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Is 'the Universe' a euphemism for God?

 
Manu-Koelbren

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Humans may be a fractal reflection of the whole but that doesn't mean they ARE the whole.
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It's perspective. We receive information that we've chosen. There is no true objective "everything". There is only what you personally perceive. To assume otherwise is to buy into illusion of your own making. Trust is just a nice way of convincing you to lie to yourself.
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


Yeah, whatever, that doesn't take away the fact that implying humans are "the all" is unsubstantiated and pretty much illogical in every sense. Let go of fanciful preconceptions, the only thing we know for certain is that humans are conscious of a very small spectrum of what exists and even that we see in a distorted manner.
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren


What do you mean "we" know? You are only capable of knowing what YOU know. Everything else was told to you. "We" as humans are not all there is. YOU as YOU are.
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


I am not trying to explain things I have no way of explaining with certainty, i am just debunking people who make unsubstantiated fanciful statements they have no way of explaining with certainty.
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It seems to me people use it who are embarrassed to be lumped in with religious folk, its like a politically correct term to describe the Creator.

The Universe is a creation, not the Creator.
 Quoting: K.Kool


The Creator is All-That-Is.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28127106


Yes. There is no separate Creator.

It is Everything. It is the only thing that really exists.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28227913


No. We exist.

Inside "It".


Here OP, have a read on this, tell me what you think...


"This absolute, ever-expanding, instantaneous psychic gestalt, which you call God if you prefer, is so secure in its existence that it can constantly break itself down and rebuild itself.

Its energy is so unbelievable, that it does indeed form all universes; and because its energy is within and behind all universes, systems and fields, it is indeed aware of each sparrow that falls, for it is each sparrow that falls.

Now - and this will seem like a contradiction in terms - there is nonbeing. It is a state of, not of nothingness, but a state in which probabilities and possibilities are known and anticipated but blocked from expression.

Dimly, through what you would call history, hardly remembered, there was such a state. It was a state of agony in which the powers of creativity and existence were known, but the ways to produce them were not known.

This is the lesson that All That Is had to learn, and that could not be taught. This is the agony from which creativity originally was drawn, and its reflection is still seen.

Some of this discussion is bound to be distorted, because I must explain it to you in terms of time as you understand it. So I will speak for your benefit, of some indescribably distant past in which these events occurred.

All That Is retains memory of that state, and it serves as a constant impetus - in your terms - toward renewed creativity. Each self (you), as a part of All That Is therefore also retains memory of that state. It is for this reason that each minute consciousness is endowed with the impetus toward survival, change, development, and creativity. It is not enough that All That Is as a primary energy gestalt, desires further being, but each portion of It (you) also carries this determination.

Yet the agony itself was used as the means, and the agony itself served as the impetus, strong enough so that All That Is initiated within Itself the means to be.

If - and this is impossible - all portions but the most minute last 'unit' of All That Is were destroyed, All That Is would continue, for within the smallest portion is the innate knowledge of the whole. All That Is protects Itself, therefore, and all that It has and is and will create.

When I speak of All That Is, you must understand my position within It. All That Is knows no other. This does not mean that there may not be more to know. It does not know whether or not other psychic gestalts like It exist. It is not aware of them if they do exist. It is constantly searching. It knows that something else existed before Its own primary dilemma when it could not express itself.

It is conceivable then, that It has evolved, in your terms, so long ago It has forgotten Its origin, that It has developed from still another Primary which has - again, in your terms - long since gone Its way. So there are answers that I cannot give you, for they are not known anywhere in the system in which we have our existence. We do know that within this system of our All That Is, creation continues and developments are never still.
"

Seth - Jane Roberts

[link to www.fromthestars.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28127106

hf
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Thanks guys, I have to get on with my day now, but if anything, I'm more convinced than ever that groping in the dark for the truth is a worthwhile pursuit

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It's perspective. We receive information that we've chosen. There is no true objective "everything". There is only what you personally perceive. To assume otherwise is to buy into illusion of your own making. Trust is just a nice way of convincing you to lie to yourself.
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


