Is 'the Universe' a euphemism for God?

You are the originator of that energy. And there is no final way to conceive that.

IMHO

Last Edited by Sunyata on 11/21/2012 06:50 PM

That's so sweet. If only your pope believed the same.

Wrong, if we don't try we'll stagnate in a pool of ignorance.

Well, how could he?

I don't have a fucking clue, like everyone else.

It's the great Mystery!

At least, the thunderbolts blokes have put together a SCIENTIFIC (aka, FALSIFIABLE) theory, based in reality and experimentation, unlike the post-Einsteinian mathematical bullshit we have to swallow today as the tissue of horseshit that it is!

No. Trying to define what is beyond comprehension is like making crap up so you can make yourself feel better.

Long way to go still, but you'll get there! You have to let go of trying to cram everything into neat little conceptual chunks first though, because doing that is adding layers between you and the reality of it all, see

haven't left this interesting discussion about nothing, lol, just making breakfast for my daughter

brb

Agreed my friend!

You...as in your mind?

Whose talking in euphemisms?

Hugs, KK, gotta crash (it's midnight here).

You, as in the self, the self of the universe. Playing all parts, everywhere. All that you see is you, but that seems strange at first doesn't it? Human nature these days feel isolated and foreign in this world, the self.

And forget parts, or no parts either. Definition will only confuse you more. Instead, sit, and watch it all happen of itself.

Last Edited by Sunyata on 11/21/2012 07:05 PM

Humans may be a fractal reflection of the whole but that doesn't mean they ARE the whole.

What else might you be then?

Sweet dreams, you have a good solid mind

Well, you see, maybe I'm unique, I can do both,

think AND be.

We're merely tiny conscious fragments in this infinite universe we have no way of understanding as a whole.

It's perspective. We receive information that we've chosen. There is no true objective "everything". There is only what you personally perceive. To assume otherwise is to buy into illusion of your own making. Trust is just a nice way of convincing you to lie to yourself.

You are still separating yourself from it all. You are aware of this wave, this consciousness at this point in existence. But you are the existence, just as a wave is something the whole ocean is doing, you are something that the whole universe is doing here and now. You are the universe here and now experiencing itself.

Yeah, whatever, that doesn't take away the fact that implying humans are "the all" is unsubstantiated and pretty much illogical in every sense. Let go of fanciful preconceptions, the only thing we know for certain is that humans are conscious of a very small spectrum of what exists and even that we see in a distorted manner.

It's not a euphemism for God, it is a denial of God.
A depersonification at least.

No. We exist.

Inside "It".


Here OP, have a read on this, tell me what you think...


"This absolute, ever-expanding, instantaneous psychic gestalt, which you call God if you prefer, is so secure in its existence that it can constantly break itself down and rebuild itself.

Its energy is so unbelievable, that it does indeed form all universes; and because its energy is within and behind all universes, systems and fields, it is indeed aware of each sparrow that falls, for it is each sparrow that falls.

Now - and this will seem like a contradiction in terms - there is nonbeing. It is a state of, not of nothingness, but a state in which probabilities and possibilities are known and anticipated but blocked from expression.

Dimly, through what you would call history, hardly remembered, there was such a state. It was a state of agony in which the powers of creativity and existence were known, but the ways to produce them were not known.

This is the lesson that All That Is had to learn, and that could not be taught. This is the agony from which creativity originally was drawn, and its reflection is still seen.

Some of this discussion is bound to be distorted, because I must explain it to you in terms of time as you understand it. So I will speak for your benefit, of some indescribably distant past in which these events occurred.

All That Is retains memory of that state, and it serves as a constant impetus - in your terms - toward renewed creativity. Each self (you), as a part of All That Is therefore also retains memory of that state. It is for this reason that each minute consciousness is endowed with the impetus toward survival, change, development, and creativity. It is not enough that All That Is as a primary energy gestalt, desires further being, but each portion of It (you) also carries this determination.

Yet the agony itself was used as the means, and the agony itself served as the impetus, strong enough so that All That Is initiated within Itself the means to be.

If - and this is impossible - all portions but the most minute last 'unit' of All That Is were destroyed, All That Is would continue, for within the smallest portion is the innate knowledge of the whole. All That Is protects Itself, therefore, and all that It has and is and will create.

When I speak of All That Is, you must understand my position within It. All That Is knows no other. This does not mean that there may not be more to know. It does not know whether or not other psychic gestalts like It exist. It is not aware of them if they do exist. It is constantly searching. It knows that something else existed before Its own primary dilemma when it could not express itself.

It is conceivable then, that It has evolved, in your terms, so long ago It has forgotten Its origin, that It has developed from still another Primary which has - again, in your terms - long since gone Its way. So there are answers that I cannot give you, for they are not known anywhere in the system in which we have our existence. We do know that within this system of our All That Is, creation continues and developments are never still. "

Seth - Jane Roberts

[link to www.fromthestars.com]

The self of which you speak is where God sits, that is inside you, but He exists outside you as well.

If reality was all me, I wouldn't even be able to be conscious I'm here.

I may be formed by the same matter that forms everything but that doesn't make me everything. I am not trying to separate me, I am separated, that's the way the universal laws work. We are born with individual consciousnesses to experience life subjectively to our experience and anyone who says we are merely the consciousness of one all pervasive being experiencing existence separately through us has no basis to prove it.

Last Edited by Manu-Koelbren on 11/21/2012 07:13 PM

There is absolutely no denial of "God" in the recognition that it IS the Universe.

Where did "god" come from?

If you think the universe had to be created by someone, obviously god had to be created by someone if he should exist, because in your mind then nothing can come out of nothing, right? Your question falls on it's own logic.

What do you mean "we" know? You are only capable of knowing what YOU know. Everything else was told to you. "We" as humans are not all there is. YOU as YOU are.

Exactly why you are here and now, and there is in and out, back and front, black and white, life and death. But in between all those, there is a infinite spectrum of possibilities. In and out, is not separate. Back and front is still one. There is a pulse everywhere, you see it as vibration. Everything is vibration. This way you can be aware of being you. As you said, how else would I know that I know that I know.