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Verse 3 States the man of sin will be revealed.That means [made known.]
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Verse 3 States the man of sin will be revealed.That means [made known.]
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And?
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Sometimes it is translated "man of sin"...
other times "man of lawlessness"... because
the Bible definition of sin is transgression
of God"s Law.

Most modern "Christians" would qualify...
because they neither advocate nor obey God's Law.


The man of sin [lawlessness] - the son of perdition
[destruction] is he who replaces God with himself.
Humanists who worship the creature [man] rather
than the Creator [God.]


" Ah, sinful nation, a people loaded with guilt,
a brood of evildoers, children given to corruption!
They have forsaken the LORD; they have spurned the
Holy One of Israel and turned their backs on Him. "

Isaiah 1:4




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There is no "THE Antichrist."

The Bible says there are many "antichrists"
and they have existed from the time of Christ.



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There are many anti christs yes, but there is also one specific major ac at the end times. THAT is who people are talking about when they say THE Anti-Christ. Everyone knows there are many, but a lot of people want to deny The One.
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While deluded "Christians" wait for their twisted version
of prophecy to be fulfilled by an imaginary "THE Antichrist"...
their enemies, the many antichrists, have taken over the planet
and disinherited Christianity.


In Bible prophecy, "beast" symbolizes a nation... not a man.


The first and second beasts of Rev 13 are the USA and the
Edomite-jew state... the second beast is also called the
false prophet. The second beast [fake Israel] existence
is based upon a LIE... the lie that it is the fulfillment
of the regathering of Israel prophecy.



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Oh, the irony... the TWO nations [beasts]... Big Satan
and little satan... who think they are God's gifts to
the planet... are the two who are destroying the planet !


Another irony... most American Christians... who will
not allow God's Law to rule over them, will instead
worship the secular US constitution... thereby replacing
God's Law with man's law... worshiping the beast [the USA]...
worshiping the creature [man] rather than the Creator [God.]



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The AntiChrist is Satan, he is a supernatural being, not some man born on Earth, He will probably be arriving on a UFO, Space ship, or something, coming down from heaven and will be Very, very Amazing, he is most likely going to be Very good looking and everything he say's will make sense to most people.
He is an Angel (fallen) not a human.
When he comes, most people will be deceived by him, they will get it all ass-backwards,
The false Christ comes first, he will seem to be wonderful, a social and political rock star with a heavy spiritual opinion, look for him, expect him, he is coming,soon.
He is not a Myth or a cartoon or a fantasy.
You will first have to consider the idea that other intelligences exists outside of our little planet Earth, is that possible?
He is going to sucker you in with his bullshit and then he is going to date rape your ignorant basketball watching, NFL, Dancing with the stars, going to the mall,Kentucky fried chicken eating,half wit A-hole, tough titties.
You have 3000 years of recorded history and prophesy and you do not get it yet?
Oh well.
It is not to late to change the outcome but you will have to do your home work.
It is really , really nice to have God with you, seriously, he is awesome, but you have to talk to him, in Christs name ask him to guide you, help you understand.
This will do do more for your life than Drugs,Booze, Medication or Education and it even will defy logic.
Love is like that , I guess.
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The AntiChrist is Satan, he is a supernatural being, not some man born on Earth, He will probably be arriving on a UFO, Space ship, or something, coming down from heaven and will be Very, very Amazing, he is most likely going to be Very good looking and everything he say's will make sense to most people.
He is an Angel (fallen) not a human.
When he comes, most people will be deceived by him, they will get it all ass-backwards,
The false Christ comes first, he will seem to be wonderful, a social and political rock star with a heavy spiritual opinion, look for him, expect him, he is coming,soon.
He is not a Myth or a cartoon or a fantasy.
You will first have to consider the idea that other intelligences exists outside of our little planet Earth, is that possible?
He is going to sucker you in with his bullshit and then he is going to date rape your ignorant basketball watching, NFL, Dancing with the stars, going to the mall,Kentucky fried chicken eating,half wit A-hole, tough titties.
You have 3000 years of recorded history and prophesy and you do not get it yet?
Oh well.
It is not to late to change the outcome but you will have to do your home work.
It is really , really nice to have God with you, seriously, he is awesome, but you have to talk to him, in Christs name ask him to guide you, help you understand.
This will do do more for your life than Drugs,Booze, Medication or Education and it even will defy logic.
Love is like that , I guess.
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Deception comes
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The AntiChrist is Satan, he is a supernatural being, not some man born on Earth, He will probably be arriving on a UFO, Space ship, or something, coming down from heaven and will be Very, very Amazing, he is most likely going to be Very good looking and everything he say's will make sense to most people.
He is an Angel (fallen) not a human.
When he comes, most people will be deceived by him, they will get it all ass-backwards,
The false Christ comes first, he will seem to be wonderful, a social and political rock star with a heavy spiritual opinion, look for him, expect him, he is coming,soon.
He is not a Myth or a cartoon or a fantasy.
You will first have to consider the idea that other intelligences exists outside of our little planet Earth, is that possible?
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If I may offer some Scripture that supports this the 5th and 6th trumps cover the whole 3 1/2 year period that Satan is allowed starting with his being cast to earth in a non-graceful entrance. The day the 5th trump sounds Satan uses a key to unlock another fallen angel from the Pit. (put there during the flood) That fallen angels was a king on earth before the flood and he will be one again. Along with Revelation and the references from Daniel about the iron/clay kingdom it is pretty detailed about what will happen in those last few years. Da:11 is about those last years and the two kings represent Satan and the Beast from the Pit. The one with a daughter is Satan and the other one is the Beast and together they do everything in that chapter right down to the last verse which is a reference to the 2Thess:2 reference to the 'man of sin' as given in the KJV. Any changes in the term in other Bibles is because they needed top change things so they could get their own copywrite compared to the KJV getting the term wrong.
Connecting all the various part is possible with the exception to all the events in Da:11. (who is who as far as the listed player such as the 4 fallen angels that come out of the earth and manifest into an army of 200M horsemen and the king's daughter is the harlot in Re:17.
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There is no "THE Antichrist."

