time!

Read the promises left by Jesus Christ The Holy Spirit and The Father.......


2 Peter 1:1-10


Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ,

To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:

Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord,as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue,
by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

Fruitfulness and Growth are our inheritance by Faith

But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.

Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble; for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Waterman, this is what we live for.... His promises becoming reality in us "Christ in you your Hope of Glory" is a gift from God for any of His children who desire the narrow path with the narrow gate.

So I read the Bible like you do, with great ferver, do you know Who the book of Revelation is about from page 1 to the end?

If you want we can start at the first verse of chapter one and you will see Jesus Christ in all of His Glory and Majesty! Really, Revelation is exaxtly what He says it is...HIS TESTIMONY!

See you tomorrow
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2 Samuel 7

Now it came to pass when the king was dwelling in his house, and the LORD had given him rest from all his enemies all around, 2 that the king (Jesus) said to Nathan (The Holy Spirit) the prophet, “See now, I dwell in a house of cedar, but the ark of God dwells inside tent curtains.”
3 Then Nathan (The Holy Spirit) said to the king, (Jesus) “Go, do all that is in your heart, for the LORD is with you.”
4 But it happened that night that the word of the LORD came to Nathan, (The Holy Spirit) saying, 5 “Go and tell My servant David, (Jesus) ‘Thus says the LORD: “Would you build a house for Me to dwell in? 6 For I have not dwelt in a house since the time that I brought the children of Israel (Eternal life) up from Egypt, (Hades) even to this day, but have moved about in a tent and in a tabernacle. 7 Wherever I have moved about with all the children of Israel, have I ever spoken a word to anyone from the tribes of Israel, (The 144,000) whom I commanded to shepherd My people Israel, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’”’ 8 Now therefore, thus shall you say to My servant David, (Jesus) ‘Thus says the LORD of hosts: “I took you from the sheepfold, from following the sheep, to be ruler over My people, over Israel.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21195758


Jesus didn't follow sheep Jesus leads sheep...that last day david builds the temple of the Lord the spiritual temple 2nd corinthians 6:16. That last day servant David is the "Branch" in zechariah:
THE BRANCH: GODS SERVANT

Zech 3:

1 And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.

2 And the Lord said unto Satan, The Lord rebuke thee, O Satan; even the Lord that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?

3 Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and stood before the angel.

4 And he answered and spake unto those that stood before him, saying, Take away the filthy garments from him. And unto him he said, Behold, I have caused thine iniquity to pass from thee, and I will clothe thee with change of raiment.

5 And I said, Let them set a fair mitre upon his head. So they set a fair mitre upon his head, and clothed him with garments. And the angel of the Lord stood by.

6 And the angel of the Lord protested unto Joshua, saying,

7 Thus saith the Lord of hosts; If thou wilt walk in my ways, and if thou wilt keep my charge, then thou shalt also judge my house, and shalt also keep my courts, and I will give thee places to walk among these that stand by.

8 Hear now, O Joshua the high priest, thou, and thy fellows that sit before thee: for they are men wondered at: for, behold, I will bring forth my servant the Branch.

9 For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua; upon one stone shall be seven eyes: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith the Lord of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.

10 In that day, saith the Lord of hosts, shall ye call every man his neighbour under the vine and under the fig tree.
Zechariah 6:
11 Then take silver and gold, and make crowns, and set them upon the head of Joshua the son of Josedech, the high priest;

12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the Lord of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The Branch; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the Lord:

13 Even he shall build the temple of the Lord; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.

So we see the Branch builds the temple of God and at the same time the antichrist will be rebuilding the 3rd temple and that is why the Jews in the beginning will believe the antichrist is the promised messiah.

Zechariah chapter 4:
2 And said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a candlestick all of gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which are upon the top thereof:

3 And two olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof.

4 So I answered and spake to the angel that talked with me, saying, What are these, my lord?

5 Then the angel that talked with me answered and said unto me, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.

6 Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the Lord unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the Lord of hosts.

7 Who art thou, O great mountain? before Zerubbabel thou shalt become a plain: and he shall bring forth the headstone thereof with shoutings, crying, Grace, grace unto it.

8 Moreover the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,

9 The hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this house; his hands shall also finish it; and thou shalt know that the Lord of hosts hath sent me unto you.

