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70% of French people favor establishment of Islamic parties: Poll

 
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Islam is the second-most widely practiced religion in France behind Roman Catholicism by number of worshippers, with an estimated total of 5 to 10 percent of the national population
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My last post was about study from end of 2011.
Here is the one from october :
[link to www.ifop.com]

page 26 :

L’hostilité à une représentation de l’Islam dans le champ politique

Hostility to an islamic representation in the political field

Question : Seriez-vous hostile ou non à … ?

Would you be hostile or not to ... ?

L’existence de partis politiques ou de syndicats se référant à l’Islam ...Vous etes hostile : 68% / Vous n'êtes pas hosile : 23% / Vous ne savez pas : 9%

The existence of islamic political party or union....You are hostile : 68% / You are not hostile : 23% / You don't know :9%
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Either they deliberately lie, either they mistranslate the results.
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It is PressTV ... an iranian run and financed station.
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aha!

quelle surprise. more llies lies lies lies and propaganda
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An Interior ministry source in l'Islam dans la République (Haut Conseil à l'intégration, November 2000, p. 26) published the following estimated distribution of Muslims by affiliated countries:
Algeria 1,550,000
Morocco 1,000,000
Tunisia 350,000
Turkey 315,000
Sub-Saharan Africa 250,000
Middle East 100,000
remaining Asia (mostly Pakistan and Bangladesh) 100,000
Converts 40,000
illegal immigrants or awaiting regularisation 350,000
Other 100,000
Total 4,155,000

That was 12 years ago, 10% of frances population is 6.2 million now
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My last post was about study from end of 2011.
Here is the one from october :
[link to www.ifop.com]

page 26 :

L’hostilité à une représentation de l’Islam dans le champ politique

Hostility to an islamic representation in the political field

Question : Seriez-vous hostile ou non à … ?

Would you be hostile or not to ... ?

L’existence de partis politiques ou de syndicats se référant à l’Islam ...Vous etes hostile : 68% / Vous n'êtes pas hosile : 23% / Vous ne savez pas : 9%

The existence of islamic political party or union....You are hostile : 68% / You are not hostile : 23% / You don't know :9%
------------------------------

Either they deliberately lie, either they mistranslate the results.
 Quoting: -Vod-


It is PressTV ... an iranian run and financed station.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 331367


aha!

quelle surprise. more llies lies lies lies and propaganda
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And you believe....sky news....bbc?
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its here isnt it?

just shopped in m&s and 2 of the 3 cashiers were muslim

this is a fairly affluent white neighbourhood


i can see it happening in front of my eyes
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its here isnt it?

just shopped in m&s and 2 of the 3 cashiers were muslim

this is a fairly affluent white neighbourhood


i can see it happening in front of my eyes
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ohyeah
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My last post was about study from end of 2011.
Here is the one from october :
[link to www.ifop.com]

page 26 :

L’hostilité à une représentation de l’Islam dans le champ politique

Hostility to an islamic representation in the political field

Question : Seriez-vous hostile ou non à … ?

Would you be hostile or not to ... ?

L’existence de partis politiques ou de syndicats se référant à l’Islam ...Vous etes hostile : 68% / Vous n'êtes pas hosile : 23% / Vous ne savez pas : 9%

The existence of islamic political party or union....You are hostile : 68% / You are not hostile : 23% / You don't know :9%
------------------------------

Either they deliberately lie, either they mistranslate the results.
 Quoting: -Vod-


It is PressTV ... an iranian run and financed station.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 331367


aha!

quelle surprise. more llies lies lies lies and propaganda
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And you believe....sky news....bbc?
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haha! thats funny. no. i especially detest the bbc
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It is PressTV ... an iranian run and financed station.
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aha!

quelle surprise. more llies lies lies lies and propaganda
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27667491


And you believe....sky news....bbc?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17874041


haha! thats funny. no. i especially detest the bbc
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You me both! Should be axed! hf
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its here isnt it?

