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After checking the elegibility protocols of the US Navy "Burial at Sea" ritual, I gotta ask: Was Osama Bin Laden a US official?

 
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After checking the elegibility protocols of the US Navy "Burial at Sea" ritual, I gotta ask: Was Osama Bin Laden a US official?
I saw this article about alleged secret emails depicting details of Bin Laden's sea burial, and everything told and "revealed" about it so far, smells a lot of shenanigans.

Secret internal emails reveal Osama bin Laden was washed, wrapped in a sheet and slid into the sea for his burial in accordance with Islamic burial tradition - and no sailors saw it.

The heavily blacked out emails sent between U.S. military officers were obtained through the Freedom of Information Act and are the first public disclosure of government information about the al Qaida leader's death(...)
 Quoting: [link to www.dailymail.co.uk]


I checked the US Navy eligibility protocols for the "Burial at Sea" ceremony and this is what it says:


BURIAL AT SEA (BAS) is a means of final disposition of remains, that is performed on United States Naval vessels. The committal ceremony is performed while the ship is deployed, therefore, family members are not allowed to be present. The commanding officer of the ship assigned to perform the ceremony will make notification to the family of the date, time, latitude and longitude, once the committal service has been completed.

Eligibility: Individuals eligible for this program are: (1) active duty members of the uniformed services; (2) retirees and veterans who were honorably discharged. (3) U.S. civilian marine personnel of the Military Sealift Command; and (4) dependent family members of active duty personnel, retirees, and veterans of the uniformed services.
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So according to the US Navy rules, Bin Laden was NOT eligible for such ceremony, or was he?
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According to the official version, he was "buried" at the sea with a Muslim ceremony, what definitely makes no sense as long as he was the official #1 enemy of America. If he was executed by the Seals and afterwards his body looked like a rag doll, why the ruthless US military would give a flying fuck to give him a proper Muslim burial??

Oh, the official explanation was "to prevent the rage of Muslims". Really???

Ok, yet according to the article, the Muslim burial was conducted by an AMERICAN official, translated by a "native speaker":

(...)According to another message from the USS Carl Vinson aircraft carrier's public affairs officer, only a small group of the ship's leadership was informed of the burial.

'Traditional procedures for Islamic burial was followed,' the May 2 email from Rear Admiral Charles Gaouette reads. 'The deceased's body was washed (ablution) then placed in a white sheet.

'The body was placed in a weighted bag. A military officer read prepared religious remarks, which were translated into Arabic by a native speaker. After the words were complete, the body was placed on a prepared flat board, tipped up, whereupon the deceased's body slid into the sea.'
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But the fact is that sea burials are strictly forbidden by Islam, except in VERY rare cases if it's IMPOSSIBLE by any means to return the dead body to land:

Rules About Burial of the Dead Body

620. It is obligatory to bury a dead body in the ground, so deep that its smell does not come out and the beasts of prey do not dig it out, and, if there is a danger of such beasts digging it out then the grave should be made solid with bricks, etc.

621. If it is not possible to bury a dead body in the ground, it may be kept in a vault or a coffin, instead.

622. The dead body should be laid in the grave on its right side so that the face remains towards the Qibla.

623. If a person dies on a ship and if there is no fear of the decay of the dead body and if there is no problem in retaining it for sometime on the ship, it should be kept on it and buried in the ground after reaching the land. Otherwise, after giving Ghusl, Hunut, Kafan and Namaz-e-Mayyit it should be lowered into the sea in a vessel of clay or with a weight tied to its feet. And as far as possible it should not be lowered at a point where it is eaten up immediately by the sea predators.

624. If it is feared that an enemy may dig up the grave and exhume the dead body and amputate its ears or nose or other limbs, it should be lowered into sea, if possible, as stated in the foregoing rule.
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Sea burials are not allowed by Islam, let alone in a ceremony carried by the enemy, so whatever ritual was done to Bin Laden in the USS Carl Vinson, theoretically it was absolutely pointless, UNLESS it was NOT a Muslim ceremony...

According to the alleged secret emails, only a very select group of officials were allowed to watch Bin Laden's burial. Why???