10 For who hath despised the day of small things? for they shall rejoice, and shall see the plummet in the hand of Zerubbabel with those seven; they are the eyes of the Lord, which run to and fro through the whole earth.

11 Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?

12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?

13 And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.

14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.


Now we see Joshua and Zerubbabel are representing the two witness and are building the temple of the Lord(the spiritual temple) the antichrist builds the natural 3rd temple. The Jews see the physical but are not realizing it is the spiritual that matters.
Now we know from zechariah 3:12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the Lord of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The Branch; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the Lord:
the Branch rebuilds the temple

Here is another reference to the Branch:
Isaiah 11:
1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:

2 And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord;

3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the Lord: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:

4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth: with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.

We know from Rev 22:16:
Revelation 22:16

King James Version (KJV)

16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
we see Isaiah 11:1:
Isaiah 11:
1 And there shall come forth a rod(Jesus) out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch(last day servant) shall grow out of his roots(Jesus):....we see that the Branch is not "the root" or the rod(Jesus) but the Branch(last day servant) comes out of Jesse.....whenever you see the Branch mentioned it is either coming out of "the root" or is "a root"...not "the root" as Jesus is "the root" but the Branch is only "a root"(Think of it this way the last day servant it Adam the first begotten of Jesus. Adam was before David and will come after David just as Jesus was. Adam the man is always shown less as in the example Adam the man being of "a root" and Jesus being "the root"

Isaiah 11:10:
10 And in that day there shall be "a" root of Jesse(Jesus is "the" root, this servant is "a" root, little letters big difference), which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
Jesus Himself said in John 15:5I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing

So Jesus is the "vine" and we are the "branches" but this zerubbabel(last day servant is the "chief Branch" with the commission of rebuilding the spiritual temple.
 Quoting: waterman


Dear Waterman,

The entire Bible is written about Jesus, if you will keep this in mind......first find Jesus in the passage of scripture your reading....then backtrack and the rest of the entities in the story will come into full view!

------------------------------------------------------------

Agreed the whole bible is about Jesus! Jesus being the first begotten of God:
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell” (Collosians 1:15-19)

WOW look at the importance of the firstborn of every creature......the WHOLE BIBLE is written about Him. God is very proud of that.......Wouldn't the be strange if Jesus was proud of his first begotten which is Adam and wrote him in the shadow of Himself into the whole Bible and nobody saw it til the end. What if Jesus said "everything is mine" and I'm giving it to you, because your my firstborn!..kinda reminds ya of a charlie and chocolate factory ending doesn't it. It's all mine charlie but I'm giving it all to you!
 Quoting: waterman


Yes Waterman, you have eyes to see!

Do you have ears to hear?

There are amazing truths about Jesus Christ from Genesis 1 to Revelation 22

I will look for your posts so we can explore the RICHES OF THE INHERITANCE WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN BY OUR FATHER IN HEAVEN...."I mean The Kingdom Of God Is Within Us" And God is everywhere at all times.... Really does mean ALL those Promises ARE REALLY OURS right now in real earth time!

Read the promises left by Jesus Christ The Holy Spirit and The Father.......


2 Peter 1:1-10


Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ,

To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:

Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord,as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue,
by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

Fruitfulness and Growth are our inheritance by Faith

But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.

Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble; for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Waterman, this is what we live for.... His promises becoming reality in us "Christ in you your Hope of Glory" is a gift from God for any of His children who desire the narrow path with the narrow gate.

So I read the Bible like you do, with great ferver, do you know Who the book of Revelation is about from page 1 to the end?

If you want we can start at the first verse of chapter one and you will see Jesus Christ in all of His Glory and Majesty! Really, Revelation is exaxtly what He says it is...HIS TESTIMONY!

See you tomorrow
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21195758

do you know Who the book of Revelation is about from page 1 to the end?

