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A real atheist is not a satanist?

 
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A real atheist is not a satanist?
So if they don't believe in any god or supreme being....that includes satan?
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Satan is just the other side of the God coin. Both b.s.
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an atheist cannot be a satanist for that very reason, however an atheist can be a luciferian and adhere to the luciferian doctrine that they are god or do what thou wilt you are in control and can do whatever you want. they dont worship satan but ARE doing satans work...albeit unknowingly.
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an atheist cannot be a satanist for that very reason, however an atheist can be a luciferian and adhere to the luciferian doctrine that they are god or do what thou wilt you are in control and can do whatever you want. they dont worship satan but ARE doing satans work...albeit unknowingly.
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At least we do not pray to satan every sunday.
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When a person awakens to find themselves a player in a game, and the controller named GOD, who in turn had given the world a rule book to the game, one might easily assume a atheist is a coward that could not pick a side in the game.
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So if they don't believe in any god or supreme being....that includes satan?
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That would be about the size of it. No gods, so no angels, so no satan. You definitley have to believe in a very specific god to believe in satan.
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Depends what version of Satan, LaVeyan satanists don't believe in a god, any god, not even Satan as a god. Maybe pantheism though.. its different for every satanist.

LaVeyan satanists worship themselves, pleasure and nature pretty much.

If Christianity is about selflessness and care for others, LaVeyan Satanism is about selfishness, self interest and being happy. Hedonists.

Source : The Satanic Bible.

So to answer your question, can an atheist be a satanist? yes if they are a LaVeyan Satanist they probably are an atheist, if not an agnostic atheist. Satanism is pretty much somewhat of a joke religion for goths who like to troll christ-tards.

Lucifarianism and other types of Satanism are pretty different though and do involve deity worship. Those types really are weird.
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Depends what version of Satan, LaVeyan satanists don't believe in a god, any god, not even Satan as a god. Maybe pantheism though.. its different for every satanist.

LaVeyan satanists worship themselves, pleasure and nature pretty much.

If Christianity is about selflessness and care for others, LaVeyan Satanism is about selfishness, self interest and being happy. Hedonists.

Source : The Satanic Bible.

So to answer your question, can an atheist be a satanist? yes if they are a LaVeyan Satanist they probably are an atheist, if not an agnostic atheist. Satanism is pretty much somewhat of a joke religion for goths who like to troll christ-tards.

Lucifarianism and other types of Satanism are pretty different though and do involve deity worship. Those types really are weird.
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"Satanists do not believe in the supernatural, in neither God nor the Devil. To the Satanist, he is his own God. Satan is a symbol of Man living as his prideful, carnal nature dictates. The reality behind Satan is simply the dark evolutionary force of entropy that permeates all of nature and provides the drive for survival and propagation inherent in all living things. Satan is not a conscious entity to be worshipped, rather a reservoir of power inside each human to be tapped at will. Thus any concept of sacrifice is rejected as a Christian aberration—in Satanism there’s no deity to which one can sacrifice"
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The Nine Satanic Statements

Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence.

Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams.

Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit.

Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it, instead of love wasted on ingrates.

Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek.

Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires.

Satan represents man as just another animal (sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all fours), who, because of his “divine spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all.

Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification.

Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years.
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The Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth

Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.

Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.

When in another’s home, show them respect or else do not go there.

If a guest in your home annoys you, treat them cruelly and without mercy.

Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.

Do not take that which does not belong to you, unless it is a burden to the other person and they cry out to be relieved.

Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.

Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.

Do not harm young children, for they are the future.

Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked.

When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask them to stop. If they do not stop, destroy them.
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The Nine Satanic Sins

Stupidity — The top of the list for Satanic Sins, the Cardinal Sin. It’s too bad that stupidity isn’t painful. Ignorance is one thing, but our society thrives increasingly on stupidity. It depends on people going along with whatever they are told. The media promotes a cultivated stupidity as a posture that is not only acceptable but laudable. One must learn to see through the tricks and cannot afford to be stupid.

Pretentiousness—Empty posturing can be most irritating and isn’t applying the cardinal rules of Lesser Magic. On equal footing with stupidity for what keeps the money in circulation these days. Everyone’s made to feel like a big shot, whether they can come up with the goods or not.