The Bible says there are many "antichrists"
and they have existed from the time of Christ.



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Career of Antichrist from Daniel 11

using Antiochus Epiphanes as his type



Antiochus was the King of Syria, the ruler of the Seleucid Kingdom that was one of the four divisions of Alexander the Great’s empire after his death. If the Antichrist is according to type, he will probably come from the same area of origin.



Daniel 11:21à



Dan. 11:21 And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.

Antichrist comes in peaceably through the use of deceit/propaganda.



Dan. 11:22 And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant.

Identifies Antichrist as the “prince of the covenant.” (The Hebrew words read as indicated above. Some words obviously go with the main Hebrew word, but it is important to see that “they” and “yea, also” are not in the Hebrew.)



Dan. 11:23 And after the league made with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people.

“After the league made with him” – Does this refer to the covenant of 7 years referenced in 9:27?

Dan. 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

Dan. 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

If so, this verse indicates that he will act in deceit re that covenant as indicated by the breaking of the covenant in 9:27. I think this is saying that he never intended to abide by the terms of the covenant; he was just moving forward his own agenda. From a small power base at the time of the covenant, he will assume a position of great power.



Dan. 11:24 He shall enter peaceably even upon the fattest places of the province; and he shall do that which his fathers have not done, nor his fathers’ fathers; he shall scatter among them the prey, and spoil, and riches: yea, and he shall forecast his devices against the strong holds, even for a time.

In the beginning he will advance his cause as a man of peace and will share the wealth he accumulates in his rise to power with those that support/follow him. He will seem to be against evil strongholds for a period of time (the first

3.5 years of the tribulation).



Dan. 11:25 And he shall stir up his power and his courage against the king of the south with a great army; and the king of the south shall be stirred up to battle with a very great and mighty army; but he shall not stand: for they shall forecast devices against him.

Eventually, with a large army he will decide to advance against the King of the South (Egypt and its allies) who will in turn respond with his own great army; but the King of the South will be defeated.



Dan. 11:26 Yea, they that feed of the portion of his meat shall destroy him, and his army shall overflow: and many shall fall down slain.

In fact, the King of the South will be sabotaged by those of his own family/allies. Many will die as his army is defeated.



Dan. 11:27 And both these kings’ hearts shall be to do mischief, and they shall speak lies at one table; but it shall not prosper: for yet the end shall be at the time appointed.

This verse makes it sound like Antichrist and the King of the South will make a public display of negotiating for peace while trying to deceive each other in the process. Their charades will mean nothing, since God’s timetable is sure and will continue on schedule.



Dan. 11:28 Then shall he return into his land with great riches; and his heart shall be against the holy covenant; and he shall do exploits, and return to his own land.

Dan. 11:29 At the time appointed he shall return, and come toward the south; but it shall not be as the former, or as the latter.

Antichrist will return home with great riches. On his way home through Israel he will cause destruction. “At the time appointed” (on God’s timetable), Antichrist will again come toward the South. This time the results will differ from the previous two times the King of the North has attacked the King of the South.



Dan. 11:30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.

This time the great Roman/western navy will intervene on behalf of Egypt and its allies. Antichrist will be very angry at his defeat, and will take out his anger on Israel. Those who give him support will be rewarded.



(7/05) This poses a question. Who is this western navy? I thought he would have the European Union/Rome under control at this time.



Dan. 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

His soldiers will wreck the temple area and prohibit the offering of the daily sacrifice. They will then place/erect the “abomination that maketh desolate.” (cf Matt 24:15 - When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand.))



Dan. 11:32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.

Antichrist will deceive many with his charismatic speech. Those who truly know God will stand firm in their faith in word and deed.



Dan. 11:33 And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.

Those who have spiritual wisdom will teach many in spite of the fact that they will face death by standing firm in their faith and sharing it.



Dan. 11:34 Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.

These soldiers of faith will receive very little help/support, and some of those who say they are supporting them will be deceiving them.



Dan. 11:35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.

The people of faith will suffer as a process of purging (making more fruitful) and spiritual cleansing (becoming more Christ-like). Still, events are happening according to God’s timetable.



Dan. 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

During this last half of the tribulation, the Antichrist will be able to act at will. He will blaspheme God. He will appear to prosper until the time of Jacob’s trouble has been completed. Again, God’s purposes will be accomplished through this entire terrible time according to God’s timetable.



Dan. 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

Antichrist will not “regard the God of his fathers.” The Hebrew more accurately reads “gods”; the article the is not in the original. (When the article accompanies the Hebrew word, it often refers to Deity.) He will not “desire” women; this sounds like he will be homosexual. He will not recognize any other god, because he will exalt himself as God.



Dan. 11:38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.

