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There is no such thing as ‘Palestine’ nor ‘Palestinian people’

 
Mahala

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Let us not forget, Christians were the ones persecuting Jews for century upon century, not Muslims.
 Quoting: Botanator

The period the Bible covers has it the other way around and after that we (Christians) persecuted everybody even ourselves when no common enemy could be found and that hasn't changed all that much even today. We are not anti-Semitic we are anti-life (more or less)
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I believe in most of the bible. My mom being Catholic use to say to us "What if some conspirator actually wrote the bible as a story and us idiots are following it." Not to derail any ones religion, I don't care what you follow, as long as you can get along with your neighbor and be a good pillar to any society you live in.
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Re: There is no such thing as ‘Palestine’ nor ‘Palestinian people’
Anyway, I don't have a "side", as I pointed out. I'm much more concerned about MY house, MY neighborhood, and MY country.


I just think it is an interesting issue.

Personally, I don't think the Zionists NOR the Arabs are truly entitled either way. Nor can anyone "prove" who is entitled.

I do feel injustices being caused on BOTH sides.

I also personally know Jews and Muslims alike (not many, but yes Ive met a few of each), who don't take either side.

This is a struggle of power. Zionists vs. Muslim extremists. Not Jew vs. Arab, as everyone thinks. They are just caught in the struggle.


Like when the US went to war in Iraq. That doesn't mean the whole American population wanted to take over, or fight in Iraq. Nor did the civilians in Iraq want a conflict. It was 2 world powers, struggling with each other, and a bunch of everyday people caught in the crossfire (thankfully not so much over on OUR soil, thank GOD)
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great post.
thanks.
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Re: There is no such thing as ‘Palestine’ nor ‘Palestinian people’
A lot of people on GLP are very confused as to the "Palestinian" question. Here, read up -

There is no such thing as ‘Palestine’ nor ‘Palestinian people’

Before the state was declared in 1948 the word ‘Palestinian’ was used by the British as the name for Jews who lived in the British controlled land. But the term was hi-jacked, just as the terrorists hi-jacked planes and buses in order to blow them up, in order to further their jihad against the Jewish state.

There has never been a country called ‘Palestine’ and there is no such thing as a ‘Palestinian people’. The arabs who are occupying Jewish land came to Israel in order to prevent the establishment of the Jewish state. The British Mandate gave approximately 70% of the British land to the arabs who established the states Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan. The arabs who are occupying Israel belong in Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan and should be motivated, either monetarily or physically, to move away from the Jewish state.

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OP are you Jewish ?
Are you married to a Jew ?
Do you have Jewish friends ?

What is your agenda here ?
peace
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Re: There is no such thing as ‘Palestine’ nor ‘Palestinian people’
...


Probably cause you haven't looked.

Try picking up a book from known scholars from the Middle East from 0-2000


Infact Oh gee...


Herodotus of Greece mentioned it all through his journals as well in the 5th century...

Wow fail again..


Keep swinging you Pinocchio looking knuckle heads.... You might finally get one..
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Some attempt to use Herodotus to prove that the land of Israel was called "Palestine" in 450 BC. This is a mistake. History shows that it was Hadrian who renamed the land of Israel "Palestine" in 135 AD. Hadrian's intent was to wipe out all traces of the Jews.
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Just debating here. But if it was renamed "Palestine" in 135 AD that gives the Jewish people right to overtake the land because they used to own it over 2,000 years ago?

That just seems silly to me.
 Quoting: upgrad3


It's really silly all around.

That means Native Americans can kick all you other Americans out. Italy (Rome) can take over all of Europe, North Africa, much of West Asia. Turkey can conquer North Africa, parts of Asia and Europe. China can conquer east Asia.

If Israel can do it, they should as well. They owned it thousands of years ago.
 Quoting: Botanator




SO many people have brought up this point in this thread alone, and yet Carshy McGee or whatever refuses to actually sit with that idea.

The first person who mentioned it, he told them to create their OWN thread. Then I mentioned it, and he tried to joke about it a little bit. No reply yet to the others who have mentioned it (although he did say he was leaving to go enjoy Thanksgiving).