Solipsism—Can be very dangerous. Projecting your reactions, responses and sensibilities onto someone who is probably far less attuned than you are. It is the mistake of expecting people to give you the same consideration, courtesy and respect that you naturally give them. They won’t. Instead, one must strive to apply the dictum of “Do unto others as they do unto you.” It’s work for most of us and requires constant vigilance lest you slip into a comfortable illusion of everyone being like you. As has been said, certain utopias would be ideal in a nation of philosophers, but unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately, from a Machiavellian standpoint) we are far from that point.

Self-deceit—It’s in the “Nine Satanic Statements” but deserves to be repeated here. We must not pay homage to any of the sacred cows presented to us, including the roles we are expected to play ourselves. The only time self-deceit should be entered into is when it’s fun, and with awareness. But then, it’s not self-deceit!

Herd Conformity—That’s obvious - it’s all right to conform to a person’s wishes, if it ultimately benefits you. But only fools follow along with the herd, letting an impersonal entity dictate to you. The key is to choose a master wisely instead of being enslaved by the whims of the many.

Lack of Perspective—Again, this one can lead to a lot of pain. You must never lose sight of who and what you are, and what a threat you can be, by your very existence. We are making history right now, every day. Always keep the wider historical and social picture in mind. That is an important key to both Lesser and Greater Magic. See the patterns and fit things together as you want the pieces to fall into place. Do not be swayed by herd constraints—know that you are working on another level entirely from the rest of the world.

Forgetfulness of Past Orthodoxies—Be aware that this is one of the keys to brainwashing people into accepting something new and different, when in reality it’s something that was once widely accepted but is now presented in a new package. We are expected to rave about the genius of the creator and forget the original. This makes for a disposable society.

Counterproductive Pride—That first word is important. Pride is great up to the point you begin to throw out the baby with the bathwater. The rule of Satanism is: if it works for you, great. When it stops working for you, when you’ve painted yourself into a corner and the only way out is to say, I’m sorry, I made a mistake, I wish we could compromise somehow, then do it.

Lack of Aesthetics—This is the physical application of the Balance Factor. Aesthetics is important in Lesser Magic and should be cultivated. It is obvious that no one can collect any money off classical standards of beauty and form most of the time so they are discouraged in a consumer society, but an eye for beauty, for balance, is an essential tool and must be applied for greatest magical effectiveness. It’s not what’s supposed to be pleasing—it’s what is. Aesthetics is a personal thing, reflective of one’s own nature, but there are universally pleasing and harmonious configurations that should not be denied.
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NO FFS STOOPIDS

a real atheist would says, who the heck knows unless you actually know

a person with the faith virus says he will go to heaven and you will burn in hell

I say, 'why does any thing exist at all, wouldn't it be easier if their was just empty space...'

'and where did it all come from and why is there so much of it and why does it intermingle to make such complex materials'

and why did your god make us have to consume other organisms for sustenance ffs ?!?! that is bat shit crazy
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The Nine Satanic Statements
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This is LaVeyan Satanism, basically meritocracy. "Either bring something to the table, or shut up & go away"
is their motto.

They don't drink blood and they are not into sacrifices or any other perverted crap like that, however there are several other types of Satanism, and they are not all so benign.
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The Nine Satanic Sins

Stupidity — The top of the list for Satanic Sins, the Cardinal Sin. It’s too bad that stupidity isn’t painful. Ignorance is one thing, but our society thrives increasingly on stupidity. It depends on people going along with whatever they are told. The media promotes a cultivated stupidity as a posture that is not only acceptable but laudable. One must learn to see through the tricks and cannot afford to be stupid.

Pretentiousness—Empty posturing can be most irritating and isn’t applying the cardinal rules of Lesser Magic. On equal footing with stupidity for what keeps the money in circulation these days. Everyone’s made to feel like a big shot, whether they can come up with the goods or not.

