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There is no such thing as ‘Palestine’ nor ‘Palestinian people’

 
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Yes, there is NO such thing as "palestinians", no former currency, no such entity ever existed, etc.

But, this does NOT mean that the Arabs or whatever ethnicity they are that call themselves "palestinians" should be treated as they are treated.

As far as modern day "Israel" is concerned, it is a concoction of the Balfour Declaration. True Yisrael is people, and we are currently scattered ALL over the earth. True Yisrael is comprised of physical descendants and Gar Toshav/Righteous Sojourners from ALL nations, tribes, and languages that CHOOSE to FEAR YHVH, BELIEVE in His Mashiyach, and WALK in the Written TORAH(Righteous and Right Ruling with Love, Mercy, and Truth towards ALL peoples they encounter).

The Torah explicitly says NOT to oppress those that live amongst us.

Exo 22:21 “Do not tread down a sojourner or oppress him, for you were sojourners in the land of Mitsrayim.
Exo 22:22 “Do not afflict any widow or fatherless child.
Exo 22:23 “If you do afflict them at all – if they cry out to Me at all, I shall certainly hear their cry,
Exo 22:24 and My wrath shall burn and I shall slay you with the sword, your wives shall be widows and your children fatherless.

Exo 23:6 “Do not turn aside the right-ruling of your poor in his strife.
Exo 23:7 “Keep yourself far from a false matter, and do not kill the innocent and the righteous, for I do not declare the wrong right.
Exo 23:8 “And do not take a bribe, for a bribe blinds the seeing one and twists the words of the righteous.
Exo 23:9 “And do not oppress a sojourner, as you yourselves know the heart of a sojourner, because you were sojourners in the land of Mitsrayim.

Lev 19:32 ‘Rise up before the grey-headed. And you shall favour the face of an old man, and shall fear your Elohim. I am YHVH.
Lev 19:33 ‘And when a stranger sojourns with you in your land, do not oppress him.
Lev 19:34 ‘Let the stranger who dwells among you be to you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself. For you were strangers in the land of Mitsrayim. I am YHVH your Elohim.
Lev 19:35 ‘Do no unrighteousness in right-ruling, in measurement of length, in weight, or in measuring liquids.
Lev 19:36 ‘Have right scales, right weights, a right ephah, and a right hin. I am YHVH your Elohim, who brought you out of the land of Mitsrayim.
Lev 19:37 ‘And you shall guard all My laws and all My right-rulings, and do them. I am YHVH.’ ”

Lev 23:22 ‘And when you reap the harvest of your land do not completely reap the corners of your field when you reap, and do not gather any gleaning from your harvest. Leave them for the poor and for the stranger. I am YHVH your Elohim.’ ”

Deu 10:17 “For YHVH your Elohim is Elohim of mighty ones and Master of masters, the great El, mighty and awesome, who shows no partiality nor takes a bribe.
Deu 10:18 “He executes right-ruling for the fatherless and the widow, and loves the stranger, giving him food and a garment.
Deu 10:19 “And you shall love the stranger, for you were strangers in the land of Mitsrayim.
Deu 10:20 “Fear YHVH your Elohim. Serve Him, and cling to Him, and swear by His Name.

When Mashiyach Ben David returns and puts ALL nations in subjection with a rod of iron, and ALL things are made right, even the sojourner/stranger will receive and inheritance amongst the Tribes of Yisrael. This is a future event that is NOT far off.

Eze 47:21 “And you shall divide this land among yourselves according to the tribes of Yisrael.
Eze 47:22 “And it shall be that you divide it by lot as an inheritance for yourselves, and for the strangers who sojourn in your midst and who bear children among you. And they shall be to you as native-born among the children of Yisrael – with you they have an inheritance in the midst of the tribes of Yisrael1. Footnote: 1Isa. 14:1, Isa. 56:6-8, Rom. 11:17-26, Eph. 2:19, Eph. 3:6, Rev. 21:12.
Eze 47:23 “And it shall be that in whatever tribe the stranger sojourns, there you give him his inheritance,” declares the Master YHVH.

