There is no such thing as ‘Palestine’ nor ‘Palestinian people’

That's because there are two little bitches who know how to change your IP addresses and 1 star a thread.

It just means you're a vandal, not that the thread isn't valuable.

and you're a sniveling little snitch too!

what a wonderful human being you are...I bet you have lots of friends to celebrate Thanksgiving with!

Fact.

Yup, I do! The wife and kids are in the kitchen making a great meal together! Rest of the family is due to arrive in a couple of hours, then it's all on!

That's what families whose parents aren't in prison do, so you wouldn't know about it!



Shalom!

The real question is why are the zionists so obsessed with controlling this area?
wouldn't it have make much more sense that they seetled in some random state in america, whom came to their rescure in WW2, or simply go back to russia where they came from before seetlng in germany and all over europe. Why choice the middle east?

What good did they actually think would come out of that, there gotta be some agenda behind that decision, other than their own thousand year old self written propheties. All the misery that have come from this, to both their own and the muslims, let alone the trail this conflict have left all over the world. it doesn't make any sense.

And who are the people behind the zionist movement we always hear about on sites like this, how did they became so powerful that they pretty much control the whole western world, and how is it that noone actually know anything about them. Ask any random person at work if they know about the zionists and they will stare back with a blank look. I dunno what to think of it all.

That's funny because if I look at a map of the world pre world war 2 there is a big country called palestine, what's also funny is nowhere on the map is a place called israel.

According to you mapmakers 70 years ago were wrong

What you are posting is pure propoganda.

Because they own it.

You can't read.

What´s the purpose of this debate? clarify who has the right to exterminate the other?

the truth is that Palestine exists .. even if our intellect .. since you guys are so educated, I quote Anselm of Canterbury (a great great philosopher)

".. But surely, When this same Fool hears what I am speaking about, Namely," something-than-which-nothing-greater-can-be-thought , "he Understands what he hears, and he Understands what is in his mind, even if he does not understand That it actually exists. for it is one thing for an object to exist in the mind, and another thing to understand That an object actually exists. Thus, When the painter plans beforehand what he is going to run, he has [the picture] in his mind, but he does not yet think That it actually exists because he has not yet executed it. However, When he has actually painted it, then he has it in his ambos mind and Understands That It exists because he has now made it. Even the Fool, then, is forced to agree That something-than-which-nothing-greatercan-be-thought exists in the mind, since he Understands When he hears this it, is Understood and whatever is in the mind. and surely that-than-which-a-greater-cannotbe-thought can not exist in the mind alone. Solely For if it exists in the mind even, it can be thought to exist in reality also, Which Is greater. If then that-than-which-cannot-be-agreater-thought exists in the mind alone, this same that-than-which-a-greater-cannot-be-thought is that-than-which-a-greater-can-be-thought. But this is obviously impossible. Therefore there is absolutely in doubt That something-than-which-a-greater-cannot-be-thought ambos exists in the mind and in reality."

So..?

I'm Blackfoot/French Canadian, born in Wa. Timeline; Washington= no name=1543 claimed by Spain=1579 claimed by England=1775 claimed by Spain again=1818 US and Britain agree to joint occupy=1823 Monroe Doctrine=1843 Great Migration=1871 - Indian Appropriations Act states that Indians are no longer considered sovereign nations but wards of the federal government.=1854 Walla Walla county formed.
1889 - Washington becomes the 42nd state.

So with this am I called a what? American, just because my ancestors didn't have a name for a country or they did and someone over wrote it? I'm an American Washatonian Oregonian? Hell I can even add the counties to this.

I live in Oregon now so that's why I threw that part in.. Stupid to go by history books and the bible. We know history books don't always tell the truth and the bible I won't go there. That in itself is supposedly re-re-re-re-written so many times through peoples interpretation.

So arguing over something unless you want to start with DNA and than be able to figure out from there exactly who is who...This argument can go any way. Palestinian can be a name such as Washatonian and Oregonian or it could actually be a tribe like the Blackfoot. Either way you all are loosing it..Just my 2cents..

So let's not get into the technicalities and just stay on the main point. According to OP, there were no Arabs in the land known as Palestine before the British announced they were going to give it away to the Jews, who were the main inhabitants of that area, and that the Arabs only came to the area to ruin the Jewish state.

One wonders where to begin in deconstructing this ridiculous assertion. Any reader of history would know what the OP is saying is blatantly false, but to those who are not so aware of the region's history, let's take a look at a few historical points:

1) Before the British took Palestine, the area was ruled by the Turks as part of the Ottoman empire. After the Ottomans defeat in World war 1, the areas they controlled were divided among the British and French according as set by the infamous Sykes–Picot agreement, and hence the British got Palestine.

During Ottoman times, Palestine was happily inhabited by many people of different ethnicity (religion, not race, is what officially distinguished people at that time). The majority living in Palestine were Muslims and Christians who spoke Arabic (and hence were Arab, since "Arab" as a term covers a cultural group defined by their language). It is absurd to suggest that a large patch of fertile land like Palestine, especially which holds extremely religious significance to Muslims and Christians, would be left alone solely to the Jews.

2) If OP's assertions were true, there would be no 1948 Arabs (Palestinians who stayed on the land despite Israeli attempts to kick them out). The majority of Palestinians fled their lands following Israelis massacres (such as Deir Yassin) and propaganda campaigns. If the Arabs came to Palestine specifically to ruin the Jewish state, then it would have made no sense for them to flee.


If you still insist on believing OP's lie that there were no Arabs in Palestine, then please explain this video:

Same could be said about the term Jewish, Jews op. There were no Jewish people 2000 yrs ago. It was 2 houses. Judah and Israel. So how is Israel a Jewish state? And we have no idea if the right lineage of people occupy Israel as of today. There's no proof of these so called Jews which tribes they descend from. Not saying you're wrong on the Palestinian people but just recognize the Jews have the same dilemma too.

Palestinians and jews have IDENTICAL GENETICS ...

Jews killing & murdering their own kind ....

on mere religion believes ..

You have a warped perception of what has been going on in the Palestinian region since 48. Paestinian "ARABS" have been forced out of their homes when many of them lived in these places for generations.

If you were forcibly removed from your land by an occupying force, I'd bet my left testicle you wouldn't "want them coming home" either.

Keep turning a blind eye, because of your religious beliefs. You are an ignorant fool, if you can't see that millions of Arabs have been displaced since the creation of the state of Israel.

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No, it's a matter of private property and ownership law.

trans Jordon

jordan i mean duh

as i said before.. portugal and spain owned half the world.. after signing "Tratado de Tordesilhas" maybe we should claim some nations as ours... germany first.. they´re rich..

And the homes they lived in were built on land stolen from Jews. They made bad decisions betting that the owners of the stolen land would never return. They lost.

Sick burn.

Denmark huh? Before you make statements like this, why don't you check your own history and see where it was the Americans who rescued your ass from the Nazis in WWII as well. Let's just uproot you and bring you to some other part of the World and see how you like it. Or....by chance would you start defending your position based on your ancestor's history going back over 10,000 years?

so much of the worlds troubles have been breed by colonialism

So many of the world's troubles have been bred by lack of historical education and a ridiculous entitlement mentality.

Who did the chosen people of G-d steel it from?

Zing!

They stole it from your spelling teacher.

example... please provide example

OP who owned your property before the English got there. I say it wasn't you or your family, SO LET THE AMERICAN INDIANS HAVE IT BACK. I SAY RISE MY BROTHERS AND SISTER AND GET OP'S PROPERTY AND TAKE BACK WHAT IS TRULY OURS.. How redundant op.. Your argument is stupid.