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Rapture of the Church and the 7 year tribulation(actually 10 year tribulation)

 
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Adam is the one the firstborn of JESUS, Adam is the chosen one. He is the greater of the two witnesses and will die and 3 and a half days later be raised by God and will be given everything!:

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 Quoting: waterman



Nooo Bible.

All becomes a big guessing game when we do not identify when those 42 months are/were. Rev 11 was fulfilled following the 42 months at the time of the French Revolution as Napoleon arrested the Pope and seized the Papal States bringing an end to the 1260 year-holy roman empire.

The two witnesses/candlesticks we are told was the Bible - going as a witness to all.

The symbolism from Rev 11 comes from Zech 4 and 5, about the word of God (candlesticks that are a witness)

Zech.4:3 "And two olive trees by it, one on the right side of the bowl, and the other on the left side thereof. So I answered and spoke to the angel that talked with me, saying, What are these, my lord? Then the angel that talked with me answered and said to me, Know you not what these be? And I said, No, my lord. Then he answered and spoke to me, saying, This is the word of the LORD (...) Then answered I, and said to him, What are these two olive trees on the right side of the candlestick and on the left side thereof? And I answered again, and said to him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves? And he answered me and said, Know you not what these be? And I said, No, my lord. Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the LORD of the whole earth. Then I turned, and lifted up my eyes, and looked, and behold a flying roll."

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The most popular opinion found among the Doctors of Theology is that the two witnesses are two prophets that shall come during the Great Tribulation Period, while some say that this prophecy of the two witnesses has a two-fold meaning. However, the Scriptures and recorded history show that the prophecy about the two witnesses has indeed come to pass.

Jesus our Lord said: "And this Gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a WITNESS UNTO ALL NATIONS and then shall the end come." (Matthew 24:14). The Gospel taught from the Scriptures was to be a witness to all nations about the loving and saving power of Jesus Christ.

However, when the Roman Catholic Church became a religious dictatorship, the Scriptures were hidden from the vast population, and catechism was substituted instead of Bible study. The Gospel of the Bible became mingled with the pagan philosophies of Sun worship. The worship of the pagan Mother goddess became the idol of the Roman Catholic Church through the worship of the 'Virgin Mary'. When the Gospel became perverted through Romanism, God always had a remnant people who were teaching the True Faith during the 1260 years the Papacy cast the Truth to the ground. These faithful followers of Jesus were hunted down by papal authorities as heretics and criminals. They were tortured on the rack, burned at the stake; and it mattered not what age or sex, they were butchered in the name of Heaven.

When those faithful servants who proclaimed the sacred truths from the Old and New Testaments were tortured, murdered, thrown in dungeons and had to flee for their lives from the papal Inquisitors, the True Faith was forced to go underground. The Gospel set forth in the Old and New Testament that had to be preached into all the world for a witness to all nations before Christ would come again, was forced into a state of obscurity. This is what is meant by Revelation 11:3, "And they shall prophesy a THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED AND THREESCORE DAYS CLOTHED IN SACKCLOTH."

Sackcloth was worn by the Israelites in times of trouble and grief (2.Samuel 3:31, 1.Chronicles 21:15, 16; Isaiah 37:1). The sackcloth here mentioned in Revelation 11:3 was to mourn the supression of the Old and New Testament by the papal authorities during the 1260 years. The two witnesses, the two olive trees, or the two candlesticks represented the light the Scripture gives its reader.

The Olive Tree was the Israelites' source of oil to anoint their kings and priests. Oil has often, in Biblical language, been a symbol of the Holy Spirit (Zechariah 4:1-14). The Candlestick represents the illumination a searcher of Truth receives in the heart when he makes the Word of God his standard to measure Truth to live by. "Thy word is a LAMP unto my feet, and a light unto my path." Psalms 119:105

"And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouths, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy. And have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will." Revelation 11:5,6

This prophecy is a parallel with that of Jesus in Revelation 22:18,19. "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the Holy City, and from the things which are written in this book."

This will be the fate of ALL those who tamper with the sacred Scripture. These warnings were given by God to warn men against changing or adding to anything written in the Holy Scriptures. The Scriptures reveal God's plan for man from the beginning of creation until Christ's Second Coming, and also how he will provide for man after this Age. The Scriptures were given for man as a guide throughout his life to lead him through the gates of the New Jerusalem where he will dwell with God himself (Revelation 21:1-4).

[link to www.benabraham.com]
[link to www.temkit.com]
[link to www.revelationbibleprophecy.org]
[link to www.bibleexplained.com]
[link to www.revelations-two-witnesses.com]
[link to www.endtimes-bibleprophecy.com]
[link to www.lightministries.com]

Besides understanding the day-year principle it is important to understand previous chapters 9 & 10, as these were also about the Bible. Ch 9 was the fall of Constantinople at the hands of the Turks in 1453. Ch 10 was the Protestant Reformation in 1517 and Bible, made possible by the preserved Greek MS brought west after the fall of Constantinople.

This fellow covers Ch10 rather well although you or I do not have to agree with him 100% since he mixes schools of theology but still presents the gist of Chs 9 & 10. Then Veith covers Ch11 smashing it out of the park.

Rev 10: Protestant Reformation

[link to www.youtube.com]

Rev 11: Two witnesses/candlesticks, symbolic for the Bible: the law and the prophets.

[link to www.youtube.com]
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Jesus didn't follow sheep Jesus leads sheep...that last day david builds the temple of the Lord the spiritual temple 2nd corinthians 6:16. That last day servant David is the "Branch" in zechariah:
THE BRANCH: GODS SERVANT

Zech 3:

1 And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.

2 And the Lord said unto Satan, The Lord rebuke thee, O Satan; even the Lord that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?

3 Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and stood before the angel.

4 And he answered and spake unto those that stood before him, saying, Take away the filthy garments from him. And unto him he said, Behold, I have caused thine iniquity to pass from thee, and I will clothe thee with change of raiment.

5 And I said, Let them set a fair mitre upon his head. So they set a fair mitre upon his head, and clothed him with garments. And the angel of the Lord stood by.

6 And the angel of the Lord protested unto Joshua, saying,

7 Thus saith the Lord of hosts; If thou wilt walk in my ways, and if thou wilt keep my charge, then thou shalt also judge my house, and shalt also keep my courts, and I will give thee places to walk among these that stand by.

8 Hear now, O Joshua the high priest, thou, and thy fellows that sit before thee: for they are men wondered at: for, behold, I will bring forth my servant the Branch.

9 For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua; upon one stone shall be seven eyes: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith the Lord of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.

10 In that day, saith the Lord of hosts, shall ye call every man his neighbour under the vine and under the fig tree.
Zechariah 6:
11 Then take silver and gold, and make crowns, and set them upon the head of Joshua the son of Josedech, the high priest;

12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the Lord of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The Branch; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the Lord:

13 Even he shall build the temple of the Lord; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.

So we see the Branch builds the temple of God and at the same time the antichrist will be rebuilding the 3rd temple and that is why the Jews in the beginning will believe the antichrist is the promised messiah.

Zechariah chapter 4:
2 And said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a candlestick all of gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which are upon the top thereof:

3 And two olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof.

4 So I answered and spake to the angel that talked with me, saying, What are these, my lord?

5 Then the angel that talked with me answered and said unto me, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.

6 Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the Lord unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the Lord of hosts.

7 Who art thou, O great mountain? before Zerubbabel thou shalt become a plain: and he shall bring forth the headstone thereof with shoutings, crying, Grace, grace unto it.

8 Moreover the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,

9 The hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this house; his hands shall also finish it; and thou shalt know that the Lord of hosts hath sent me unto you.

10 For who hath despised the day of small things? for they shall rejoice, and shall see the plummet in the hand of Zerubbabel with those seven; they are the eyes of the Lord, which run to and fro through the whole earth.

11 Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?

12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?

13 And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.

14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.


Now we see Joshua and Zerubbabel are representing the two witness and are building the temple of the Lord(the spiritual temple) the antichrist builds the natural 3rd temple. The Jews see the physical but are not realizing it is the spiritual that matters.
Now we know from zechariah 3:12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the Lord of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The Branch; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the Lord:
the Branch rebuilds the temple

Here is another reference to the Branch:
Isaiah 11:
1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:

2 And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord;

3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the Lord: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:

4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth: with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.

We know from Rev 22:16:
Revelation 22:16

King James Version (KJV)

16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
we see Isaiah 11:1:
Isaiah 11:
1 And there shall come forth a rod(Jesus) out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch(last day servant) shall grow out of his roots(Jesus):....we see that the Branch is not "the root" or the rod(Jesus) but the Branch(last day servant) comes out of Jesse.....whenever you see the Branch mentioned it is either coming out of "the root" or is "a root"...not "the root" as Jesus is "the root" but the Branch is only "a root"(Think of it this way the last day servant it Adam the first begotten of Jesus. Adam was before David and will come after David just as Jesus was. Adam the man is always shown less as in the example Adam the man being of "a root" and Jesus being "the root"

Isaiah 11:10:
10 And in that day there shall be "a" root of Jesse(Jesus is "the" root, this servant is "a" root, little letters big difference), which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
Jesus Himself said in John 15:5I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing

So Jesus is the "vine" and we are the "branches" but this zerubbabel(last day servant is the "chief Branch" with the commission of rebuilding the spiritual temple.
 Quoting: waterman


Dear Waterman,

The entire Bible is written about Jesus, if you will keep this in mind......first find Jesus in the passage of scripture your reading....then backtrack and the rest of the entities in the story will come into full view!