Did the US Navy lower his body in the sea with a secret military ceremony?? If so, it was a HUGE breach in the eligibility protocols of the own US Navy, UNLESS he was on service of the US government.

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time of war, enemy combatants are eligible as well, as well as civilian survivors or corpses from rescue operations.
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Any chance of Bin Laden has been a covert officer of the US Navy/CIA??

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time of war, enemy combatants are eligible as well, as well as civilian survivors or corpses from rescue operations.
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Really????? LOL, the US military piss in the dead body of Muslims, just for a good laugh, why they bothered in give a secret Muslim sea burial, which is forbidden anyway, to the #1 enemy of America???

Sorry sport, one gotta be waay too stupid to believe in a story with so many holes!
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Clearly, the guy killed was not the real Osama bin Laden.
The crap TPTB try to feed us is just ridiculous lately.
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Clearly, the guy killed was not the real Osama bin Laden.
The crap TPTB try to feed us is just ridiculous lately.
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But do you realize that even if they hypothetically killed a double, the real Bin Laden wouldn't be benefited by staying hidden and letting the world think he died. Much by the opposite, he would be praised as a god by the Mujahideen, if he emerged as a survivor of a failed American operation to kill him. The US government would be totally ridiculed and I'm sure he wouldn't loose such opportunity, UNLESS:

1. He was actually killed.
2. He was killed because he was a liability.
3. He was a liability because he was an American operative.
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It's an interesting notion U/A. Wasnt the reason given so that no 'one' place would become a beacon for terrorists to visit and worship? The irony in that is they can now just go to any beach to do so...

This notion only makes sense if you buy the MSM version that he was actually killed that night. Plenty to say he died back in 2002, or the opposite, is still kicking.

Regardless, the 'story' that is OBL, has been used to great political effect. This particular govt' decided to put the story to rest, to focus on other things.
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time of war, enemy combatants are eligible as well, as well as civilian survivors or corpses from rescue operations.
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Really????? LOL, the US military piss in the dead body of Muslims, just for a good laugh, why they bothered in give a secret Muslim sea burial, which is forbidden anyway, to the #1 enemy of America???

Sorry sport, one gotta be waay too stupid to believe in a story with so many holes!
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islamic rule 623 you posted gives the method required for an islamic burial at sea. time of war rules allow enemy bodies to be buried at sea by the american navy. there really isnt a conflict in either set of rules. whether the story is true or not is another matter, but nothing actually forbade the events as told.
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It's an interesting notion U/A. Wasnt the reason given so that no 'one' place would become a beacon for terrorists to visit and worship? The irony in that is they can now just go to any beach to do so...

This notion only makes sense if you buy the MSM version that he was actually killed that night. Plenty to say he died back in 2002, or the opposite, is still kicking.

Regardless, the 'story' that is OBL, has been used to great political effect. This particular govt' decided to put the story to rest, to focus on other things.
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But that's the whole point! If they just dumped his body in the sea to prevent the memorial factor, why bother in give him a bogus Muslim ceremony???

Everything about this story is a contradiction.
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It's an interesting notion U/A. Wasnt the reason given so that no 'one' place would become a beacon for terrorists to visit and worship? The irony in that is they can now just go to any beach to do so...

This notion only makes sense if you buy the MSM version that he was actually killed that night. Plenty to say he died back in 2002, or the opposite, is still kicking.

Regardless, the 'story' that is OBL, has been used to great political effect. This particular govt' decided to put the story to rest, to focus on other things.
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But that's the whole point! If they just dumped his body in the sea to prevent the memorial factor, why bother in give him a bogus Muslim ceremony???

Everything about this story is a contradiction.
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time of war, enemy combatants are eligible as well, as well as civilian survivors or corpses from rescue operations.
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Really????? LOL, the US military piss in the dead body of Muslims, just for a good laugh, why they bothered in give a secret Muslim sea burial, which is forbidden anyway, to the #1 enemy of America???