Yeah, whatever, that doesn't take away the fact that implying humans are "the all" is unsubstantiated and pretty much illogical in every sense. Let go of fanciful preconceptions, the only thing we know for certain is that humans are conscious of a very small spectrum of what exists and even that we see in a distorted manner.
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren


What do you mean "we" know? You are only capable of knowing what YOU know. Everything else was told to you. "We" as humans are not all there is. YOU as YOU are.
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


I am not trying to explain things I have no way of explaining with certainty, i am just debunking people who make unsubstantiated fanciful statements they have no way of explaining with certainty.
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren


goodevil

My favorite kind of discussion.
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My theory is this. The whole universe is like an electric current, dream, but only of your brain. Thats why you will always be guessing what the universe is. Why worship it, if its your prison? So where ever you may be, if this may be. The most important thing is Spirit. The message. the path you take. No riddles, no guessing, just for your own benefit to know how you are really feeling, where ever you are. So its a dream maybe. How did they connect us? Well we might have an ability that we have and they have used against us. One that we could realize, if we wasn't in a coma. What would it mean if you met the person who is next to you in the coma chamber but in the dream. Have we met before? Strange. Just think how a spiritual plan, or wisdom or knowing the Creator would come through to this reality whilst we sleep somewhere else? Totally distorted, kinda telepaphic but it would show the true being of our being, or a being who is beyond our captors. Prob us, def God. The same image. Its mad because you could only guess the real world, universe, all kinds of things. Is it pretty much the same? The laws of physics would be different for sure. Maybe its a trick but some will connect with their higher self. My spirit is calling from my body to me to connect with it. Why else would we be spiritual if there wasn't a purpose for it? Could be real, plus to me its gives me answers to things about everything. Its totally rad
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Yeah, whatever, that doesn't take away the fact that implying humans are "the all" is unsubstantiated and pretty much illogical in every sense. Let go of fanciful preconceptions, the only thing we know for certain is that humans are conscious of a very small spectrum of what exists and even that we see in a distorted manner.
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren


What do you mean "we" know? You are only capable of knowing what YOU know. Everything else was told to you. "We" as humans are not all there is. YOU as YOU are.
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


I am not trying to explain things I have no way of explaining with certainty, i am just debunking people who make unsubstantiated fanciful statements they have no way of explaining with certainty.
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren


goodevil

My favorite kind of discussion.
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


It's time for humanity to understand that one cannot adopt some theory of their liking and push it as if it was an absolute truth just because it sounds fancy. Enough of unsubstantiated mysticism, we need to start admitting some things we don't know yet and keep working to one day be able to explain them beyond the shadow of a doubt. I trust in our capacity so long as we drop our moronic pride.
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In the deepest darkest nights when all else has deserted you,
you will find a presence you cannot deny.
 Quoting: K.Kool


Yet I dare only the most fleeting a glance.
Light beyond bright, that's not light at all.
Drops you to your knees as there is nothing else you can bare do.
Weeks, it'll take to recover.
'til the next brave moment.
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That is truly beautiful
my friend
thankyou
K.Kool (OP)

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It's not a euphemism for God, it is a denial of God.
A depersonification at least.
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That it is, a making of God into a thing, and the self into a god.
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Making the secium vanish is still forbidden ?
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the heathens worship creation, and not the Creator...
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the heathens worship creation, and not the Creator...
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Only losers worship anything, smart people work to leave the world better than they found it, and if a benevolent God actually exists those people will be the ones best regarded by that God.
Holocaust denier white secretly urban negro.
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the heathens worship creation, and not the Creator...
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putin
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It seems to me people use it who are embarrassed to be lumped in with religious folk, its like a politically correct term to describe the Creator.

The Universe is a creation, not the Creator.
 Quoting: K.Kool


The Creator is All-That-Is.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28127106


Yes. There is no separate Creator.

It is Everything. It is the only thing that really exists.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28227913


No. We exist.

Inside "It".


Here OP, have a read on this, tell me what you think...


"This absolute, ever-expanding, instantaneous psychic gestalt, which you call God if you prefer, is so secure in its existence that it can constantly break itself down and rebuild itself.