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Agreed the whole bible is about Jesus! Jesus being the first begotten of God:
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell” (Collosians 1:15-19)

WOW look at the importance of the firstborn of every creature......the WHOLE BIBLE is written about Him. God is very proud of that.......Wouldn't the be strange if Jesus was proud of his first begotten which is Adam and wrote him in the shadow of Himself into the whole Bible and nobody saw it til the end. What if Jesus said "everything is mine" and I'm giving it to you, because your my firstborn!..kinda reminds ya of a charlie and chocolate factory ending doesn't it. It's all mine charlie but I'm giving it all to you!
 Quoting: waterman


Yes Waterman, you have eyes to see!

Do you have ears to hear?

There are amazing truths about Jesus Christ from Genesis 1 to Revelation 22

I will look for your posts so we can explore the RICHES OF THE INHERITANCE WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN BY OUR FATHER IN HEAVEN...."I mean The Kingdom Of God Is Within Us" And God is everywhere at all times.... Really does mean ALL those Promises ARE REALLY OURS right now in real earth time!

Read the promises left by Jesus Christ The Holy Spirit and The Father.......


2 Peter 1:1-10


Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ,

To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:

Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord,as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue,
by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

Fruitfulness and Growth are our inheritance by Faith

But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.

Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble; for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Waterman, this is what we live for.... His promises becoming reality in us "Christ in you your Hope of Glory" is a gift from God for any of His children who desire the narrow path with the narrow gate.

So I read the Bible like you do, with great ferver, do you know Who the book of Revelation is about from page 1 to the end?

If you want we can start at the first verse of chapter one and you will see Jesus Christ in all of His Glory and Majesty! Really, Revelation is exaxtly what He says it is...HIS TESTIMONY!

See you tomorrow
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21195758

do you know Who the book of Revelation is about from page 1 to the end?

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Tell me how revelation 14:14 is Jesus when His own creation(the angel) has to tell "Jesus" when to reap the harvest. And notice this one "like the son of man" has only a single gold crown It's not Jesus reaping the harvest it is Adam the firstborn of Jesus

Rev. 14:14: THE LAST DAY SERVANT(ADAM)

14I looked, and there before me was a white cloud, and seated on the cloud was one “like a son of man”a with "a" crown of gold on his head and a sharp sickle in his hand. 15Then another angel came out of the temple and called in a loud voice to him who was sitting on the cloud, “Take your sickle and reap, because the time to reap has come, for the harvest of the earth is ripe.” 16So he who was seated on the cloud swung his sickle over the earth, and the earth was harvested. (WOW!!! when did JESUS start taking orders from an angel!?!?)


Rev 19:11 JESUS KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS!

I sure hope Jesus knows what to do that angel that was in rev. 14 is no where to be found to tell Jesus what to do here in Rev 19.

11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.(This is clearly Jesus)

14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.(why is nobody telling Jesus what to do? Why does Jesus have manY crowns and the guy "like a son of man" only has a single crown
..........because this rev 19 is Jesus and rev. 14 is Adam, Jesus' firstborn!
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Adam is the one the firstborn of JESUS, Adam is the chosen one. He is the greater of the two witnesses and will die and 3 and a half days later be raised by God and will be given everything!:

v=-HGCa-ETJTQ
 Quoting: waterman



Nooo Bible.

All becomes a big guessing game when we do not identify when those 42 months are/were. Rev 11 was fulfilled following the 42 months at the time of the French Revolution as Napoleon arrested the Pope and seized the Papal States bringing an end to the 1260 year-holy roman empire.

The two witnesses/candlesticks we are told was the Bible - going as a witness to all.

The symbolism from Rev 11 comes from Zech 4 and 5, about the word of God (candlesticks that are a witness)

Zech.4:3 "And two olive trees by it, one on the right side of the bowl, and the other on the left side thereof. So I answered and spoke to the angel that talked with me, saying, What are these, my lord? Then the angel that talked with me answered and said to me, Know you not what these be? And I said, No, my lord. Then he answered and spoke to me, saying, This is the word of the LORD (...) Then answered I, and said to him, What are these two olive trees on the right side of the candlestick and on the left side thereof? And I answered again, and said to him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves? And he answered me and said, Know you not what these be? And I said, No, my lord. Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the LORD of the whole earth. Then I turned, and lifted up my eyes, and looked, and behold a flying roll."

:

The most popular opinion found among the Doctors of Theology is that the two witnesses are two prophets that shall come during the Great Tribulation Period, while some say that this prophecy of the two witnesses has a two-fold meaning. However, the Scriptures and recorded history show that the prophecy about the two witnesses has indeed come to pass.

Jesus our Lord said: "And this Gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a WITNESS UNTO ALL NATIONS and then shall the end come." (Matthew 24:14). The Gospel taught from the Scriptures was to be a witness to all nations about the loving and saving power of Jesus Christ.

However, when the Roman Catholic Church became a religious dictatorship, the Scriptures were hidden from the vast population, and catechism was substituted instead of Bible study. The Gospel of the Bible became mingled with the pagan philosophies of Sun worship. The worship of the pagan Mother goddess became the idol of the Roman Catholic Church through the worship of the 'Virgin Mary'. When the Gospel became perverted through Romanism, God always had a remnant people who were teaching the True Faith during the 1260 years the Papacy cast the Truth to the ground. These faithful followers of Jesus were hunted down by papal authorities as heretics and criminals. They were tortured on the rack, burned at the stake; and it mattered not what age or sex, they were butchered in the name of Heaven.

When those faithful servants who proclaimed the sacred truths from the Old and New Testaments were tortured, murdered, thrown in dungeons and had to flee for their lives from the papal Inquisitors, the True Faith was forced to go underground. The Gospel set forth in the Old and New Testament that had to be preached into all the world for a witness to all nations before Christ would come again, was forced into a state of obscurity. This is what is meant by Revelation 11:3, "And they shall prophesy a THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED AND THREESCORE DAYS CLOTHED IN SACKCLOTH."

Sackcloth was worn by the Israelites in times of trouble and grief (2.Samuel 3:31, 1.Chronicles 21:15, 16; Isaiah 37:1). The sackcloth here mentioned in Revelation 11:3 was to mourn the supression of the Old and New Testament by the papal authorities during the 1260 years. The two witnesses, the two olive trees, or the two candlesticks represented the light the Scripture gives its reader.

The Olive Tree was the Israelites' source of oil to anoint their kings and priests. Oil has often, in Biblical language, been a symbol of the Holy Spirit (Zechariah 4:1-14). The Candlestick represents the illumination a searcher of Truth receives in the heart when he makes the Word of God his standard to measure Truth to live by. "Thy word is a LAMP unto my feet, and a light unto my path." Psalms 119:105

"And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouths, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy. And have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will." Revelation 11:5,6

This prophecy is a parallel with that of Jesus in Revelation 22:18,19. "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the Holy City, and from the things which are written in this book."

This will be the fate of ALL those who tamper with the sacred Scripture. These warnings were given by God to warn men against changing or adding to anything written in the Holy Scriptures. The Scriptures reveal God's plan for man from the beginning of creation until Christ's Second Coming, and also how he will provide for man after this Age. The Scriptures were given for man as a guide throughout his life to lead him through the gates of the New Jerusalem where he will dwell with God himself (Revelation 21:1-4).

[link to www.benabraham.com]
[link to www.temkit.com]
[link to www.revelationbibleprophecy.org]
[link to www.bibleexplained.com]
[link to www.revelations-two-witnesses.com]
[link to www.endtimes-bibleprophecy.com]
[link to www.lightministries.com]

Besides understanding the day-year principle it is important to understand previous chapters 9 & 10, as these were also about the Bible. Ch 9 was the fall of Constantinople at the hands of the Turks in 1453. Ch 10 was the Protestant Reformation in 1517 and Bible, made possible by the preserved Greek MS brought west after the fall of Constantinople.

This fellow covers Ch10 rather well although you or I do not have to agree with him 100% since he mixes schools of theology but still presents the gist of Chs 9 & 10. Then Veith covers Ch11 smashing it out of the park.

Rev 10: Protestant Reformation

[link to www.youtube.com]

Rev 11: Two witnesses/candlesticks, symbolic for the Bible: the law and the prophets.

