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Most who think they believe in jesus do not.

 
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Okay I see what your getting at, but then how come he was referred to as God in the scriptures i.e Isaiah 9:6 or john 20:28?
and in john 14:9 he says he that seen me has seen the father?
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Again, you confuse a mighty god, Jesus with the Almighty, the only God. His Father is the Almighty, not Jesus.
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No, I'm asking you to explain that to me please.

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"Okay I see what your getting at, but then how come he was referred to as God in the scriptures i.e Isaiah 9:6 or john 20:28?
and in john 14:9 he says he that seen me has seen the father?"
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I have already.

Anyway, don´t be like Thomas:

29Jesus said unto him, Thomas, because you have seen me, you have believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. John 20
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Look I'm not saying I'm right. I honestly am just seeking the truth. And as far as I am concerned you have not explained why Jesus was referred to as God in the scriptures, or the other points I made. Please I really am just seeking the truth, draw it out for me if you have to. Thanks.
-Steve
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And if go by the scriptures, and Jesus is the word made flesh, and the word is god, then wouldn't that make Jesus God in the flesh?
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The Word is not God. The Word WAS WITH God, in the Beginning. A big difference.
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In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
John 1:1
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And if go by the scriptures, and Jesus is the word made flesh, and the word is god, then wouldn't that make Jesus God in the flesh?
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Jesus is god but not god. Its like a spirit possessing a lesser form. Jesus died. God is immortal. You can see jesus. God is invisible right? You can see one face but not the other. One is called the son of god. Which cries out abba father. Yet they are one and the same. God is good. Jesus is not. There is no darkness in god yet jesus will return with a legion.
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I don't understand why you are trying to create an argument and accuse me of going against the Bible/the word of God, perhaps you could explain?
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Trinity is pagan notion of God.

And God hates paganism among Israelites. Read about their history. They got finaly expelled from the Land even because of their paganism and idolatry.
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I agree, and I don't recall ever teaching the Trinity.
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Well, if true don´t call the Son of God

the God. There is only One, his Father.
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If thomas called him god and he did not rebuke so shall I.
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And if go by the scriptures, and Jesus is the word made flesh, and the word is god, then wouldn't that make Jesus God in the flesh?
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The Word is not God. The Word WAS WITH God, in the Beginning. A big difference.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13284416


In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
John 1:1
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Past tense, in both cases.
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And if go by the scriptures, and Jesus is the word made flesh, and the word is god, then wouldn't that make Jesus God in the flesh?
 Quoting: DesignLov3


The Word is not God. The Word WAS WITH God, in the Beginning. A big difference.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13284416


In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
John 1:1
 Quoting: DesignLov3


Past tense, in both cases.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13284416


Like OP said, Thomas called him God, and Jesus didn't rebuke him? and plus in Isaiah 9:6 it refers to Jesus not only as the Mighty God, but The everlasting Father
-Steve
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Again, you confuse a mighty god, Jesus with the Almighty, the only God. His Father is the Almighty, not Jesus.
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No, I'm asking you to explain that to me please.

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"Okay I see what your getting at, but then how come he was referred to as God in the scriptures i.e Isaiah 9:6 or john 20:28?
and in john 14:9 he says he that seen me has seen the father?"
 Quoting: DesignLov3


I have already.

Anyway, don´t be like Thomas:

29Jesus said unto him, Thomas, because you have seen me, you have believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. John 20


Look I'm not saying I'm right. I honestly am just seeking the truth. And as far as I am concerned you have not explained why Jesus was referred to as God in the scriptures, or the other points I made. Please I really am just seeking the truth,
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out for me if you have to. Thanks.


... He will reign on David's throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever. The zeal of the LORD Almighty will accomplish this. Isaiah 9:7
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The Word is not God. The Word WAS WITH God, in the Beginning. A big difference.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13284416


In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
John 1:1
 Quoting: DesignLov3


Past tense, in both cases.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13284416


Like OP said, Thomas called him God, and Jesus didn't rebuke him? and plus in Isaiah 9:6 it refers to Jesus not only as the Mighty God, but The everlasting Father
 Quoting: DesignLov3


21As for me, this is my covenant with them, says the LORD; My spirit that is upon you, and my words which I have put in your mouth, shall not depart out of your mouth, nor out of the mouth of your descendants, nor out of the mouth of your descendant's descendants, says the LORD, from this time forth and forever. Is 59
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Trinity is pagan notion of God.

And God hates paganism among Israelites. Read about their history. They got finaly expelled from the Land even because of their paganism and idolatry.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13284416

I agree, and I don't recall ever teaching the Trinity.
 Quoting: DesignLov3


Well, if true don´t call the Son of God

the God. There is only One, his Father.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13284416




If thomas called him god and he did not rebuke so shall I.
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John 20:29 Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."
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I don't believe when Jesus said that he was rebuking Thomas for calling him God. I also do not understand how your last response was related to my last post to you.

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The Word is not God. The Word WAS WITH God, in the Beginning. A big difference.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13284416


In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with od, and the Word was God."
John 1:1
 Quoting: DesignLov3


Past tense, in both cases.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13284416


Like OP said, Thomas called him God, and Jesus didn't rebuke him? and plus in Isaiah 9:6 it refers to Jesus not only as the Mighty God, but The everlasting Father
 Quoting: DesignLov3




Remember the equal thing? Well, this might sway that a birt.

John 14:28 New International Version (NIV)

28 “You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.

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I don't believe when Jesus said that he was rebuking Thomas for calling him God. I also do not understand how your last response to my question related.
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Try hard to understand and study the parts in the Bible I have provided. Pagans and idolaters will have a very hard time in coming years. Drove nearest you can to the Father, the only God. Godspeed.
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1 Corinthians 11:3 New International Version (NIV)

3 But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, [a] and the head of Christ is God.
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Acts 20:28 New International Version (NIV)

28 Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, [a] which he bought with his own blood.