The point is more valid than any other part of this argument.


If the Zionists have a right to kick all Arabs out of the newly (1948) created state of Israel, and the Gaza strip, because thousands of years ago a group of people who they may, or may NOT be related to, once occupied it.....then so too should the Native Americans be able to kick all other settlers out of the US.

His argument then says "well, the native americans dont have any land deeds! The arabs don't either!"

That simple, childish thinking alone is his justification for war and murder?



Anyway you slice it, this WHOLE thread was created for him to insult people who don't agree with his beliefs. He has tried every method in the book of belittling them. It is so silly, lol.


Neither are "entitled" to the land. Nobody is entitled to shit in this world, some people just have bigger weapons than others. Isn't that honestly just the case?
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op is a grown man with kids. hes on here trolling. those poor kids with a twisted dad.
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ROFLMAO!
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I believe in most of the bible. My mom being Catholic use to say to us "What if some conspirator actually wrote the bible as a story and us idiots are following it." Not to derail any ones religion, I don't care what you follow, as long as you can get along with your neighbor and be a good pillar to any society you live in.
 Quoting: Mahala

Ask your Mom (or yourself) if God is giving us the area of dry land on the planet in these two verses.

Jer:25:26:
And all the kings of the north,
far and near,
one with another,
and all the kingdoms of the world,
which are upon the face of the earth:
and the king of Sheshach shall drink after them.

Re:6:8:
And I looked,
and behold a pale horse:
and his name that sat on him was Death,
and Hell followed with him.
And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth,
to kill with sword,
and with hunger,
and with death,
and with the beasts of the earth.

This seal prophecy covers the 5th and 6th trumps, 5 is hell on earth and 6 is death because 1/3 of mankind will bite the dust in 1110 days.
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op is a grown man with kids. hes on here trolling. those poor kids with a twisted dad.
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ROFLMAO!
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Let's keep him entertained on this thread so the children are spared his interaction. lol ..... wait that would sort of apply to me also
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"There was no Israel before 1947".

The name Israel goes back to the time of Abraham I have yet to find any reference to Palestine.One can argue that it's Philistine but that was conquered land.
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Probably cause you haven't looked.

Try picking up a book from known scholars from the Middle East from 0-2000


Infact Oh gee...


Herodotus of Greece mentioned it all through his journals as well in the 5th century...

Wow fail again..


Keep swinging you Pinocchio looking knuckle heads.... You might finally get one..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23106908


Some attempt to use Herodotus to prove that the land of Israel was called "Palestine" in 450 BC. This is a mistake. History shows that it was Hadrian who renamed the land of Israel "Palestine" in 135 AD. Hadrian's intent was to wipe out all traces of the Jews.
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Hold on a sec.... some refer to Herodotus because in the discipline of ancient history, one studies the written past from the beginning of recorded human history to the Early Middle Ages, of which Herodotus is one of the more notable ancient writers.

Herodotus 3.5.1 clearly states in the 5th Century BC:

"the country from Phoenicia to the borders of the city Cadytis [Gaza] belongs to the people called the Palestine Syrians"
(Ref: Perseus for the Greek/Rawlinson translation

and

"The Phenicians and the Syrians who dwell in Palestine"

(Ref: Macauley translation

When Emperor Hadrian renamed Provincia Judea to Provincia Syria Palaestina, did he just pull that name out of a hat? or was he referring to an already, historically known name for the region? Historians do not believe he pulled it out of a hat.

His intent was to "wipe out all traces of the jews"? Is that on record somewhere?

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The fact is the land of current day Israel belonged to nomadic tribes that belonged to both the Jewish faith and Islamic faith so the land belongs to both of them equally. The problem is caused by outside negative influences who feel they deserve the land more than the other because their deity says so.