Its energy is so unbelievable, that it does indeed form all universes; and because its energy is within and behind all universes, systems and fields, it is indeed aware of each sparrow that falls, for it is each sparrow that falls.

Now - and this will seem like a contradiction in terms - there is nonbeing. It is a state of, not of nothingness, but a state in which probabilities and possibilities are known and anticipated but blocked from expression.

Dimly, through what you would call history, hardly remembered, there was such a state. It was a state of agony in which the powers of creativity and existence were known, but the ways to produce them were not known.

This is the lesson that All That Is had to learn, and that could not be taught. This is the agony from which creativity originally was drawn, and its reflection is still seen.

Some of this discussion is bound to be distorted, because I must explain it to you in terms of time as you understand it. So I will speak for your benefit, of some indescribably distant past in which these events occurred.

All That Is retains memory of that state, and it serves as a constant impetus - in your terms - toward renewed creativity. Each self (you), as a part of All That Is therefore also retains memory of that state. It is for this reason that each minute consciousness is endowed with the impetus toward survival, change, development, and creativity. It is not enough that All That Is as a primary energy gestalt, desires further being, but each portion of It (you) also carries this determination.

Yet the agony itself was used as the means, and the agony itself served as the impetus, strong enough so that All That Is initiated within Itself the means to be.

If - and this is impossible - all portions but the most minute last 'unit' of All That Is were destroyed, All That Is would continue, for within the smallest portion is the innate knowledge of the whole. All That Is protects Itself, therefore, and all that It has and is and will create.

When I speak of All That Is, you must understand my position within It. All That Is knows no other. This does not mean that there may not be more to know. It does not know whether or not other psychic gestalts like It exist. It is not aware of them if they do exist. It is constantly searching. It knows that something else existed before Its own primary dilemma when it could not express itself.

It is conceivable then, that It has evolved, in your terms, so long ago It has forgotten Its origin, that It has developed from still another Primary which has - again, in your terms - long since gone Its way. So there are answers that I cannot give you, for they are not known anywhere in the system in which we have our existence. We do know that within this system of our All That Is, creation continues and developments are never still.
"

Seth - Jane Roberts

[link to www.fromthestars.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28127106



Sorry, this does not ring my truth bell, I think God is conscious, super-conscious in fact, even as He exists in everything and everybody.

In an effort to avoid the extremely personal implications of
acknowledging that there is a God, many believe in kinds of fairy-tales instead, with human qualities like feeling agony attached to inanimate entities.
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Making the secium vanish is still forbidden ?
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Secium? I googled it but am not any the wiser.
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The Creator is All-That-Is.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28127106


Yes. There is no separate Creator.

It is Everything. It is the only thing that really exists.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28227913


No. We exist.

Inside "It".


Here OP, have a read on this, tell me what you think...


"This absolute, ever-expanding, instantaneous psychic gestalt, which you call God if you prefer, is so secure in its existence that it can constantly break itself down and rebuild itself.

Its energy is so unbelievable, that it does indeed form all universes; and because its energy is within and behind all universes, systems and fields, it is indeed aware of each sparrow that falls, for it is each sparrow that falls.

Now - and this will seem like a contradiction in terms - there is nonbeing. It is a state of, not of nothingness, but a state in which probabilities and possibilities are known and anticipated but blocked from expression.

Dimly, through what you would call history, hardly remembered, there was such a state. It was a state of agony in which the powers of creativity and existence were known, but the ways to produce them were not known.

This is the lesson that All That Is had to learn, and that could not be taught. This is the agony from which creativity originally was drawn, and its reflection is still seen.

Some of this discussion is bound to be distorted, because I must explain it to you in terms of time as you understand it. So I will speak for your benefit, of some indescribably distant past in which these events occurred.

All That Is retains memory of that state, and it serves as a constant impetus - in your terms - toward renewed creativity. Each self (you), as a part of All That Is therefore also retains memory of that state. It is for this reason that each minute consciousness is endowed with the impetus toward survival, change, development, and creativity. It is not enough that All That Is as a primary energy gestalt, desires further being, but each portion of It (you) also carries this determination.