Antichrist will honor the god of forces (defense, rock, fortress, strength, strongholds). This verse indicates that this was a god his fathers didn’t know. That part is confusing since many in the past have recognized and placed their faith in military might.

Webster – Stronghold = a fortified place; a place of security.

I can’t really find support in the original language that I’m seeking, but I can’t help but make a connection here to Satan and his spiritual forces. We know that according to Revelation 13:4, the people worship the dragon, Satan, the power behind the beast/Antichrist.

Rev. 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

Maybe it is a double reference—a military power empowered by the spirits of evil.



The more I have thought about it, I think this is a reference to Satan. Men have always worshipped gods/idols, but have never openly worshipped Satan until more recent times.



Dan. 11:39 Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.

Evidently, Antichrist will be emboldened to attack those of recognized might and power and will reward those who support him with positions as rulers over designated lands. This implies a man of great power, yet still with enemies to conquer.



Dan. 11:40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.

Dan. 11:41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.

“At the time of the end” (of the 7 years?) Egypt and her allies will decide to attack the Antichrist and his armies one more time. The Antichrist will launch his offensive from air, land and sea, and will invade and conquer the countries that are in his path, including Israel. The lands of Moab, Edom, and Ammon (modern Jordan) will escape harm at this time (because of Petra?).



(7/05) Another question arises. If the narrative is chronological, I would have placed this with verse 31, referencing the abomination of desolation and the middle of the tribulation. I think I’m missing something.



Dan. 11:42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.

Dan. 11:43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.

As he increases his sphere of power, Egypt won’t escape being conquered, as well as Libya and the Ethiopians. The riches from these nations will be used for his purposes.



Dan. 11:44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.

In time, Antichrist will get news from the east and north that will trouble him. (He is the King of the North; is he suspecting an overthrow attempt? Is this a reference to the 6th bowl judgment in Revelation 16:12?--And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.)



Dan. 11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

Antichrist heads for home with great anger and destroys anyone who gets in his way. This is when he decides to make his headquarters in Jerusalem. By then, time will have run out. God’s timetable calls for his destruction at this time.

(cf Rev 19:11-20)
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The term, "THE Antichrist", is not in Daniel.

Daniel 11 refers to an evil man... the Bible
is filled with moral lessons about evil men.
Like Isaiah 13... the fall of "lucifer", the
evil but all too human king of Babylon.

"Out of the hearts of men proceed all evils."

Speaking of Babylon [which is also the symbolic
name of the end time evil empire] the true king
of Babylon forsook the city of Babylon, placing
a weak co-regent in charge. It was that co-regent
who ruled the city of Babylon when God's Anointed
King, Cyrus, conquered Babylon by a stealth suprise
attack [ie, like a thief.]


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The AntiChrist is Satan, he is a supernatural being, not some man born on Earth, He will probably be arriving on a UFO, Space ship, or something, coming down from heaven and will be Very, very Amazing, he is most likely going to be Very good looking and everything he say's will make sense to most people.
He is an Angel (fallen) not a human.
When he comes, most people will be deceived by him, they will get it all ass-backwards,
The false Christ comes first, he will seem to be wonderful, a social and political rock star with a heavy spiritual opinion, look for him, expect him, he is coming,soon.
He is not a Myth or a cartoon or a fantasy.
You will first have to consider the idea that other intelligences exists outside of our little planet Earth, is that possible?
He is going to sucker you in with his bullshit and then he is going to date rape your ignorant basketball watching, NFL, Dancing with the stars, going to the mall,Kentucky fried chicken eating,half wit A-hole, tough titties.
You have 3000 years of recorded history and prophesy and you do not get it yet?
Oh well.
It is not to late to change the outcome but you will have to do your home work.
It is really , really nice to have God with you, seriously, he is awesome, but you have to talk to him, in Christs name ask him to guide you, help you understand.
This will do do more for your life than Drugs,Booze, Medication or Education and it even will defy logic.
Love is like that , I guess.
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Actually it says he will be come up from out of a pit or abyss which is the sea!!

Revelation 17:8
“The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss and [a]go to destruction. And those who dwell on the earth, whose name has not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, will wonder when they see the beast, that he was and is not and will come."

So not only will he be released from up out of the abyss but he was here before. So it is someone who was here before on the Earth already. Probably cause Jesus died and and was raise so shall this anti-christ be. But it specifically states he will come up (from down low) out of abyss (sea, pit, dark place down low, deep grave possibly) and he was here before!!!!!!! You will wonder means you will be amazed that this person has come back so it is someone who is famous from history that a large amount of us know about when he appears!! We will be in awe!! Or how he appears will make us in awe (bible words "will wonder").

Watch these as they are very interesting as to who it may actually be that was a leader in our past!!





Also Note these verses from bible:

Thessalonians 2:9

The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders!

1 John 2:18
Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4
Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.

Revelation 13:7
Also it was allowed to make war on the saints and to conquer them. And authority was given it over every tribe and people and language and nation,(he will be given power over every nation and every tribe, in other words you will not be able to escape him) (it also refers to him/her as it) This does not mean its a nation or country it means its probably not male or female since this next bible verse tells us that it pays no attention to women. Meaning it will not be seduced by women.

Daniel 11:37
He shall pay no attention to the gods of his fathers, or to the one beloved by women. He shall not pay attention to any other god, for he shall magnify himself above all.

Revelation 13:1
And I saw a beast rising out of the sea, with ten horns and seven heads, with ten diadems on its horns and blasphemous names on its heads.

