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Message Subject What did Jesus give thanks for?
Poster Handle Nine's
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Thanks for your answer, DGN. Maybe that's why it didn't register to me before. It just doesn't make sense to me, but I didn't mean to stir up a debate.

JDB, I see what you're getting at, but the scriptures to the contrary makes me think that Jesus and God are not the same.
Also based on the scriptures, I can see why you believe they are.

Maybe I'm just one of those in the scripture DGN uses, about always learning but never coming to an accurate knowledge. Or, one that wasn't meant to know.

Can't even understand that. Why He wouldn't want me to know. But, if He doesn't then there isn't much need to try until He wants me to.

Guess that sums it up. I don't know.

But, thank you both.
 Quoting: Nine's

Hey Nine's - Thank you for your post!

You hit on some profound issues that (respectfully) I’d like to try to answer.

The very idea that God “…wouldn’t want you to know” is absolutely anathema to what Scripture teaches us about God and His Holy Word! Jesus was very clear that he wanted “you” and everybody else to learn of Him!
Mat 28:19-20 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age."

The following verses from 1 John are clear on us “knowing”:

1Jn_5:13 I have written these things to you who believe on the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have everlasting life, and that you may believe on the name of the Son of God.

1Jn_5:20 And we know that the Son of God has come, and He has given us an understanding so that we may know Him who is true. And we are in Him that is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and the everlasting life.
So Nine’s The Most High God clearly wants a “knowing” relationship with *you*!

Regarding Who Jesus Is, is so critically important that it holds *eternal* consequences! Jesus *Is* God! To place your hope in any *other* (j) esus will bring eternal torment! The reality that “another” jesus is preached is in the spirit of antichrist and comes from Lucifer himself!
Jesus is God:

Tit 2:13 waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,

Joh 20:28 Thomas answered him, "My Lord and my God!"

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Joh 1:4 In him was life, and the life was the light of men. (Self –Existent)

Heb 1:8 But of the Son he says, "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.

Rom 9:5 To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ, who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen.

1Jn 5:20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

Mat 18:20 For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I among them." (Omnipresent)

Mat 18:20 For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I among them." (Omnipresent)

Rev 1:8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty." (Omnipotent)…

Nine’s, Scripture is clear that Jesus Is God, and it is up to us to receive God as He has presented Himself and His Work…check this verse:

Joh 8:24 Therefore I said to you that you shall die in your sins, for if you do not believe that I AM, you shall die in your sins.
I would *truly* consider it a deep honor to enjoy the privledge of walking you through these issues Nine’s if you desire to do so! If that is the case, I’d like to message my email address to you (you may already have it) and discuss that way!

The idea that someone could pigeon hole you to a place like this:

“…just one of those in the scripture…about always learning but never coming to an accurate knowledge. Or, one that wasn't meant to know…”

doesn’t ring true to me – we are *commanded* to *make* disciples…if you want to become a disciple of Jesus, He will in *NO WAY* cast you out!

You *can* be a disciple if that’s what you want! I’d encourage you with all my heart to choose to do so, for eternity (heaven or hell) hang in the balance! YES - hell is real!
 Quoting: jdb

JDB, thank you for your post. It touched me deeply that you cared enough to post those scriptures and offer your help. I've thought about it a lot.

I didn't mean to make it sound like anyone pigeon holed me into thinking something, but my thoughtless writing did make it sound that way. It actually brought tears to my eyes to think I was wrong about that, that you cared enough to tell me I was wrong about it, and I do hope you're right. It bothered me a lot.

I always HATED that verse, like some were special and could have knowledge but others were relegated to listening and wishing they too could earn the right to know. LOL. But it didn't make sense.

You did pm me your email and I probably still have it. Thank you for your offer, but I'll keep reading, trying, and we'll preserve your sanity for now.

Probably wording it poorly again, but thank you again. I appreciate it. It was encouraging and uplifting.
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