Yet the agony itself was used as the means, and the agony itself served as the impetus, strong enough so that All That Is initiated within Itself the means to be.

If - and this is impossible - all portions but the most minute last 'unit' of All That Is were destroyed, All That Is would continue, for within the smallest portion is the innate knowledge of the whole. All That Is protects Itself, therefore, and all that It has and is and will create.

When I speak of All That Is, you must understand my position within It. All That Is knows no other. This does not mean that there may not be more to know. It does not know whether or not other psychic gestalts like It exist. It is not aware of them if they do exist. It is constantly searching. It knows that something else existed before Its own primary dilemma when it could not express itself.

It is conceivable then, that It has evolved, in your terms, so long ago It has forgotten Its origin, that It has developed from still another Primary which has - again, in your terms - long since gone Its way. So there are answers that I cannot give you, for they are not known anywhere in the system in which we have our existence. We do know that within this system of our All That Is, creation continues and developments are never still.
"

Seth - Jane Roberts

[link to www.fromthestars.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28127106



Sorry, this does not ring my truth bell, I think God is conscious, super-conscious in fact, even as He exists in everything and everybody.

In an effort to avoid the extremely personal implications of
acknowledging that there is a God, many believe in kinds of fairy-tales instead, with human qualities like feeling agony attached to inanimate entities.
 Quoting: K.Kool


Hi, KK. I'm the guy who mentioned the Thunderbolts Project, yesterday.

God, the Supreme Being etc. is, I suspect, totally unknowable to us, each human being of which is a tiny spark of His/Her Infinite Being.

I tend to favour the Hindu idea that God split Itself up into myriad bits, for the sake of Experience, good, bad or downright ugly, in order to while away Eternity.

I'd still like to know where that Electricity comes from, though!

hf
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It seems to me people use it, who are embarrassed to be lumped in with religious folk, it's like a politically correct term to describe the Creator.

The Universe is a creation, not the Creator.
 Quoting: K.Kool



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It seems to me people use it who are embarrassed to be lumped in with religious folk, its like a politically correct term to describe the Creator.

The Universe is a creation, not the Creator.
 Quoting: K.Kool


The Universe is the Creator, in Itself.

Now we know of the tremendous electrical energy that surges through the visible Universe and powers the stars and galaxies, one might call that God.

To me, it is the Supreme Being.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28227913



To me, 'Supreme Being' is another euphemism.

So, where did this electrical energy come from?
 Quoting: K.Kool


Where did "god" come from?

If you think the universe had to be created by someone, obviously god had to be created by someone if he should exist, because in your mind then nothing can come out of nothing, right? Your question falls on it's own logic.
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God didn't come from anywhere, He always was in existence,
I know we can't fully grasp it with our intellects,
He isn't 'nothing' but very much something,
and we are made in His image,
which is not the same thing as being gods ourselves.
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the heathens worship creation, and not the Creator...
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Only losers worship anything, smart people work to leave the world better than they found it, and if a benevolent God actually exists those people will be the ones best regarded by that God.
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren



Regarded well maybe, but not close, as in a familial relationship.

Worship has acquired a distasteful tone, in this age of
human-as-god
but it is an amazing emotion that in action, lifts one out of the ordinary.
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the heathens worship creation, and not the Creator...
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Only losers worship anything, smart people work to leave the world better than they found it, and if a benevolent God actually exists those people will be the ones best regarded by that God.
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren



Regarded well maybe, but not close, as in a familial relationship.

Worship has acquired a distasteful tone, in this age of
human-as-god
but it is an amazing emotion that in action, lifts one out of the ordinary.
 Quoting: K.Kool


Familial relationship? that's the kind of thing you expect of God, and then you say that people can't grasp what God really is, well you're a living example of that. You're just projecting your own human needs onto a mental fabrication of yours.

If it makes your life any better go ahead, but don't go around preaching as if that was some sort of absolute truth, it's just your imagination making you feel a bit better about your own fragility and human emotional needs.
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Yes. There is no separate Creator.