[link to www.youtube.com]
 Quoting: - 14012564


the two witnesses are two men if for 2700 years the bible did not join the two kingdoms, the northern kingdom(lost 10 tribes and the southern kingdom judah and benjamin(geographical israel) which ezekiel 37 says the servant of God does which is the greater of the two witnesses of revelation and zechariah(joshua and zerubabbel) how is the bible going to do it when there is a famine of hearing the word of God we know is coming from Amos chapter 8:11Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:.......your so alseep into one way of thinking that you can't see then end plan of God....these are the same kind of people when Jesus came and declared He was the way of salvation they were so focused on the law they couldn't see Him when he came. WAKE UP WAKE UP WAKE UP!!!
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Tell me how revelation 14:14 is Jesus when His own creation(the angel) has to tell "Jesus" when to reap the harvest. And notice this one "like the son of man" has only a single gold crown It's not Jesus reaping the harvest it is Adam the firstborn of Jesus


THE VOLUME OF THE BOOK IS WRITTEN ABOUT JESUS

Revelation 14

Then I looked, and behold, a Lamb standing on Mount Zion, (Christ standing on Calvary) and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, (ALL FALLEN MANKIND WAS ON THAT CROSS WITH HIM! 144,000 divided by 360 = 400 = the four corners of earth) having His Father’s name written on their foreheads. (At Calvary the New Covenant is now written upon every mans heart of flesh at birth) And I heard a voice from heaven, like the voice of many waters, (Many saints) and like the voice of loud thunder. (A Lion) And I heard the sound of harpists (Human Vocal chords worshiping God) playing their harps. They sang as it were a new song before the throne, (Redemptions Song Of Glory To Jesus Christ) before the four living creatures, and the elders; and no one could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who were redeemed from the earth. (I think God is far more Gracious than we Christians can imagine!) These are the ones who were not defiled with women, (Not defiled with the law of sin and death and their wives as Jesus just destroyed the works of the devil) for they are virgins. (We are 100% Holy and Pure in our Fathers eyes) These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. (If mankind realizes it or not, Jesus Christ is in full and complete control of all events in our lives) These were redeemed from among men, being firstfruits to God and to the Lamb. (We have part in The First Resurrection and are as Fresh First Fruits as the Day were were Redeemed) And in their mouth was found no deceit, for they are without fault before the throne of God. (He who is born of God has ceased from sin….. our Father will not impute iniquity to our account as Jesus has already paid the bill 2000 years ago)

Then I saw another angel flying in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to those who dwell on the earth— (The Messenger is The Holy Spirit writing the Gospel on the heart of every man, woman and child) to every nation, tribe, tongue, and people— saying with a loud voice, “Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; (The hour, day, month, and year of Jesus Christ sacrificing Himself for the suffering of man) and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water.” (Heaven and earth, the world and the eternal souls of men)
And another angel followed, saying, “Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, (The Old Covenant and the kingdom of darkness does not exist any more because of Jesus Blood) because she has made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.”
Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, (The only ones who worshiped the killing of Jesus Christ were the principalities and powers and fallen mankind, who were all invited to kill Him and in doing so they all were blotted out of The Book Of Life…. Our spirit has been set free from the loathsome boil of sin and eternal death)
and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. (The mystery is……… He killed everything inside us that was sin and He washed our soul white as wool at the same moment…. God sees us as Holy through His Son of LOVE) He shall be tormented with fire (Death) and brimstone (The Grave) in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke (SIN) of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, (Know God Know Peace, No God no peace) who worship the beast (Do not worship sin!) and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”
Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

Revelation 7:3 "Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we ...

"Wait! Don't harm the land or the sea or the trees until we have placed the seal of ... And he said, “Do not harm the land, neither the Sea, nor the trees, until we seal ... In their foreheads ……. (All mankind 144,000 were sealed in chapter 7,,,, Before the mark of the beast was put upon all fallen natures of men at Calvary)


Then I heard a voice from heaven saying to me, “Write: ‘Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.’” (For me to live is Christ but to die is gain)
“Yes,” says the Spirit, “that they may rest from their labors, and their works follow them.” (Build upon The Foundation wisely….Gold, Silver……..)

Then I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and on the cloud sat One like the Son of Man, (JESUS) having on His head a golden crown, and in His hand a sharp sickle. (THE WORD OF GOD, JESUS CHRIST!) And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to Him who sat on the cloud, “Thrust in Your sickle and reap, for the time has come for You to reap, for the harvest of the earth is ripe.” So He who sat on the cloud thrust in His sickle on the earth, and the earth was reaped. (We live in a spiritual world called eternity, in eternity God can reap the past and future souls for His eternal Kingdom)

Then another angel (Satan) came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
And another angel came out from the altar, who had power over fire, (The Holy Spirit) and he cried with a loud cry to him who had the sharp sickle, saying, “Thrust in your sharp sickle and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth, for her grapes are fully ripe.” So the angel thrust his sickle into the earth and gathered the vine of the earth,(JESUS) and threw it (HIM) into the great winepress of the wrath of God. (If Satan had known he was destroying his kingdom and his own life…he would have never crucified The Lord Of Glory) And the winepress was trampled outside the city, and blood came out of the winepress, up to the horses’ bridles, for one thousand six hundred furlongs.


REVELATION 14

The Blood ran up to the horses bridles for 1600 furlongs.

Revelation 14:20;

1600 furlongs.
David Chilton, in his book, Days of Vengeance, page 376, notes that 1600 furlongs is the length of literal Israel, as measured by Rome during the time of the apostles.

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Tell me how revelation 14:14 is Jesus when His own creation(the angel) has to tell "Jesus" when to reap the harvest. And notice this one "like the son of man" has only a single gold crown It's not Jesus reaping the harvest it is Adam the firstborn of Jesus


THE VOLUME OF THE BOOK IS WRITTEN ABOUT JESUS

Revelation 14

Then I looked, and behold, a Lamb standing on Mount Zion, (Christ standing on Calvary) and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, (ALL FALLEN MANKIND WAS ON THAT CROSS WITH HIM! 144,000 divided by 360 = 400 = the four corners of earth) having His Father’s name written on their foreheads. (At Calvary the New Covenant is now written upon every mans heart of flesh at birth) And I heard a voice from heaven, like the voice of many waters, (Many saints) and like the voice of loud thunder. (A Lion) And I heard the sound of harpists (Human Vocal chords worshiping God) playing their harps. They sang as it were a new song before the throne, (Redemptions Song Of Glory To Jesus Christ) before the four living creatures, and the elders; and no one could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who were redeemed from the earth. (I think God is far more Gracious than we Christians can imagine!) These are the ones who were not defiled with women, (Not defiled with the law of sin and death and their wives as Jesus just destroyed the works of the devil) for they are virgins. (We are 100% Holy and Pure in our Fathers eyes) These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. (If mankind realizes it or not, Jesus Christ is in full and complete control of all events in our lives) These were redeemed from among men, being firstfruits to God and to the Lamb. (We have part in The First Resurrection and are as Fresh First Fruits as the Day were were Redeemed) And in their mouth was found no deceit, for they are without fault before the throne of God. (He who is born of God has ceased from sin….. our Father will not impute iniquity to our account as Jesus has already paid the bill 2000 years ago)

Then I saw another angel flying in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to those who dwell on the earth— (The Messenger is The Holy Spirit writing the Gospel on the heart of every man, woman and child) to every nation, tribe, tongue, and people— saying with a loud voice, “Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; (The hour, day, month, and year of Jesus Christ sacrificing Himself for the suffering of man) and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water.” (Heaven and earth, the world and the eternal souls of men)
And another angel followed, saying, “Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, (The Old Covenant and the kingdom of darkness does not exist any more because of Jesus Blood) because she has made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.”
Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, (The only ones who worshiped the killing of Jesus Christ were the principalities and powers and fallen mankind, who were all invited to kill Him and in doing so they all were blotted out of The Book Of Life…. Our spirit has been set free from the loathsome boil of sin and eternal death)
and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. (The mystery is……… He killed everything inside us that was sin and He washed our soul white as wool at the same moment…. God sees us as Holy through His Son of LOVE) He shall be tormented with fire (Death) and brimstone (The Grave) in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke (SIN) of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, (Know God Know Peace, No God no peace) who worship the beast (Do not worship sin!) and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”
Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

Revelation 7:3 "Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we ...

"Wait! Don't harm the land or the sea or the trees until we have placed the seal of ... And he said, “Do not harm the land, neither the Sea, nor the trees, until we seal ... In their foreheads ……. (All mankind 144,000 were sealed in chapter 7,,,, Before the mark of the beast was put upon all fallen natures of men at Calvary)


Then I heard a voice from heaven saying to me, “Write: ‘Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.’” (For me to live is Christ but to die is gain)
“Yes,” says the Spirit, “that they may rest from their labors, and their works follow them.” (Build upon The Foundation wisely….Gold, Silver……..)

Then I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and on the cloud sat One like the Son of Man, (JESUS) having on His head a golden crown, and in His hand a sharp sickle. (THE WORD OF GOD, JESUS CHRIST!) And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to Him who sat on the cloud, “Thrust in Your sickle and reap, for the time has come for You to reap, for the harvest of the earth is ripe.” So He who sat on the cloud thrust in His sickle on the earth, and the earth was reaped. (We live in a spiritual world called eternity, in eternity God can reap the past and future souls for His eternal Kingdom)

Then another angel (Satan) came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
And another angel came out from the altar, who had power over fire, (The Holy Spirit) and he cried with a loud cry to him who had the sharp sickle, saying, “Thrust in your sharp sickle and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth, for her grapes are fully ripe.” So the angel thrust his sickle into the earth and gathered the vine of the earth,(JESUS) and threw it (HIM) into the great winepress of the wrath of God. (If Satan had known he was destroying his kingdom and his own life…he would have never crucified The Lord Of Glory) And the winepress was trampled outside the city, and blood came out of the winepress, up to the horses’ bridles, for one thousand six hundred furlongs.


REVELATION 14

The Blood ran up to the horses bridles for 1600 furlongs.

Revelation 14:20;

1600 furlongs.
David Chilton, in his book, Days of Vengeance, page 376, notes that 1600 furlongs is the length of literal Israel, as measured by Rome during the time of the apostles.