(this last one tells us that the abyss that was mentioned is the sea!)

So we know that women will have no effect on it
We know it is a thing male/female/both or neither but it is actually a thing or it

We know it will preform miracles and wonders

It will control all tribes and nations

It will claim that it is Jesus Christ/God/Son Of God

But most important thing to note is that it will sit in the new Jewish Temple and claim to be God!!! The new Jewish Temple has not been built yet. Due to the location being exactly where the Dome of the Rock is!!! The bible also says that the new temple will be where the Dome of Rock is in that location. Which means somehow the Dome of Rock gets destroyed or taken down. That is why what is going on over in Israel right now is HUGE!!

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“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.” Marcus Tullius Cicero

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Career of Antichrist from Daniel 11

using Antiochus Epiphanes as his type

Antiochus was the King of Syria, the ruler of the Seleucid Kingdom that was one of the four divisions of Alexander the Great’s empire after his death. If the Antichrist is according to type, he will probably come from the same area of origin.

Daniel 11:21à

Dan. 11:21 And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.
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Before diving into the bulk of the post why do you not start back when the iron/clay take over from the brass?

Da:11:2:
And now will I shew thee the truth.
Behold,
there shall stand up yet three kings in Persia;
and the fourth shall be far richer than they all:
and by his strength through his riches he shall stir up all against the realm of Grecia.
Da:11:3:
And a mighty king shall stand up,
that shall rule with great dominion,
and do according to his will.

This is going to hurt but Rome was part of the brass and who you are promoting is part of the bolded line in the verse below, that is how unimportant he was.

Da:9:25:
Know therefore and understand,
that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks,
and threescore and two weeks:
the street shall be built again,
and the wall,
even in troublous times.

When the last king stands up that is the verses about the 5th trump start to unfold, from that point to their destruction is 3 1/2 years. The destruction starts (equal to the day the 7th trump sounds)in the last verse of Da:11.

Da:11:45:
And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain;
yet he shall come to his end,
and none shall help him.
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Actually it says he will be come up from out of a pit or abyss that is low in the earth!!

Revelation 17:8
“The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss and [a]go to destruction. And those who dwell on the earth, whose name has not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, will wonder when they see the beast, that he was and is not and will come."
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The Beast is who Satan (falling star)releases in Re:9, that is who the king is.

Re:9:11:
And they had a king over them,
which is the angel of the bottomless pit,
whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon,
but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
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Daniel's 70 weeks... divided into 62, 7 and 1 is interesting.


70 = the number of years God decreed for Israel's Babylonian captivity.

62 is the age of Darius the Mede [ie, God's Anointed King, Cyrus] when he conquered Babylon.

That means God's Anointed, Cyrus, was born about 7/8 years into Israel's captivity.



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The term, "THE Antichrist", is not in Daniel.

Daniel 11 refers to an evil man... the Bible
is filled with moral lessons about evil men.
Like Isaiah 13... the fall of "lucifer", the
evil but all too human king of Babylon.

"Out of the hearts of men proceed all evils."

Speaking of Babylon [which is also the symbolic
name of the end time evil empire] the true king
of Babylon forsook the city of Babylon, placing
a weak co-regent in charge. It was that co-regent
who ruled the city of Babylon when God's Anointed
King, Cyrus, conquered Babylon by a stealth suprise
attack [ie, like a thief.]


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The ruler when the silver came along was Neb's son.
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Actually it says he will be come up from out of a pit or abyss that is low in the earth!!

Revelation 17:8
“The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss and [a]go to destruction. And those who dwell on the earth, whose name has not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, will wonder when they see the beast, that he was and is not and will come."
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The Beast is who Satan (falling star)releases in Re:9, that is who the king is.

Re:9:11:
And they had a king over them,
which is the angel of the bottomless pit,
whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon,
but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
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King Nimrod went by many names 2 of those names was Abaddon and Apollyon!!!!!!! I believe it will be Nimrod also the bible mentions a mortal head wound, of all the past kings Nimrod was specific to receiving a head wound death. Another thing to note is this!!! Nimrods grave was supposedly recently discovered in Iraq. Recently when we were first going into Iraq, just before we (United States) went in it was discovered or something along those lines. The first place we went was the museum Iraq supposedly had stuff from Nimrods grave!! That is scary
“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.” Marcus Tullius Cicero

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Obama is a similitude to ancient Babylon's weak co-regent.

No, that doesn't mean Obama is "The Antichrist."

As I have already posted... there is no "The" Antichrist.

The current evil jew/nwo as a similitude to the 70 years
of Babylonian captivity... which ends in the spring 2015
[unless God cuts the time short.]



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The AntiChrist is Satan, he is a supernatural being, not some man born on Earth, He will probably be arriving on a UFO, Space ship, or something, coming down from heaven and will be Very, very Amazing, he is most likely going to be Very good looking and everything he say's will make sense to most people.
He is an Angel (fallen) not a human.
When he comes, most people will be deceived by him, they will get it all ass-backwards,
The false Christ comes first, he will seem to be wonderful, a social and political rock star with a heavy spiritual opinion, look for him, expect him, he is coming,soon.
He is not a Myth or a cartoon or a fantasy.
You will first have to consider the idea that other intelligences exists outside of our little planet Earth, is that possible?
He is going to sucker you in with his bullshit and then he is going to date rape your ignorant basketball watching, NFL, Dancing with the stars, going to the mall,Kentucky fried chicken eating,half wit A-hole, tough titties.
You have 3000 years of recorded history and prophesy and you do not get it yet?
Oh well.
It is not to late to change the outcome but you will have to do your home work.
It is really , really nice to have God with you, seriously, he is awesome, but you have to talk to him, in Christs name ask him to guide you, help you understand.
This will do do more for your life than Drugs,Booze, Medication or Education and it even will defy logic.
Love is like that , I guess.
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Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that the anti-christ shall come... 1 Jo 2:18

The definite article is in the Greek text

The anti-christ shall come

<><><>

....and the people of the ruler (anti-christ) that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary... Dan 9:26

The 10th legion under Titus destroyed the Temple on the 9th of Av 70 A.D.