It is Everything. It is the only thing that really exists.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28227913


No. We exist.

Inside "It".


Here OP, have a read on this, tell me what you think...


"This absolute, ever-expanding, instantaneous psychic gestalt, which you call God if you prefer, is so secure in its existence that it can constantly break itself down and rebuild itself.

Its energy is so unbelievable, that it does indeed form all universes; and because its energy is within and behind all universes, systems and fields, it is indeed aware of each sparrow that falls, for it is each sparrow that falls.

Now - and this will seem like a contradiction in terms - there is nonbeing. It is a state of, not of nothingness, but a state in which probabilities and possibilities are known and anticipated but blocked from expression.

Dimly, through what you would call history, hardly remembered, there was such a state. It was a state of agony in which the powers of creativity and existence were known, but the ways to produce them were not known.

This is the lesson that All That Is had to learn, and that could not be taught. This is the agony from which creativity originally was drawn, and its reflection is still seen.

Some of this discussion is bound to be distorted, because I must explain it to you in terms of time as you understand it. So I will speak for your benefit, of some indescribably distant past in which these events occurred.

All That Is retains memory of that state, and it serves as a constant impetus - in your terms - toward renewed creativity. Each self (you), as a part of All That Is therefore also retains memory of that state. It is for this reason that each minute consciousness is endowed with the impetus toward survival, change, development, and creativity. It is not enough that All That Is as a primary energy gestalt, desires further being, but each portion of It (you) also carries this determination.

Yet the agony itself was used as the means, and the agony itself served as the impetus, strong enough so that All That Is initiated within Itself the means to be.

If - and this is impossible - all portions but the most minute last 'unit' of All That Is were destroyed, All That Is would continue, for within the smallest portion is the innate knowledge of the whole. All That Is protects Itself, therefore, and all that It has and is and will create.

When I speak of All That Is, you must understand my position within It. All That Is knows no other. This does not mean that there may not be more to know. It does not know whether or not other psychic gestalts like It exist. It is not aware of them if they do exist. It is constantly searching. It knows that something else existed before Its own primary dilemma when it could not express itself.

It is conceivable then, that It has evolved, in your terms, so long ago It has forgotten Its origin, that It has developed from still another Primary which has - again, in your terms - long since gone Its way. So there are answers that I cannot give you, for they are not known anywhere in the system in which we have our existence. We do know that within this system of our All That Is, creation continues and developments are never still.
"

Seth - Jane Roberts

[link to www.fromthestars.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28127106



Sorry, this does not ring my truth bell, I think God is conscious, super-conscious in fact, even as He exists in everything and everybody.

In an effort to avoid the extremely personal implications of
acknowledging that there is a God, many believe in kinds of fairy-tales instead, with human qualities like feeling agony attached to inanimate entities.
 Quoting: K.Kool


Hi, KK. I'm the guy who mentioned the Thunderbolts Project, yesterday.

God, the Supreme Being etc. is, I suspect, totally unknowable to us, each human being of which is a tiny spark of His/Her Infinite Being.

I tend to favour the Hindu idea that God split Itself up into myriad bits, for the sake of Experience, good, bad or downright ugly, in order to while away Eternity.

I'd still like to know where that Electricity comes from, though!

hf
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From "Him".
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No. We exist.

Inside "It".


Here OP, have a read on this, tell me what you think...


"This absolute, ever-expanding, instantaneous psychic gestalt, which you call God if you prefer, is so secure in its existence that it can constantly break itself down and rebuild itself.

Its energy is so unbelievable, that it does indeed form all universes; and because its energy is within and behind all universes, systems and fields, it is indeed aware of each sparrow that falls, for it is each sparrow that falls.

Now - and this will seem like a contradiction in terms - there is nonbeing. It is a state of, not of nothingness, but a state in which probabilities and possibilities are known and anticipated but blocked from expression.

Dimly, through what you would call history, hardly remembered, there was such a state. It was a state of agony in which the powers of creativity and existence were known, but the ways to produce them were not known.

This is the lesson that All That Is had to learn, and that could not be taught. This is the agony from which creativity originally was drawn, and its reflection is still seen.

