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2 thessalonians

 
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Bottom line!! We are in the prelude right now to the first war of Gog and Magog against Israel and this has been building over the last 50 years or since the Jews got back to Israel and established the ancient language Hebrew!! Both of these things were predicted and both of them took place in our time. 1948

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Gog is created in Eze:39 after the armies have been killed in Eze:39. The valley in Zec:14 is part of the scene in Eze:39 and the same new valley is the one the river in Eze:47 flows through.

The bones that are gathered in Eze:39 are those of the 200M angelic horsemen that supply the blood for the river of blood in Revelation. The bones are collected and put in some part of that new valley and 1,000 years later when Satan is released the bones will also be released and they and sayan and any remaining fallen angels will all go to the fiery lake. Magog is the hole in the ground that Satan goes through to be in the Pit in chains for the 1,000 years, both places will be highly visible in Israel for the whole 1,000 years so the ones that come for the yearly feast (Zec:14) will see them every year and the release will be fully expected and all the ones alive for the 1,000 years (static population)will be witnesses to just how God sends them to the lake.

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Bottom line!! We are in the prelude right now to the first war of Gog and Magog against Israel and this has been building over the last 50 years or since the Jews got back to Israel and established the ancient language Hebrew!! Both of these things were predicted and both of them took place in our time. 1948
[link to www.nowtheendbegins.com]

We do know that there have been many anit christs talked about in the bible that have come in many forms. We do know that the one anti christ which will be a person, thing, being or entity is due to come and the bible tells us what to look for. Who it is exactly thats where I think this is the closest thing accurately matching it.

[link to www.youtube.com]



The first war of Gog and Magog says will be shortly after the Jews have re-established themselves in Israel which is EXACTLY WHAT IS TRANSPIRING AT A RAPID PACE OVER THERE RIGHT NOW!! Explained in the above link its practically undeniable!

Who the anti-christ will be well thats a little tricker. But I believe just before he comes as well that there will be a bunch of modern day profits who make it clear to us who it will be. They will put Gods word together for us with easier understanding so we are aware! But again this is what I consider to be as close to accurate as possible account of anit christ in this video below!

[link to www.youtube.com]
 Quoting: Wolverine


We were told what to look for and when the anti christ comes we will know who he is if we are believers in Jesus! We know that much so not to worry he will definitely be revealed! He is not OBAMA he has a wife and kids and there are to many other things that don't match Obama! It specifically says in bible that anti christ come out of the sea and he will not pay any attention to women nor will women be able to seduce him in any way.
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Daniel 11:37 says, “Neither shall he regard the Elohiym of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.”

The text says the anti-christ will exalt himself above all that is called God and will consider himself superior to all of them.

The phrase “desire of women” has to refer to God. What’s more, the word translated desire appears 25 times in the Old Testament but never in a sexual context.

The key phrase in that passage is hemdath nashiym, which KJV translates "the desire of women"

In the context of Dan.11:37 we have four sequential elements: 1) antichrist being unconcerned with the God of his fathers 2) antichrist being unconcerned with the hemdath nashiym; 3) antichrist being unconcerned with any god/gods at all; 4) antichrist as a result exalting himself over all gods.

Here is a translation that makes sense

He ( antichrist) will have no regard for the God of his fathers, nor those favored by their wives, nor will he have regard for any god, for he will exalt himself above them all.
Daniel 11:37

Nothing in the text says he is a homosexual,

But it doesn't say he isn't either (Larry Sinclair)
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While deluded "Christians" wait for their twisted version
of prophecy to be fulfilled by an imaginary "THE Antichrist"...
their enemies, the many antichrists, have taken over the planet
and disinherited Christianity.


In Bible prophecy, "beast" symbolizes a nation... not a man.


The first and second beasts of Rev 13 are the USA and the
Edomite-jew state... the second beast is also called the
false prophet. The second beast [fake Israel] existence
is based upon a LIE... the lie that it is the fulfillment
of the regathering of Israel prophecy.



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 Quoting: Atossa 18850150


I agree.

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While deluded "Christians" wait for their twisted version
of prophecy to be fulfilled by an imaginary "THE Antichrist"...
their enemies, the many antichrists, have taken over the planet
and disinherited Christianity.


In Bible prophecy, "beast" symbolizes a nation... not a man.


The first and second beasts of Rev 13 are the USA and the
Edomite-jew state... the second beast is also called the
false prophet. The second beast [fake Israel] existence
is based upon a LIE... the lie that it is the fulfillment
of the regathering of Israel prophecy.



.
 Quoting: Atossa 18850150


I agree.
 Quoting: Pyractomena borealis


I Strongly disagree, the scripture says otherwise

For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Yahudah(Jews) and Yerushalayim (Jerusalem), Joel 3:1

YHWH also shall save the tents of Yahudah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Yerushalayim do not magnify themselves against Yahudah.