The 10th legion were Syrian conscripts

The anti-christ will be of Syrian heritage and the Roman Empire

the USA uprooted three nations that arose from the collapse of the Roman Empire

England- Revolutionary War

France- Louisiana Purchase

Spain- Spanish American War

And the ten horns out of this kingdom (Roman Empire) are ten kings that shall arise: and another (USA) shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings. Dan 7:24

Syrian heritage

8,000 Beduin stake their claim as the lost tribe of Barack Obama

A sheikh in Galilee says he has evidence that he and his family are linked by blood to the new President

......

......

......

“We hope to God that Obama will solve the problem of Ghajar,” said Sheikh Issam al-Khalil, a leading citizen of the divided town, whose residents mostly speak Hebrew and Arabic but many of whom consider themselves as originally Syrian. Reference Times UK

BHO's birthday is the Day the temple was Destroyed..

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

216th day of the year, 6x6x6

Thread: Christians: Could We Be Farther Along in Revelation Then We Thought? (Page 7)
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Watch those videos in my first reply cause its all in there. Come to think of it. The bible refers to it several times as it. Not he not she but it. This could be due to it being genetically modified being against Gods creations. Part animal human so to speak or along those lines. Watch those videos. We do know from what bible says that everything about the anti-christ will be against God all that is God and anything that has to do with God from what is written.

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“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.” Marcus Tullius Cicero

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Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that the anti-christ shall come... 1 Jo 2:18

The definite article is in the Greek text

The anti-christ shall come

<><><>

....and the people of the ruler (anti-christ) that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary... Dan 9:26

The 10th legion under Titus destroyed the Temple on the 9th of Av 70 A.D.

The 10th legion were Syrian conscripts

The anti-christ will be of Syrian heritage and the Roman Empire

the USA uprooted three nations that arose from the collapse of the Roman Empire

England- Revolutionary War

France- Louisiana Purchase

Spain- Spanish American War

And the ten horns out of this kingdom (Roman Empire) are ten kings that shall arise: and another (USA) shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings. Dan 7:24

Syrian heritage

8,000 Beduin stake their claim as the lost tribe of Barack Obama

A sheikh in Galilee says he has evidence that he and his family are linked by blood to the new President

......

......

......

“We hope to God that Obama will solve the problem of Ghajar,” said Sheikh Issam al-Khalil, a leading citizen of the divided town, whose residents mostly speak Hebrew and Arabic but many of whom consider themselves as originally Syrian. Reference Times UK

BHO's birthday is the Day the temple was Destroyed..

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

216th day of the year, 6x6x6

Thread: Christians: Could We Be Farther Along in Revelation Then We Thought? (Page 7)
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We are not further along in revelation. There are 2 wars with Gog and Magog the first war with Gog and Magog is written about in Ezekiel. Also it says you will know him by his name and his name will be 666. Not his birthday you will not know him by his birthday but by his name and his name will be 666. The problem your running into is your trying to fit OBAMA to it rather then looking at what the bible says. You run into much distorting when you try to fit things to it rather then bringing all of what bible says together about anti-christ. Obama has a wife it specifically says he will ignore women and women will not be able to seduce him. Also we know that when Anti Christ comes there will be miracles and wonders and all will be in awe of him. It is not OBAMA!! It cleary states where he will come from, how he will come and what will happen when he comes. None of it ties to Obama, again IT IS NOT OBAMA

To show where we are with the first war of Gog and Magog the second war about Gog and Magog is the last war one of the very last things and God actually comes during that war. That second Gog and Magog war is written about in revelations, read this link this is the precise point in history where we are at and everything relates to it from Ezekiel.

[link to www.nowtheendbegins.com]

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“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.” Marcus Tullius Cicero

"You must submit to supreme suffering in order to discover the completion of joy."
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Another thing to note is this!!! Nimrods grave was supposedly recently discovered in Iraq. Recently when we were first going into Iraq, just before we (United States) went in it was discovered or something along those lines. The first place we went was the museum Iraq supposedly had stuff from Nimrods grave!! That is scary
 Quoting: Wolverine

You know the Beast has a time of just 3 1/2 years and 5 months is used up before 4 fallen angels are released from the area you describe, luckily the find you mention did not result in a angelic army manifesting into 200M horsemen or the US would be part of the 1/3 of mankind that they are allowed to kill. The Beast or Satan (north and south kings in Da:11) will be their boss.

Re:9:14:
Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet,
Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.
Re:9:15:
And the four angels were loosed,
which were prepared for an hour,
and a day,
and a month,
and a year,
for to slay the third part of men.
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Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that the anti-christ shall come... 1 Jo 2:18

The definite article is in the Greek text

The anti-christ shall come

<><><>

....and the people of the ruler (anti-christ) that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary... Dan 9:26

The 10th legion under Titus destroyed the Temple on the 9th of Av 70 A.D.