Sorry sport, one gotta be waay too stupid to believe in a story with so many holes!
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islamic rule 623 you posted gives the method required for an islamic burial at sea. time of war rules allow enemy bodies to be buried at sea by the american navy. there really isnt a conflict in either set of rules. whether the story is true or not is another matter, but nothing actually forbade the events as told.
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Clean up your glasses and read it again! First off he didn't die in the ship, second It says NOTHING bout any exception for American ships, third, even if he had died in an American ship and was impossible to return his body to land, the Muslim sea burial is only allowed with proper rituals, and obviously NO American official was qualified to carry out such rituals, unless he was Muslim.

"War rules"??? Really??? Are you watching those Hollywood war flicks of Clint Eastwood or something like that??

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Here we go, double posts again!

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Thread sea-buried already???

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Good thread. Was on payroll in the 70s
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Clearly, the guy killed was not the real Osama bin Laden.
The crap TPTB try to feed us is just ridiculous lately.
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But do you realize that even if they hypothetically killed a double, the real Bin Laden wouldn't be benefited by staying hidden and letting the world think he died. Much by the opposite, he would be praised as a god by the Mujahideen, if he emerged as a survivor of a failed American operation to kill him. The US government would be totally ridiculed and I'm sure he wouldn't loose such opportunity, UNLESS:

1. He was actually killed.
2. He was killed because he was a liability.
3. He was a liability because he was an American operative.
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Or he was already dead, and a show was put on.
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The whole thing is a stage play.

Don't waste your time discussing fiction as if it were real.
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Of course he wasn't. Osama was blown up in 2002 by a missile. They hit him with five-six other servants on horse back after they stopped to make a satellite phone up link. I seen it on CNN for two days straight, then it vanished, from the net as well.

His capture and illegal murder were staged last year. It was a show for the sheep...whats left of them that is.
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time of war, enemy combatants are eligible as well, as well as civilian survivors or corpses from rescue operations.
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What war would that be?? war on poverty, war on illiteracy, war on drugs??? and can you point me to the specific deceleration of war that you refer???
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they caught the most wanted man in the world, not only did they kill him on site but they removed his body from the scene and decided to heliport it to a navy vessel and give the mass killer of Americans a dignified burial at sea based on his beliefs. oh and no one saw it happen...

yeah totally believable, we are talking about America here...
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According to the official version, he was "buried" at the sea with a Muslim ceremony, what definitely makes no sense as long as he was the official #1 enemy of America. If he was executed by the Seals and afterwards his body looked like a rag doll, why the ruthless US military would give a flying fuck to give him a proper Muslim burial??

Oh, the official explanation was "to prevent the rage of Muslims". Really???
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It would be a war crime to not give him a proper burial. Are you angry because the USA didn't commit a war crime?
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Clearly, the guy killed was not the real Osama bin Laden.
The crap TPTB try to feed us is just ridiculous lately.
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But do you realize that even if they hypothetically killed a double, the real Bin Laden wouldn't be benefited by staying hidden and letting the world think he died. Much by the opposite, he would be praised as a god by the Mujahideen, if he emerged as a survivor of a failed American operation to kill him. The US government would be totally ridiculed and I'm sure he wouldn't loose such opportunity, UNLESS:

1. He was actually killed.
2. He was killed because he was a liability.
3. He was a liability because he was an American operative.
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Or 4: He was already dead, and O set it all up for political points.

I may stand corrected, but I do remember hearing reports of bin ladens death from natural causes as far back as 07; it seems his health was in dire condition to begin with, I don't think it's too far fetched to believe the president would "kick a dead horse" so to say if he was "already" dead. That could explain the "fishyness" of his sea burial...
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he was already dead and had been dead ten years. Bhutto said it and she was killed. It was all over the ME press at the time. Couldn't keep fighting a war with the number one terrorist dead who was a asset to the US and the reason/ justification for the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. He was more unofficial or a informant. We bankrolled him and the movement in the early 80's. Hell we are still bankrolling the movement. WAKE UP AMERICA
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But the fact is that sea burials are strictly forbidden by Islam, except in VERY rare cases if it's IMPOSSIBLE by any means to return the dead body to land:

Rules About Burial of the Dead Body

620. It is obligatory to bury a dead body in the ground, so deep that its smell does not come out and the beasts of prey do not dig it out, and, if there is a danger of such beasts digging it out then the grave should be made solid with bricks, etc.