Solipsism—Can be very dangerous. Projecting your reactions, responses and sensibilities onto someone who is probably far less attuned than you are. It is the mistake of expecting people to give you the same consideration, courtesy and respect that you naturally give them. They won’t. Instead, one must strive to apply the dictum of “Do unto others as they do unto you.” It’s work for most of us and requires constant vigilance lest you slip into a comfortable illusion of everyone being like you. As has been said, certain utopias would be ideal in a nation of philosophers, but unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately, from a Machiavellian standpoint) we are far from that point.

Self-deceit—It’s in the “Nine Satanic Statements” but deserves to be repeated here. We must not pay homage to any of the sacred cows presented to us, including the roles we are expected to play ourselves. The only time self-deceit should be entered into is when it’s fun, and with awareness. But then, it’s not self-deceit!

Herd Conformity—That’s obvious - it’s all right to conform to a person’s wishes, if it ultimately benefits you. But only fools follow along with the herd, letting an impersonal entity dictate to you. The key is to choose a master wisely instead of being enslaved by the whims of the many.

Lack of Perspective—Again, this one can lead to a lot of pain. You must never lose sight of who and what you are, and what a threat you can be, by your very existence. We are making history right now, every day. Always keep the wider historical and social picture in mind. That is an important key to both Lesser and Greater Magic. See the patterns and fit things together as you want the pieces to fall into place. Do not be swayed by herd constraints—know that you are working on another level entirely from the rest of the world.

Forgetfulness of Past Orthodoxies—Be aware that this is one of the keys to brainwashing people into accepting something new and different, when in reality it’s something that was once widely accepted but is now presented in a new package. We are expected to rave about the genius of the creator and forget the original. This makes for a disposable society.

Counterproductive Pride—That first word is important. Pride is great up to the point you begin to throw out the baby with the bathwater. The rule of Satanism is: if it works for you, great. When it stops working for you, when you’ve painted yourself into a corner and the only way out is to say, I’m sorry, I made a mistake, I wish we could compromise somehow, then do it.

Lack of Aesthetics—This is the physical application of the Balance Factor. Aesthetics is important in Lesser Magic and should be cultivated. It is obvious that no one can collect any money off classical standards of beauty and form most of the time so they are discouraged in a consumer society, but an eye for beauty, for balance, is an essential tool and must be applied for greatest magical effectiveness. It’s not what’s supposed to be pleasing—it’s what is. Aesthetics is a personal thing, reflective of one’s own nature, but there are universally pleasing and harmonious configurations that should not be denied.

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some of that is pretty interesting and worth considering

but i disagree with the do as others do unto you, as that just keeps the cycle going, better to leave
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An athiest can believe in satan or worship, or pray to, or follow directives of, because athiest believe in no God. So to believe in a fallen angel would impy they believe in that casting of and hate punishment of God, there for the belief of a god would exist. An athiest can believe in the Sun's life giving properties because they witness it. Athiest can have spirituallity but it will not involve anything greater than themselves.
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An athiest can't believe in satan or worship, or pray to, or follow directives of, because athiest believe in no God. So to believe in a fallen angel would impy they believe in that casting of and hate punishment of God, there for the belief of a god would exist. An athiest can believe in the Sun's life giving properties because they witness it. Athiest can have spirituallity but it will not involve anything greater than themselves.
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I as an atheist do not believe in your said god or his foe satan. There for I am not doing satans work unknowingly because he just as your god do not exist.
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So if they don't believe in any god or supreme being....that includes satan?
 Quoting: Confucious-ed 27936521

Of course.
A true atheist doesn't believe in ANY form of supreme being.

That's what the word a-theist means.

It always makes me laugh when a believer stupidly says that an atheist 'hates' god.
How the fook can you hate something that doesn't exist?
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So if they don't believe in any god or supreme being....that includes satan?
 Quoting: Confucious-ed 27936521

Of course.
A true atheist doesn't believe in ANY form of supreme being.

That's what the word a-theist means.

It always makes me laugh when a believer stupidly says that an atheist 'hates' god.
How the fook can you hate something that doesn't exist?
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Athiests absolutely hate the idea of God. They don't seem to mind the idea of satan as much.
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So if they don't believe in any god or supreme being....that includes satan?
 Quoting: Confucious-ed 27936521

Of course.
A true atheist doesn't believe in ANY form of supreme being.

That's what the word a-theist means.