Some of this discussion is bound to be distorted, because I must explain it to you in terms of time as you understand it. So I will speak for your benefit, of some indescribably distant past in which these events occurred.

All That Is retains memory of that state, and it serves as a constant impetus - in your terms - toward renewed creativity. Each self (you), as a part of All That Is therefore also retains memory of that state. It is for this reason that each minute consciousness is endowed with the impetus toward survival, change, development, and creativity. It is not enough that All That Is as a primary energy gestalt, desires further being, but each portion of It (you) also carries this determination.

Yet the agony itself was used as the means, and the agony itself served as the impetus, strong enough so that All That Is initiated within Itself the means to be.

If - and this is impossible - all portions but the most minute last 'unit' of All That Is were destroyed, All That Is would continue, for within the smallest portion is the innate knowledge of the whole. All That Is protects Itself, therefore, and all that It has and is and will create.

When I speak of All That Is, you must understand my position within It. All That Is knows no other. This does not mean that there may not be more to know. It does not know whether or not other psychic gestalts like It exist. It is not aware of them if they do exist. It is constantly searching. It knows that something else existed before Its own primary dilemma when it could not express itself.

It is conceivable then, that It has evolved, in your terms, so long ago It has forgotten Its origin, that It has developed from still another Primary which has - again, in your terms - long since gone Its way. So there are answers that I cannot give you, for they are not known anywhere in the system in which we have our existence. We do know that within this system of our All That Is, creation continues and developments are never still.
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Sorry, this does not ring my truth bell, I think God is conscious, super-conscious in fact, even as He exists in everything and everybody.

In an effort to avoid the extremely personal implications of
acknowledging that there is a God, many believe in kinds of fairy-tales instead, with human qualities like feeling agony attached to inanimate entities.
 Quoting: K.Kool


Hi, KK. I'm the guy who mentioned the Thunderbolts Project, yesterday.

God, the Supreme Being etc. is, I suspect, totally unknowable to us, each human being of which is a tiny spark of His/Her Infinite Being.

I tend to favour the Hindu idea that God split Itself up into myriad bits, for the sake of Experience, good, bad or downright ugly, in order to while away Eternity.

I'd still like to know where that Electricity comes from, though!

hf
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From "Him".
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Yes, I think so too, God would have to be the originator
of that electrical impulse that makes the universe work.

'While away eternity' lol, if there really is no plan,
why is there evolution?
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It seems to me people use it, who are embarrassed to be lumped in with religious folk, it's like a politically correct term to describe the Creator.

The Universe is a creation, not the Creator.
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An energy field, eh?

That spontaneously came into being?
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the heathens worship creation, and not the Creator...
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Only losers worship anything, smart people work to leave the world better than they found it, and if a benevolent God actually exists those people will be the ones best regarded by that God.
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Regarded well maybe, but not close, as in a familial relationship.

Worship has acquired a distasteful tone, in this age of
human-as-god
but it is an amazing emotion that in action, lifts one out of the ordinary.
 Quoting: K.Kool


Familial relationship? that's the kind of thing you expect of God, and then you say that people can't grasp what God really is, well you're a living example of that. You're just projecting your own human needs onto a mental fabrication of yours.

If it makes your life any better go ahead, but don't go around preaching as if that was some sort of absolute truth, it's just your imagination making you feel a bit better about your own fragility and human emotional needs.
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Sorry if I stepped on your toes Manu, I like your posts.

I'm not saying I can grasp what God really is either, I don't think anyone can.
I have spent a lifetime communicating with Him though,
and in doing that, it is is impossible to deny His existence.
If you've never tried it, you can't know.
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Only losers worship anything, smart people work to leave the world better than they found it, and if a benevolent God actually exists those people will be the ones best regarded by that God.
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Regarded well maybe, but not close, as in a familial relationship.

Worship has acquired a distasteful tone, in this age of
human-as-god
but it is an amazing emotion that in action, lifts one out of the ordinary.
 Quoting: K.Kool


Familial relationship? that's the kind of thing you expect of God, and then you say that people can't grasp what God really is, well you're a living example of that. You're just projecting your own human needs onto a mental fabrication of yours.