-----------------------------------------------------------

Tell me how revelation 14:14 is Jesus when His own creation(the angel) has to tell "Jesus" when to reap the harvest. And notice this one "like the son of man" has only a single gold crown It's not Jesus reaping the harvest it is Adam the firstborn of Jesus

Rev. 14:14: THE LAST DAY SERVANT(ADAM)

14I looked, and there before me was a white cloud, and seated on the cloud was one “like a son of man”a with "a" crown of gold on his head and a sharp sickle in his hand. 15Then another angel came out of the temple and called in a loud voice to him who was sitting on the cloud, “Take your sickle and reap, because the time to reap has come, for the harvest of the earth is ripe.” 16So he who was seated on the cloud swung his sickle over the earth, and the earth was harvested. (WOW!!! when did JESUS start taking orders from an angel!?!?)


Rev 19:11 JESUS KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS!

I sure hope Jesus knows what to do that angel that was in rev. 14 is no where to be found to tell Jesus what to do here in Rev 19.

11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.(This is clearly Jesus)

14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.(why is nobody telling Jesus what to do? Why does Jesus have manY crowns and the guy "like a son of man" only has a single crown
..........because this rev 19 is Jesus and rev. 14 is Adam, Jesus' firstborn!

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Jesus didn't follow sheep Jesus leads sheep...that last day david builds the temple of the Lord the spiritual temple 2nd corinthians 6:16. That last day servant David is the "Branch" in zechariah:
THE BRANCH: GODS SERVANT

Zech 3:

1 And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.

2 And the Lord said unto Satan, The Lord rebuke thee, O Satan; even the Lord that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?

3 Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and stood before the angel.

4 And he answered and spake unto those that stood before him, saying, Take away the filthy garments from him. And unto him he said, Behold, I have caused thine iniquity to pass from thee, and I will clothe thee with change of raiment.

5 And I said, Let them set a fair mitre upon his head. So they set a fair mitre upon his head, and clothed him with garments. And the angel of the Lord stood by.

6 And the angel of the Lord protested unto Joshua, saying,

7 Thus saith the Lord of hosts; If thou wilt walk in my ways, and if thou wilt keep my charge, then thou shalt also judge my house, and shalt also keep my courts, and I will give thee places to walk among these that stand by.

8 Hear now, O Joshua the high priest, thou, and thy fellows that sit before thee: for they are men wondered at: for, behold, I will bring forth my servant the Branch.

9 For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua; upon one stone shall be seven eyes: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith the Lord of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.

10 In that day, saith the Lord of hosts, shall ye call every man his neighbour under the vine and under the fig tree.
Zechariah 6:
11 Then take silver and gold, and make crowns, and set them upon the head of Joshua the son of Josedech, the high priest;

12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the Lord of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The Branch; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the Lord:

13 Even he shall build the temple of the Lord; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.

So we see the Branch builds the temple of God and at the same time the antichrist will be rebuilding the 3rd temple and that is why the Jews in the beginning will believe the antichrist is the promised messiah.

Zechariah chapter 4:
2 And said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a candlestick all of gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which are upon the top thereof:

3 And two olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof.

4 So I answered and spake to the angel that talked with me, saying, What are these, my lord?

5 Then the angel that talked with me answered and said unto me, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.

6 Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the Lord unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the Lord of hosts.

7 Who art thou, O great mountain? before Zerubbabel thou shalt become a plain: and he shall bring forth the headstone thereof with shoutings, crying, Grace, grace unto it.

8 Moreover the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,

9 The hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this house; his hands shall also finish it; and thou shalt know that the Lord of hosts hath sent me unto you.

10 For who hath despised the day of small things? for they shall rejoice, and shall see the plummet in the hand of Zerubbabel with those seven; they are the eyes of the Lord, which run to and fro through the whole earth.

11 Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?

12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?

13 And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.

14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.


Now we see Joshua and Zerubbabel are representing the two witness and are building the temple of the Lord(the spiritual temple) the antichrist builds the natural 3rd temple. The Jews see the physical but are not realizing it is the spiritual that matters.
Now we know from zechariah 3:12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the Lord of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The Branch; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the Lord:
the Branch rebuilds the temple

Here is another reference to the Branch:
Isaiah 11:
1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:

2 And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord;

3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the Lord: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:

4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth: with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.