just shopped in m&s and 2 of the 3 cashiers were muslim

this is a fairly affluent white neighbourhood


i can see it happening in front of my eyes
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ohyeah
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17874041


you know what one of the saddest parts of all this is?

see how i have become a 'racist'? i really couldnt give a flying fuck what colour you are BUT IVE NOTICED

ive noticed all the eastern europeans working for other eastern europeans in coffee shops

ive noticed the ninja mothers pushing double buggies with 3, 4, 5 kids in their wake


britain has always had immigration and we have always pretty much got along FINE, but this?
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aha!

quelle surprise. more llies lies lies lies and propaganda
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And you believe....sky news....bbc?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17874041


haha! thats funny. no. i especially detest the bbc
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27667491


You me both! Should be axed! hf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17874041


yep! im not paying my licence in february when it comes up for renewal
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its here isnt it?

just shopped in m&s and 2 of the 3 cashiers were muslim

this is a fairly affluent white neighbourhood


i can see it happening in front of my eyes
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ohyeah
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17874041


you know what one of the saddest parts of all this is?

see how i have become a 'racist'? i really couldnt give a flying fuck what colour you are BUT IVE NOTICED

ive noticed all the eastern europeans working for other eastern europeans in coffee shops

ive noticed the ninja mothers pushing double buggies with 3, 4, 5 kids in their wake


britain has always had immigration and we have always pretty much got along FINE, but this?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27667491


Media would like to say you are racist, you are not! YOU are observant and intelligent enough to realise. Im far from racist, but I can see society isnt "working" anymore.
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And you believe....sky news....bbc?
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haha! thats funny. no. i especially detest the bbc
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27667491


You me both! Should be axed! hf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17874041


yep! im not paying my licence in february when it comes up for renewal
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If everyone does this we can change the system, but it needs 98% of the population to grow a pair of bullocks
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its here isnt it?

just shopped in m&s and 2 of the 3 cashiers were muslim

this is a fairly affluent white neighbourhood


i can see it happening in front of my eyes
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27667491


ohyeah
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17874041


you know what one of the saddest parts of all this is?

see how i have become a 'racist'? i really couldnt give a flying fuck what colour you are BUT IVE NOTICED

ive noticed all the eastern europeans working for other eastern europeans in coffee shops

ive noticed the ninja mothers pushing double buggies with 3, 4, 5 kids in their wake


britain has always had immigration and we have always pretty much got along FINE, but this?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27667491


Media would like to say you are racist, you are not! YOU are observant and intelligent enough to realise. Im far from racist, but I can see society isnt "working" anymore.
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yep. even though islam is a system, not a race

SIGH
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haha! thats funny. no. i especially detest the bbc
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You me both! Should be axed! hf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17874041


yep! im not paying my licence in february when it comes up for renewal
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27667491


If everyone does this we can change the system, but it needs 98% of the population to grow a pair of bullocks
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17874041


i saw a youtube video the other day, some guy got let off once he told them that the contract was illegal. i dont know if this is true, but they backed off and said they would leave him be for 2 years. despite visiting him and seeing he had a working tv, which he was watching at the time

they wrote and said that they understood he didnt have a tv!
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It states 70% of the respondents

Those respondents, who took the survey, could have been composed largely of Muslims, or far leftists, that are ignorant of Islam.

The article is misleading, and don't state who these 'respondents' actually are (e.g. their background, political view, etc).
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From Dr. Peter Hammond's research and book.

Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system.

Islam has religious, legal, political, economic and military components.
The religious component is a beard for all the other components.

Islamization occurs when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to
agitate for their so-called 'religious rights.'

When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to 'the
reasonable' Muslim demands for their 'religious rights,' they also get
the other components under the table. Here's how it works (percentages
source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)).

As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country
they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to
anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped
for their colorful uniqueness:

United States -- Muslim 1.0%
Australia -- Muslim 1.5%
Canada -- Muslim 1.9%
China -- Muslim 1%-2%
Italy -- Muslim 1.5%
Norway -- Muslim 1.8%

At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and
disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street
gangs:

Denmark -- Muslim 2%
Germany -- Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%
Spain -- Muslim 4%
Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their
percentage of the population.

