Astrological theoretical discussion - the change of the ages

ok now for a few basic cycles we are living through.

Pluto entered Capricorn in 2008. It will stay till 2024.
pluto is the planet of transformation
capricorn is the cardinal earth sign, the one ruling money and the 'system'
thus it triggered the financial crisis

Uranus entered Aries in the spring of 2011. It will stay till 2019.
It started a new 84 years cycle.
Uranus is the planet of revolution and freedom.
Aries is governed by Mars and it is an aggressive energy, the initiator of a cycle.
thus it triggered the Arab Spring wave of revolutions

Neptune entered Pisces in 2011/2012. It stays until 2025.
Neptune rules imagination and universal love. Pisces is its home, where its power is greatly magnified.
Neptune was discovered in Pisces, in 1846.
Now it is home again for the first time after its discovery.

the power of manifesting thoughts in reality will be greatly enhanced. the thinning of the veil. dreaming begets reality.

concerning planetary cycles and ages.
this is info from 'esoteric astrology' by alice bailey (1940)

there are three cycles that the sun passes through the zodiac:

1. The succession of the greater rounds of the zodiac or a period of cycles of approximately 250,000 years has a correspondence to the life cycle of the Monad.
2. The progress of the Sun as it passes through the signs in the zodiac during one of these 25,000 year cycles finds its analogy in the life cycle of the ego or soul.
3. The lesser zodiac covered—from the angle of extreme illusion—in the course of one year, corresponds to the life of the personality

furthermore, it is said that the last 250.000 round ended when the sun entered pisces 2000 years ago.
and that aquarius will rule both the next greater cycle of 25.000 years and the sun will be for the next 2300 years in aquarius:

"This is, therefore, the most amazing period in the history of humanity. Added to this, it must be borne in mind that we are entering another greater round of the Zodiac, and this coincides with the lesser zodiacal activity because Aquarius governs the greater immediate cycle of 25,000 years and is also the sign into which the sun is now moving for a period of 2300 years—a most amazing happening and full of import in our planetary history;"

Hello OP :)
Thanx for creating this thread and inviting me to join you...
We're heading out for a dinner engagement, but I'll be back around midnight (lor later LOL) for discussion. You've already starting with some awesome stuff... look forward to the exchange!!

Kismet

based on this line of thought, here

[link to www.esotericastrologer.org]

the date 2117 is identified as the full start of the Aquarian Age.

This has to do also with the special connection which exists between Venus and Aquarius according to esoteric astrology, and in turn with the Venus Transits:

"1st passage: 1631 & 1639
2nd passage: 1761 & 1769
3rd passage: 1874 & 1882
4th passage: 2004 & 2012
5th passage: 2117 & 2125 (thus covering a transitional period of 494 years)

These are the five focal passages for the transitional period from Pisces to Aquarius. "

so according to this line of thought we just entered the last venusian passage of the transition between Pisces and Aquarius

have a nice dinner, friend

Another interesting point from the same line of thought, is that Libra does not enter into Age rulership, but rules upon the transitions between two ages:

"In this transition period through which the world is now passing and in this interlude between two activities—that of the Piscean Age which is passing and that of Aquarius
which is coming in—Libra will eventually rule, and the end of this century will see the influence of Libra steadily coming into pronounced control and into a position of power in the planetary horoscope. There is, therefore, no need for real anxiety."

It has to do with restoring of the balance between polarities, so that the game can start anew.

and as Kismet said in the other thread about 21.12
it has to do with:
"The threshold of Dec. 21, 2012 holds great significance as after that date, we will find ourselves in slightly more positive than negative (as a collective) and it's THAT momentum (positive expands while negative contracts) that we will move us forward."

i hold a similar view and connect this with the rulership of Libra energy for restoration of balance

from a parallel theosophical line of russian descent (helena roerich/agni yoga):

" Magnetic needles quiver in changing direction. High tides are the natural result of a change in the direction of the Magnet. The Spatial Fire strains its magnetism and the subterranean fire is ready to break through. Hence, the workings of cosmic forces are most intensive. The decisive manifestations will occur in the battle of Uranus with Saturn. Therefore, although many currents are difficult, they are of much benefit."(1927)

in astrological terms a battle means an opposition. The oppositions between Saturn and Uranus happen roughly once 40 years.

it happened in '65-'67 (the hippie generation)
it happened in '08-'10 (what we have now)

I do not know how people like us now felt in the 60's.
If they felt that the great change is coming, in the same sense we do.
Subjectively probably they did. But objectively they were only the avantgarde. Then, it was the last battle won by Saturn (the system) against Uranus (freedom, aquarius ruler).