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21195758



THE VOLUME OF THE BOOK IS WRITTEN ABOUT JESUS
THE VOLUME OF THE BOOK IS WRITTEN ABOUT ADAM(JESUS' FIRSTBORN)


Again Jesus is "The" Lamb of God and the beginning of Rev 14 is showing "A" Lamb of God standing with the 144,000. Why 144,000 BECAUSE THIS LAST SERVANT ADAM IS A COPY OF HIS FATHER JESUS HE COMES IN THE BEGINNING AND THE END, AND HE IS STANDING WITH THE 144,000 BECAUSE HE IS THE SERVANT IN EZEKIEL 37 THE"DAVID" THAT BRING BOTH HOUSES OF ISRAEL(10 LOST TRIBES AND THE 2 TRIBES OF GEOGRAPHICAL ISRAEL JUDAH AND BENJAMIN TOGETHER AS ONE AND TO THE KNOWLEDGE THAT JESUS CHRIST HIS FATHER IS THE WAY OF SALVATION(144,000 ISN'T ONLY 144,000 PEOPLE IT IS SHOWING ALL OF ISRAEL IS SAVED ALL THE TRIBES ARE RESTORED)



WOW! if your claiming "the one like the Son of man" sitting on the cloud reaping the harvest is Jesus you are really DEMOTING the authority of Jesus to have to be told when to harvest the earth and it clearly shows only a single gold crown on the 'one like the Son of man' while rev 19 clearly describes Jesus with many crowns and not a single angel around to tell Jesus to do anything


BREAK DOWN ISAIAH 42 THE SERVANT OF GOD AND TELL ME ITS JESUS AND NOT ADAM(HINT VERSE 5 SHOWS YOU WHO IS SPEAKING THE CREATOR OF HEAVEN AND EARTH AND THE PEOPLE(JESUS)

42Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. 2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street. 3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking [1] flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth. 4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, [2] till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.

5 Thus saith God the Lord, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein: 6 I the Lord have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for "a" light(Jesus is "the light" but this servant is "a" light of the Gentiles; 7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. 8 I am the Lord: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. 9 Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.
Praise for the LORD's Mighty Deliverance

10 Sing unto the Lord a new song, and his praise from the end of the earth, ye that go down to the sea, and all that is therein; the isles, and the inhabitants thereof. 11 Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up their voice, the villages that Kedar doth inhabit: let the inhabitants of the rock sing, let them shout from the top of the mountains. 12 Let them give glory unto the Lord, and declare his praise in the islands.

13 The Lord shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail [3] against his enemies. 14 I have long time holden my peace; I have been still, and refrained myself: now will I cry like a travailing woman; I will destroy and devour [4] at once. 15 I will make waste mountains and hills, and dry up all their herbs; and I will make the rivers islands, and I will dry up the pools. 16 And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. [5] These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them. 17 They shall be turned back, they shall be greatly ashamed, that trust in graven images, that say to the molten images, Ye are our gods.
Israel's Failure to Profit from Discipline

18 Hear, ye deaf; and look, ye blind, that ye may see. 19 Who is blind, but my servant? or deaf, as my messenger that I sent? who is blind as he that is perfect, and blind as the Lord's servant? 20 Seeing many things, but thou observest not; opening the ears, but he heareth not. 21 The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable. 22 But this is a people robbed and spoiled; they are all of them snared in holes, and they are hid in prison houses: they are for a prey, and none delivereth; for a spoil, and none saith, Restore. 23 Who among you will give ear to this? who will hearken and hear for the time to come? 24 Who gave Jacob for a spoil, and Israel to the robbers? did not the Lord, he against whom we have sinned? for they would not walk in his ways, neither were they obedient unto his law. 25 Therefore he hath poured upon him the fury of his anger, and the strength of battle: and it hath set him on fire round about, yet he knew not; and it burned him, yet he laid it not to heart.

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Re: Rapture of the Church and the 7 year tribulation(actually 10 year tribulation)
Tell me how revelation 14:14 is Jesus when His own creation(the angel) has to tell "Jesus" when to reap the harvest. And notice this one "like the son of man" has only a single gold crown It's not Jesus reaping the harvest it is Adam the firstborn of Jesus


THE VOLUME OF THE BOOK IS WRITTEN ABOUT JESUS

Revelation 14

Then I looked, and behold, a Lamb standing on Mount Zion, (Christ standing on Calvary) and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, (ALL FALLEN MANKIND WAS ON THAT CROSS WITH HIM! 144,000 divided by 360 = 400 = the four corners of earth) having His Father’s name written on their foreheads. (At Calvary the New Covenant is now written upon every mans heart of flesh at birth) And I heard a voice from heaven, like the voice of many waters, (Many saints) and like the voice of loud thunder. (A Lion) And I heard the sound of harpists (Human Vocal chords worshiping God) playing their harps. They sang as it were a new song before the throne, (Redemptions Song Of Glory To Jesus Christ) before the four living creatures, and the elders; and no one could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who were redeemed from the earth. (I think God is far more Gracious than we Christians can imagine!) These are the ones who were not defiled with women, (Not defiled with the law of sin and death and their wives as Jesus just destroyed the works of the devil) for they are virgins. (We are 100% Holy and Pure in our Fathers eyes) These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. (If mankind realizes it or not, Jesus Christ is in full and complete control of all events in our lives) These were redeemed from among men, being firstfruits to God and to the Lamb. (We have part in The First Resurrection and are as Fresh First Fruits as the Day were were Redeemed) And in their mouth was found no deceit, for they are without fault before the throne of God. (He who is born of God has ceased from sin….. our Father will not impute iniquity to our account as Jesus has already paid the bill 2000 years ago)

Then I saw another angel flying in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to those who dwell on the earth— (The Messenger is The Holy Spirit writing the Gospel on the heart of every man, woman and child) to every nation, tribe, tongue, and people— saying with a loud voice, “Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; (The hour, day, month, and year of Jesus Christ sacrificing Himself for the suffering of man) and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water.” (Heaven and earth, the world and the eternal souls of men)
And another angel followed, saying, “Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, (The Old Covenant and the kingdom of darkness does not exist any more because of Jesus Blood) because she has made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.”
Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, (The only ones who worshiped the killing of Jesus Christ were the principalities and powers and fallen mankind, who were all invited to kill Him and in doing so they all were blotted out of The Book Of Life…. Our spirit has been set free from the loathsome boil of sin and eternal death)
and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. (The mystery is……… He killed everything inside us that was sin and He washed our soul white as wool at the same moment…. God sees us as Holy through His Son of LOVE) He shall be tormented with fire (Death) and brimstone (The Grave) in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke (SIN) of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, (Know God Know Peace, No God no peace) who worship the beast (Do not worship sin!) and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”
Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

Revelation 7:3 "Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we ...

"Wait! Don't harm the land or the sea or the trees until we have placed the seal of ... And he said, “Do not harm the land, neither the Sea, nor the trees, until we seal ... In their foreheads ……. (All mankind 144,000 were sealed in chapter 7,,,, Before the mark of the beast was put upon all fallen natures of men at Calvary)


Then I heard a voice from heaven saying to me, “Write: ‘Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.’” (For me to live is Christ but to die is gain)
“Yes,” says the Spirit, “that they may rest from their labors, and their works follow them.” (Build upon The Foundation wisely….Gold, Silver……..)

Then I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and on the cloud sat One like the Son of Man, (JESUS) having on His head a golden crown, and in His hand a sharp sickle. (THE WORD OF GOD, JESUS CHRIST!) And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to Him who sat on the cloud, “Thrust in Your sickle and reap, for the time has come for You to reap, for the harvest of the earth is ripe.” So He who sat on the cloud thrust in His sickle on the earth, and the earth was reaped. (We live in a spiritual world called eternity, in eternity God can reap the past and future souls for His eternal Kingdom)

Then another angel (Satan) came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
And another angel came out from the altar, who had power over fire, (The Holy Spirit) and he cried with a loud cry to him who had the sharp sickle, saying, “Thrust in your sharp sickle and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth, for her grapes are fully ripe.” So the angel thrust his sickle into the earth and gathered the vine of the earth,(JESUS) and threw it (HIM) into the great winepress of the wrath of God. (If Satan had known he was destroying his kingdom and his own life…he would have never crucified The Lord Of Glory) And the winepress was trampled outside the city, and blood came out of the winepress, up to the horses’ bridles, for one thousand six hundred furlongs.


REVELATION 14

The Blood ran up to the horses bridles for 1600 furlongs.

Revelation 14:20;

1600 furlongs.
David Chilton, in his book, Days of Vengeance, page 376, notes that 1600 furlongs is the length of literal Israel, as measured by Rome during the time of the apostles.

Revelation and the Destruction of Jerusalem - Sabbath More Fully
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21195758



THE VOLUME OF THE BOOK IS WRITTEN ABOUT JESUS
THE VOLUME OF THE BOOK IS WRITTEN ABOUT ADAM(JESUS' FIRSTBORN)


Again Jesus is "The" Lamb of God and the beginning of Rev 14 is showing "A" Lamb of God standing with the 144,000. Why 144,000 BECAUSE THIS LAST SERVANT ADAM IS A COPY OF HIS FATHER JESUS HE COMES IN THE BEGINNING AND THE END, AND HE IS STANDING WITH THE 144,000 BECAUSE HE IS THE SERVANT IN EZEKIEL 37 THE"DAVID" THAT BRING BOTH HOUSES OF ISRAEL(10 LOST TRIBES AND THE 2 TRIBES OF GEOGRAPHICAL ISRAEL JUDAH AND BENJAMIN TOGETHER AS ONE AND TO THE KNOWLEDGE THAT JESUS CHRIST HIS FATHER IS THE WAY OF SALVATION(144,000 ISN'T ONLY 144,000 PEOPLE IT IS SHOWING ALL OF ISRAEL IS SAVED ALL THE TRIBES ARE RESTORED)



WOW! if your claiming "the one like the Son of man" sitting on the cloud reaping the harvest is Jesus you are really DEMOTING the authority of Jesus to have to be told when to harvest the earth and it clearly shows only a single gold crown on the 'one like the Son of man' while rev 19 clearly describes Jesus with many crowns and not a single angel around to tell Jesus to do anything


BREAK DOWN ISAIAH 42 THE SERVANT OF GOD AND TELL ME ITS JESUS AND NOT ADAM(HINT VERSE 5 SHOWS YOU WHO IS SPEAKING THE CREATOR OF HEAVEN AND EARTH AND THE PEOPLE(JESUS)

42Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. 2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street. 3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking [1] flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth. 4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, [2] till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.