The 10th legion were Syrian conscripts

The anti-christ will be of Syrian heritage and the Roman Empire

the USA uprooted three nations that arose from the collapse of the Roman Empire

England- Revolutionary War

France- Louisiana Purchase

Spain- Spanish American War

And the ten horns out of this kingdom (Roman Empire) are ten kings that shall arise: and another (USA) shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings. Dan 7:24

Syrian heritage

8,000 Beduin stake their claim as the lost tribe of Barack Obama

A sheikh in Galilee says he has evidence that he and his family are linked by blood to the new President

......

......

......

“We hope to God that Obama will solve the problem of Ghajar,” said Sheikh Issam al-Khalil, a leading citizen of the divided town, whose residents mostly speak Hebrew and Arabic but many of whom consider themselves as originally Syrian. Reference Times UK

BHO's birthday is the Day the temple was Destroyed..

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

216th day of the year, 6x6x6

Thread: Christians: Could We Be Farther Along in Revelation Then We Thought? (Page 7)
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We are not further along in revelation. There are 2 wars with Gog and Magog the first war with Gog and Magog is written about in Ezekiel. Also it says you will know him by his name and his name will be 666. Not his birthday you will not know him by his birthday but by his name and his name will be 666. The problem your running into is your trying to fit OBAMA to it rather then looking at what the bible says. You run into much distorting when you try to fit things to it rather then bringing all of what bible says together about anti-christ. Obama has a wife it specifically says he will ignore women and women will not be able to seduce him. Also we know that when Anti Christ comes there will be miracles and wonders and all will be in awe of him. It is not OBAMA!! It cleary states where he will come from, how he will come and what will happen when he comes. None of it ties to Obama, again IT IS NOT OBAMA

To show where we are with the first war of Gog and Magog the second war about Gog and Magog is the last war one of the very last things and God actually comes during that war. That second Gog and Magog war is written about in revelations, read this link this is the precise point in history where we are at and everything relates to it from Ezekiel.

[link to www.nowtheendbegins.com]
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i looked at the website you are promoting putin

consider this about 666 [link to themessianicmessage.com]

rather than just post a link to a site...

show by scripture, actually post the scriptures and give your interpretation or the site you are following interpretation...

And Refute any part of what i posted by scripture

Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee. Prov 9:8
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The army in Rev 9 is God's Army...
they attack evildoers who do NOT
have God's special seal of protection.

Those four angels loosed from the river
Euphrates in Rev 9 are connected with a
similar prophecy in Rev 16... when the water
of the Euphrates river is dried up to prepare
the path for the kings of the east.

The binding and loosening at the Euphrates
river refers to the binding of Jeremiah's
prophecy against Babylon [see end of Je 51]
which was thrown into the Euphrates river...
and the drying up of the Euphrates river
by God's Anointed, Cyrus, God's King from
the east... which allowed Cyrus' troops
to conquer Babylon by stealth by secretly
entering Babylon via the dried up Euphrates
river bed [which symbolically loosed Jeremiah's
bond prophecy in the Euphrates river... prophecy
of the destruction of Babylon.]


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Another thing to note is this!!! Nimrods grave was supposedly recently discovered in Iraq. Recently when we were first going into Iraq, just before we (United States) went in it was discovered or something along those lines. The first place we went was the museum Iraq supposedly had stuff from Nimrods grave!! That is scary
 Quoting: Wolverine

You know the Beast has a time of just 3 1/2 years and 5 months is used up before 4 fallen angels are released from the area you describe, luckily the find you mention did not result in a angelic army manifesting into 200M horsemen or the US would be part of the 1/3 of mankind that they are allowed to kill. The Beast or Satan (north and south kings in Da:11) will be their boss.

Re:9:14:
Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet,
Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.
Re:9:15:
And the four angels were loosed,
which were prepared for an hour,
and a day,
and a month,
and a year,
for to slay the third part of men.
 Quoting: MHz


The thing is the find I mentioned was captured by the U.S. and could be being genetically engineered now. Nimrods remains!! The bible says that in the end of times when anti christ comes as it was in the days of Noah so shall it be in the end of times.
Nimrod is from Noahs time, he was killed by a mortal head wound. If you add up the 7 major kings throughout history that caused trouble that was directly against God and his teachings I forget who all of them are but Alexander the great is one. Nimrod is the other, hitler is one of em and a Nero was another. Again I forget who the 7 kings are but they narrowed it to the 7 and it says in the bible from out of the seven comes the 8th and he was of the 7. In other words he was one of the previous 7 kings. The only one of them who died by a mortal head wound was Nimrod. What else do we know about Nimrod. He was from around Noahs time. We also know that he is the king that build a tower toward heaven. But we know it wasn't a tower and he wasn't trying to reach heaven by tower!! Why cause he built it in a valley. So it had nothing to do with height! What we do know is the people before Noah's time were so against God that he destroyed the world and he mentions why. God said that fallen angeles mated with human women and they took all the women they wanted. This was satans way of corrupting Gods seed and creation. People became greatly corrupt and the bible also mentions how large and giant like people were during Noahs time. Some of them as tall as trees. Nimrod was one of the people who were the result of fallen angels mixing with humans. Now we are in the day and age of time were we are tampering with genetic engineering and Nimrods grave was just discovered. Again all this is clear in the videos. You must watch!
“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.” Marcus Tullius Cicero

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Another thing to note is this!!! Nimrods grave was supposedly recently discovered in Iraq. Recently when we were first going into Iraq, just before we (United States) went in it was discovered or something along those lines. The first place we went was the museum Iraq supposedly had stuff from Nimrods grave!! That is scary
 Quoting: Wolverine

You know the Beast has a time of just 3 1/2 years and 5 months is used up before 4 fallen angels are released from the area you describe, luckily the find you mention did not result in a angelic army manifesting into 200M horsemen or the US would be part of the 1/3 of mankind that they are allowed to kill. The Beast or Satan (north and south kings in Da:11) will be their boss.