Many other examples in the ancient text, but I think this is enough to make my point.

Shalom,
Eliyah Ben Yisrael
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u suck OP
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now that's what i call an effective response.

it has everything.

thought provoking, informative, a truly convincing argument.
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Palestine has existed as a nation state since the Roman empire. The people called Palestinians are the natives to the region and the descendants of the true Hebrew people who practiced the religion of Moses and later converted to Islam.

The word 'jew' did not exist prior to the `1700's and these 'jews' who have invaded the region have absolutely no business claiming Palestine as their homeland. They are not native to the region and have no true religious identity, with beliefs ranging from atheism (which is by far the most prevalent) to outright satanic worship.

Let us assume that their religious motivations are true and real, did I not read somewhere there in the 'bible' that the Israelite's were not to return from the diaspora until the messiah returns? Who is the messiah and why are these people using their religion as an excuse for stealing these lands from the native peoples when they are not even supposed to be there according to it?

With jews you simply have no way to defend their actions besides censoring opposition.
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K let me put a fork in this it's done.

Palestine DOES NOT exist and the fact they are still pushing for it to become a state proves my point.Now on to the real issue and this being nothing more than a blood feud.

This topic goes back to the time of Abraham,his sons and what was promised to whom.I'm not going to get into everybody because there are just too many so I will split this into 2 groups the Israelis and the Arabs. Abraham had many sons and to simplify this the sons of Jacob and Issac were the youngest and they along with their descendents were called the sons of Israel and Esau and Ishmael were the elder sons from a different mother and considered as Arabs.

From this we know the Israeli line and Arab line all stem from Abraham so they are of the same blood.The problem arose when Abraham inherited to his youngest sons the land that is now Israel and quite a bit more that Israel still does not possess to this day.Here in lies the blood feud,the elder brothers believe they should have inherited the land which in actuality is how it is normally done.

For whatever reason,be it religious or whatever both groups are entitled to live on the land yet both seem to think its theirs and only theirs.

Abraham this is all your fault.
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WTF is this shit?

There was no Is-ra-HELL before 1947 either!

So, who occupied that land?
British?!!?

Haha...Yea right.
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stfu Hey Clueless!......Muzzies only want whats not theirs.
This is widely know...You know it ...you anti Semite
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"There was no Israel before 1947".

The name Israel goes back to the time of Abraham I have yet to find any reference to Palestine.One can argue that it's Philistine but that was conquered land.
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the messiah came to the jews already and they killed him
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the messiah came to the jews already and they killed him
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*cough*
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the messiah came to the jews already and they killed him
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*cough*
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Technically the Romans killed him the Jews just didn't stop them.
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Palestinian are the original inhabitant of the land and long before Moses they are descendant of the Phoenicians who lived in that region. They are the real native population of the land before the exodus
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LOl this thread is ridiculous.

Op you're a dumbas as Palastine has existed for more than 2000 years.

but who neesd histry when you have propaganda.
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FLAG: [link to en.wikipedia.org]

The land west of the Jordan River, known as Palestine, was under direct British administration until 1948.

Following its occupation by British troops in 1917–1918, Palestine was governed by the Occupied Enemy Territory Administration.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

The Balfour Declaration (dated 2 November 1917) was a letter from the United Kingdom's Foreign Secretary Arthur James Balfour to Baron Rothschild (Walter Rothschild, 2nd Baron Rothschild), a leader of the British Jewish community, for transmission to the Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

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A lot of people on GLP are very confused as to the "Palestinian" question. Here, read up -

There is no such thing as ‘Palestine’ nor ‘Palestinian people’

Before the state was declared in 1948 the word ‘Palestinian’ was used by the British as the name for Jews who lived in the British controlled land. But the term was hi-jacked, just as the terrorists hi-jacked planes and buses in order to blow them up, in order to further their jihad against the Jewish state.

There has never been a country called ‘Palestine’ and there is no such thing as a ‘Palestinian people’. The arabs who are occupying Jewish land came to Israel in order to prevent the establishment of the Jewish state. The British Mandate gave approximately 70% of the British land to the arabs who established the states Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan. The arabs who are occupying Israel belong in Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan and should be motivated, either monetarily or physically, to move away from the Jewish state.