It always makes me laugh when a believer stupidly says that an atheist 'hates' god.
How the fook can you hate something that doesn't exist?
 Quoting: Karlos


Athiests absolutely hate the idea of God. They don't seem to mind the idea of satan as much.
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Then they really aren't atheists, are they?
We were meant to live for so much more, have we lost ourselves?
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So if they don't believe in any god or supreme being....that includes satan?
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what kinda question is this. Most atheists I have met just don't care for the religious BS on this planet.
The actual Lord's Prayer Given by Jesus 2000 years ago.

"MY SPIRIT, YOU ARE OMNIPOTENT. YOUR NAME IS HOLY. MAY YOUR REALM BE INCARNATE IN ME. MAY YOUR POWER REVEAL ITSELF WITHIN ME, ON EARTH AND IN THE HEAVEN. GIVE ME TODAY MY DAILY BREAD, AND THUS, LET ME RECOGNIZE MY TRANSGRESSIONS AND ERRORS, AND I SHALL RECOGNIZE THE TRUTH. AND DO NOT LEAD ME INTO TEMPTATION AND CONFUSION, BUT DELIVER ME FROM ERROR. FOR YOURS IS THE REALM WITHIN ME AND THE POWER AND THE KNOWLEDGE FOREVER,
AMEN.

Nice video: [link to www.youtube.com] Make this World a Better One

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an atheist cannot be a satanist for that very reason, however an atheist can be a luciferian and adhere to the luciferian doctrine that they are god or do what thou wilt you are in control and can do whatever you want. they dont worship satan but ARE doing satans work...albeit unknowingly.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1880593


Thats right..they do what the heck they want..like christians really..except they dont JUSTIFY their adultery and perversions and hates and pride and anger and envy and greed with "IM not perfect..JUST forgiven"

BOTH groups ACT the same..and DO the same...but one is HYPOCRITICAL about it..one is NOT.

Gues which ones are the hypocrites?
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So if they don't believe in any god or supreme being....that includes satan?
 Quoting: Confucious-ed 27936521

Of course.
A true atheist doesn't believe in ANY form of supreme being.

That's what the word a-theist means.

It always makes me laugh when a believer stupidly says that an atheist 'hates' god.
How the fook can you hate something that doesn't exist?
 Quoting: Karlos


Athiests absolutely hate the idea of God. They don't seem to mind the idea of satan as much.
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Then they really aren't atheists, are they?
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..........I'm not even going to try to explain.
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So if they don't believe in any god or supreme being....that includes satan?
 Quoting: Confucious-ed 27936521

Of course.
A true atheist doesn't believe in ANY form of supreme being.

That's what the word a-theist means.

It always makes me laugh when a believer stupidly says that an atheist 'hates' god.
How the fook can you hate something that doesn't exist?
 Quoting: Karlos


Athiests absolutely hate the idea of God. They don't seem to mind the idea of satan as much.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28304865

I find both, equally laughable.

What I do find abhorrent, are the atrocities perpetrated in the name of one deity or other.
Whether that be a 'god' or a 'devil' is irrelevant.
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im an atheist. i dont believe in, or pay lip service to any: god, demon, deity, angel, devil, "higher power", or any other spiritual nonsense. i dont worship anything. i fully accept that I am completely responsible for all my actions. i neither want, nor need, any spiritual scapegoats to blame my anti-social transgressions on, nor a spiritual "guiding light" to force me to conform to societal living.
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an atheist cannot be a satanist for that very reason, however an atheist can be a luciferian and adhere to the luciferian doctrine that they are god or do what thou wilt you are in control and can do whatever you want. they dont worship satan but ARE doing satans work...albeit unknowingly.
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No their not
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When a person awakens to find themselves a player in a game, and the controller named GOD, who in turn had given the world a rule book to the game, one might easily assume a atheist is a coward that could not pick a side in the game.
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you twit
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When a person awakens to find themselves a player in a game, and the controller named GOD, who in turn had given the world a rule book to the game, one might easily assume a atheist is a coward that could not pick a side in the game.
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you twit
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I just wrote a 9 line answer to that post, but have deleted it, because your answer is far more succinct - and hits the nail squarely on the head. :)

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