They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards)
food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will
increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves --
along with threats for failure to comply. (United States).

France -- Muslim 8%
Philippines -- Muslim 5%
Sweden -- Muslim 5%
Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad &Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them
to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of
Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the
entire world.

When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness
as a means of complaint about their conditions (Paris -- car-burnings).
Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and
threats (Amsterdam -- Mohammed cartoons).

Guyana -- Muslim 10%
India -- Muslim 13.4%
Israel -- Muslim 16%
Kenya -- Muslim 10%
Russia -- Muslim 10-15%

After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations,
sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:

Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%

At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and
ongoing militia warfare:

Bosnia -- Muslim 40%
Chad -- Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%

From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other
religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a
weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:

Albania -- Muslim 70%
Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%
Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%
Sudan -- Muslim 70%

After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:

Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%
Egypt -- Muslim 90%
Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%
Iran -- Muslim 98%
Iraq -- Muslim 97%
Jordan -- Muslim 92%
Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan -- Muslim 97%
Palestine -- Muslim 99%
Syria -- Muslim 90%
Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%
Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of
Peace -- there's supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim:

Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%
Somalia -- Muslim 100%
Yemen -- Muslim 99.9%

Of course, that's not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then
start killing each other for a variety of reasons.
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Muhammad vs Jesus

Said Allah hates those who don't accept Islam.
(Qur'an 30:4, 3:32, 22:38)

Said God loves everyone.
(John 3:16)


"I have been commanded to fight
against people till they testify that there
is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad
is the messenger of Allah"
(Muslim 1:33)

"He who lives by the sword
will die by the sword."
(Matthew 26:52)


Stoned women for adultery.
(Muslim 4206)

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
(John 8:7)

Permitted stealing from unbelievers.
(Bukhari 44:668, Ibn Ishaq 764)

"Thou shalt not steal."
(Matthew 19:18)


Permitted lying.
(Sahih Muslim 6303, Bukhari 49:857)

"Thou shalt not bear false witness."
(Matthew 19:18)


Owned and traded slaves.
(Sahih Muslim 3901)

Neither owned nor traded slaves.

Beheaded 800 Jewish men and boys.
(Sahih Muslim 4390)

Beheaded no one.

Murdered those who insulted him.
(Bukhari 56:369, 4:241)

Preached forgiveness.
(Matthew 18:21-22, 5:38)


"If then anyone transgresses
the prohibition against you,
Transgress ye likewise against him"
(Qur'an 2:194)

"If someone strikes you on the right
cheek, turn to him the other also."
(Matthew 5:39)


Jihad in the way of Allah elevates one's position in Paradise by a hundred fold.
(Muslim 4645)

"Blessed are the peacemakers, for
they will be called Sons of God"
(Matthew 5:9)


Married 13 wives and kept sex slaves.
(Bukhari 5:268, Qur'an 33:50)

Was celibate.

Slept with a 9-year-old child.
(Sahih Muslim 3309, Bukhari 58:236)

Did not have sex with children.

Ordered the murder of women.
(Ibn Ishaq 819, 995)

Never harmed a woman.

"O you who believe! Fight those of the
unbelievers who are near to you
and let them find in you hardness."
(Qur'an 9:123)

"Blessed are the meek, for
they shall inherit the earth."
(Matthew 5:5)


Ordered 65 military campaigns
and raids in his last 10 years.
(Ibn Ishaq )

Ordered no military campaigns, nor
offered any approval of war or violence.


Killed captives taken in battle.
(Ibn Ishaq 451)

Never took captives.
Never killed anyone.


Encouraged his men to rape enslaved women.
(Abu Dawood 2150, Qur'an 4:24)

Never encouraged rape.
Never enslaved women.