If it makes your life any better go ahead, but don't go around preaching as if that was some sort of absolute truth, it's just your imagination making you feel a bit better about your own fragility and human emotional needs.
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Sorry if I stepped on your toes Manu, I like your posts.

I'm not saying I can grasp what God really is either, I don't think anyone can.
I have spent a lifetime communicating with Him though,
and in doing that, it is is impossible to deny His existence.
If you've never tried it, you can't know.
 Quoting: K.Kool


I know life's hard and people have a need to believe in something to make it through, but I am sorry, I can't tolerate wild claims for things that have no basis in provable reality.

I am sure this universe had an origin and seems thing to be structured too orderly to be random, but from there to conceive some being who you have to worship to be able to attain some familial relationship with him there's a long stretch.

I stick to what I said, if you want to worship the creator work to make creation better, all your beliefs amount to nothing if you don't
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Only losers worship anything, smart people work to leave the world better than they found it, and if a benevolent God actually exists those people will be the ones best regarded by that God.
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Regarded well maybe, but not close, as in a familial relationship.

Worship has acquired a distasteful tone, in this age of
human-as-god
but it is an amazing emotion that in action, lifts one out of the ordinary.
 Quoting: K.Kool


Familial relationship? that's the kind of thing you expect of God, and then you say that people can't grasp what God really is, well you're a living example of that. You're just projecting your own human needs onto a mental fabrication of yours.

If it makes your life any better go ahead, but don't go around preaching as if that was some sort of absolute truth, it's just your imagination making you feel a bit better about your own fragility and human emotional needs.
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren




Sorry if I stepped on your toes Manu, I like your posts.

I'm not saying I can grasp what God really is either, I don't think anyone can.
I have spent a lifetime communicating with Him though,
and in doing that, it is is impossible to deny His existence.
If you've never tried it, you can't know.
 Quoting: K.Kool


I know life's hard and people have a need to believe in something to make it through, but I am sorry, I can't tolerate wild claims for things that have no basis in provable reality.

I am sure this universe had an origin and things seem to be structured in a too orderly fashion to be random, but from there to conceive some being who you have to worship to be able to attain some familial relationship with him there's a long stretch.

I stick to what I said, if you want to worship the creator work to make creation better, all your beliefs amount to nothing if you don't

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Regarded well maybe, but not close, as in a familial relationship.

Worship has acquired a distasteful tone, in this age of
human-as-god
but it is an amazing emotion that in action, lifts one out of the ordinary.
 Quoting: K.Kool


Familial relationship? that's the kind of thing you expect of God, and then you say that people can't grasp what God really is, well you're a living example of that. You're just projecting your own human needs onto a mental fabrication of yours.

If it makes your life any better go ahead, but don't go around preaching as if that was some sort of absolute truth, it's just your imagination making you feel a bit better about your own fragility and human emotional needs.
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren




Sorry if I stepped on your toes Manu, I like your posts.

I'm not saying I can grasp what God really is either, I don't think anyone can.
I have spent a lifetime communicating with Him though,
and in doing that, it is is impossible to deny His existence.
If you've never tried it, you can't know.
 Quoting: K.Kool


I know life's hard and people have a need to believe in something to make it through, but I am sorry, I can't tolerate wild claims for things that have no basis in provable reality.

I am sure this universe had an origin and things seem to be structured in a too orderly fashion to be random, but from there to conceive some being who you have to worship to be able to attain some familial relationship with him there's a long stretch.

I stick to what I said, if you want to worship the creator work to make creation better, all your beliefs amount to nothing if you don't
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren




Well, to tell you the truth, I would find life far easier if I just went along with the masses and didn't believe in God.

But, I agree, work to make the world better,
[the planet is already perfect]
it is a natural consequence of faith.
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Familial relationship? that's the kind of thing you expect of God, and then you say that people can't grasp what God really is, well you're a living example of that. You're just projecting your own human needs onto a mental fabrication of yours.