621. If it is not possible to bury a dead body in the ground, it may be kept in a vault or a coffin, instead.

622. The dead body should be laid in the grave on its right side so that the face remains towards the Qibla.

623. If a person dies on a ship and if there is no fear of the decay of the dead body and if there is no problem in retaining it for sometime on the ship, it should be kept on it and buried in the ground after reaching the land. Otherwise, after giving Ghusl, Hunut, Kafan and Namaz-e-Mayyit it should be lowered into the sea in a vessel of clay or with a weight tied to its feet. And as far as possible it should not be lowered at a point where it is eaten up immediately by the sea predators.

624. If it is feared that an enemy may dig up the grave and exhume the dead body and amputate its ears or nose or other limbs, it should be lowered into sea, if possible, as stated in the foregoing rule.
 Quoting: [link to www.seaservices.com]


Sea burials are not allowed by Islam, let alone in a ceremony carried by the enemy, so whatever ritual was done to Bin Laden in the USS Carl Vinson, theoretically it was absolutely pointless, UNLESS it was NOT a Muslim ceremony...

According to the alleged secret emails, only a very select group of officials were allowed to watch Bin Laden's burial. Why???

Did the US Navy lower his body in the sea with a secret military ceremony?? If so, it was a HUGE breach in the eligibility protocols of the own US Navy, UNLESS he was on service of the US government.

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Islam does indeed allow burial at sea as you may read above.

The US officer who "made religious remarks" may have been a Muslim, possibly a chaplain. It seems to me they wanted the "religious remarks" pronunced by a practicing Muslim and a native Arabic speaker.

Not that any of this matters. That wasn't Osama in that sack.
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Clearly, the guy killed was not the real Osama bin Laden.
The crap TPTB try to feed us is just ridiculous lately.
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But do you realize that even if they hypothetically killed a double, the real Bin Laden wouldn't be benefited by staying hidden and letting the world think he died. Much by the opposite, he would be praised as a god by the Mujahideen, if he emerged as a survivor of a failed American operation to kill him. The US government would be totally ridiculed and I'm sure he wouldn't loose such opportunity, UNLESS:

1. He was actually killed.
2. He was killed because he was a liability.
3. He was a liability because he was an American operative.
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Or he was already dead, and a show was put on.
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Another plausible possibility.
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But the fact is that sea burials are strictly forbidden by Islam, except in VERY rare cases if it's IMPOSSIBLE by any means to return the dead body to land:

Rules About Burial of the Dead Body

620. It is obligatory to bury a dead body in the ground, so deep that its smell does not come out and the beasts of prey do not dig it out, and, if there is a danger of such beasts digging it out then the grave should be made solid with bricks, etc.

621. If it is not possible to bury a dead body in the ground, it may be kept in a vault or a coffin, instead.

622. The dead body should be laid in the grave on its right side so that the face remains towards the Qibla.

623. If a person dies on a ship and if there is no fear of the decay of the dead body and if there is no problem in retaining it for sometime on the ship, it should be kept on it and buried in the ground after reaching the land. Otherwise, after giving Ghusl, Hunut, Kafan and Namaz-e-Mayyit it should be lowered into the sea in a vessel of clay or with a weight tied to its feet. And as far as possible it should not be lowered at a point where it is eaten up immediately by the sea predators.

624. If it is feared that an enemy may dig up the grave and exhume the dead body and amputate its ears or nose or other limbs, it should be lowered into sea, if possible, as stated in the foregoing rule.
 Quoting: [link to www.seaservices.com]


Sea burials are not allowed by Islam, let alone in a ceremony carried by the enemy, so whatever ritual was done to Bin Laden in the USS Carl Vinson, theoretically it was absolutely pointless, UNLESS it was NOT a Muslim ceremony...

According to the alleged secret emails, only a very select group of officials were allowed to watch Bin Laden's burial. Why???

Did the US Navy lower his body in the sea with a secret military ceremony?? If so, it was a HUGE breach in the eligibility protocols of the own US Navy, UNLESS he was on service of the US government.

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Islam does indeed allow burial at sea as you may read above.