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I see no need for the debate.

1 Timothy 3:16 - Beyond all question, the mystery from which true godliness springs is great: He appeared in the flesh, was vindicated by the Spirit, [a] was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory.


Hebrews 1:8

Revelation 1:17

Revelation 22:13

Colossians 2:9

Colossians 1:16

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I see no need for the debate.

1 Timothy 3:16 - Beyond all question, the mystery from which true godliness springs is great: He appeared in the flesh, was vindicated by the Spirit, [a] was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory.


Hebrews 1:8

Revelation 1:17

Revelation 22:13

Colossians 2:9

Colossians 1:16
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So what's the final verdict in plain english?
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Revelation 1:1

1The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him,...
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I guess the easiest way to say this is jesus is like the avatar of god. Like the matrix perhaps. :p



If the father is good and there is no darkness in him then why is jesus coming with a legion of
saints? They are one yet they are not.

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A spirit in ones temple.








As for the other kid. My mother and I believe they are one and the same. If only you could see all the miracles. My mother alone has seen more supernatural things than I can say for the churches I have personally been in. One would be seeing jesus at my birth, her death. Yet, she still lives.
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I see no need for the debate.

1 Timothy 3:16 - Beyond all question, the mystery from which true godliness springs is great: He appeared in the flesh, was vindicated by the Spirit, [a] was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory.


Hebrews 1:8

Revelation 1:17

Revelation 22:13

Colossians 2:9

Colossians 1:16
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So what's the final verdict in plain english?
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I guess the easiest way to say this is jesus is the avatar of god. Like the matrix perhaps. :p



If the father is good and there is no darkness in him then why is jesus coming with a legion of saints? They are one yet they are not.
 Quoting: Let it rain


In regards to AC saying that Jesus was not God I find Acts 20:28 particularly interesting. "Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood."
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I see no need for the debate.

1 Timothy 3:16 - Beyond all question, the mystery from which true godliness springs is great: He appeared in the flesh, was vindicated by the Spirit, [a] was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory.


Hebrews 1:8

Revelation 1:17

Revelation 22:13

Colossians 2:9

Colossians 1:16
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So what's the final verdict in plain english?
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I guess the easiest way to say this is jesus is the avatar of god. Like the matrix perhaps. :p



If the father is good and there is no darkness in him then why is jesus coming with a legion of saints? They are one yet they are not.
 Quoting: Let it rain


In regards to AC saying that Jesus was not God I find Acts 20:28 particularly interesting. "Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood."
 Quoting: DesignLov3


Don't let them make you have doubt my brother. Hmm, does gods original form have blood? Our blood is our life. Once lost we die. Yet god is immortal? The ONLY immortal? Hmm? :)
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1 Timothy 6:11-16 New International Version (NIV)

Final Charge to Timothy

11 But you, man of God, flee from all this, and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, endurance and gentleness. 12 Fight the good fight of the faith. Take hold of the eternal life to which you were called when you made your good confession in the presence of many witnesses. 13 In the sight of God, who gives life to everything, and of Christ Jesus, who while testifying before Pontius Pilate made the good confession, I charge you 14 to keep this command without spot or blame until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 which God will bring about in his own time—God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Lord of lords, 16 who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen.




When jesus rose from the dead and returned to the father.I wonder what significance it had?
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1 Timothy 6:11-16 New International Version (NIV)

Final Charge to Timothy

11 But you, man of God, flee from all this, and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, endurance and gentleness. 12 Fight the good fight of the faith. Take hold of the eternal life to which you were called when you made your good confession in the presence of many witnesses. 13 In the sight of God, who gives life to everything, and of Christ Jesus, who while testifying before Pontius Pilate made the good confession, I charge you 14 to keep this command without spot or blame until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 which God will bring about in his own time—God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Lord of lords, 16 who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen.




When jesus rose from the dead and returned to the father.I wonder what significance it had?
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Very interesting points :) and didn't they kill Jesus for blaspheme?
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Don't worry :) I have several translations.
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Don't worry, it seems the Holy Spirit is strong in convicting you if your able to understand that we must not be the servant of sin, and must not live by the lusts of the flesh/eyes, just pray and God will guide you. The most important thing is that you call on the name of Jesus.

"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" -1 Timothy 2:5 (KJV)
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Hmm, I can say that I am gifted but I cannot say I have been sealed by the mark of god which I believe is the holy spirit given to those who obey. A gift is a gift. Perhaps wisdom, knowledge, and understanding but I am not saved or born again.
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Do you see the number 144 often, read these threads if you know whom spoke it then leave a msg in it and we shall contact ye.

Thread: Let the Truth be Told in a World full of Lies

Thread: The True understanding of the atonement done by Jesus Christ.

Thread: Be prepared to die for your faith in Christ God.

read over it and then respond, respond not quickly so as not to error for many do and condemn themself in doing so.
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Adonai,^^^ eh?!
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Very interesting points :) and didn't they kill Jesus for blaspheme?
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Indeed, mixed with jealousy and envy perhaps.
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Thou shalt not kill

Largest breaker of the most sacred commandment - USA
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Thou shalt not kill

Largest breaker of the most sacred commandment - USA
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I am somewhat self-taught. However, that means my teachers are in the bible. So I don't agree with most members with the body of christ. The masses are blind for the road is narrow. I know god is opening my eyes, ears, and heart. So I would agree with you here. It is not thou shall not murder. It is indeed kill. Love does not harm its neighbor so hate does. Love is the fulfilment of the law. There is no other way but the way, truth, and life.
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