Now Uranus won the battle. The scales were tipped. And we are in full line preparation for the next age.

that is why what the people are feeling now, with the light becoming stronger and gaining momentum, is an objective spiritual/cosmic reality, not just subjective wishful thinking.

"The New Epoch is marked by the sign of Aquarius, and its ruler is Uranus. You probably know that the affirmation of the power of the rays of Uranus always coincides with new trends in the whole life of our planet. It is also significant that the co-ruler with Uranus is Saturn, this symbol of the dark forces. Thus, all great epochs were marked by these two opposites, this struggle of the forces of Light with the forces of darkness. The tension of one side correspondingly intensifies the opposite side. Victory in this battle is on the side of Uranus"

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

Somehow, it makes sense :)
and it's also a good laugh :)))

making/enjoying fun of serious SPIRITUAL matters will be a basic rule of the next age. :)

will read it tomorrow

for those who made it so far, you probably have access in some degree to straight-knowledge (reading between the lines with a clear mind, and seeing simple truths without getting confused by the rational/doubting mind)

you are aware that a change of guard is happening.
all the history of humanity that we know was based on separation.
now the numbers of those really wanting to live in unity and diversity is growing fast.
this are the seeds of the new aquarian race.
the coming sixth race. the indigos or whatever you want to call them.

"Precisely, the sixth race must begin the New Era, and this preparatory period is very strenuous. But it would be wrong to think that the sixth race is being born in one particular country or nationality; it is spread widely. Certainly, there is always the main kernel of the sixth race, and in the time of catastrophe its members will be gathered into places of safety."

"As for the sixth Race, those single individuals who belong to it are indeed born in all countries, and at the proper time the majority of them will be assembled in the principal and safe place. Just as the seeds of the Fifth Race were saved, so, also, the seeds of the Sixth will be safeguarded. "

"It would be more correct to say that the cycle of Kali Yuga is approaching its end on our planet and that we are now going through a transitory stage. Satya Yuga must begin with the affirmation of the sixth race, individual groups of which are already appearing on Earth. But the true era of Satya Yuga on our planet can begin only after the planet is purified of its unfit material and new continents are formed. As usual, the presages of the epoch appear much earlier, but the continents that are predestined to accept the majority of the sixth race can manifest many signs of the coming New Epoch. "

"The time which humanity is now experiencing is one of transition from the evolution of the intellect to the evolution of spirituality. This period will be marked by the achievement of the predominance of the spirit over the intellect. This transition will be completed during the change of races. Thus, the sixth race is now taking its rightful place. As you know, each change of races is accompanied by cosmic cataclysms. Such purification is necessary for the development of the new race. These cosmic cataclysms will take place as a result of the shifting of the earth's axis. The scientists of today most emphatically point to this shifting, which has been happening for some time and may result in catastrophes. "


"What is Armageddon? Armageddon is the great decisive Battle between the Forces of Light and darkness. It was predicted in all the ancient scriptures, and the name "Armageddon, as well as the description of it, can be found in the Apocalypse. The year 1936 is indicated as most significant. It is interesting to note that these calculations are also found in the pyramid of Cheops. Thus, today, we find ourselves in the midst of this Battle, which will increase. This Battle is still more fearful in the Subtle World, but eventually its reflections will be intensified on the earthly plane. Great is the tension of space, and the tensed fiery energies are surging in the subterranean and superterranean spheres, threatening an explosion. Verily, the planet is in convulsions. The time is most ominous. Verily, we are facing an incredible world catastrophe. As it is said, "The hostile elements of the race refuse to submit to destiny. The departing race seeks to destroy the chosen successors, but We must save them. Destiny may be eased and the battle ended sooner." So far, there are no signs of easement. But the ark of the sixth race is already being built. Let us trust that it will be larger than that of Noah."

If you read these passages (written in the '30) with heart intuition you will see that although continents rise and fall along with the great cycles of humanity. It is not yet the time, for this to happen. Because first the seeds of the next race must be gathered in safe places. And this will not be done in bunkers. It will come to be in an organic manner, alike people living together in certain parts of the world. Enjoying a true spiritual and happy life, outside the shitties. With flourishing true art, culture and knowledge.

What is happening now is just the trumpet of Uranus sounding for the gathering of the seeds of the future.

Last Edited by VenusRose on 11/23/2012 07:39 PM

Hi OP :)

I came back last nite after dinner to find the site was down - I tried for a couple hours with no luck.

I have about 1/2 hour now so I'm gonna go back and read your posts :)

Kismet

Jeez andrei this is a doozy, lol. Great work, and the sixth race post is most definitely interesting, I honestly hope and pray you will be able to be here and see it with me as well as with all the other things you have gotten to see during your learned lifetime. My kind regards,
EL

Neptune in Pisces - I'm a Pisces, this transit is soooooo exciting!!