We can even go further back and link all of this to a blood feud but neither side wants to admit they are of the same blood.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15292827


Well, finally the truth will out!
If the UN has the authority to give Palestinian lands away to the Zionists maybe Americans had better start learning to speak the language of the Sioux or Cherokee or any of the tribes that were here first. Shall we wait for the destruction of our vineyards, orchards and agricultural land as was done in that supposedly "uninhabited" land. Of course people don't inhabit their vinyards and groves, they were used for production...like we don't inhabit our corn fields and wheat fields. Oops no body living there so now they're not your's they're mine. Check the agriculural statistics of the land in the years preceding the Zionist's
establishment. This should tell you whether or not the land was inhabited, and by whom. Yes, Jews, Arabs and Christians inhabited the land together mostly in peace until the Political Zionists (not the real Jewish people) decided they would take the land for their own. They have been intent on obliterating the Palestinians ever since.
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I believe in most of the bible. My mom being Catholic use to say to us "What if some conspirator actually wrote the bible as a story and us idiots are following it." Not to derail any ones religion, I don't care what you follow, as long as you can get along with your neighbor and be a good pillar to any society you live in.
 Quoting: Mahala

Ask your Mom (or yourself) if God is giving us the area of dry land on the planet in these two verses.

Jer:25:26:
And all the kings of the north,
far and near,
one with another,
and all the kingdoms of the world,
which are upon the face of the earth:
and the king of Sheshach shall drink after them.

Re:6:8:
And I looked,
and behold a pale horse:
and his name that sat on him was Death,
and Hell followed with him.
And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth,
to kill with sword,
and with hunger,
and with death,
and with the beasts of the earth.

This seal prophecy covers the 5th and 6th trumps, 5 is hell on earth and 6 is death because 1/3 of mankind will bite the dust in 1110 days.
 Quoting: MHz

again, if you believe and live by this to better yourself so be it, which you quoting this obvious you're living and waiting for death instead of celebrating life. The bible has been written and rewritten into so many languages and by different people with their own take, whether it is truth or to F'n scare you into what would happen. Give me a break. You still have some Indians somewhere in the world that needs to be educated by your belief and become instinct. All religions have one thing, live together in peace, not to die by it. If you really want to go there, what of all the people that have died before being educated on religion, are their souls in hell because you didn't rescue them?
Vincent Price - “A man who limits his interests, limits his life.”
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the messiah came to the jews already and they killed him
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Actually a handful of Torahless religious elite were complicit to the death of Mashiyach, but it was done by the Roman/babel government.

Please remember, the original followers of Yeshua were Torah observant Yehudim.

Also, the Mashiyach gave his life for mankind. Technically, it was NOT taken. Plus, Mashiyach rose from the dead, conquering death for ALL peoples and triumphing over hasatan, the Torahless elite, and the system of babel.

Shalom,
Eliyah Ben Yisrael
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The fact is the land of current day Israel belonged to nomadic tribes that belonged to both the Jewish faith and Islamic faith so the land belongs to both of them equally. The problem is caused by outside negative influences who feel they deserve the land more than the other because their deity says so.

We can even go further back and link all of this to a blood feud but neither side wants to admit they are of the same blood.
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K let me put a fork in this it's done.

Palestine DOES NOT exist and the fact they are still pushing for it to become a state proves my point.Now on to the real issue and this being nothing more than a blood feud.

This topic goes back to the time of Abraham,his sons and what was promised to whom.I'm not going to get into everybody because there are just too many so I will split this into 2 groups the Israelis and the Arabs. Abraham had many sons and to simplify this the sons of Jacob and Issac were the youngest and they along with their descendents were called the sons of Israel and Esau and Ishmael were the elder sons from a different mother and considered as Arabs.

From this we know the Israeli line and Arab line all stem from Abraham so they are of the same blood.The problem arose when Abraham inherited to his youngest sons the land that is now Israel and quite a bit more that Israel still does not possess to this day.Here in lies the blood feud,the elder brothers believe they should have inherited the land which in actuality is how it is normally done.

For whatever reason,be it religious or whatever both groups are entitled to live on the land yet both seem to think its theirs and only theirs.

Abraham this is all your fault.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15292827


I beg to differ with you, in my family bible which predates world war 2 there is a country labeled Palestine where Israel is now.
As far as I am concerned the religious aspect of it and who was left what in the "bible" has absolutely nothing to do with the present day.