[link to mytorah.wordpress.com]

[link to www.wnd.com]

[link to www.factsandlogic.org]
 Quoting: Carshy McCarsh





AHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAH

IBN Khaldum lived in the 1300's and frequently referred to the area as "Palestine"


If you believe that shit you're peddling, I suggest a 3rd grade world geography class for you sweety.
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"There was no Israel before 1947".

The name Israel goes back to the time of Abraham I have yet to find any reference to Palestine.One can argue that it's Philistine but that was conquered land.
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Probably cause you haven't looked.

Try picking up a book from known scholars from the Middle East from 0-2000


Infact Oh gee...


Herodotus of Greece mentioned it all through his journals as well in the 5th century...

Wow fail again..


Keep swinging you Pinocchio looking knuckle heads.... You might finally get one..
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This is interesting:

STONE AGE SKELETONS FOUND AT PALESTINE.

LONDON, Nov. ll, 1945

It is now revealed that Stone Age skeletons of men unlike any other prehistoric race were found between 1929 and 1934 at the western foot of Mount Carmel during excavations at Waeielmughara (the Valley of Caves), says "The Times" correspondent at Jerusalem. A joint expedition of the British School of Archaeology at Jerusalem and the American school of Prehistoric He search ( discovered eight skeletons, of which four were almost complete. They are the remains of Palestine Stone Age inhabitants who tilled the soil thousands of years before Elijah reached the summit of Mount Carmel.

klick for actual newspaper article and more:
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STONE AGE SKELETONS FOUND TS PALESTINE.

LONDON, Nov. ll 1945

It i now revealed that Stone Age skeletons of men unlike any other prehistoric race were found between 1929 and 1934 at the western foot of Mount Carmel during excavations at Waeielmughara (the Valley of Caves), says "The Times" correspondent at Jerusalem. A joint expedition of the British School of Archaeology at Jerusalem and the American school of Prehistoric He search ( discovered eight skeletons, of which four were almost complete. They are the remains of Palestine Stone Age inhabitants who tilled the soil thousands of years before Elijah reached the summit of Mount Carmel.


[link to trove.nla.gov.au]
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check this points:

1-Palestinians are the newest of all the peoples on the face of the Earth,they are not any ancient people, but claim to be. They were born in a single day, after a war that lasted six days in 1967.If they were Philistines, they would claim back the Isle of Crete from Greece and would recognize that they have nothing to do with the Land of Israel.

2-In the 2nd century c.e., the last attempt of the Jews to achieve independence from the Roman Empire ended with the well-known event of Masada, that is historically documented and universally recognized as the fact that determined the Jewish Diaspora in a definitive way. The Land where these things happened was until then the province known as Judæa , and there is no mention of any place called "Palestine" before that time. The Roman emperor Hadrian was utterly upset with the Jewish Nation and wanted to erase the name of Israel and Judah from the face of the Earth.He decided to replace the denomination of that Roman province and resorted to ancient history in order to find a name that might appear appropriate, and found that an extinct people that was unknown in Roman times, called "Philistines", was once dwelling in that area and were enemies of the Israelites. Therefore, according to Latin spelling, he invented the new name: "Palæstina", a name that would be also hateful for the Jews as it reminded them their old foes......................

continue reading..........
and get your own conclusions

[link to www.imninalu.net]

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It's so interesting to see the debates and arguments going on here, on this forum, is on such a small scale. Yet the foundation of these arguments/debates are EXACTLY what the foundation of the arguments/debates that Palestine and Israel are exchanging.

Makes you wonder that if you can take the foundations of two sides of an argument so large that it's: causing war, causing innocent people to die, forcing people to leave their home/country, etc. and boil it down to the small entity that is GLP where everyone thinks what they think is right; maybe we should all just stop and think.

We are arguing the same thing that these two "countries" (you know why it's in quotes :P) are arguing about, yet we aren't killing people or going to war. Why does it have to come down to that?

I don't know. I'm not siding with either of them because I just don't know the WHOLE story. I'm just talking my mind and hopefully what I said makes sense.