Re:9:14:
Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet,
Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.
Re:9:15:
And the four angels were loosed,
which were prepared for an hour,
and a day,
and a month,
and a year,
for to slay the third part of men.
 Quoting: MHz


The thing is the find I mentioned was captured by the U.S. and could be being genetically engineered now. Nimrods remains!! The bible says that in the end of times when anti christ comes as it was in the days of Noah so shall it be in the end of times.
Nimrod is from Noahs time, he was killed by a mortal head wound. If you add up the 7 major kings throughout history that caused trouble that was directly against God and his teachings I forget who all of them are but Alexander the great is one. Nimrod is the other, hitler is one of em and a Nero was another. Again I forget who the 7 kings are but they narrowed it to the 7 and it says in the bible from out of the seven comes the 8th and he was of the 7. In other words he was one of the previous 7 kings. The only one of them who died by a mortal head wound was Nimrod. What else do we know about Nimrod. He was from around Noahs time. We also know that he is the king that build a tower toward heaven. But we know it wasn't a tower and he wasn't trying to reach heaven by tower!! Why cause he built it in a valley. So it had nothing to do with height! What we do know is the people before Noah's time were so against God that he destroyed the world and he mentions why. God said that fallen angeles mated with human women and they took all the women they wanted. This was satans way of corrupting Gods seed and creation. People became greatly corrupt and the bible also mentions how large and giant like people were during Noahs time. Some of them as tall as trees. Nimrod was one of the people who were the result of fallen angels mixing with humans. Now we are in the day and age of time were we are tampering with genetic engineering and Nimrods grave was just discovered. Again all this is clear in the videos. You must watch!
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I have reviewed and studied this stuff intensely
Here is what I believe will happen. We are currently in the prelude to the first war of Gog and Magog against Israel.
This link here
[link to www.nowtheendbegins.com]

In this phase the Dome of the Rock will come down. After the war is over a new temple will be built and old testament days of worship with sacrifices and all will once again take place like it says in the bible in that new temple with the Jews. Because of this war the whole world will be ready for a new leadership. During all this economies will crash and a new money sources world money source will be created by the countries right now. This is not the NWO yet just the prelude. When all of our countries start a new money source we are still all separate countries. The war is over and we are exhausted with war and distraught over it. Then the Anti Christ comes on the scene. Perfect timing. He gets all the countries to destroy most of their weapons and sign peace treaties. He preaches peace more then anyone before him. Once peace is established for a while he then goes to the Temple in Israel and declares himself God. Some actually believe him. He then starts marking everyone somehow get marked and that will be the new currency. If you receive the mark you are guaranteed to go to the bottomless pit. This is a test of the people who are left here on earth that the lord didn't take away yet. The first group of people that the lord takes is before much of this or right during it. The rest of who is left must pass this tribulation test and must go through pestilences. Once the anti-christ marks everyone he then begins great persecution of Jews and Christians. Greater then ever before. That means greater then the holocaust was!! That means you must within yourself be open to dieing if it comes to receiving the mark you must die if you have to, to not receive it. That is how things will play out. At the end of the tribulation is the last war of Gog and Magog and that is when Jesus Christ comes during that war. That war is written about in Revelation. We are currently at the first war of gog and magog which is written about in Ezekiel.

Summary
Ezekiel war of Gog and Magog against Israel

[link to www.nowtheendbegins.com]


About who the Anti Christ could Be



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“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.” Marcus Tullius Cicero

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Bottom line!! We are in the prelude right now to the first war of Gog and Magog against Israel and this has been building over the last 50 years or since the Jews got back to Israel and established the ancient language Hebrew!! Both of these things were predicted and both of them took place in our time. 1948
[link to www.nowtheendbegins.com]

We do know that there have been many anit christs talked about in the bible that have come in many forms. We do know that the one anti christ which will be a person, thing, being or entity is due to come and the bible tells us what to look for. Who it is exactly thats where I think this is the closest thing accurately matching it.

[link to www.youtube.com]



The first war of Gog and Magog says will be shortly after the Jews have re-established themselves in Israel which is EXACTLY WHAT IS TRANSPIRING AT A RAPID PACE OVER THERE RIGHT NOW!! Explained in the above link its practically undeniable!

Who the anti-christ will be well thats a little tricker. But I believe just before he comes as well that there will be a bunch of modern day profits who make it clear to us who it will be. They will put Gods word together for us with easier understanding so we are aware! But again this is what I consider to be as close to accurate as possible account of anit christ in this video below!