In that day shall YHWH defend the inhabitants of Yerushalayim and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as ELOHIYM, as the Angel of YHWH before them.

And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Yerushalayim. Zech 10:7-9

In those days and in that time - The Jews Return to Jerusalem their inheritance.

It is the Jews who return first to their tents/homes

In that day YHWH will defend the inhabitants of Yerushalayim, the House of David, The Jews

Then they will look upon the Aleph Taw whom they pierced

And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon Aleph-Taw whom they have pierced. Zech 12:10

The translation above is correct, Me is not in the Hebrew, Only the Aleph-Taw appears here, the First and Last

Thus saith YHWH the King of Israel, and His redeemer YHWH of hosts; I Am the First, and I am the Last; and beside Me there is no ELOHIYM.

The Two Sons of the Father

And he(Yahudah) answering said to his Father, Lo, these many years do I serve You, neither transgressed I at any time your commandment: and yet You never gave me a kid, that I might make merry with my friends:

But as soon as this thy son (Ephraim/christianity) was come, which hath devoured thy living with harlots (christmas, easter sun worship), thou hast killed for him the fatted calf.

And He said unto him, Son (Judah), thou art ever with Me, and all that I have is yours.

It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother (Ephraimite christianity) was dead (away from Torah), and is alive again (returned to Torah); and was lost, and is found. Luke 15:29-31

Ephraim compasseth Me about with lies, and the house of Israel with deceit: but Yahudah (the Jews) yet rules with ELOHIYM, and is faithful with the saints. Hosea 11:12

Do we then make void the Torah through faith? Let it never be, yes, we uphold the Torah. Romans 3:31
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While deluded "Christians" wait for their twisted version
of prophecy to be fulfilled by an imaginary "THE Antichrist"...
their enemies, the many antichrists, have taken over the planet
and disinherited Christianity.


In Bible prophecy, "beast" symbolizes a nation... not a man.


The first and second beasts of Rev 13 are the USA and the
Edomite-jew state... the second beast is also called the
false prophet. The second beast [fake Israel] existence
is based upon a LIE... the lie that it is the fulfillment
of the regathering of Israel prophecy.



.
 Quoting: Atossa 18850150


I agree.
 Quoting: Pyractomena borealis


I Strongly disagree, the scripture says otherwise

For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Yahudah(Jews) and Yerushalayim (Jerusalem), Joel 3:1

YHWH also shall save the tents of Yahudah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Yerushalayim do not magnify themselves against Yahudah.

In that day shall YHWH defend the inhabitants of Yerushalayim and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as ELOHIYM, as the Angel of YHWH before them.

And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Yerushalayim. Zech 10:7-9

In those days and in that time - The Jews Return to Jerusalem their inheritance.

It is the Jews who return first to their tents/homes

In that day YHWH will defend the inhabitants of Yerushalayim, the House of David, The Jews

Then they will look upon the Aleph Taw whom they pierced

And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon Aleph-Taw whom they have pierced. Zech 12:10

The translation above is correct, Me is not in the Hebrew, Only the Aleph-Taw appears here, the First and Last

Thus saith YHWH the King of Israel, and His redeemer YHWH of hosts; I Am the First, and I am the Last; and beside Me there is no ELOHIYM.

The Two Sons of the Father

And he(Yahudah) answering said to his Father, Lo, these many years do I serve You, neither transgressed I at any time your commandment: and yet You never gave me a kid, that I might make merry with my friends:

But as soon as this thy son (Ephraim/christianity) was come, which hath devoured thy living with harlots (christmas, easter sun worship), thou hast killed for him the fatted calf.

And He said unto him, Son (Judah), thou art ever with Me, and all that I have is yours.

It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother (Ephraimite christianity) was dead (away from Torah), and is alive again (returned to Torah); and was lost, and is found. Luke 15:29-31

Ephraim compasseth Me about with lies, and the house of Israel with deceit: but Yahudah (the Jews) yet rules with ELOHIYM, and is faithful with the saints. Hosea 11:12

Do we then make void the Torah through faith? Let it never be, yes, we uphold the Torah. Romans 3:31
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While deluded "Christians" wait for their twisted version
of prophecy to be fulfilled by an imaginary "THE Antichrist"...
their enemies, the many antichrists, have taken over the planet
and disinherited Christianity.


In Bible prophecy, "beast" symbolizes a nation... not a man.


The first and second beasts of Rev 13 are the USA and the
Edomite-jew state... the second beast is also called the
false prophet. The second beast [fake Israel] existence
is based upon a LIE... the lie that it is the fulfillment
of the regathering of Israel prophecy.



.
 Quoting: Atossa 18850150


I agree.
 Quoting: Pyractomena borealis


I Strongly disagree, the scripture says otherwise

For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Yahudah(Jews) and Yerushalayim (Jerusalem), Joel 3:1

YHWH also shall save the tents of Yahudah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Yerushalayim do not magnify themselves against Yahudah.