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With the logic you are portraying in this topic OP you could say that the Normans/vikings can reclaim the US saying it was Norwegian before.

Of course you will simply deny any Indians were living there ever.
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A lot of people on GLP are very confused as to the "Palestinian" question. Here, read up -

There is no such thing as ‘Palestine’ nor ‘Palestinian people’

Before the state was declared in 1948 the word ‘Palestinian’ was used by the British as the name for Jews who lived in the British controlled land. But the term was hi-jacked, just as the terrorists hi-jacked planes and buses in order to blow them up, in order to further their jihad against the Jewish state.

There has never been a country called ‘Palestine’ and there is no such thing as a ‘Palestinian people’. The arabs who are occupying Jewish land came to Israel in order to prevent the establishment of the Jewish state. The British Mandate gave approximately 70% of the British land to the arabs who established the states Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan. The arabs who are occupying Israel belong in Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan and should be motivated, either monetarily or physically, to move away from the Jewish state.

[link to mytorah.wordpress.com]

[link to www.wnd.com]

[link to www.factsandlogic.org]
 Quoting: Carshy McCarsh


FINALLY! Someone who has studied some legit history! Bless you!
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With the logic you are portraying in this topic OP you could say that the Normans/vikings can reclaim the US saying it was Norwegian before.

Of course you will simply deny any Indians were living there ever.
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Yes, that argument could be made. However, before the Vikings and the Irish, there were the Romans, and possibly the Chinese.

As to the Indians, who did they steal this land from and massacre? There were prior inhabitants. And the Indians, themselves in their oral histories acknowledge that as well as the Indian genocide of those prior inhabitants.
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check this points:

1-Palestinians are the newest of all the peoples on the face of the Earth,they are not any ancient people, but claim to be. They were born in a single day, after a war that lasted six days in 1967.If they were Philistines, they would claim back the Isle of Crete from Greece and would recognize that they have nothing to do with the Land of Israel.

2-In the 2nd century c.e., the last attempt of the Jews to achieve independence from the Roman Empire ended with the well-known event of Masada, that is historically documented and universally recognized as the fact that determined the Jewish Diaspora in a definitive way. The Land where these things happened was until then the province known as Judæa , and there is no mention of any place called "Palestine" before that time. The Roman emperor Hadrian was utterly upset with the Jewish Nation and wanted to erase the name of Israel and Judah from the face of the Earth.He decided to replace the denomination of that Roman province and resorted to ancient history in order to find a name that might appear appropriate, and found that an extinct people that was unknown in Roman times, called "Philistines", was once dwelling in that area and were enemies of the Israelites. Therefore, according to Latin spelling, he invented the new name: "Palæstina", a name that would be also hateful for the Jews as it reminded them their old foes......................

continue reading..........
and get your own conclusions

[link to www.imninalu.net]

secretspeacecool2
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Just listen to him. If you don't believe a word he says, go do the research yourself. Jews lived side by side with Palestinians prior 1948. And then, Palestine had Sharia law. Jews had no problem as they were treated as equal.
Let us not forget, Christians were the ones persecuting Jews for century upon century, not Muslims.

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"There was no Israel before 1947".

The name Israel goes back to the time of Abraham I have yet to find any reference to Palestine.One can argue that it's Philistine but that was conquered land.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15292827


Probably cause you haven't looked.

Try picking up a book from known scholars from the Middle East from 0-2000


Infact Oh gee...


Herodotus of Greece mentioned it all through his journals as well in the 5th century...

Wow fail again..


Keep swinging you Pinocchio looking knuckle heads.... You might finally get one..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23106908


Some attempt to use Herodotus to prove that the land of Israel was called "Palestine" in 450 BC. This is a mistake. History shows that it was Hadrian who renamed the land of Israel "Palestine" in 135 AD. Hadrian's intent was to wipe out all traces of the Jews.
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"There was no Israel before 1947".

The name Israel goes back to the time of Abraham I have yet to find any reference to Palestine.One can argue that it's Philistine but that was conquered land.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15292827


Probably cause you haven't looked.