5 Thus saith God the Lord, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein: 6 I the Lord have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for "a" light(Jesus is "the light" but this servant is "a" light of the Gentiles; 7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. 8 I am the Lord: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. 9 Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.
Praise for the LORD's Mighty Deliverance

10 Sing unto the Lord a new song, and his praise from the end of the earth, ye that go down to the sea, and all that is therein; the isles, and the inhabitants thereof. 11 Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up their voice, the villages that Kedar doth inhabit: let the inhabitants of the rock sing, let them shout from the top of the mountains. 12 Let them give glory unto the Lord, and declare his praise in the islands.

13 The Lord shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail [3] against his enemies. 14 I have long time holden my peace; I have been still, and refrained myself: now will I cry like a travailing woman; I will destroy and devour [4] at once. 15 I will make waste mountains and hills, and dry up all their herbs; and I will make the rivers islands, and I will dry up the pools. 16 And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. [5] These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them. 17 They shall be turned back, they shall be greatly ashamed, that trust in graven images, that say to the molten images, Ye are our gods.
Israel's Failure to Profit from Discipline

18 Hear, ye deaf; and look, ye blind, that ye may see. 19 Who is blind, but my servant? or deaf, as my messenger that I sent? who is blind as he that is perfect, and blind as the Lord's servant? 20 Seeing many things, but thou observest not; opening the ears, but he heareth not. 21 The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable. 22 But this is a people robbed and spoiled; they are all of them snared in holes, and they are hid in prison houses: they are for a prey, and none delivereth; for a spoil, and none saith, Restore. 23 Who among you will give ear to this? who will hearken and hear for the time to come? 24 Who gave Jacob for a spoil, and Israel to the robbers? did not the Lord, he against whom we have sinned? for they would not walk in his ways, neither were they obedient unto his law. 25 Therefore he hath poured upon him the fury of his anger, and the strength of battle: and it hath set him on fire round about, yet he knew not; and it burned him, yet he laid it not to heart.
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"And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouths, and devoures their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy. And have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will." Revelation 11:5,6

This prophecy is a parallel with that of Jesus in Revelation 22:18,19. "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the Holy City, and from the things which are written in this book."

This will be the fate of ALL those who tamper with the sacred Scripture.
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the two witnesses are two men if for 2700 years the bible did not join the two kingdoms, the northern kingdom(lost 10 tribes and the southern kingdom judah and benjamin(geographical israel) which ezekiel 37 says the servant of God does which is the greater of the two witnesses of revelation and zechariah(joshua and zerubabbel)

how is the bible going to do it when there is a famine of hearing the word of God we know is coming from Amos chapter 8:11Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:.

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There is no famine of hearing the word. That would be an anti-bible doctrine. The passage you refer to was a past event, unrelated to Rev 11.

Rev 11 tells us the two witnesses/candlesticks are not actual men.
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11:3 "And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and three score days, clothed in sackcloth. These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth."
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Symbolism from the book of Zechariah chapters 4 & 5 about God's anointed word, the Bible.
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"And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouths, and devoures their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy. And have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will." Revelation 11:5,6

This prophecy is a parallel with that of Jesus in Revelation 22:18,19. "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the Holy City, and from the things which are written in this book."

This will be the fate of ALL those who tamper with the sacred Scripture.
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the two witnesses are two men if for 2700 years the bible did not join the two kingdoms, the northern kingdom(lost 10 tribes and the southern kingdom judah and benjamin(geographical israel) which ezekiel 37 says the servant of God does which is the greater of the two witnesses of revelation and zechariah(joshua and zerubabbel)

how is the bible going to do it when there is a famine of hearing the word of God we know is coming from Amos chapter 8:11Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:.

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There is no famine of hearing the word. That would be an anti-bible doctrine. The passage you refer to was a past event, unrelated to Rev 11.

Rev 11 tells us the two witnesses/candlesticks are not actual men.
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11:3 "And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and three score days, clothed in sackcloth. These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth."
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Symbolism from the book of Zechariah chapters 4 & 5 about God's anointed word, the Bible.
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When the antichrist and false prophet rule in the last 7 years I see a famine of the word coming
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Tell me how revelation 14:14 is Jesus when His own creation(the angel) has to tell "Jesus" when to reap the harvest. And notice this one "like the son of man" has only a single gold crown It's not Jesus reaping the harvest it is Adam the firstborn of Jesus


THE VOLUME OF THE BOOK IS WRITTEN ABOUT JESUS

Revelation 14

Then I looked, and behold, a Lamb standing on Mount Zion, (Christ standing on Calvary) and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, (ALL FALLEN MANKIND WAS ON THAT CROSS WITH HIM! 144,000 divided by 360 = 400 = the four corners of earth) having His Father’s name written on their foreheads. (At Calvary the New Covenant is now written upon every mans heart of flesh at birth) And I heard a voice from heaven, like the voice of many waters, (Many saints) and like the voice of loud thunder. (A Lion) And I heard the sound of harpists (Human Vocal chords worshiping God) playing their harps. They sang as it were a new song before the throne, (Redemptions Song Of Glory To Jesus Christ) before the four living creatures, and the elders; and no one could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who were redeemed from the earth. (I think God is far more Gracious than we Christians can imagine!) These are the ones who were not defiled with women, (Not defiled with the law of sin and death and their wives as Jesus just destroyed the works of the devil) for they are virgins. (We are 100% Holy and Pure in our Fathers eyes) These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. (If mankind realizes it or not, Jesus Christ is in full and complete control of all events in our lives) These were redeemed from among men, being firstfruits to God and to the Lamb. (We have part in The First Resurrection and are as Fresh First Fruits as the Day were were Redeemed) And in their mouth was found no deceit, for they are without fault before the throne of God. (He who is born of God has ceased from sin….. our Father will not impute iniquity to our account as Jesus has already paid the bill 2000 years ago)

Then I saw another angel flying in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to those who dwell on the earth— (The Messenger is The Holy Spirit writing the Gospel on the heart of every man, woman and child) to every nation, tribe, tongue, and people— saying with a loud voice, “Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; (The hour, day, month, and year of Jesus Christ sacrificing Himself for the suffering of man) and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water.” (Heaven and earth, the world and the eternal souls of men)
And another angel followed, saying, “Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, (The Old Covenant and the kingdom of darkness does not exist any more because of Jesus Blood) because she has made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.”
Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, (The only ones who worshiped the killing of Jesus Christ were the principalities and powers and fallen mankind, who were all invited to kill Him and in doing so they all were blotted out of The Book Of Life…. Our spirit has been set free from the loathsome boil of sin and eternal death)
and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. (The mystery is……… He killed everything inside us that was sin and He washed our soul white as wool at the same moment…. God sees us as Holy through His Son of LOVE) He shall be tormented with fire (Death) and brimstone (The Grave) in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke (SIN) of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, (Know God Know Peace, No God no peace) who worship the beast (Do not worship sin!) and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”
Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

Revelation 7:3 "Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we ...

"Wait! Don't harm the land or the sea or the trees until we have placed the seal of ... And he said, “Do not harm the land, neither the Sea, nor the trees, until we seal ... In their foreheads ……. (All mankind 144,000 were sealed in chapter 7,,,, Before the mark of the beast was put upon all fallen natures of men at Calvary)


Then I heard a voice from heaven saying to me, “Write: ‘Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.’” (For me to live is Christ but to die is gain)
“Yes,” says the Spirit, “that they may rest from their labors, and their works follow them.” (Build upon The Foundation wisely….Gold, Silver……..)

Then I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and on the cloud sat One like the Son of Man, (JESUS) having on His head a golden crown, and in His hand a sharp sickle. (THE WORD OF GOD, JESUS CHRIST!) And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to Him who sat on the cloud, “Thrust in Your sickle and reap, for the time has come for You to reap, for the harvest of the earth is ripe.” So He who sat on the cloud thrust in His sickle on the earth, and the earth was reaped. (We live in a spiritual world called eternity, in eternity God can reap the past and future souls for His eternal Kingdom)

Then another angel (Satan) came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
And another angel came out from the altar, who had power over fire, (The Holy Spirit) and he cried with a loud cry to him who had the sharp sickle, saying, “Thrust in your sharp sickle and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth, for her grapes are fully ripe.” So the angel thrust his sickle into the earth and gathered the vine of the earth,(JESUS) and threw it (HIM) into the great winepress of the wrath of God. (If Satan had known he was destroying his kingdom and his own life…he would have never crucified The Lord Of Glory) And the winepress was trampled outside the city, and blood came out of the winepress, up to the horses’ bridles, for one thousand six hundred furlongs.


REVELATION 14

The Blood ran up to the horses bridles for 1600 furlongs.

Revelation 14:20;

1600 furlongs.
David Chilton, in his book, Days of Vengeance, page 376, notes that 1600 furlongs is the length of literal Israel, as measured by Rome during the time of the apostles.