In that day shall YHWH defend the inhabitants of Yerushalayim and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as ELOHIYM, as the Angel of YHWH before them.

And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Yerushalayim. Zech 10:7-9

In those days and in that time - The Jews Return to Jerusalem their inheritance.

It is the Jews who return first to their tents/homes

In that day YHWH will defend the inhabitants of Yerushalayim, the House of David, The Jews

Then they will look upon the Aleph Taw whom they pierced

And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon Aleph-Taw whom they have pierced. Zech 12:10

The translation above is correct, Me is not in the Hebrew, Only the Aleph-Taw appears here, the First and Last

Thus saith YHWH the King of Israel, and His redeemer YHWH of hosts; I Am the First, and I am the Last; and beside Me there is no ELOHIYM.

The Two Sons of the Father

And he(Yahudah) answering said to his Father, Lo, these many years do I serve You, neither transgressed I at any time your commandment: and yet You never gave me a kid, that I might make merry with my friends:

But as soon as this thy son (Ephraim/christianity) was come, which hath devoured thy living with harlots (christmas, easter sun worship), thou hast killed for him the fatted calf.

And He said unto him, Son (Judah), thou art ever with Me, and all that I have is yours.

It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother (Ephraimite christianity) was dead (away from Torah), and is alive again (returned to Torah); and was lost, and is found. Luke 15:29-31

Ephraim compasseth Me about with lies, and the house of Israel with deceit: but Yahudah (the Jews) yet rules with ELOHIYM, and is faithful with the saints. Hosea 11:12

Do we then make void the Torah through faith? Let it never be, yes, we uphold the Torah. Romans 3:31
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Is the Talmud your holy book?
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Do Karaite Jews follow that commentary ?

making a wild generalization is your answer to the scriptures ?

OY VEY
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The Gog Magog war takes place upon the Mountains of Israel, Today it is called "the West Bank"

Then comes the return of the Northern Kingdom/ House of Israel

Therefore thus saith the ADONAY YHWH; Now will I bring again the captivity of Yacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for My Holy Name;
Ez 39:25

Neither will I hide My face any more from them: for I have poured out My spirit upon the house of Israel, says the ADONAY YHWH. 39:29

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And other sheep (House of Israel) I have, which are not of this fold (House of Judah): them also I must bring, and they shall hear My voice; and there shall be one fold, and One Shepherd.

Therefore doth my Father love Me, because I lay down My life, that I might take it again. John 10:16-17

YESHUAH said His Father loved Him because He lay down His life for Two Folds that would Have One Shepherd

Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves one Head, and they shall come up out of the land: for great shall be the day of Yezreel. Hosea 1:11

Paul instructs the Ephesians that they were formerly gentiles, But that In Messiah they are Citizens of Israel 2:11-12

He informs the Galatians that in Messiah they are the Seed of Abraham... Gal 3:29

Is 41:8 But thou, Israel, art My servant, Yacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham My Friend.

When YHWH shall build up Zion, He shall appear in His glory. Ps 102:16

Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great ELOHIYM and our Saviour YESHUAH MASHIYACH. Titus 2:13

YHWH does build up Jerusalem: He gathers together the outcasts of Israel. Ps 147:2

And He shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Yahudah from the four corners of the earth. Is 11:12

But He answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Matt 15:24


And He shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of His kingdom there shall be no end. Luke 1:33
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The thing is the find I mentioned was captured by the U.S. and could be being genetically engineered now. Nimrods remains!! The bible says that in the end of times when anti christ comes as it was in the days of Noah so shall it be in the end of times.
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That true, people are living a 'careless life-style' and a fallen angel will be calling the shots for just 3 1/2 years, in that time 1/3 of all of mankind is killed. Satan, the Beast and the 4 angels released are the iron part of the last kingdom, no time for children to be born so an alliance is made with 10 men that are given kingdoms that encircle the whole planet. The rules of pre=flood will try and be implemented and after 3 1/2 years 2/3 of the world will die because they bought into trhat system, much as men did in the pre-flood days but men were not calling the shots, nor will they be during the time of the 5th and 6th trumps. This topic is a bit long but the Bible has a lot to say so it ends up being quite clear, in MHO anyway lol.

Nimrod is from Noahs time, he was killed by a mortal head wound. If you add up the 7 major kings throughout history that caused trouble that was directly against God and his teachings I forget who all of them are but Alexander the great is one.
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That would put him pre-flood so as a giant he would have been drowned and the fallen angels were put into the Pit by 10,000 holy angels.
Nimrod is the other, hitler is one of em and a Nero was another. Again I forget who the 7 kings are but they narrowed it to the 7 and it says in the bible from out of the seven comes the 8th and he was of the 7.
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De:33:2:
And he said,
The LORD came from Sinai,
and rose up from Seir unto them;
he shined forth from mount Paran,
and he came with ten thousands of saints:
from his right hand went a fiery law for them.