I believe the planets are a reflection of what's happening rather than the reason. Not to disagree with how you've evaluated the above transits, because I feel it's the same thing, other than just to say, if I were to describe it, I'd say Uranus in Aries is a reflection of the Arab Spring wave of revolutions. Or, Pluto in Capricorn is a reflection of the financial crisis. Hope that makes sense!

All of these transits are very exciting because they are reflecting the current global consciousness back to us - a time of great change because we are making great changes - in the way we think, perceive, act and react.

Kismet

Great stuff!!

Here's a short vid re: Mayan Calendar and the cycles. Dude's pretty entertaining :) but it does give a preliminary understanding of the cycles in a coherent way - and it's only 11 minutes long :)

Kismet

yep, it makes perfect sense :)

"The statement is frequently made that astrology is an exact science but that is far from correct in spite
of the many mathematical computations. Astrology is based, curiously enough, upon illusion for, as
well you know, the zodiac is naught but the imaginary path of the sun through the heavens, and this as
it appears from the standpoint of our totally insignificant planet. The sun is not, as stated, in any sign of
the zodiac. It simply appears to be so as it passes between our little sphere, the Earth, and the
constellations at any particular time or season."

"The Ancient Wisdom teaches that "space is an entity." It is with the life of this entity and with the forces and energies, the impulses and the rhythms, the cycles and the times and seasons that esoteric astrology deals"

so yes. if we accept that the universe is a great being, constellation are beings, solar systems are beings, planets are beings, humanity is a being, human individuals are beings and so on.

and as this great being is a grand organism, with many layers (micro/macro metaphor) there is a complex mechanism through which various layers are informed about the workings of the whole.

so yes what we perceive as astrological transits like the ones above are expressions of the unfolding of the consciousness of humanity, and a tool of astrology is the best way to inform us through our illusion that all is connected the causes are always spiritual, and not at the level of outer phenomena

All of creation tells a story...

[His]story...

Who's story?

As you know I noted in another thread, I calculate Age of Aquarius beginning at 133 years from now, based on a 2,150 cycle (tho I know 2,160 is often used - this gets tricky in calculating the span(size) of a constellation) with my start date of the Age of Pisces being Feb. 18, 5 BC - thus, in 2012, we are 2017 years into the Age of Pisces. With a 2,160 cycle (age), then 143 years from now, at 2155.

I totally agree with the idea of the five focal passages for the transitional phase. I quickly scanned over the page you linked - a few new terminologies for me, and I'm excited to read it more indepth.

I'm out of keyboard time right now.... gotta dash... but I'll be back later tonite or tomorrow :)

Kismet

You truly do have a way with words - wonderfully written!

I think you and I will absolutely agree that all that is, is in fact, all that is - nothing is outside of it, and it is experienced within itself. All the manifestation within it (universe, galaxies, solar systems, planets, humans, etc., are an expressions of, and therefore a reflection of, itself.

I'm so sorry I have to dash out.....
please, let's continue later :)

Kismet

Actually OP, one more quick thing before I go..... LOL

Plot a chart using sidereal with the date Feb. 18th 5 BC (or minus 4) 9:05 p.m. with co-ordinates 35 degrees 12 E and 31 degrees 43 N

Let me know what you think :)

Kismet

back to add.... and use Placidus Houses :)

Kismet

Man am i glad y'all are talking about this. Astrology is my weakest subject matter i wish i knew more about. It contains the most concret evidence that things do work in a divine way throught the universe, and effect's what goes on here and elsewhere.

Peace:)

Last Edited by DoubleHelix on 11/24/2012 03:42 PM

:) the symbol for the sun's degree in that sidereal chart is:

"Ancient runes carved at random on grey rocks

How we see things is the most determinative factor of all. We influence all the combinations of destiny, karma, and fate more than we know. It is not just a matter of subconscious current. Our whole being is engaged in a subtle, pervasive dialogue with our immediate world, in which we do most of the talking, we are the ones who speak the loudest and longest and insist upon a pattern, a coherence that we bring from within our own essence, and then indeed the pattern is there, the world opens up, everything reveals it’s mysteries.
Once we are fully engaged with our biography and its multiple resonances’, we are given a task. That task will show up in any and every form we can track it down. It will seek us out. Whatever its variant forms and manifestations, the task here is to spill out and spill over. For we have such a starry center of selfhood and we are alive to so many ritual enactment’s around us that we are a walking destiny-being in the flesh. And such a one can be very fertile and fruitful for others if they can give of what they bear freely, effortless, spontaneously.
A highly unusual gift accompanies this transmission. We are the meeting ground of worlds, the crossing point. Therefore, we can reveal, we can tap, we can attune to the myriad signatures of how each and every world intersects the other optimally. We know these things from inside, and the only thing our mind can do is support and affirm what is right there to be witnessed with open eye.
There is also one terrible dilemma. We cannot get away from anything ever. We are right behind the 8-ball. No matter what we do, there we are facing ourselves with the next level of what we need to see. The only graceful response is to get into it, to be right there every time."