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THE VOLUME OF THE BOOK IS WRITTEN ABOUT JESUS
THE VOLUME OF THE BOOK IS WRITTEN ABOUT ADAM(JESUS' FIRSTBORN)


Again Jesus is "The" Lamb of God and the beginning of Rev 14 is showing "A" Lamb of God standing with the 144,000. Why 144,000 BECAUSE THIS LAST SERVANT ADAM IS A COPY OF HIS FATHER JESUS HE COMES IN THE BEGINNING AND THE END, AND HE IS STANDING WITH THE 144,000 BECAUSE HE IS THE SERVANT IN EZEKIEL 37 THE"DAVID" THAT BRING BOTH HOUSES OF ISRAEL(10 LOST TRIBES AND THE 2 TRIBES OF GEOGRAPHICAL ISRAEL JUDAH AND BENJAMIN TOGETHER AS ONE AND TO THE KNOWLEDGE THAT JESUS CHRIST HIS FATHER IS THE WAY OF SALVATION(144,000 ISN'T ONLY 144,000 PEOPLE IT IS SHOWING ALL OF ISRAEL IS SAVED ALL THE TRIBES ARE RESTORED)



WOW! if your claiming "the one like the Son of man" sitting on the cloud reaping the harvest is Jesus you are really DEMOTING the authority of Jesus to have to be told when to harvest the earth and it clearly shows only a single gold crown on the 'one like the Son of man' while rev 19 clearly describes Jesus with many crowns and not a single angel around to tell Jesus to do anything


BREAK DOWN ISAIAH 42 THE SERVANT OF GOD AND TELL ME ITS JESUS AND NOT ADAM(HINT VERSE 5 SHOWS YOU WHO IS SPEAKING THE CREATOR OF HEAVEN AND EARTH AND THE PEOPLE(JESUS)

42Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. 2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street. 3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking [1] flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth. 4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, [2] till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.

5 Thus saith God the Lord, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein: 6 I the Lord have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for "a" light(Jesus is "the light" but this servant is "a" light of the Gentiles; 7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. 8 I am the Lord: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. 9 Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.
Praise for the LORD's Mighty Deliverance

10 Sing unto the Lord a new song, and his praise from the end of the earth, ye that go down to the sea, and all that is therein; the isles, and the inhabitants thereof. 11 Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up their voice, the villages that Kedar doth inhabit: let the inhabitants of the rock sing, let them shout from the top of the mountains. 12 Let them give glory unto the Lord, and declare his praise in the islands.

13 The Lord shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail [3] against his enemies. 14 I have long time holden my peace; I have been still, and refrained myself: now will I cry like a travailing woman; I will destroy and devour [4] at once. 15 I will make waste mountains and hills, and dry up all their herbs; and I will make the rivers islands, and I will dry up the pools. 16 And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. [5] These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them. 17 They shall be turned back, they shall be greatly ashamed, that trust in graven images, that say to the molten images, Ye are our gods.
Israel's Failure to Profit from Discipline

18 Hear, ye deaf; and look, ye blind, that ye may see. 19 Who is blind, but my servant? or deaf, as my messenger that I sent? who is blind as he that is perfect, and blind as the Lord's servant? 20 Seeing many things, but thou observest not; opening the ears, but he heareth not. 21 The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable. 22 But this is a people robbed and spoiled; they are all of them snared in holes, and they are hid in prison houses: they are for a prey, and none delivereth; for a spoil, and none saith, Restore. 23 Who among you will give ear to this? who will hearken and hear for the time to come? 24 Who gave Jacob for a spoil, and Israel to the robbers? did not the Lord, he against whom we have sinned? for they would not walk in his ways, neither were they obedient unto his law. 25 Therefore he hath poured upon him the fury of his anger, and the strength of battle: and it hath set him on fire round about, yet he knew not; and it burned him, yet he laid it not to heart.
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He who is first shall be last, and he who is last shall be first. One of the same person's, both first and last is speaking about Adam, as that hidden one. He appears in the beginning and he appears in the end. Symbolism of the spirit, for these are spiritual exhortations of God's agenda!
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Jesus Christ has many names, one is "the Second Adam"

Waterman, In Rev.14, Jesus has one crown because the Bema Seat Judgement of believers rewards hasn't occurred yet, that's when we receive crowns for our service and then cast those crowns back to Jesus because he's the ultimate source that enables our good works. That's why in Rev. 19 he's wearing many crowns.

Also, the angels in Rev.13 are called 'watcher'angels, they watch over believers and over activity of men and events on earth... therefore, they are responsible to know when it's time for judgement so they report to Jesus when iniquity on earth is 'full' and it's time for wrath and judgment...See Rev.14:7 They are Jesus' timekeepers.
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Jesus Christ has many names, one is "the Second Adam"

Waterman, In Rev.14, Jesus has one crown because the Bema Seat Judgement of believers rewards hasn't occurred yet, that's when we receive crowns for our service and then cast those crowns back to Jesus because he's the ultimate source that enables our good works. That's why in Rev. 19 he's wearing many crowns.

Also, the angels in Rev.13 are called 'watcher'angels, they watch over believers and over activity of men and events on earth... therefore, they are responsible to know when it's time for judgement so they report to Jesus when iniquity on earth is 'full' and it's time for wrath and judgment...See Rev.14:7 They are Jesus' timekeepers.
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Romans 11:29
For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance( God gives you something or calls you for something HE isn't going to take it back and here is what ADAM is called to do and receive: Dominion over everything and everybody that moves on earth:

You can't see this servant yet, but you will. I am confident that only Jesus can redeem and save us, but I am also confident God raises up a last day servant that will bring the two houses of Israel back together(10 lost tribes, and 2 tribes of Judah and Benjamin) and as a result of this the last day servant will inherit the congregation. Adam and Eve brought forth physical children so that the kingdom of Zerubabbel bring forth the spiritual children(spiritual temple) 2nd corinthians 6:16. Just as John the baptist had the spirit of Elijah so the two last day servants will have the spirit of Adam and Eve. Adam being the firstborn. Here is what was promised to Adam and Eve and the gifts and callings of God are without repentance:

Gen 1:28:
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth
..which includes the children of Adam and Eve, the congregation

So 5 things Adam and Eve are called to do

1.Fruitful
2.Multiply
3.Replenish Earth
4.Subdue Earth
5.Dominion over every living thing that moves on Earth

So we see from this that Adam and Eve have dominion over everything that moves on earth, that would include their children: (This Adam and Eve are the two witnesses of revelation and zechariah(Joshua and Zerubabbel) the builders of the temple(kingdom)
do·min·ion

noun
1.
the power or right of governing and controlling; sovereign authority.
2.
rule; control; domination.
3.
a territory, usually of considerable size, in which a single rulership holds sway.
4.
lands or domains subject to sovereignty or control.



The dominion here will be parents to children relationship, not "I'm ruler and your follower" relationship, because the people of the world are the children of Adam and Eve and you can see the pattern of Israel splitting apart after king solomons reign just like Adam and Eve split apart, but in the end they become one again.

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I agree, we are inheriters with Jesus Christ - all things and power and dominion belong to him and therefore to us. a Jesus 2nd coming with us in tow will restore the earth to it's original condition and we will have our dominion restored.
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I agree, we are inheriters with Jesus Christ - all things and power and dominion belong to him and therefore to us. a Jesus 2nd coming with us in tow will restore the earth to it's original condition and we will have our dominion restored.
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This same servant is shown in Isaiah 42: we have been taught this is Jesus but it isn't because Jesus is speaking to this servant in verse 5. How do we know Jesus is speaking? Because Jesus created everything, earth heaven and people......so Jesus is not speaking to himself. Jesus is speaking to Adam his firstborn.......The firstborn always get the double portion and Adam will have dominion over all of Jesus' creation.

The servant is in verse 1 and Jesus is in verse 5(Jesus creator of heaven, earth and people).....Jesus is not holding his own hand

42Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. 2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street. 3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking [1] flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth. 4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, [2] till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.

5 Thus saith God the Lord, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein: 6 I the Lord have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for "a light" of the Gentiles(Jesus is "the light of the world this servant is "a light"....little letters, big difference; 7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. 8 I am the Lord: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. 9 Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.

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I agree, we are inheriters with Jesus Christ - all things and power and dominion belong to him and therefore to us. a Jesus 2nd coming with us in tow will restore the earth to it's original condition and we will have our dominion restored.
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Jesus will represent that Godly domain over the Earth (spiritual). The Last Adam, who is not the second man but the first, and last, will represent the (physical) aspect of the dominion restored. There are two Adams, first, and last and one man. who is the second man. The last is not the second, and the second, is not the first or last!

(1Cor.15:45-47) And so it is written, The first man Adamwas made a living soul: the last Adamwas made a quickening spirit. The first man Adam is of the earth: the second man, not the last Adam, but the SECOND MAN is the Lord from heaven, this is Jesus! Jesus is the the second man who stands (chronological) between the other two, first and last Adam's causing them to become a living soul and a quickening living spirit...a whole man, (physically, soulish, and spiritually), as God intended, in other words! That last Adam can not be Jesus, because Jesus' spirit could never cease to be alive, for he is the one that quickens not the quickened!!! (John.5:21kjv)For as the Father raiseth the dead, and quickeneth them, even so the Son quickeneth whom he will. God's spirit never needed to be brought to life, He is God (Jesus), God cannot ever die spiritually,never!!! However, the last Adam needed that spiritual life, that only Jesus could give him.