The counting of kings is from the metal statue in Da:2 starts with Neb.
1)Neb
2)Darius the Median
3)Cyrus the Persian
4)Alex from Grecia
5)whomever was in control after Greece lost power
6)Rome, the one 'that is' in the time Re. was written.
7)Satan when the 5th trump sounds as he has the key.
8)Beast that was, is not, and will be.

Of the 7 means he is iron and not clay, same as Satan, angelic beings

In other words he was one of the previous 7 kings. The only one of them who died by a mortal head wound was Nimrod. What else do we know about Nimrod. He was from around Noahs time. We also know that he is the king that build a tower toward heaven.
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No because the counting only goes back to Neb, the head of gold in the statue. That is also given in Da:7 and the same counting can be done there. Be glad to cover that if you would like.

But we know it wasn't a tower and he wasn't trying to reach heaven by tower!! Why cause he built it in a valley. So it had nothing to do with height!
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Babel is well after the flood and the tower was being built for Satan so he could leave planet earth. For all we know it could have been a rail-gun that is a launch platform for an immortal being. This was when men still all spoke one language and the verse below is mentioning that the language change is how the nations were weakened by an angelic being after the flood.

Isa:14:12:
How art thou fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer,
son of the morning!
how art thou cut down to the ground,
which didst weaken the nations!
Isa:14:13:
For thou hast said in thine heart,
I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God:
I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation,
in the sides of the north:
Isa:14:14:
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds;
I will be like the most High.
Isa:14:15:
Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell,
to the sides of the pit.
What we do know is the people before Noah's time were so against God that he destroyed the world and he mentions why.
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God said that fallen angeles mated with human women and they took all the women they wanted. This was satans way of corrupting Gods seed and creation. People became greatly corrupt and the bible also mentions how large and giant like people were during Noahs time. Some of them as tall as trees. Nimrod was one of the people who were the result of fallen angels mixing with humans.
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Very true and the children were giants, having large bodies and 24 fingers and toes like Goliath after the flood which means the wives of Noah's sons were women with 6 fingers and Noah and his wife and their 3 sons all had 5 fingers, nimrod was one or the other and men could build the tower and they would have been kings.

Now we are in the day and age of time were we are tampering with genetic engineering and Nimrods grave was just discovered.
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True again but that is not what the Bible references, two fallen angels come for a period of 5 months (1st woe) and the 4 more join the for the remainder of the 42 months the Beast has.

Again all this is clear in the videos. You must watch!
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Downloading now, want to wait till it is less busy to watch them.
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Did you get a chance to Read the link?:

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And watch the video!!
What did you think?



Hope you had a great Thanksgiving!

Last Edited by Wolverine on 11/23/2012 10:16 AM
“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.” Marcus Tullius Cicero

"You must submit to supreme suffering in order to discover the completion of joy."
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What we all have to remember is this? Whether any of this is true or not, at least we are able to discuss it and in doing so bring attention to things no one else was or is bringing attention to. This in itself could greatly help others as to what to look for!

Cause we know this for sure!!!

There is going to be a GREAT DECEPTION SO POWERFUL OF A DECEPTION THAT EVEN THE ELECT BE DECEIVED!!

Matthew 24:24
For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect-- if that were possible.


2 Thessalonians 2:3
Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.


John 5:43 Example
"I have come in My Father's name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive."

Also remember this!! To us those mythological gods of the past are myth! But they were not myth to the ancients! They were very real to them! People believed they existed, they worshiped them. There are still many statues of them to this day! These are the main false gods the bible speaks of! There is no question that the Greek god of zeus reigned supreme over all of them among the false worshiping ancients.

The first of the ten commandments!
1. Thou shalt have no other gods before me!

zeus (Greek mythology's supreme commander) Some Greeks believe zeus was the one true god and that natures worst catastrophes were a sign of his wrath.

zeus went by a few names. There is no denying that zeus was considered the ancients most powerful god that everyone knew of and feared! To this day we still know of zeus.

zeus ruled the ancient world for 3 thousand years, he held onto power amidst strong opposition until a seemingly insignificant individual showed up from Nazareth (Jesus Christ) that completely toppled his regime. To some this is proof enough who Jesus Christ is! To other it may never be enough! Discussing it we may be able to save some through Jesus!

In the first century A.D. Jesus Christ's message would take the world by storm and dethrone Greece's dominant god.

Thanks be to Jesus Christ!

Last Edited by Wolverine on 11/23/2012 04:37 PM
“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.” Marcus Tullius Cicero

"You must submit to supreme suffering in order to discover the completion of joy."
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