We know from Rev 22:16:
Revelation 22:16

King James Version (KJV)

16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
we see Isaiah 11:1:
Isaiah 11:
1 And there shall come forth a rod(Jesus) out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch(last day servant) shall grow out of his roots(Jesus):....we see that the Branch is not "the root" or the rod(Jesus) but the Branch(last day servant) comes out of Jesse.....whenever you see the Branch mentioned it is either coming out of "the root" or is "a root"...not "the root" as Jesus is "the root" but the Branch is only "a root"(Think of it this way the last day servant it Adam the first begotten of Jesus. Adam was before David and will come after David just as Jesus was. Adam the man is always shown less as in the example Adam the man being of "a root" and Jesus being "the root"

Isaiah 11:10:
10 And in that day there shall be "a" root of Jesse(Jesus is "the" root, this servant is "a" root, little letters big difference), which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
Jesus Himself said in John 15:5I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing

So Jesus is the "vine" and we are the "branches" but this zerubbabel(last day servant is the "chief Branch" with the commission of rebuilding the spiritual temple.
 Quoting: waterman


Dear Waterman,

The entire Bible is written about Jesus, if you will keep this in mind......first find Jesus in the passage of scripture your reading....then backtrack and the rest of the entities in the story will come into full view!

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Agreed the whole bible is about Jesus! Jesus being the first begotten of God:
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell” (Collosians 1:15-19)

WOW look at the importance of the firstborn of every creature......the WHOLE BIBLE is written about Him. God is very proud of that.......Wouldn't the be strange if Jesus was proud of his first begotten which is Adam and wrote him in the shadow of Himself into the whole Bible and nobody saw it til the end. What if Jesus said "everything is mine" and I'm giving it to you, because your my firstborn!..kinda reminds ya of a charlie and chocolate factory ending doesn't it. It's all mine charlie but I'm giving it all to you!
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Yes Waterman, you have eyes to see!

Do you have ears to hear?

There are amazing truths about Jesus Christ from Genesis 1 to Revelation 22

I will look for your posts so we can explore the RICHES OF THE INHERITANCE WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN BY OUR FATHER IN HEAVEN...."I mean The Kingdom Of God Is Within Us" And God is everywhere at all times.... Really does mean ALL those Promises ARE REALLY OURS right now in real earth time!

Read the promises left by Jesus Christ The Holy Spirit and The Father.......


2 Peter 1:1-10


Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ,

To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:

Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord,as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue,
by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

Fruitfulness and Growth are our inheritance by Faith

But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.

Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble; for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Waterman, this is what we live for.... His promises becoming reality in us "Christ in you your Hope of Glory" is a gift from God for any of His children who desire the narrow path with the narrow gate.

So I read the Bible like you do, with great ferver, do you know Who the book of Revelation is about from page 1 to the end?

If you want we can start at the first verse of chapter one and you will see Jesus Christ in all of His Glory and Majesty! Really, Revelation is exaxtly what He says it is...HIS TESTIMONY!

See you tomorrow
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do you know Who the book of Revelation is about from page 1 to the end?

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Tell me how revelation 14:14 is Jesus when His own creation(the angel) has to tell "Jesus" when to reap the harvest. And notice this one "like the son of man" has only a single gold crown It's not Jesus reaping the harvest it is Adam the firstborn of Jesus

Rev. 14:14: THE LAST DAY SERVANT(ADAM)

14I looked, and there before me was a white cloud, and seated on the cloud was one “like a son of man”a with "a" crown of gold on his head and a sharp sickle in his hand. 15Then another angel came out of the temple and called in a loud voice to him who was sitting on the cloud, “Take your sickle and reap, because the time to reap has come, for the harvest of the earth is ripe.” 16So he who was seated on the cloud swung his sickle over the earth, and the earth was harvested. (WOW!!! when did JESUS start taking orders from an angel!?!?)


Rev 19:11 JESUS KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS!

I sure hope Jesus knows what to do that angel that was in rev. 14 is no where to be found to tell Jesus what to do here in Rev 19.

11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.(This is clearly Jesus)

14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.(why is nobody telling Jesus what to do? Why does Jesus have manY crowns and the guy "like a son of man" only has a single crown
..........because this rev 19 is Jesus and rev. 14 is Adam, Jesus' firstborn!
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Adam is the one the firstborn of JESUS, Adam is the chosen one. He is the greater of the two witnesses and will die and 3 and a half days later be raised by God and will be given everything!:



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Re: Rapture of the Church and the 7 year tribulation(actually 10 year tribulation)
Dear Waterman,

May God give you great understanding of His Word.