Stop following the tradition of man's interpreted concept of God's Word and read the whole of its intent. Then you will see many hidden meanings never beforehand made cognizant to those who believe they can see. For your enemy desires these things to remain hidden from those who see not, neither do they hear the stilled voiced Words of God! If you can receive it, yes; the intention of the Master is to give the servant all things in heaven and on earth. For as the Father has said of His Son, the Lord of Lords, thou art God. So has the King of Kings said of His son; thou art a king above all the kings in heaven and on earth, for all times, throughout all ages, worlds without end! Yes Adam is the first born of God's created beings and intended wholeness of God's hidden intended purpose,plan, and order of all things, through Jesus Christ!
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I agree, we are inheriters with Jesus Christ - all things and power and dominion belong to him and therefore to us. a Jesus 2nd coming with us in tow will restore the earth to it's original condition and we will have our dominion restored.
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Jesus will represent that Godly domain over the Earth (spiritual). The Last Adam, who is not the second man but the first, and last, will represent the (physical) aspect of the dominion restored. There are two Adams, first, and last and one man. who is the second man. The last is not the second, and the second, is not the first or last!

(1Cor.15:45-47) And so it is written, The first man Adamwas made a living soul: the last Adamwas made a quickening spirit. The first man Adam is of the earth: the second man, not the last Adam, but the SECOND MAN is the Lord from heaven, this is Jesus! Jesus is the the second man who stands (chronological) between the other two, first and last Adam's causing them to become a living soul and a quickening living spirit...a whole man, (physically, soulish, and spiritually), as God intended, in other words! That last Adam can not be Jesus, because Jesus' spirit could never cease to be alive, for he is the one that quickens not the quickened!!! (John.5:21kjv)For as the Father raiseth the dead, and quickeneth them, even so the Son quickeneth whom he will. God's spirit never needed to be brought to life, He is God (Jesus), God cannot ever die spiritually,never!!! However, the last Adam needed that spiritual life, that only Jesus could give him.

Stop following the tradition of man's interpreted concept of God's Word and read the whole of its intent. Then you will see many hidden meanings never beforehand made cognizant to those who believe they can see. For your enemy desires these things to remain hidden from those who see not, neither do they hear the stilled voiced Words of God! If you can receive it, yes; the intention of the Master is to give the servant all things in heaven and on earth. For as the Father has said of His Son, the Lord of Lords, thou art God. So has the King of Kings said of His son; thou art a king above all the kings in heaven and on earth, for all times, throughout all ages, worlds without end! Yes Adam is the first born of God's created beings and intended wholeness of God's hidden intended purpose,plan, and order of all things, through Jesus Christ!
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That is exactly right:

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You misquoted verse 45

And so it is written, "The first man Adam became a living being." the last Adam became a life-giving spirit.ICor.15:45

Furthermore, the second Man is the Lord from heaven who became the last Adam by rising from the dead with a heavenly, imcoruptible,immortal body!

Jesus, is the one who gives us spiritual life when we are born again and we too will have an immortal, incorruptible, heavenly body at the rapture.

That's what the whole chapter is about. vs.50-54.
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You misquoted verse 45

And so it is written, "The first man Adam became a living being." the last Adam became a life-giving spirit.ICor.15:45

Furthermore, the second Man is the Lord from heaven who became the last Adam by rising from the dead with a heavenly, imcoruptible,immortal body!

Jesus, is the one who gives us spiritual life when we are born again and we too will have an immortal, incorruptible, heavenly body at the rapture.

That's what the whole chapter is about. vs.50-54.
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He didn't misquote anything here is verse 45 in the king james which is the most accurate:

And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit.

HERE IS THE DEFINITION OF QUICKEN:

quick·en

1.
to make more rapid; accelerate; hasten: She quickened her pace.
2.
to give or restore vigor or activity to; stir up, rouse, or stimulate: to quicken the imagination.
3.
to revive; restore life to: The spring rains quickened the earth.

AND ADAM IS REVIVED IN THE END THANKS TO WHAT JESUS DID

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I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am "the root" and "the offspring" of David, and the bright and morning star.

Jesus is always "the root" or "the offsrping" or "the light of the world" but Adam Jesus' first born you will always see as "a root" or "a light" or "a lamb"...the bible hides Adam so well nobody will see him til the end and I will post the scriptures that are talking about Adam and not Jesus that everybody thinks is Jesus but is Adam:
Isaiah 11:10
10 And in that day there shall be "a root" of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

Isaiah 42(the servant(Adam, Jesus' firstborn)(WE KNOW JESUS IS SPEAKING IN VERSE 5 TO HIS SERVANT IN VERSE ONE BECAUSE JESUS IS THE CREATOR OF HEAVEN, EARTH AND PEOPLE AND THAT IS WHO IS TALKING IN VERSE 5 TO IS SERVANT IS VERSE 1

42Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. 2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street. 3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking [1] flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth. 4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, [2] till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.

5 Thus saith God the Lord, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein: 6 I the Lord have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for "a light" (JESUS ALWAYS CLAIMED TO BE "THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD" NOT "A" LIGHT OF THE WORLD...WANT TO FIND ADAM LOOK FOR THE "A" INSTEAD OF "THE" AS IN "A" LAMB OR "A" LIGHT OR "A"ROOT...JESUS IS ALWAYS "THE" LIGHT "THE LAMB" "THE ROOT"of the Gentiles; 7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. 8 I am the Lord: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. 9 Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.
Praise for the LORD's Mighty Deliverance

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In reference to "the rapture", the Orthodox, Roman Catholic and mainstream Protestant Churches all reject this popular myth. You might be surprised to know that the idea of rapture didn’t even exist until about 170 years ago. No Christian believed in this term for the first 1,800 years of Christianity. FACT.
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In reference to "the rapture", the Orthodox, Roman Catholic and mainstream Protestant Churches all reject this popular myth. You might be surprised to know that the idea of rapture didn’t even exist until about 170 years ago. No Christian believed in this term for the first 1,800 years of Christianity. FACT.
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AWESOME FACT THANKS! IF THE CATHOLICS REJECT IT THEN IT MUST BE TRUE

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You misquoted verse 45

And so it is written, "The first man Adam became a living being." the last Adam became a life-giving spirit.ICor.15:45

Furthermore, the second Man is the Lord from heaven who became the last Adam by rising from the dead with a heavenly, imcoruptible,immortal body!

Jesus, is the one who gives us spiritual life when we are born again and we too will have an immortal, incorruptible, heavenly body at the rapture.

That's what the whole chapter is about. vs.50-54.
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I did not misquote verse 45, you were not following the KJV of God's Word. That is why you read a different statement! The last Adam has no reference to the bodyincorruptible,immortal, or heavenly in verse 45 KJV. but it's about the spirit. So that second man has nothing in common with that last Adam! Except the Second man (brought to life, meaning of quickened, in this vernacular), that last Adam's spirit. Because all men are dead in their spirit at birth, but at the conversion of all men in Christ, they are made a living spirit! the whole chapter does not consist of just verses 50-54, the whole chapter is 1-54, read them carefully and you might see a deeper spiritual meaning.
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(Also, is there some way we can at least consider not giving satan any airtime any longer? It can't hurt, can it? FFS, is he defeated or not?)
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Since Re:9 is not done yet, read it and get back to me, I would have to say he has a ways to go before his defeat.
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My recommendation for christians everywhere is to put off mucking around in Revelation until your head is on straight. There's a reason there are 65 other sections preceding it.
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your recommendation for Christians is contrary to God's Word concerning the book of Revelation. (Rev.1:3) "Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is near." I don't believe anyone should follow your advice, not to read from the book of Revelation. You are discouraging something the very Word of God is encouraging. Unless you are of a higher authority than the Word of God, maybe you should be more careful of what you are suggesting.
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Dear Waterman,

May God give you great understanding of His Word.


See you in Heaven Brother
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I believe God has already given waterman a great understanding and insight of His Word. It just seems that some cannot yet see it. Nevertheless, nothing that has been said by waterman is contrary to God's Word, it just has never been interpreted that way before. A new interpretation of the Word may show that the original interpretation had originally been wrong! After all interpretations are only the works of human discernment's, not God's dictates or commands! So if some interpretations were not correctly discerned in the past. Why not consider another interpretation, that seems reasonable, but may break away from some long heard tradition of belief by someone long ago. these men may not have discern the meaning all that well either, at that time!
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There are 4 groups of people on the rapture:

Is your faith in Jesus Christ or is it in the rapture, It will be tested!

1. Pre-tribulation rapture
2. Mid-tribulation rapture
3. Post-tribulation rapture
4. No tribulation rapture


How long is tribulation?
The end of the age of grace is the beginning of the 70th week of daniel, or 7 year tribulation.


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The 70 weeks of Daniel were fulfilled long ago as 490 years.

The 42 months of Rev 11 & 13 have nothing to do with the 70 weeks of Daniel -- which was fulfilled in Jesus.

Rev 11 tells us 42 months / 1260 days. This is earlier found in [d]Daniel 7 "time times and a half"

Prophetic time is always day-year principle: 1260 years

Prophetic years are based on the old 360 day lunar calender year.

Calculating the "time, times and a half"

360, time
720, times
180, half
1260 - Total

1260 days

Dn.7:25 = time, times and a half (1260)
Dn.12:7 = time, times and a half (1260)
Rv.11:2 = 42 months (1260)
Rv.11:3 = 1260 days
Rv.12:6 = 1260 days
Rv.12:14 = time, times and a half (1260)
Rv.13:5 = 42 months (1260)


All these are the same 1260 period of history.

day-year principle

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

The 1260 years has been identified when the Rome Empire fell (476) and Papal Rome's empire took over from 538 to 1798 when Napoleon ended the Papal States.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
(538 to 1798)
[link to farm4.staticflickr.com]

The Dragon gave the seat of authority in Rome to wear out the Saints for those 1260 years, i.e. the dark ages.