Try picking up a book from known scholars from the Middle East from 0-2000


Infact Oh gee...


Herodotus of Greece mentioned it all through his journals as well in the 5th century...

Wow fail again..


Keep swinging you Pinocchio looking knuckle heads.... You might finally get one..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23106908


Some attempt to use Herodotus to prove that the land of Israel was called "Palestine" in 450 BC. This is a mistake. History shows that it was Hadrian who renamed the land of Israel "Palestine" in 135 AD. Hadrian's intent was to wipe out all traces of the Jews.
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Just debating here. But if it was renamed "Palestine" in 135 AD that gives the Jewish people right to overtake the land because they used to own it over 2,000 years ago?

That just seems silly to me.
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"There was no Israel before 1947".

The name Israel goes back to the time of Abraham I have yet to find any reference to Palestine.One can argue that it's Philistine but that was conquered land.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15292827


Probably cause you haven't looked.

Try picking up a book from known scholars from the Middle East from 0-2000


Infact Oh gee...


Herodotus of Greece mentioned it all through his journals as well in the 5th century...

Wow fail again..


Keep swinging you Pinocchio looking knuckle heads.... You might finally get one..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23106908


Some attempt to use Herodotus to prove that the land of Israel was called "Palestine" in 450 BC. This is a mistake. History shows that it was Hadrian who renamed the land of Israel "Palestine" in 135 AD. Hadrian's intent was to wipe out all traces of the Jews.
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Going by certain GLPers logic then, it still belongs to Palestinians...

People are saying '... conquered it so it's theirs'. I disagree with this, however this is how many 'Pro-Israeli's' are saying which completely contradicts the fact that Jews were conquered beforehand.

It's all a bullshit circle. Why not just live peacefully?
Before the Jews emigrated to Palestine, the Jews already there lived peacefully among Muslims.

Even now, there are many cities that have Muslims and Jews living side by side. How hard can it bloody be?
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Darlin' at one time there were no Californians or New Yorkers, either, but there is history in this and we would not like being displaced.
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"There was no Israel before 1947".

The name Israel goes back to the time of Abraham I have yet to find any reference to Palestine.One can argue that it's Philistine but that was conquered land.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15292827


Probably cause you haven't looked.

Try picking up a book from known scholars from the Middle East from 0-2000


Infact Oh gee...


Herodotus of Greece mentioned it all through his journals as well in the 5th century...

Wow fail again..


Keep swinging you Pinocchio looking knuckle heads.... You might finally get one..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23106908


Some attempt to use Herodotus to prove that the land of Israel was called "Palestine" in 450 BC. This is a mistake. History shows that it was Hadrian who renamed the land of Israel "Palestine" in 135 AD. Hadrian's intent was to wipe out all traces of the Jews.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15292827


Just debating here. But if it was renamed "Palestine" in 135 AD that gives the Jewish people right to overtake the land because they used to own it over 2,000 years ago?

That just seems silly to me.
 Quoting: upgrad3


It's really silly all around.

That means Native Americans can kick all you other Americans out. Italy (Rome) can take over all of Europe, North Africa, much of West Asia. Turkey can conquer North Africa, parts of Asia and Europe. China can conquer east Asia.

If Israel can do it, they should as well. They owned it thousands of years ago.
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WTF is this shit?

There was no Is-ra-HELL before 1947 either!

So, who occupied that land?
British?!!?

Haha...Yea right.
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there have been three Israel's Dipshit dumbfuck!!
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Yeah ''Palestine'' is a artificialy created concept. Just like Israel. And USA. And all the other countries
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True. Borders are imaginary lines on a map created by military commanders and political leaders in order to control everyone and inspire "patriotism" in order to wage wars. We are all one human race and we also all live on the same chunk of rock doing hulu hoops around the sun.
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Let us not forget, Christians were the ones persecuting Jews for century upon century, not Muslims.
 Quoting: Botanator

The period the Bible covers has it the other way around and after that we (Christians) persecuted everybody even ourselves when no common enemy could be found and that hasn't changed all that much even today. We are not anti-Semitic we are anti-life (more or less)

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