Can someone explain why the Christians adhere to the O/T, when the O/T is a rip off of the Sumerian texts?

Shut up and believe as the church tells you.

That about sums it up.

Proof, please? Academic, scholarly proof, not propaganda web sites.

The Sumerian texts predate the O/T texts by several thousand years. The idea of "jesus" and the stories involved are shared from older greek and roman, etc. mythology. Do your own research, I have...

Yea, do you know anything about archeology in that region? How about the Epic of Gilgamesh? Or the fact that the semetic peoples LIVED IN SUMER region before being kicked out, which means they BORROWED Sumer oral and written tradition...

That's a statement made w/out support. Your research is faulty.

(I didn't think you'd be able to give me a single citation of proof.)

Or perhaps some of the stories story simply confirm what is in the OT. Just known history retold at a later date.

As for Jesus, read The Case For Christ by Lee Strobel, you won't doubt again.

^^THIS^^ is a very good book. I believe the e-book is a free download.

Link to PDF sourcebook for Zeitgeist claims regarding the origins of Christianity:

[link to www.stellarhousepublishing.com]

Have you read this one?

[link to www.amazon.com]

You need to have an open mind about this and research all the fact. A stone relic does not date the text. While it is true the stone tablets are older than the oldest known Bible manuscripts (DSS) this does not date the origins of the Bible text itself. Theories about the origins of Genesis say it was written by firsthand witness accounts including Jacob, Noah and Adam. The first chapter of Genesis could only come from God since only he could know those events.

[link to www.trueorigin.org]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

The region of Sumer is in the Land of Kish founded by Noah's son Cush.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Why do so many cling to myths about Sumeria when we have the Bible confirmed repeatedly? Did they hear the false histories on TV?



No stories parallel Jesus. Jesus is recorded historic fact.

Bunch of discredited Freemasons with no interest in the truth or scholarly support.

[link to archive.org]

Zeitgeist has been thoroughly proved inaccurate and new age propaganda.

You fail OP. You won't site any credible sources for your claims.

You can say whatever you want, but without proven, and tested citations....well, your just a dipshit crying from a roof top.

By-bye

The claims have no sources and have been debunked many times over. Anyone can write a book saying anything.

Horus and other claims of parallelism

[link to www.kingdavid8.com]

It's 'proved innaccurate' because some guy made a YouTube video titled 'debunked', right?

There's a 100 page PDF citing numerous sources to back up the claims put forth in that video presentation. Please let me know which sources/footnotes are invalid based on your research/understanding.

How do you know the mainstream & accepted understanding of the religion isn't the 'propoganda'?

Because the people in power always extend the 'truth' to the masses, correct?

OK. Prove the Bible is all ORIGINAL works inspired by God.

Thanks for letting us know you haven't read the book nor analyzed the sources that are cited.

Exactly ,plus you dont want to confuse them with facts..
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful." - Seneca the Younger

In fairness to the poster, I went to the link, downloaded the PDF and read through the bibliography. Sadly, other than a very few classic texts, most of the citations were to web pages or self-published works.

That may qualify as "research" for some, but not for me.

Please compare to "The New Testament and the People of God"

[link to www.amazon.com]

Hover over the cover image, and click on Index. In there you will find a real bibliography. (You may have to scroll back before the scripture citation index.)

Last Edited by Life and Love on 11/21/2012 03:37 PM

that is one of the reason why i dont believe

The Sumerian texts are nothing but a nephilim created monkey hybrid races explanation of Genesis 6.

OP, you're arguing with people that believe such bullshit as:

1. A guy was eaten by a whale and didn't die.

2. Another guy built a boat and put 2 of every animal in it--including microbes, but not dinosaurs--and survived a flood that covered the entire planet!

3. The earth was created in 6 days and is only 6,000 years old.

4. Man was created from some dirt and women from a rib bone.

5. There's a red guy with horns afoot creating mischief.

6. At the center of the earth you will find a magical place full of fire and stuff.

7. Somewhere in the sky there is another magical place where there is gold and lots of singing and stuff.

I could go on. This bullshit dillusion-fest is fucking ridiculous. I long gave up on Christards.

It predates Genesis you stupid retard!

Yeah sure they are , thats why the clay tablets not papyrus texts also contain Sumerian laws,daily records,contracts etc. Cause it was all written by your Nephilim to bullshit humanity for the rest of history right? but wait, the bullshitting for the rest of history sounds exactly what the sacred books of the monotheistic religions were intended to do. Written and edited by men to control men.. Your "bible" is nothing but a bastardized mash-up of the Enuma Elish and The Epic of Gilgamesh. Any truly omnipotent almighty creator wouldn't need to leave a book behind so his creations would know how to act decent.But according to you he did and that implies before hand he knew you would be a retard and need an instruction manual on how to not be a dipshit .Evidently in your case it didnt work..