[link to biblelight.net]

The ten kingdoms after the fall of Rome.

[link to www.historicism.com]
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There are 4 groups of people on the rapture:

Is your faith in Jesus Christ or is it in the rapture, It will be tested!

1. Pre-tribulation rapture
2. Mid-tribulation rapture
3. Post-tribulation rapture
4. No tribulation rapture


How long is tribulation?
The end of the age of grace is the beginning of the 70th week of daniel, or 7 year tribulation.


 Quoting: waterman

 Quoting: waterman


The 70 weeks of Daniel were fulfilled long ago as 490 years.

The 42 months of Rev 11 & 13 have nothing to do with the 70 weeks of Daniel -- which was fulfilled in Jesus.

Rev 11 tells us 42 months / 1260 days. This is earlier found in [d]Daniel 7 "time times and a half"

Prophetic time is always day-year principle: 1260 years

Prophetic years are based on the old 360 day lunar calender year.

Calculating the "time, times and a half"

360, time
720, times
180, half
1260 - Total

1260 days

Dn.7:25 = time, times and a half (1260)
Dn.12:7 = time, times and a half (1260)
Rv.11:2 = 42 months (1260)
Rv.11:3 = 1260 days
Rv.12:6 = 1260 days
Rv.12:14 = time, times and a half (1260)
Rv.13:5 = 42 months (1260)


All these are the same 1260 period of history.

day-year principle

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

The 1260 years has been identified when the Rome Empire fell (476) and Papal Rome's empire took over from 538 to 1798 when Napoleon ended the Papal States.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
(538 to 1798)
[link to farm4.staticflickr.com]

The Dragon gave the seat of authority in Rome to wear out the Saints for those 1260 years, i.e. the dark ages.

[link to biblelight.net]

The ten kingdoms after the fall of Rome.

[link to www.historicism.com]
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You are in group 4 thank you for posting your opinion
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Did you read the thread? Everyone goes through the first 42 months but those that remain faithful during that period and didn't just have faith in a rapture will not endure the 7 year tribulation
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Did you even read Matthew, or Luke 13?

The tribulation was shortened for the sake of the elect. It won't be 7 years.
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It won't be 7 lunar years it will be 7 prophetic years...lunar years are 365 days, prophetic year are 360 days..it will be shortened!
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WRONG. A lunar year is 354 days. A solar year is 365.25 days. How Bout them apples?
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thank you for your correction and yet both are longer than a prophetic year either way.
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i dont believe.
but if its true.
i guess ill just have to go through the trib.
and believe.
i have way more than enough to survive 7 years.rockon
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read the blessings and curses of a nation that turns from God Dueteronomy 28........you will go into slavery into other countries, your wives will be raped, your children slaughtered..... and be lucky to have a piece of bread and muddy water. It's not a fun read Deut. 28
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if they can find me in 150 sq miles of forrest.
in canada.
they deserve to get me.
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The book of Obadiah is only 1 chapter but it shows what canada does on that day when americans are running there for help. Canada turns them over to the enemy. Read the chapter the names are changed but it will be the same story. Canada is easau and united states is jacob:
Obadiah 1: This is only part of the chapter
Obadiah 1

King James Version (KJV)

1 The vision of Obadiah. Thus saith the Lord God concerning Edom; We have heard a rumour from the Lord, and an ambassador is sent among the heathen, Arise ye, and let us rise up against her in battle.

2 Behold, I have made thee small among the heathen: thou art greatly despised.

3 The pride of thine heart hath deceived thee, thou that dwellest in the clefts of the rock, whose habitation is high; that saith in his heart, Who shall bring me down to the ground?

4 Though thou exalt thyself as the eagle(American symbol), and though thou set thy nest among the stars(North of America), thence will I bring thee down, saith the Lord.

5 If thieves came to thee, if robbers by night, (how art thou cut off!) would they not have stolen till they had enough? if the grapegatherers came to thee, would they not leave some grapes?(they would if their brother hadn't protected them)

6 How are the things of Esau searched out! how are his hidden things sought up!

7 All the men of thy confederacy have brought thee even to the border: the men that were at peace with thee have deceived thee, and prevailed against thee; they that eat thy bread have laid a wound under thee: there is none understanding in him.

8 Shall I not in that day, saith the Lord, even destroy the wise men out of Edom, and understanding out of the mount of Esau?

9 And thy mighty men, O Teman, shall be dismayed, to the end that every one of the mount of Esau may be cut off by slaughter.

10 For thy violence against thy brother Jacob(united states) shame shall cover thee, and thou shalt be cut off for ever.

11 In the day that thou stoodest on the other side, in the day that the strangers carried away captive his forces, and foreigners entered into his gates, and cast lots upon Jerusalem(captial washington d.c), even thou wast as one of them.

12 But thou shouldest not have looked on the day of thy brother in the day that he became a stranger; neither shouldest thou have rejoiced over the children of Judah in the day of their destruction; neither shouldest thou have spoken proudly in the day of distress.

13 Thou shouldest not have entered into the gate of my people in the day of their calamity; yea, thou shouldest not have looked on their affliction in the day of their calamity, nor have laid hands on their substance in the day of their calamity;

14 Neither shouldest thou have stood in the crossway, to cut off those of his that did escape; neither shouldest thou have delivered up those of his that did remain in the day of distress.
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There are 4 groups of people on the rapture:

Is your faith in Jesus Christ or is it in the rapture, It will be tested!

1. Pre-tribulation rapture
2. Mid-tribulation rapture
3. Post-tribulation rapture
4. No tribulation rapture


How long is tribulation?
The end of the age of grace is the beginning of the 70th week of daniel, or 7 year tribulation.


I think we all know that in the bible a day can equal a year or a day can equal a thousand years. In this next verse we see in the book of revelation the devil will throw some of you into prison that you may be tested 10 days. We will all be tested but some for only 42 months. Did you see it said "some of you will be tested 10 days(years), not all only some. Wouldn't that be nice if it was only 10 days..It is 10 years, 42 months before the 7 year tribulation for a total of 10 and a half year tribulation not 11 years but 10 and a half years
But look in Revelation 2:10 it says we have 10 days(years) of tribulation
Remember the church will be here until the beginning of the 7 year tribulation because the end of "the age of grace" doesn't come until the beginning of the last 7 years. Then those who remained faithful through the 42 months prior to the 7 will be in the rapture

Revelation 2:10

10 Do not fear any of those things which you are about to suffer. Indeed, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and you will have tribulation ten days(years). Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.

There are 7 churches in Revelation, but we know there is only one church of God so these 7 churches are different levels of where people are in relationship to Jesus Christ.

God sends a strong delusion that if it were possible it would fool even the elect:
Watch!
1. We know the man of sin comes at the beginning of the 7 year tribulation. He makes a covenant with many for 1 week(7 years)
2 There was a great falling away first, why because 42 months of tribualation prior to the 7 year tribulation comes and there is no rapture, people lose faith in God.
3. The great delusion is there is a 42 month period prior to the 7 year tribulation to see who is faithful and who is only faithful to a rapture card.
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1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Revelation 3:10 KJV

In the above verse, Pre-tribbers claim that Jesus will rapture the church before the tribulation. They claim the "hour of temptation" refers to the tribulation and "I will also keep them from" refers to Jesus' removal of the church from the earth. When translators have written "I will also keep the from the hour...," pre-tribbers claim "kept from" should have been translated "kept out of."

Before we examine this part of scripture, we must examine the first part of Jesus' message to the Philadelphian church.

"And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write: These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, no man openeth;

"I know thy works, behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.

"Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know I loved thee.

"Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep the from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth." (the hour of temptation is the 7 year tribulation, how did you keep the word of His patience, you endured the 42 months prior to the 7 year tribulation that the preachers aren't telling you about) Don't worry little flock God won't let a single tribulation come to you.WRONG!

Jesus said These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

People don't be deceived we are all gonna go through the 42 months of tribulation prior to the 7 and that 42 months is the destruction of the united states and being carried captive into other countries, be faithful to Jesus through that and you will see a rapture.
Revelation 2:10

Revelation 2:10

King James Version (KJV)

10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.


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Dear Waterman,

If you believe there is someone coming to set men free and His name is not Jesus Christ THE BRANCH....Do not follow this person he is not of God but Satan!
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One last thing then I'll leave ya be....where do you see Jesus Christ ever claim to be "The Branch"(Jesus is the vine we are the branches.
John 15:5:I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
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Jesus is the Branch from Jesse thru David! It's about the Davidic line - IT'S ALL ABOUT JESUS - NO ONE ELSE!!!!!!

Waterman, you're treading in dangerous waters!
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Dear Waterman,

If you believe there is someone coming to set men free and His name is not Jesus Christ THE BRANCH....Do not follow this person he is not of God but Satan!
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One last thing then I'll leave ya be....where do you see Jesus Christ ever claim to be "The Branch"(Jesus is the vine we are the branches.
John 15:5:I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
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Jesus is the Branch from Jesse thru David! It's about the Davidic line - IT'S ALL ABOUT JESUS - NO ONE ELSE!!!!!!

Waterman, you're treading in dangerous waters!
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show me where Jesus says "He is the branch"
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