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What's the Best Shotgun Ammo For Home Defense?

 
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Lol

I'll bet a sizable sum of money you do not reside in any of these states
And have been indoctrinated with liberal crap
Perhaps even a law back ground or liberal university

States with a Stand-your-ground Law

No duty to retreat, regardless of where attack takes place.

Main article: Stand-your-ground law

This section may require cleanup to meet Wikipedia's quality standards. No cleanup reason has been specified. Please help improve this section if you can. (August 2007)
Alabama
Arizona
Florida
Georgia
Indiana
Kentucky [11]
Louisiana
Michigan [12]
Montana
New Hampshire (A proposed law was vetoed in 2011, but the veto was overridden and the new law took effect November 2011.)[13][14]
Oklahoma Title 21§1290.1 et seq
Pennsylvania (Recent legislation extends Castle Doctrine to occupied vehicles and the work place, and stand-your-ground rights extended to any place the defender has a right to be with specified exceptions.)
South Carolina (Persons not "required to needlessly retreat.")
Tennessee 2007 Tenn. Pub. Acts Ch. 210 (Amends Tenn. Code. Ann. § 39-11-611)
Texas (Established for individual's habitation in 1995 by House Bill 94 and extended to vehicle or workplace effective September 1, 2007 by Senate Bill 378.[15] Senate Bill 378 also "abolishes the duty to retreat if the defendant can show he: (1) had a right to be present at the location where deadly force was used; (2) did not provoke the person against whom deadly force was used; and (3) was not engaged in criminal activity at the time deadly force was used."[16])
Utah
Washington (Homicide justifiable in the lawful defense of self or other persons present; and there is imminent danger of such design being accomplished ...or in the actual resistance of an attempt to commit a felony... or upon or in a dwelling, or other place...)


Nope

Just moved to a state that lets you defend your home ;)

I would never live in a state that didn't have stand your ground laws

Liberal states are not into that
For whatever reason they prefer only criminals to have weapons

Your the fool for choosing to participate in living in a liberal commie state
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You assume too much.

The advice is valid anywhere within the United States. This type of situation has happened in each and every single state in the Union, bar none.

That is expensive advice given out for free. What anyone here decides to do with it is up to them.

*These posts do not, directly or indirectly, constitute legal advice or any form of representation. Contact a lawyer in your home state for legal advice and/or representation.
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Babble babble

If you live in a stand your ground state and someone breaks into your home
With intent to rOb or steal ... You can shoot them dead with whatever weapon or rounds you legally own period end of story


Most northern liberal commie states and west coast states ARE NOT stand your ground states though
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28115964
Oh really ? is that so? you dont think the D.A. is gonna wonder why you just had to use a bola round or a flechette round? He is going to imply that standard shotgun ammo wasn't good enough for you and you had the "intent to kill" from the beginning rather than the "intent to stop". I dont give a fuck what state your in, use unconventional ammo and the D.A. is going to try to hang your ass out to dry..
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#4 buck
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Best answer.
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Better than slugs and 00Buck for home, but I still like the steel bb rounds I spoke of earlier.

[link to www.cheaperthandirt.com]

Remington Hypersonic 12G 3" Steel BB at 1700FPS, a box of 25 is cheap and the stopping power and spread pattern is AMAZING.
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A quote I found:

Try doing it the right way and just use BB shot. You can not 'plan' how a shot out will go so this 'selecting' rounds in any firearm is just plane silly.

It would appear the ammo manufacturers agree with me as most 'Defense Loads' are BB shot. Not rocket science, just common sense. With 30+ years of LEO experience and 15+ years of testing and research to back up these RECOMMENDATIONS (and they are recommendations as I know everyone thinks they know what is best but some of us older folks have already made the mistakes the rest of you have yet to make)
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Lol

I'll bet a sizable sum of money you do not reside in any of these states
And have been indoctrinated with liberal crap
Perhaps even a law back ground or liberal university

States with a Stand-your-ground Law

No duty to retreat, regardless of where attack takes place.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28115964
Well you just lost your ass then kid, i live in AZ and the stand your ground law does not make you immune from prosecution for murder for using exotic ammo just like i said earlier. An overzealous D.A. will make the case that your actions were pre-meditated by the fact you used exotic ammo "meant to kill" the intruder rather than "meant to stop" the intruder. Just because you can read and understand one simple law doesnt mean your a goddamn expert on legal procedure and how what you use can be turned against you even in a justified shoot. So where's my money biotch? sbus
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Lol

I'll bet a sizable sum of money you do not reside in any of these states
And have been indoctrinated with liberal crap
Perhaps even a law back ground or liberal university