[link to www.youtube.com]
“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.” Marcus Tullius Cicero

"You must submit to supreme suffering in order to discover the completion of joy."
- John "Calvin" Rambo
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Bottom line!! We are in the prelude right now to the first war of Gog and Magog against Israel and this has been building over the last 50 years or since the Jews got back to Israel and established the ancient language Hebrew!! Both of these things were predicted and both of them took place in our time. 1948
[link to www.nowtheendbegins.com]

We do know that there have been many anit christs talked about in the bible that have come in many forms. We do know that the one anti christ which will be a person, thing, being or entity is due to come and the bible tells us what to look for. Who it is exactly thats where I think this is the closest thing accurately matching it.

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The first war of Gog and Magog says will be shortly after the Jews have re-established themselves in Israel which is EXACTLY WHAT IS TRANSPIRING AT A RAPID PACE OVER THERE RIGHT NOW!! Explained in the above link its practically undeniable!

Who the anti-christ will be well thats a little tricker. But I believe just before he comes as well that there will be a bunch of modern day profits who make it clear to us who it will be. They will put Gods word together for us with easier understanding so we are aware! But again this is what I consider to be as close to accurate as possible account of anit christ in this video below!

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We were told what to look for and when the anti christ comes we will know who he is if we are believers in Jesus! We know that much so not to worry he will definitely be revealed! He is not OBAMA he has a wife and kids and there are to many other things that don't match Obama! It specifically says in bible that anti christ come out of the sea and he will not pay any attention to women nor will women be able to seduce him in any way.

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“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.” Marcus Tullius Cicero

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Re: 2 thessalonians
The thing is the find I mentioned was captured by the U.S. and could be being genetically engineered now. Nimrods remains!! The bible says that in the end of times when anti christ comes as it was in the days of Noah so shall it be in the end of times.
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That true, people are living a 'careless life-style' and a fallen angel will be calling the shots for just 3 1/2 years, in that time 1/3 of all of mankind is killed. Satan, the Beast and the 4 angels released are the iron part of the last kingdom, no time for children to be born so an alliance is made with 10 men that are given kingdoms that encircle the whole planet. The rules of pre=flood will try and be implemented and after 3 1/2 years 2/3 of the world will die because they bought into trhat system, much as men did in the pre-flood days but men were not calling the shots, nor will they be during the time of the 5th and 6th trumps. This topic is a bit long but the Bible has a lot to say so it ends up being quite clear, in MHO anyway lol.

Nimrod is from Noahs time, he was killed by a mortal head wound. If you add up the 7 major kings throughout history that caused trouble that was directly against God and his teachings I forget who all of them are but Alexander the great is one.
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That would put him pre-flood so as a giant he would have been drowned and the fallen angels were put into the Pit by 10,000 holy angels.
Nimrod is the other, hitler is one of em and a Nero was another. Again I forget who the 7 kings are but they narrowed it to the 7 and it says in the bible from out of the seven comes the 8th and he was of the 7.
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De:33:2:
And he said,
The LORD came from Sinai,
and rose up from Seir unto them;
he shined forth from mount Paran,
and he came with ten thousands of saints:
from his right hand went a fiery law for them.

The counting of kings is from the metal statue in Da:2 starts with Neb.
1)Neb
2)Darius the Median
3)Cyrus the Persian
4)Alex from Grecia
5)whomever was in control after Greece lost power
6)Rome, the one 'that is' in the time Re. was written.
7)Satan when the 5th trump sounds as he has the key.
8)Beast that was, is not, and will be.

Of the 7 means he is iron and not clay, same as Satan, angelic beings

In other words he was one of the previous 7 kings. The only one of them who died by a mortal head wound was Nimrod. What else do we know about Nimrod. He was from around Noahs time. We also know that he is the king that build a tower toward heaven.
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No because the counting only goes back to Neb, the head of gold in the statue. That is also given in Da:7 and the same counting can be done there. Be glad to cover that if you would like.

But we know it wasn't a tower and he wasn't trying to reach heaven by tower!! Why cause he built it in a valley. So it had nothing to do with height!
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Babel is well after the flood and the tower was being built for Satan so he could leave planet earth. For all we know it could have been a rail-gun that is a launch platform for an immortal being. This was when men still all spoke one language and the verse below is mentioning that the language change is how the nations were weakened by an angelic being after the flood.

Isa:14:12:
How art thou fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer,
son of the morning!
how art thou cut down to the ground,
which didst weaken the nations!
Isa:14:13:
For thou hast said in thine heart,
I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God:
I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation,
in the sides of the north:
Isa:14:14:
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds;
I will be like the most High.
Isa:14:15:
Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell,
to the sides of the pit.
What we do know is the people before Noah's time were so against God that he destroyed the world and he mentions why.
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God said that fallen angeles mated with human women and they took all the women they wanted. This was satans way of corrupting Gods seed and creation. People became greatly corrupt and the bible also mentions how large and giant like people were during Noahs time. Some of them as tall as trees. Nimrod was one of the people who were the result of fallen angels mixing with humans.
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Very true and the children were giants, having large bodies and 24 fingers and toes like Goliath after the flood which means the wives of Noah's sons were women with 6 fingers and Noah and his wife and their 3 sons all had 5 fingers, nimrod was one or the other and men could build the tower and they would have been kings.

Now we are in the day and age of time were we are tampering with genetic engineering and Nimrods grave was just discovered.
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True again but that is not what the Bible references, two fallen angels come for a period of 5 months (1st woe) and the 4 more join the for the remainder of the 42 months the Beast has.

Again all this is clear in the videos. You must watch!
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Downloading now, want to wait till it is less busy to watch them.

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