Demanded captured slaves and
a fifth of all other loot taken in war.
(Qur'an 8:41)

"The Son of Man came not
to be served, but to serve."
(Matthew 20:28)


Was never tortured, but tortured others.
(Muslim 4131, Ibn Ishaq 436, 595, 734, 764)

Suffered torture, but never tortured anyone.

"And fight them until there is no more persecution and religion is only for Allah"
(Qur'an 8:39)

"Love your enemies and pray
for those who persecute you"
(Matthew 5:44)


Blessed the brutal murder of a half-blind man
(al-Tabari 1440)

Healed a blind man
(Mark 8:28)


Ordered a slave to build the very pulpit
from which he preached Islam.
(Bukhari 47:743)

Washed his disciples feet.
(John 13:5)


What are the Greatest Commandments?
"Belief in Allah and Jihad in His cause"
(Muslim 1:149)

What are the Greatest Commandments?
"Love God and love thy neighbor as thyself."
(Matthew 22:34-40)


Demanded the protection of armed bodyguards, even in a house of worship
(Qur'an 4:102)

Chastised anyone attempting
to defend him with force.
(John 18:10-12)


Died fat and wealthy from what was
taken from others in war or
demanded from others in tribute.

Demanded nothing for himself.
Died without possessions.

Advocated crucifying others.
(Qur'an 5:33, Muslim 16:4131)

Was crucified himself.

According to his followers:
Had others give their lives for him.
(Sahih Muslim 4413)

According to his followers:
Gave his life for others.
(John 18:11 and elsewhere)
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It states 70% of the respondents

Those respondents, who took the survey, could have been composed largely of Muslims, or far leftists, that are ignorant of Islam.

The article is misleading, and don't state who these 'respondents' actually are (e.g. their background, political view, etc).
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Let me elaborate.

If I took a survey, and asked 10 Muslims in the USA, if they favored sharia law.

Then yes, a significant amount would favor this.

I could then technically say, a survey was taken in the US, and a significant amount of the 'respondents' favored Sharia law.
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It states 70% of the respondents

Those respondents, who took the survey, could have been composed largely of Muslims, or far leftists, that are ignorant of Islam.

The article is misleading, and don't state who these 'respondents' actually are (e.g. their background, political view, etc).
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Let me elaborate.

If I took a survey, and asked 10 Muslims in the USA, if they favored sharia law.

Then yes, a significant amount would favor this.

I could then technically say, a survey was taken in the US, and a significant amount of the 'respondents' favored Sharia law.
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No, it's just that the study in this article don't exist, they don't mention the source.
I posted the real october IFOP study about "The image of Islam in france", look it up.
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A new opinion poll indicates a growing support for political Islam in France, with nearly 70 percent of respondents advocating establishment of Islamic political parties in the country.


The survey conducted by IFOP (French Institute of Public Opinion) in October 24-27, was released on November 7 showing that 68 percent of the respondents agreed with the idea of establishment of Islamic political parties in France.

[link to www.presstv.ir]

damned
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I checked this poll, your statement astonished me strongly !

You understood it totaly wrong.

In France 74% of the people are hostile to a politic party or union refering to islam.

But in Germany there are only 32% against it.

check the poll ( in French) and see the chapter : "l'adhésion à une représentation de l'islam dans le champ politique"

[link to www.ifop.fr]
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A new opinion poll indicates a growing support for political Islam in France, with nearly 70 percent of respondents advocating establishment of Islamic political parties in the country.


The survey conducted by IFOP (French Institute of Public Opinion) in October 24-27, was released on November 7 showing that 68 percent of the respondents agreed with the idea of establishment of Islamic political parties in France.

[link to www.presstv.ir]

damned
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I checked this poll, your statement astonished me strongly !

You understood it totaly wrong.

In France 74% of the people are hostile to a politic party or union refering to islam.

But in Germany there are only 32% against it.

check the poll ( in French) and see the chapter : "l'adhésion à une représentation de l'islam dans le champ politique"

[link to www.ifop.fr]
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It's from 2011, this one is from october 2012 :
[link to www.ifop.com]

And it's still 68% hostile to islamic political party/union.

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