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The Logical Fallacy of Promiscuity

 
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The Logical Fallacy of Promiscuity
There's a lot of sex in the world today. Apparently people (even Christians) think the old idea of waiting until marriage is antiquated and quaint, but there's a logical fallacy that perplexes me about this line of reasoning.

No form of birth control is 100% effective (except for surgery, which is another potential mess). That means there's always a chance that sex is going to result in a pregnancy, which is a very large responsibility that could last for the next 18 years.

Given the potentially serious consequences of taking the risk of having sex, why is the common advice now to simply "wait until you're ready" or "wait until you're in love"? Being emotionally ready for a physical encounter is not the same as being ready to take on the responsibility of raising a child.

I'm not promoting any religious beliefs here. I'm just questioning people's common sense.
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Wait. We have common sense? Why the hell weren't we told this by the MSM?!

Thread fail - bogus assumption.
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Wait. We have common sense? Why the hell weren't we told this by the MSM?!

Thread fail - bogus assumption.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24028110


Wait. I can't be the only human being who thinks about the consequences of my actions. I thought everyone was like this.
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Wait. We have common sense? Why the hell weren't we told this by the MSM?!

Thread fail - bogus assumption.
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The thread is intact actually. I think you simply answered the question: Common sense is a myth. That's why people have sex like animals.
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Wait. We have common sense? Why the hell weren't we told this by the MSM?!

Thread fail - bogus assumption.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24028110


The thread is intact actually. I think you simply answered the question: Common sense is a myth. That's why people have sex like animals.
 Quoting: superskeptic


Can you define "sex like animals?" I'm curious...
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Wait. We have common sense? Why the hell weren't we told this by the MSM?!

Thread fail - bogus assumption.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24028110


The thread is intact actually. I think you simply answered the question: Common sense is a myth. That's why people have sex like animals.
 Quoting: superskeptic


Can you define "sex like animals?" I'm curious...
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I read somewhere that animals simply try to penetrate any hole they can find because it feels good.
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Sex is for perverts.
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Wait. We have common sense? Why the hell weren't we told this by the MSM?!

Thread fail - bogus assumption.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24028110


The thread is intact actually. I think you simply answered the question: Common sense is a myth. That's why people have sex like animals.
 Quoting: superskeptic


Can you define "sex like animals?" I'm curious...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24028110


I read somewhere that animals simply try to penetrate any hole they can find because it feels good.
 Quoting: superskeptic


Hmm. +1 for OP, I guess I am having sex like an animal.

Carry on.
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ever been to iceland?

no one really knows or cares who dad is.

suppose it's to cold to worry about minor details
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ever been to iceland?

no one really knows or cares who dad is.

suppose it's to cold to worry about minor details
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So, the men use and seduce the women, run off, and then the women are left to take care of the babies? That could explain things. The people making the decisions aren't the same people who take the risk.

I'm still wondering what the loose women are thinking.
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Wait. We have common sense? Why the hell weren't we told this by the MSM?!

Thread fail - bogus assumption.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24028110


Wait. I can't be the only human being who thinks about the consequences of my actions. I thought everyone was like this.
 Quoting: superskeptic


OP start by taking a Myers Briggs or Jungian personality test. You will find out you are INTP, INTJ, or similar type. Most people are not and are instead ruled by emotions, feelings, social acceptance or other such crap. You will never rationalize them over to use common sense.
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Wait. We have common sense? Why the hell weren't we told this by the MSM?!

Thread fail - bogus assumption.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24028110


Wait. I can't be the only human being who thinks about the consequences of my actions. I thought everyone was like this.
 Quoting: superskeptic


OP start by taking a Myers Briggs or Jungian personality test. You will find out you are INTP, INTJ, or similar type. Most people are not and are instead ruled by emotions, feelings, social acceptance or other such crap. You will never rationalize them over to use common sense.
 Quoting: ADEND


I think I took one of those in high school, and "INTJ" sounds familiar.

But people seem at least partially rational. I mean, that's why there are condom commercials on my TV everyday (swimming in a sea of male-genital-enlargement commercials).
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Wait. We have common sense? Why the hell weren't we told this by the MSM?!

Thread fail - bogus assumption.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24028110


The thread is intact actually. I think you simply answered the question: Common sense is a myth. That's why people have sex like animals.
 Quoting: superskeptic


yes

And expect Father Obama to make us all pay for their nightly neuterings.

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Wait. We have common sense? Why the hell weren't we told this by the MSM?!