If we want to return everyone to where they originated the jews would have to leave and I am afraid to have tell you the Palestinians you claim don't exist would take back the land called Israel. The Palestinians are the true native people and the Ashkenazim have absolutely no legitimatize claim to that land. This argument is so stupid I can't believe anyone has the audacity to write history the way they want it to sound. The area has went by many names throughout history but never Israel until post ww2. There was never this continuous conflict in the area until the Russian and European jews stole the land. This area of the world is important to all three of the religions derived from Judaism and all of them should have equal unfettered access and rights throughout the 'holyland'. The problem is caused by the Ashkenazim, who are Khazar imposters and have no business whatsoever being in Palestine.

Now if you want to fight a real moral battle of right and wrong perhaps instead of concentrating on the poor oppressed jews and their fucking twisted fairy tales, maybe you should put some honest thought into the millions of Native Americans in our own country that got screwed out of their land because Washington DC did not honor it's treaties and simply stole the land and committed genocide.

Then when you get done thinking about that, think about the millions of Russians exterminated by the Bolshevik jews and the inquisitions, and all of the people who have been murdered or oppressed because religion makes people think they are special. The jews know they aren't god's chosen people, you know that don't you?.
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Yes, there is NO such thing as "palestinians", no former currency, no such entity ever existed, etc.

But, this does NOT mean that the Arabs or whatever ethnicity they are that call themselves "palestinians" should be treated as they are treated.

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Palestinian are the original inhabitant of the land and long before Moses they are descendant of the Phoenicians who lived in that region. They are the real native population of the land before the exodus
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They came from Mars.
Anyone can make up any bullshit and post it.
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Carshy McCarsh (OP)

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the messiah came to the jews already and they killed him
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Actually a handful of Torahless religious elite were complicit to the death of Mashiyach, but it was done by the Roman/babel government.

Please remember, the original followers of Yeshua were Torah observant Yehudim.

Also, the Mashiyach gave his life for mankind. Technically, it was NOT taken. Plus, Mashiyach rose from the dead, conquering death for ALL peoples and triumphing over hasatan, the Torahless elite, and the system of babel.

Shalom,
Eliyah Ben Yisrael
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clappa
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Thread fail...again.
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There's no such thing as "God's chosen people" either.

Stop spreading propaganda and do some REAL RESEARCH.
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All you have done is insult the OP then throw out an opinion not related to the topic presented perhaps if you performed some “real research” you might better address the issue.
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Now if you want to fight a real moral battle of right and wrong perhaps instead of concentrating on the poor oppressed jews and their fucking twisted fairy tales, maybe you should put some honest thought into the millions of Native Americans in our own country that got screwed out of their land because Washington DC did not honor it's treaties and simply stole the land and committed genocide.
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Do you own a home? Let's see you give it up then. And all your family's homes as well.

Then when you get done thinking about that, think about the millions of Russians exterminated by the Bolshevik jews and the inquisitions, and all of the people who have been murdered or oppressed because religion makes people think they are special. The jews know they aren't god's chosen people, you know that don't you?.
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What happened in Bosnia was tribal, not religious. Ethnic cleansing...don't confuse ethnicity with religiosity.
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The historical argument is laughable, or else we can say that there is no such thing as 'United States of America' nor 'US citizen'.
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The historical argument is laughable, or else we can say that there is no such thing as 'United States of America' nor 'US citizen'.
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hugo1

Shut the Fu*k up your French.
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And the LORD spake, saying, "First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin, then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it." Amen.
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In Herodotus’ ‘History’ we read that the Philistines once inhabited the southern coast of today’s Israel. They lived in a region spoken of in the Old Testament as Peleshet, a Hebrew name, often translated as: Land of the Philistines, Philistia or Palestine (see for example: Genesis 21:32, Isaiah 14:29 and Psalm 60:8)
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There was a Palastinian brigade in the British army in the 2nd world war. But they were all Jewish.
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There was a Palastinian brigade in the British army in the 2nd world war. But they were all Jewish.
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The British tendency to call Israel "Palestine" was covered quite thoroughly earlier in this thread.
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