States with a Stand-your-ground Law

No duty to retreat, regardless of where attack takes place.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28115964
Well you just lost your ass then kid, i live in AZ and the stand your ground law does not make you immune from prosecution for murder for using exotic ammo just like i said earlier. An overzealous D.A. will make the case that your actions were pre-meditated by the fact you used exotic ammo "meant to kill" the intruder rather than "meant to stop" the intruder. Just because you can read and understand one simple law doesnt mean your a goddamn expert on legal procedure and how what you use can be turned against you even in a justified shoot. So where's my money biotch? sbus
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Another reason I suggest the rounds I did earlier.
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Here is the kind of gun and ammo the dems want you to have....and ironically, this is only the 2nd time I have ever liked obama...he actually seemed real..the other time was when he called an entertainer an a-hole..anyway..here ya go...:)


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Shotgun Home Defense Ammunition
[link to www.firearmstactical.com]

Number 1 buck is the smallest diameter shot that reliably and consistently penetrates more than 12 inches of standard ordnance gelatin when fired at typical shotgun engagement distances. A standard 2 ¾-inch 12 gauge shotshell contains 16 pellets of #1 buck. The total combined cross sectional area of the 16 pellets is 1.13 square inches. Compared to the total combined cross sectional area of the nine pellets in a standard #00 (double-aught) buck shotshell (0.77 square inches), the # 1 buck shotshell has the capacity to produce over 30 percent more potentially effective wound trauma.

In all shotshell loads, number 1 buckshot produces more potentially effective wound trauma than either #00 or #000 buck. In addition, number 1 buck is less likely to over-penetrate and exit an attacker's body.


Now check this out too:

The lost art of "Cut Shells"
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Basically turning a shot shell into a frangible .50 cal slug.
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data mining fusion center scum out in full force tonight
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Shotgun Home Defense Ammunition
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Number 1 buck is the smallest diameter shot that reliably and consistently penetrates more than 12 inches of standard ordnance gelatin when fired at typical shotgun engagement distances. A standard 2 ¾-inch 12 gauge shotshell contains 16 pellets of #1 buck. The total combined cross sectional area of the 16 pellets is 1.13 square inches. Compared to the total combined cross sectional area of the nine pellets in a standard #00 (double-aught) buck shotshell (0.77 square inches), the # 1 buck shotshell has the capacity to produce over 30 percent more potentially effective wound trauma.

In all shotshell loads, number 1 buckshot produces more potentially effective wound trauma than either #00 or #000 buck. In addition, number 1 buck is less likely to over-penetrate and exit an attacker's body.


Now check this out too:

The lost art of "Cut Shells"
[link to www.youtube.com]
Basically turning a shot shell into a frangible .50 cal slug.
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'scuse me I meant .70 cal slug.
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Lol

I'll bet a sizable sum of money you do not reside in any of these states
And have been indoctrinated with liberal crap
Perhaps even a law back ground or liberal university

States with a Stand-your-ground Law

No duty to retreat, regardless of where attack takes place.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28115964
Well you just lost your ass then kid, i live in AZ and the stand your ground law does not make you immune from prosecution for murder for using exotic ammo just like i said earlier. An overzealous D.A. will make the case that your actions were pre-meditated by the fact you used exotic ammo "meant to kill" the intruder rather than "meant to stop" the intruder. Just because you can read and understand one simple law doesnt mean your a goddamn expert on legal procedure and how what you use can be turned against you even in a justified shoot. So where's my money biotch? sbus
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Another reason I suggest the rounds I did earlier.
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Goofy Thum
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Just buckshot...

Last thing you need is them questioning what type of ammo you used for self-defense, you can buy all sorts of things that are "legal" but if you end up in a federal case for defending yourself they WILL find new and interesting ways of charging you.




Like these below, novelty round not for defense.


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#4 buck
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Best answer.
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I agree.
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"ever seen what a buck eighty in dimes can do to a side of beef ...boy"
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Lol

I'll bet a sizable sum of money you do not reside in any of these states
And have been indoctrinated with liberal crap
Perhaps even a law back ground or liberal university

States with a Stand-your-ground Law

No duty to retreat, regardless of where attack takes place.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28115964
Well you just lost your ass then kid, i live in AZ and the stand your ground law does not make you immune from prosecution for murder for using exotic ammo just like i said earlier. An overzealous D.A. will make the case that your actions were pre-meditated by the fact you used exotic ammo "meant to kill" the intruder rather than "meant to stop" the intruder. Just because you can read and understand one simple law doesnt mean your a goddamn expert on legal procedure and how what you use can be turned against you even in a justified shoot. So where's my money biotch? sbus
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You've lost your mind if you think killing an intruder looking to rob or harm you in your home with ANY legally owned weapon and ammo will land you in jail in a stand your ground state .....your Out of your gourd
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Nope

Just moved to a state that lets you defend your home ;)

I would never live in a state that didn't have stand your ground laws

Liberal states are not into that
For whatever reason they prefer only criminals to have weapons

Your the fool for choosing to participate in living in a liberal commie state
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you're*
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Lol

I'll bet a sizable sum of money you do not reside in any of these states
And have been indoctrinated with liberal crap
Perhaps even a law back ground or liberal university