Thread fail - bogus assumption.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24028110


Wait. I can't be the only human being who thinks about the consequences of my actions. I thought everyone was like this.
 Quoting: superskeptic


OP start by taking a Myers Briggs or Jungian personality test. You will find out you are INTP, INTJ, or similar type. Most people are not and are instead ruled by emotions, feelings, social acceptance or other such crap. You will never rationalize them over to use common sense.
 Quoting: ADEND


Society worries me a little. If you take away religion, and you take away logic, then there's nothing to prevent people from going completely haywire.
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Wait. We have common sense? Why the hell weren't we told this by the MSM?!

Thread fail - bogus assumption.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24028110


Wait. I can't be the only human being who thinks about the consequences of my actions. I thought everyone was like this.
 Quoting: superskeptic


OP start by taking a Myers Briggs or Jungian personality test. You will find out you are INTP, INTJ, or similar type. Most people are not and are instead ruled by emotions, feelings, social acceptance or other such crap. You will never rationalize them over to use common sense.
 Quoting: ADEND


Ain't that the sad fuckin' truth.
4 more years!
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Wait. We have common sense? Why the hell weren't we told this by the MSM?!

Thread fail - bogus assumption.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24028110


Wait. I can't be the only human being who thinks about the consequences of my actions. I thought everyone was like this.
 Quoting: superskeptic


OP start by taking a Myers Briggs or Jungian personality test. You will find out you are INTP, INTJ, or similar type. Most people are not and are instead ruled by emotions, feelings, social acceptance or other such crap. You will never rationalize them over to use common sense.
 Quoting: ADEND


I think I took one of those in high school, and "INTJ" sounds familiar.

But people seem at least partially rational. I mean, that's why there are condom commercials on my TV everyday (swimming in a sea of male-genital-enlargement commercials).
 Quoting: superskeptic


Oh yes, they seem that way because they are trying to fit in, feel better about themselves, look normal, etc.... It has nothing to do with acting rational or using common sense as you and I understand it.
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Society worries me a little. If you take away religion, and you take away logic, then there's nothing to prevent people from going completely haywire.
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A little? Dude, the closer attention you pay, the further and faster you'll move outta town.

When the pacification mechanisms cease (EBT food, free housing, electricity and entertainment), the population (D) is going to go ape-shit manic.
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Re: The Logical Fallacy of Promiscuity
There's a lot of sex in the world today. Apparently people (even Christians) think the old idea of waiting until marriage is antiquated and quaint, but there's a logical fallacy that perplexes me about this line of reasoning.

No form of birth control is 100% effective (except for surgery, which is another potential mess). That means there's always a chance that sex is going to result in a pregnancy, which is a very large responsibility that could last for the next 18 years.

Given the potentially serious consequences of taking the risk of having sex, why is the common advice now to simply "wait until you're ready" or "wait until you're in love"? Being emotionally ready for a physical encounter is not the same as being ready to take on the responsibility of raising a child.

I'm not promoting any religious beliefs here. I'm just questioning people's common sense.
 Quoting: superskeptic


My bio dad ran off just before I popped out from under the hooded clitoris.

I have been mad at this strange sperm donor many times, but in the long run, I made it to Thirty, and no matter what, I do realize that without his anonymous spurt I wouldn't be here at all. So...
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if "common sense" was as common as the phrase would lead you to believe, car insurance would be a lot cheaper
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I never buy a car without a test drive and I don't plan on having it for the rest of my life.
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Pre-marital sex is blasphemy of a sort.

All sex is marriage.

So then many people have hundreds of wives or husbands, and don't even stay with them longer than a few months to hours sometimes.

It's blasphemy in that sense!

either that, or lying is honesty.
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I never buy a car without a test drive and I don't plan on having it for the rest of my life.
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That's because of pre-marital sex.

Or outdated methodology.
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Deuteronomy 24
When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house. And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife.
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Pre-marital sex is blasphemy of a sort.

All sex is marriage.

So then many people have hundreds of wives or husbands, and don't even stay with them longer than a few months to hours sometimes.

It's blasphemy in that sense!

either that, or lying is honesty.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25601325



I've always thought men should take care of women and care about their feelings, which implies not simply using them for pleasure and then discarding them. At least that's what my instincts have always told me, but I've always been kind of sensitive.
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Deuteronomy 24
When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house. And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife.
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So, what exactly does "uncleanness" mean? I'm afraid some cold-hearted men might interpret it to simply mean "I got bored with her".
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Pretty much.