Let's say your belief is right there (which it is not ) the Bible goes on to say the Messiah would come AND gives the exact year he would arrive.(Daniel 9:24-26). Also, from the OT book of Daniel are the empires that would rule the earth from the time of Babylon until Rome, written 650 BC (confirmed in DSS), before Rome ever existed. The Roman Church is then found in Revelation before it ever existed.



Sumeria is located in the Land of Kish (Kush or Cush) founded by son of Noah's son Ham after the global flood.

"Kish was occupied beginning in the Jemdet Nasr period (3100 BC), gaining prominence as one of the pre-eminent powers in the region during the early dynastic period.

The Sumerian king list states that it was the first city to have kings following the deluge, beginning with Jushur."
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

"Cush, son of Ham. The Empire of Kush to the south of Egypt is known from at least 1970 BC, but this name has also been associated by some with the Kassites who inhabited the Zagros area of Mesopotamia, the Sumerian city of Kish in the Land of Kish."
[link to en.wikipedia.org]


The fact is nothing confirms the Sumer tablets. They are a fictional pagan account of the true biblical record compiled by Moses from tablets or some record handed down from the very time of Adam.(Wiseman Theory)
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Most who quote this Sumer tablet nonsense have no original sources and jumble up translations with Sitchin's fringe interpretation. They have no original source documents for the proper translation and do not even know what it says.
[link to creation.com]

The same critics use to also claim Babylon never existed: the only record of the empire was in the Bible; Then it was unearthed in Iraq.
[link to amazingdiscoveries.org]


Claim:
The Sumer tablets are the oldest text.

Reply:
Understand how TEXT dating is done: the physical dating of an archaeological relic does not date the original TEXT, which is dated by events and characters in the text then confirmed with the sciences.

"The oldest known tablets written in stone" means little as original biblical texts were copied to parchment repeatedly and the originals destroyed as they were used to the point of being worn out and useless. But by this time there were thousands of copies so originals were unimportant.

Older manuscript/tablet has no more credibility over the majority text in agreement: Majority coming from different parts of the world, all in agreement. This is what is found with the Textus Receptus Greek New Testament and Hebrew Masoretic Old Testament, King James Version manuscripts. Oldest known does not mean more credible or reliable in textual criticism, just means the originals were destroyed, lost or possibly being kept from us.

The pagan Sumer tablets do not tell of real events, while the books of the Bible are confirmed repeatedly with HISTORY and SCIENCE.

Genesis tells histories long before Babylon and the flood, compiled by Moses including many prophecies precluding anything but divinely inspired Word of GOD!




Moses compiled Genesis from ten firsthand witnesses

TOLEDOTH THEORY

In recent years a much better insight into the origin of Genesis has emerged. As ancient Near Eastern libraries have been unearthed and their contents deciphered, many insights into biblical times have been gained. In particular, tablets from before the time of Moses in the area of Mesopotamia (where Abraham hailed from) were noted to frequently contain a colophon – a formula of sorts, at the close of the tablet. This is similar to modern customs of ending a letter with a formula like "Sincerely yours,(Name)".

Often these tablets were family records or king-lists giving the ancestry of a person. The Hebrew term for generations is toledoth. These tablets would contain a colophon describing who had written the tablet or whose history it recorded. Scholars recognized that these colophons were similar in structure to toledoth phrases in Genesis:

1) "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created." (Genesis 2:4)

2) "This is the book of the generations of Adam." (Genesis 5:1)

3) "These are the generations of Noah." (Genesis 6:9)

4) "Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth." (Genesis 10:1)

5) "These are the generations of Shem." (Genesis 11:10)

6) "Now these are the generations of Terah." (Genesis 11:27)

7) "And these are the generations of Isaac, Abraham's son." (Genesis 25:19)

8) "This is the account of Abraham's son Ishmael." (Genesis 25:12)

9) "This is the account of Esau (that is, Edom)." (Genesis 36:1)

10) "These are the generations of Jacob." (Genesis 37:2)

The implication of these colophons in Genesis is that they separate Genesis into distinct source documents each dating from the period of the person named in them. These source documents were handed down from father to son until the time of Moses, when they were edited together to form the book of Genesis under divine inspiration. In almost every case the logical author for each document would be the person named in the colophon itself. The statements immediately following each colophon would be the beginning of the next tablet; for example, Genesis 2:4 reads "When the LORD God made the earth and the heavens…" beginning Adam’s story.
[link to www.rae.org]
[link to www.trueorigin.org]
[link to www.dtl.org]
[link to www.specialtyinterests.net]
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

[link to www.youtube.com]

Ever hear of carbon dating? and considering that the tablets were wet clay when the texts were recorded,that does make them the oldest physical record of text. Oh and btw, Wikipedia does not count as a credible source...

I always get tired of hearing this but unless you see [citation needed], Wikipedia links to sources...

Because christians are easily brainwashed into believing anything.

Take a look at the contradictions in the Bible for instance, or the fact that their leaders are mostly pedophiles and rapists.

Christians are inherently IGNORANT - as evidenced by the fact that they won't read other views of history.