The US officer who "made religious remarks" may have been a Muslim, possibly a chaplain. It seems to me they wanted the "religious remarks" pronunced by a practicing Muslim and a native Arabic speaker.

Not that any of this matters. That wasn't Osama in that sack.
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We're reading different things! The protocols for Muslim funerals clearly state that the body HAS TO BE BURIED IN THE GROUND, and sea burials only apply to exceptional cases when the person dies in the sea (not BL's case) and there are no means to return the body to land.

The official who made the bogus ritual was NOT a Muslim otherwise there would be no use for a translator, obviously.

And, that TOTALLY matters because a secret sea burial that breached both Muslims and US Navy protocols was carried out.

Trying to explain what happened based in all versions given by the US military is like trying to contain a cracking dam with your fingers.
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According to the official version, he was "buried" at the sea with a Muslim ceremony, what definitely makes no sense as long as he was the official #1 enemy of America. If he was executed by the Seals and afterwards his body looked like a rag doll, why the ruthless US military would give a flying fuck to give him a proper Muslim burial??

Oh, the official explanation was "to prevent the rage of Muslims". Really???

Ok, yet according to the article, the Muslim burial was conducted by an AMERICAN official, translated by a "native speaker":

(...)According to another message from the USS Carl Vinson aircraft carrier's public affairs officer, only a small group of the ship's leadership was informed of the burial.

'Traditional procedures for Islamic burial was followed,' the May 2 email from Rear Admiral Charles Gaouette reads. 'The deceased's body was washed (ablution) then placed in a white sheet.

'The body was placed in a weighted bag. A military officer read prepared religious remarks, which were translated into Arabic by a native speaker. After the words were complete, the body was placed on a prepared flat board, tipped up, whereupon the deceased's body slid into the sea.'
 Quoting: [link to www.dailymail.co.uk]

 Quoting: UndercoverAlien


" Muslim burial was conducted by an AMERICAN official"

American = Nationality
Muslim =
Adherent of Islam
America= Nation State
Islam = Religion
Arabic is a language [overwhelming majority of Muslims are not fluent in Arabic}

Americans = are not exclusively white or christian.
Muslims = came to America, around 1880s to 1914.

America = African Americans make up about a quarter of the total Muslim population.

As of May 30, 2005, over 15,000 Muslims were serving in the United States Armed Forces


These are American muslims=
Ahmad Jamal - Jazz pianist[34]
Akil - Rapper. Formerly of the alternative hip-hop group Jurassic 5.[35][36]
Ahmet Ertegün - Songwriter and founder of Atlantic Records[37]
Akon - Rapper [38][39]
Ali Shaheed Muhammad - Producer, DJ and rapper. Formerly of A Tribe Called Quest. He is a Sunni Muslim.[11]
Art Blakey - American jazz drummer and bandleader[40]
B.G. Knocc Out - Rapper from Compton, CA, (converted to Islam in 1999)[41]
Beanie Sigel - Rapper[35][42][43]
Big Daddy Kane - Rapper. He is a 5 percenter.[44][45]
Brother Ali - Rapper. Converted to Sunni Islam.[11][46]
Busta Rhymes - Hip-hop artist and rapper. He is a 5 percenter.[11][47]
Casey Kasem For years an American Druze radio personality known for his top forty DJ format.
Chali 2na - Rapper. Formerly of the alternative hip-hop group Jurassic 5, and of Ozomatli[48]
DJ Khaled - Rap artist and DJ[49][50]
Everlast - Rapper from the Irish-American hip-hop group House of Pain. Converted to Sunni Islam.[11][51][52]
Freeway - Rapper. He is a Sunni Muslim.[11][43][53][54]
Ghostface Killah - Rapper. Member of the hip-hip group the Wu-Tang Clan[35][55]
Ice Cube - Rapper and producer.[56]
Immortal Technique - Rapper and social activist.
Jermaine Jackson - Singer, bass guitarist[57][58]
Lupe Fiasco - Rapper. He is a Sunni Muslim.[11][35][59]
Mark 7even - Rapper. Formerly of the alternative hip-hop group Jurassic 5[36]
MC Ren - Rapper[60]
Mos Def - Rapper. Initially joined the Nation of Islam before converting to Sunni Islam.[11][35][61]
Napoleon - Former member of Tupac Shakur's rap group the Outlawz, now a motivational Muslim speaker[62]
Nas - Rapper and 5 percenter[35][63]
Native Deen - Artist rap group[64]
Q-Tip - Rapper. Formerly of A Tribe Called Quest. He is a Sunni Muslim.[11][65]
Rakim - 5 percenter, Rapper & former member of the hip-hop duo Eric B. & Rakim.[63][66]
Scarface - Rapper[35][67][68]
Raekwon - Rapper. Member of the hip-hip group the Wu-Tang Clan[69][70][71][72]
Rhymefest - Grammy award winning hip hop artist and co-writer of the single "Jesus Walks"[73]
Snoop Dogg - Rapper. ex member of the Nation Of Islam.[11][74][75]
T-Pain - singer, rapper[76]
Vinnie Paz - Rapper in the hip-hop group Jedi Mind Tricks.[77]
Yusef Lateef - Jazz musician and Grammy Award winner[11][78]