If it makes your life any better go ahead, but don't go around preaching as if that was some sort of absolute truth, it's just your imagination making you feel a bit better about your own fragility and human emotional needs.
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren




Sorry if I stepped on your toes Manu, I like your posts.

I'm not saying I can grasp what God really is either, I don't think anyone can.
I have spent a lifetime communicating with Him though,
and in doing that, it is is impossible to deny His existence.
If you've never tried it, you can't know.
 Quoting: K.Kool


I know life's hard and people have a need to believe in something to make it through, but I am sorry, I can't tolerate wild claims for things that have no basis in provable reality.

I am sure this universe had an origin and things seem to be structured in a too orderly fashion to be random, but from there to conceive some being who you have to worship to be able to attain some familial relationship with him there's a long stretch.

I stick to what I said, if you want to worship the creator work to make creation better, all your beliefs amount to nothing if you don't
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren




Well, to tell you the truth, I would find life far easier if I just went along with the masses and didn't believe in God.

But, I agree, work to make the world better,
[the planet is already perfect]
it is a natural consequence of faith.
 Quoting: K.Kool


Faith or belief in God is not so important in the grander scheme of things, if you believe in God but you act against the universal laws your belief amounts to nothing, and if you don't believe but do your duty, surely you're amongst the most worthy regardless.

We know that belief in God doesn't automatically make people better but we know that certain people have killed millions in the name of God. Maybe this is also due to a misconception of what God really is, but IMO I am starting to think we need to put more emphasis on what is the right path for people to follow in life to make this world better and less on worshipping a flawed human conception of what God is.

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There's faith and there's morals and of the two morals are more important, but right now we have lost both and we're left with nothing(this because our morals were embedded in our faith), thus it's imperative we regain morals ASAP or civilized society will disappear.
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Sorry if I stepped on your toes Manu, I like your posts.

I'm not saying I can grasp what God really is either, I don't think anyone can.
I have spent a lifetime communicating with Him though,
and in doing that, it is is impossible to deny His existence.
If you've never tried it, you can't know.
 Quoting: K.Kool


I know life's hard and people have a need to believe in something to make it through, but I am sorry, I can't tolerate wild claims for things that have no basis in provable reality.

I am sure this universe had an origin and things seem to be structured in a too orderly fashion to be random, but from there to conceive some being who you have to worship to be able to attain some familial relationship with him there's a long stretch.

I stick to what I said, if you want to worship the creator work to make creation better, all your beliefs amount to nothing if you don't
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren




Well, to tell you the truth, I would find life far easier if I just went along with the masses and didn't believe in God.

But, I agree, work to make the world better,
[the planet is already perfect]
it is a natural consequence of faith.
 Quoting: K.Kool


Faith or belief in God is not so important in the grander scheme of things, if you believe in God but you act against the universal laws your belief amounts to nothing, and if you don't believe but do your duty, surely you're amongst the most worthy regardless.

We know that belief in God doesn't automatically make people better but we know for certain people have killed millions in the name of God. Maybe this is also due to a misconception of what God really is, but IMO I am starting to think we need to put more emphasis on what is the right path for people to follow in life to make this world better and less on worshipping a flawed human conception of what God is.
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren




Faith and belief are a bit different, faith is a dynamic process, while belief is an adopted, static position.

Not having faith or belief, and doing your duty, is worthy in the eyes of mankind, and I applaud it too, and I'm sure it pleases God, but He ultimately sees things differently, if you ignore Him, you lose the chance for eternal life, and I don't mean reincarnation.
I know it sounds harsh, but we have free will.

Yeah, right action is needed for sure, but I guess I see it as unsustainable without belief, the human heart is a capricious entity.
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and I'm sure it pleases God, but He ultimately sees things differently, if you ignore Him, you lose the chance for eternal life

This is just religtard programming for which you have no proof whatsoever besides some claim that you "feel things" that corroborate it. I will tell you the name of those things you feel, it's called wishful thinking. It's a common occurrence when someone wishes to back up some claim for which they possess no evidence.

Remember when we were kids that we used to make shit up to tell to our friends and impress them? Well guess what, that doesn't stop when we're adults.
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