States with a Stand-your-ground Law

No duty to retreat, regardless of where attack takes place.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28115964
Well you just lost your ass then kid, i live in AZ and the stand your ground law does not make you immune from prosecution for murder for using exotic ammo just like i said earlier. An overzealous D.A. will make the case that your actions were pre-meditated by the fact you used exotic ammo "meant to kill" the intruder rather than "meant to stop" the intruder. Just because you can read and understand one simple law doesnt mean your a goddamn expert on legal procedure and how what you use can be turned against you even in a justified shoot. So where's my money biotch? sbus
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28098900


You've lost your mind if you think killing an intruder looking to rob or harm you in your home with ANY legally owned weapon and ammo will land you in jail in a stand your ground state .....your Out of your gourd
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you're
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Buckshot even with body armor will break ribs up close, the best part is if you go "crazy" with firing it wont go through walls and kill someone next to you. Even the cheaper "clay shot" will cause havoc on anyone.
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Just buckshot...

Last thing you need is them questioning what type of ammo you used for self-defense, you can buy all sorts of things that are "legal" but if you end up in a federal case for defending yourself they WILL find new and interesting ways of charging you.




Like these below, novelty round not for defense.


Flettchette
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gasp

Wow...ya, I am thinking that could get you in a bit of trouble...be cool to see what that did to a target, tho..

course, you could just go with the uncle story...

"I was out of ammo and that is the only round I had, so I used it...Pi**es me off, too cause I was saving that...it was a gift from my uncle and he died last year...it had sentimental value to me..if that SOB who broke into my house wasn't dead, already, I would shoot him again for the mental anguish I am going through ...".


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12ga DRAGONS BREATH FIREBALL ROUNDS! !! Guaranteed to roast any motha fucken thug trying to take your shit

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how many rounds you can realistically fire before your gun barrel melts?
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THIS ^^^^^
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Flechette, 00 Buck and Hexolit 32

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salt shot and put broken glass down the end of barrel..
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Nope

Just moved to a state that lets you defend your home ;)

I would never live in a state that didn't have stand your ground laws

Liberal states are not into that
For whatever reason they prefer only criminals to have weapons

Your the fool for choosing to participate in living in a liberal commie state
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28115964


You assume too much.

The advice is valid anywhere within the United States. This type of situation has happened in each and every single state in the Union, bar none.

That is expensive advice given out for free. What anyone here decides to do with it is up to them.

*These posts do not, directly or indirectly, constitute legal advice or any form of representation. Contact a lawyer in your home state for legal advice and/or representation.
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I will stand by my original post in the hopes that no one here will read and believe your legal interpretation.

Simply because you are in the right, stand your ground state or not, does NOT mean that you are immune from prosecution!

Assuming the situation was legal, there is nothing stopping a prosecutor from dragging you through the system for years. They have done it for much smaller offenses... you are talking about giving them a fresh corpse.

The incident in Florida is a perfect example, and that was a straight shooting.

Imagine if it was the exact same incident except the weapon. Lets say: an AR-15 pistol, a 100 round drum magazine, green tipped armor piercing 5.56, a "zombie" holosight, and a skull/crossbones on either side of the magwell.

DO NOT MAKE THE PROSECUTORS JOB ANY EASIER.

Sometimes, in the legal system, if you are right... you can be proven wrong.

In the end, I would put this out there:

Find out the exact make/model of shotgun and rounds the police are using (or pistol). Get that exact same setup for home defense.

The difference when the officer gets on the stand from "oh, that is exactly what we have in the squad cars" to "armor piercing 5.56?! That goes right through our SWAT team's body armor!!" is night and day.
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Birdshot so it doesn't thru the wall and hit a fam member
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12ga DRAGONS BREATH FIREBALL ROUNDS! !! Guaranteed to roast any motha fucken thug trying to take your shit

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Thats it!!!FUK YEA,LMFAO
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Watch and decide.



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#4 Buckshot.
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CANT SHOOT SILVER!
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I have been behind bars and have lived in serious gangland L.A. and can tell you all this, if this oncoming social collapse happens, it is not going to be the John Wayne, Remember the Alamo shooting match that you envision.
Most threats will come out of large city's and they will be hungry,tired and out of their depth in a scenario that involves a family defending itself.
If they hear a fire cracker go off in self defense, they will look for a softer target,period.
Your average BAD ASS is a Darwinian basket case and they will be the very first to be eliminated.
My wife is not much more than 5 feet tall but if some punk gave her a hard time, anywhere,anytime, I'm fairly confident that she would rip it's windpipe out, that is a nice thing to know, she can handle herself! she is in fact quite scary!
Do not under estimate the capabilities of women.
We have gun's and a tasty selection of ammo but if the SHTF then it is not going to be about guns and ammo, it will be about, Can you eliminate an aggressor with a flower pot or a truck or a tea spoon, your families survival will be more dependent on your gardening skills, in most cases.
But as the question is what it is , I would say,00 Buckshot.

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