you see i started with astrology while i was still caught in the mechanism of the little self, ego or persona.
and as i am born with venus rising, i was pretty narcissistic. the little me enjoyed reading about how cool he is. i did read all i could get about 'me' for about 3 years. only then i started to be a little bored, and went on about reading about others etc.

and little by little i started to notice certain recurrent patterns, which added and added, pointing a more and more perfect synchronicity between the cosmic clock and how life unfolded from my perspective.
and this was witnessed by a very scientific mind. so it was pretty hard for it to digest synchronicities which are way out of standard astrological correlations.

and although it is quite a lot for the small mind to accept such things. on the other hand, from a cosmic vantage point is really not such a great deal to witness one's life experience in perfect mathematical correlation with the cosmic clock. yet, it is a blessing to witness this consciously from inside the little one.

so about that chart. first i am eager to see what do you make of it, because you invested energy already in this undertaking. and perhaps, afterwards i will be able to add some further insight. but only afterwards.

my idiosyncratic way of looking to such charts is by looking to some sensible points in the wheel. vesta, lilith, a certain asteroid roerich (4424)are some of the sensible points life has forced me to take into account upon my path.

Last Edited by VenusRose on 11/24/2012 04:10 PM

The most important of all is Regulus entering Virgo, completing the Grand Mutable Stellar Cross.

welcome brother.
astrology is but one way that leads to the same concrete understanding of how all universe is alive, and all is connected

some are born blessed with this understanding in a conscious manner.
some are born to live in this way, although disconnected at a conscious mental level, and they have to get back on track.
some refuse with all their power to accept this basic fact.

but the real beauty starts once one grounds that simple concrete understanding in oneself. after that, all is just the divine beauty of the universe unfolding, at all levels, micro-personal to macro-cosmic.

from that place of concrete spiritual understanding about the divinity of all, one can easily grasp the usefulness of I Ching, Tarot, Astrology or other methods.

They are simply ways to let the Universe guide you, speak through you, accept its invitation to dance, to be dynamic and to get rid of the little grumpy disconnected "I"

if we let ourselves taken by the inertia of the little "I" we tend to enact more or less the same habitual patterns and dispositions of our daily routine.

the little "I" wants to be unique and all, but in the end it is the same boring and ugly dance, because he does not let himself guided by the hand of the universe.

one can use I Ching to overcome this. There are 64 concrete possibilities of playing one's day. So if one really has the courage to play, one can let chance/universe to pick the form of manifestation of that particular day. And then play it by the book.

From one to infinity is a long road. And although one is already in infinity, this is true in an unconscious (potential) manner. The beauty rests in walking the road, in manifesting that infinity in concrete. The voyage of the Fool.

astrology can be used in the same way...
for life is a play...
but whose role should we enact...
when there is chaos inside and many archetypes fight for enactment...
shall it be mars today? or venus?...
to get to know the inner players and their styles...
is but the first step towards achieving inner harmony

there are lists of symbols so fine tuned that one gets his unique symbolic story...
and if one is at the level to truly believe out of his own free will...
that basic concrete fact of life universal...
then he will find much joy in reflecting his self in a combination of symbols which hold true only for one self...
being universal in scope in the same time...

hope i managed to transmit the message :)

Last Edited by VenusRose on 11/24/2012 04:47 PM

developing you understanding would be very much welcome...
it is not anymore about cryptic messages...
that some might get because they have the inner key...
it is about expressing the beauty of cosmic drama...
so others can see it for the first time

The transition or movement of fixed stars from one astrological sign to another is the slowest and most dramatic of all, more so than the movement of the outer planets across the zodiac signs.

yes and Regulus is one of the four arms of the Grand cross with aldebaran and other two (they don't come to mind at the moment)

long time ago they pointed to the equinoxes and solstices (when was this exactly, because i do not have it in mind now)

and when exactly did Regulus entered Virgo from Leo.

all i'm asking friend is joining together with the bits of knowledge we have gathered in this field, to co-create together a nice and insightful thread for others to enjoy, whose path din not yet lead them in understanding the movement of the Grand Clock