Here is the definition according to dictionary.com

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3. Chiefly Biblical . having a physical or moral blemish so as to make impure according to the laws, especially the dietary or ceremonial laws: an unclean animal; unclean persons.

So if they didn't like they way they thought, did, or looked they could legitimately diviorce and find another. Kinda just like today.
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When in doubt look to nature. Biology says humans should be having about as much sex as Bonobo monkeys. Which is a lot.

These "ideas" and over-thinking people who think sex is anything other than what nature intended; to be fun. And if society makes people who can have kids unable to care for them, then that's society's fault. Not nature's.

Humans are social animals and should live in groups. Not in ones and twos. Then any children had by fertile females would be cared for by the group. Not because "in this economy it's not feasable to have children". Ugh! The human species relies on every female having art least two children to replace the two it took to make them. Otherwise you are in populatuion decline.

It's also smart, and like nature, to have children by many different males. Thus ensuring the best DNA make it. Not just one genetically deficient male spreading his genes.

Promiscuity is the norm. Withholding sex is weird.
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When in doubt look to nature. Biology says humans should be having about as much sex as Bonobo monkeys. Which is a lot.

These "ideas" and over-thinking people who think sex is anything other than what nature intended; to be fun. And if society makes people who can have kids unable to care for them, then that's society's fault. Not nature's.

Humans are social animals and should live in groups. Not in ones and twos. Then any children had by fertile females would be cared for by the group. Not because "in this economy it's not feasable to have children". Ugh! The human species relies on every female having art least two children to replace the two it took to make them. Otherwise you are in populatuion decline.

It's also smart, and like nature, to have children by many different males. Thus ensuring the best DNA make it. Not just one genetically deficient male spreading his genes.

Promiscuity is the norm. Withholding sex is weird.
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And the LORD spake, saying, "First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin, then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it." Amen.
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There's a lot of sex in the world today. Apparently people (even Christians) think the old idea of waiting until marriage is antiquated and quaint, but there's a logical fallacy that perplexes me about this line of reasoning.

No form of birth control is 100% effective (except for surgery, which is another potential mess). That means there's always a chance that sex is going to result in a pregnancy, which is a very large responsibility that could last for the next 18 years.

Given the potentially serious consequences of taking the risk of having sex, why is the common advice now to simply "wait until you're ready" or "wait until you're in love"? Being emotionally ready for a physical encounter is not the same as being ready to take on the responsibility of raising a child.

I'm not promoting any religious beliefs here. I'm just questioning people's common sense.
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I fuck myself in a loving and responsible way and i suggest you do the same.
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When in doubt look to nature. Biology says humans should be having about as much sex as Bonobo monkeys. Which is a lot.

These "ideas" and over-thinking people who think sex is anything other than what nature intended; to be fun. And if society makes people who can have kids unable to care for them, then that's society's fault. Not nature's.

Humans are social animals and should live in groups. Not in ones and twos. Then any children had by fertile females would be cared for by the group. Not because "in this economy it's not feasable to have children". Ugh! The human species relies on every female having art least two children to replace the two it took to make them. Otherwise you are in populatuion decline.

It's also smart, and like nature, to have children by many different males. Thus ensuring the best DNA make it. Not just one genetically deficient male spreading his genes.

Promiscuity is the norm. Withholding sex is weird.
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People like you just haven't evolved much further from monkeys in this regard.
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When in doubt look to nature. Biology says humans should be having about as much sex as Bonobo monkeys. Which is a lot.

These "ideas" and over-thinking people who think sex is anything other than what nature intended; to be fun. And if society makes people who can have kids unable to care for them, then that's society's fault. Not nature's.

Humans are social animals and should live in groups. Not in ones and twos. Then any children had by fertile females would be cared for by the group. Not because "in this economy it's not feasable to have children". Ugh! The human species relies on every female having art least two children to replace the two it took to make them. Otherwise you are in populatuion decline.

It's also smart, and like nature, to have children by many different males. Thus ensuring the best DNA make it. Not just one genetically deficient male spreading his genes.

Promiscuity is the norm. Withholding sex is weird.
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 Quoting: Debauchery


Girls call each other "sluts" way more than any guy would call a girl one. Then why are females allowing their fellow females to put a number on your vagina? Lest you be ostrasized from the group of "good girls".

Next time you feel sexually oppressed, look at your female friends who would judge you for liking sex at all. Or watch the movie "What's your number?" with Anna Faris to get an idea what I'm talking about.