NBA
NBA player Shaquille O'Neal

DeSagana Diop, Senegalese Basketball player for the Charlotte Bobcats
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar - Converted to Islam from Catholicism in 1968, initially joining the Nation of Islam before retaking the Shahada and converting to Sunni Islam that very summer.[11][125]
Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf - Former player for Denver Nuggets (converted in 1991, formerly Chris Jackson)[126]
Shareef Abdur-Rahim - Retired player, named NBA All-Star in 2001-02 season[127]
Hassan Adams - Player for the KK Vojvodina[128]
Larry Johnson - Retired player, played for the Charlotte Hornets and New York Knicks[129]
Nazr Mohammed - Player for the Charlotte Bobcats[130]
Mehmet Okur - Turkish player of the Utah Jazz[131]
Shaquille O'Neal - Player for the Boston Celtics, also a rapper and actor[132]
Hakeem Olajuwon[133]
Rasheed Wallace of the Boston Celtics[134][135]

NFL
NFL player turned sportscaster Ahmad Rashad

Hamza Abdullah - Safety for the Cleveland Browns[136][137]
Husain Abdullah - Safety for the Minnesota Vikings[138]
Az-Zahir Hakim - Wide receiver formerly for the St. Louis Rams[139]
Ryan Harris[140]
Abdul Hodge - Linebacker for the Carolina Panthers.[11]
Ahmad Rashād - Former Wide receiver for Minnesota Vikings, award winning sports-caster (converted in 1972)[141][142]
Ephraim Salaam - Offensive tackle for the Detroit Lions[143]
Muhammad Wilkerson - Defensive end for the New York Jets[144]
Usama Young - Free safety for the New Orleans Saints[145]

Kareem Rashad Sultan Khan - United States Army Soldier killed in Iraq[
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Re: After checking the elegibility protocols of the US Navy "Burial at Sea" ritual, I gotta ask: Was Osama Bin Laden a US official?
According to the official version, he was "buried" at the sea with a Muslim ceremony, what definitely makes no sense as long as he was the official #1 enemy of America. If he was executed by the Seals and afterwards his body looked like a rag doll, why the ruthless US military would give a flying fuck to give him a proper Muslim burial??

Oh, the official explanation was "to prevent the rage of Muslims". Really???
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It would be a war crime to not give him a proper burial. Are you angry because the USA didn't commit a war crime?
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Are you for real??? How many civilian villages were blasted to pieces by the US bombings in Iraq and Afghanistan since the '90s?? How many raped girls?? How many parents burned to death??? How many dead bodies pissed on by US soldier's urine??? How many killing rampages of "rogue" soldiers? EVERYTHING about the presence of Americans and their allies in the Middle East is a war crime covered up by fake propaganda.

Srlsly kid, go back to watch Winnie the Pooh or play videogames, and leave sensitive matter to adults!

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Re: After checking the elegibility protocols of the US Navy "Burial at Sea" ritual, I gotta ask: Was Osama Bin Laden a US official?
The reason is to prevent an exhumation of the body which is the same reason JFK Jr. was buried at sea. Dead men tell no tales.

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