See you in Heaven Brother
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I believe God has already given waterman a great understanding and insight of His Word. It just seems that some cannot yet see it. Nevertheless, nothing that has been said by waterman is contrary to God's Word, it just has never been interpreted that way before. A new interpretation of the Word may show that the original interpretation had originally been wrong! After all interpretations are only the works of human discernment's, not God's dictates or commands! So if some interpretations were not correctly discerned in the passed. Why not consider another interpretation, that seems reasonable, but may break away from some long heard tradition of belief by someone long ago. these men may not have discern the meaning all that well either, at that time!
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Yes, always learning, but never able to come to the knowledge of The Truth.
Waterman is doing very well in his studies, I have learned in life that if I don't understand something it is good to have a Christian friend to speak to..... keep pressing into The Kingdom brother Waterman.

See you another day

p.s. I don't know how we can exchange emails on this site but if we can I will send you books of the Bible God has revealed to me.
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Why do you presume that waterman hasn't other christian friends to consult with. Why do you presume that you are right and he is wrong.
Thank you for the offer of the Christian book for further study. However, after reading over a thousand books my first two years as a christian, and memorizing many hundreds of scripture and several books of God's Word, in that same time frame I thought I knew all I needed to know also. In my arrogance God kindly directed me down a more productive path in comprehending the depth of His Word. The Lord instructed me saying: "Put away the teachings of men. For in them is a little silver and much dross. And take unto yourself my Word, for therein lies much gold and by my spirit therein lies no dross." Since those many decades ago I have sought the Word and the path in which the Spirit of the Most High would direct me. Thank you for the offer, but I have probable already read some if not most of the books you are offering.
You cannot see another hidden servant in God's word, because you see the Christ as egotistical, and that He has no desire to share His Kingdom with His dear ones! The Word truly reveals Jesus, but Jesus who is the Word is seeking to reveal his children, and their servitude toward Him in these last days. Look closely and you may see yourself and even recognize that hidden man, throughout the Word, that Jesus, as the Word, is seeking to reveal. For the Word has hidden him in the shadow of His hand, (Isa.49:2), remember only Jesus of the trinity posses a shadow, for He is of flesh and bone, not the Father or the Spirit which is Holy, can posses a shadow (James.1:17). So if you look at this hidden man in this (Isa. 49 chapter) the Word (Jesus) makes it clear he (that hidden one) will bring together the tribes and even the Gentiles in the end days. This is before the return of his (that hidden man's) Lord, at His second coming. So these verses are declaring a mystery, no one can see. Why? Because men believe traditional teachings and they do not line up with God's Word. Follow the shadow, and you will see the One in Isa.40-51, is the Son of God, revealing his child, not God the Father, speaking about His Son! When this man comes forth in his time, he will magnify (make clear) the law (Word) of God (Isa.42:21) and do away with the tradition of man's teachings that are contrary to God's Word and objectives!
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Re: Rapture of the Church and the 7 year tribulation(actually 10 year tribulation)
There are 4 groups of people on the rapture:

Is your faith in Jesus Christ or is it in the rapture, It will be tested!

1. Pre-tribulation rapture
2. Mid-tribulation rapture
3. Post-tribulation rapture
4. No tribulation rapture


How long is tribulation?
The end of the age of grace is the beginning of the 70th week of daniel, or 7 year tribulation.


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The 70 weeks were fulfilled long ago.

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I'm in the middle of dinner right now but that 70th week won't be complete until the antichrist makes a 7 year peace treaty with Israel, allows the 3rd temple to be rebuilt and after 42 months goes into the temple and claims to be God..their may have been a foreshadow of the 70th week but satan has the floor for the last 7 years and it is the 70th week of daniel
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Read your other posts. You have not shown any "gap" between weeks 69 & 70. The 490 years were fulfilled long ago. The claim there is a future 7 years of the 70th week is a new theology, created by the Jesuits. Spread by Scofield.

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Those 42 months or 1260 days is first found in Daniel chapter 7. Prophetic time always uses the day-year principle as we saw with 70 weeks of 490 years.

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Rome's dark ages lasted exactly 1260 years, filfilling the prophecies about antichrist, the fourth beast of Daniel & Revelation!

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