Astrological theoretical discussion - the change of the ages

That's interesting I had a strange experience where I was told telepathically that planets and stars that we see are three d manifestations of consciousness groups

It's like e8 theory .... consciousness comes together as a result of vibrations and forms the elements

That's how I understood it anyway

Each consciousness group is given aspects that "dominate" or "rule" or have influence over the material world for a certain period of time.

Many of us are from these consciousness groups and are thrown together in one place to try to get along and then we separate again. It's like the universe is trying out different combinations or aspects to see what combinations work and which don't and to try to resolve those that don't . It's like he universe is doing this while it "breathes" in and out.

Garrett Lisi theory of everything or e8

this is an example of aquarian age abstract thinking.
the capacity to detach from emotional/materialistic biases still so prevalent today and to put together basic premises and play with them. the foremost and most important being the primacy of consciousness which pervades all parts and the universe as a whole.

cheers

Thank you for this thread.

Since the tropical system is a Solar-based system (season based), many feel this system works well for describing the personality and psychological patterns. Many consider the The Vedic (sidereal) system better at describing the soul nature and is more linked to actual events (as it's tied to the actual fixed constellations) Both systems have worth to the astrologer. The position of the planets and their relationship to one another (aspects) is not dependent on either system.

Kismet

Nicely said :)

Take it a step further.....
We are all fractals of the greater whole. Within our consciousness lives pieces of all consciousness (including the universe, solar system, etc) so it is "us" that is doing this while we breathe in and out :)

Kismet

+1

it's all about perspective and different layers inside one self (personality/soul/spirit) and outside one self (tropical geocentric / sidereal heliocentric / galactic)

it really is an enjoyable thread. and thx for you being a catalyst for starting it

Andreidita.... it is I that must thank you :) I know you invited me here for a theoretical discussion of astrology, BUT, since that thread when I 'met' you, I have since been reading a number of your posts in other threads, and in doing so, I've found clarity on something that your perspective helped bring about.

I may have been the catalyst for starting this thread, and astrology may have been the catalyst for me coming here, but, there was a definite reason for both to occur :)

Thank you!!
Kismet

you know, Kismet...
this is what i really love about Mind...
the capacity to join in a process of detached co-operative effort of furthering understanding based on mutual acceptance for one's thoughts and others thoughts as having equal validity.

and if this is not a trademark of aquarian energy...
as oposed to the emotional bias of one's beliefs in a spirit of contradiction with other's seemingly different beliefs, that was the trademark of the piscean energy...

glad to be of service, always (virgo rising with venus on the cusp talking :) )

hihi

Indeed!!!

I have an Aquarian Moon (LOL, guess I'm gonna drive that earlier poster nuts!! LOL) Thru this journey I have learned (actually, remembered) that ALL is valid - and once we remove judgement, we can feel this truth much deeper. Even when I come across ideas that I don't prefer, I still value that perspective as valid, and an opportunity for me to learn more and more about me :)

Kismes

made a slight correction :P

Dear OP

The Vedic system takes into account even further divisions of signs into constellations, called the 27 Lunar mansions or Nakshatras. And the knowledge was cognized by Seers which began with Parashara and led to many great texts by other Seers detailing the effects of the influences not in sutras but in different contexts relating to the system which was derived from direct perception. A more elaborate astrology naturally came into play, but it stems from direct cognition, not just some threads of Sutras as you described.

Western astrology HAS been described in terms of better addressing the Soul since it is mostly based off the Sun. But that is a typical Western astrologers excuse for not catching up with Reality, and the fault through which the entire system which is so greatly accepted is clearly demonstrated by the lack of consistency with the actual placements of the planets in relevance to the persons experience.

Its very easy to go spiritual airy fairy on things, everyting is connected blah blah. But to actually know WHY things work, is where science will one day open up to the more poswerful underlying laws of reality. And under this context, it DOES matter what system you are using, and where it comes from. Otherwise we are all lost to our whimsicle abilities to comprehend with no real substance. Just sayin..

:) i already said that vedic astrology originated in esoteric knowledge cognized by Seers. So everything you expound in the first part of the reply, i had already agreed with by force of implication :)
why you prefer to pick upon one word (sutras - which is not even incorrect, though incomplete. and mind you, i did not say only sutras) i could only explain as a little old age piscean influence in the way you perceive what others have to say :)

i do not have at the moment conscious Seer abilities, so it is only decent that i would refrain to say which system correctly describes Reality.

and i have a hunch that neither do you :)

cheers

assuming consciousness forms in fields of magnetic
energy, then all magnetic fields have the potential
of archiving awareness; like earth and the sun.
wonder how it feels like to be the internet, scared?

Then with all due respect OP, it appears your intuition is about as bad as your understandings about the Real science. How can anyone talk about something they cant even experience? Its not a good place to begin, but I do appreciate the chance to Enlighten you on the topic. Notice the Moon transits, especially when it enters Taurus and Cancer according to the Sidereal that is. Since you Moon governs the mind, notice a certain element of comfort and peace, in Taurus Moon is considered Exalted. Notice when it transits Jupiter, or Mars, if you follow the sidereal zodiac you will actually have many opportunities to Directly experience the Planets. Afterall that is what you seem to be missing, direct experience :)

Ummm, OK.

Thread: Will the Venus Transit act as a trigger like in 2004, with the Tsunami?

Thread: More on the Pluto entering Capricorn discussion..

you don't bother to try to understand what other is saying :)
it is as simple as that.
i did not say that i do not have intuition, or that i do not have personal experience with planets.

I said that i do not have Seer abilities in this matter at this time. This means that i do not have etheric vision / buddhic perception at will.
The Seers were the guys that gave the original systems. They saw and understood the reality which they expressed in symbolic/intellectual forms.
You and me taking from granted some astrology systems of old we do not have that ability. We are just trying to understand reality. It totally different. You use rules given by others to understand the influence of the planets upon humans. You did not devise the system. So you are not a Seer :)

Instead you are quick to attribute lack of understanding to others, claiming understanding for you at levels that you do not have(seer abilities).
I would be more humble instead of you :)

cheers

It is interesting, but i think the claims lack co-measurment.

First of all the problem with the 'system' that we are facing, has a timeframe of at least 2000 years. It is endemic to the whole age of pisces.

Further, Capricorn in Capricorn will have effect at two different levels
- one is a collective effect upon humanity today (during the transit)
-another is the influence upon the kids born in this gneeration, which will reach the maturity of their manifestation and impact around 2050

This effect is blended with other generational influences of Neptune and Uranus. So it's a quite complicated process how it will unfold into manifestation.
We can have a glimpse of the general direction though, based on the assumption the Change is Happening.
and this is validated at many levels.
although it is one thing to feel the smell of change in the air.
and quite another to know what will be the exact unfoldment of the process of change, the exact timing etc

the first conclusion is based on common sense which has its root in intuition.

the second is unwarranted

i have made a little digression, but it is about the point of the thread

cheers

This is a possibility.
From a scientific point of view, in the sense according to the methodology of predicting reality this is hypothesis is inductively valid.

If it will happen again in a timeframe until the summer of 2013, and this would mean that something has to happen on the pacific coast of america near that point indicated, then it will be a valid correlation

From a logical/scientific point of view, this is the best predictive explanation i know that would account for a catastrophic event in that area in the next 6 months.

In comparison, the hypothesis of a epochal event happening on 21.12.2012 is completely unwaranted from a logical/scientific point of view. The mayan writings do not say anything about this specific date, or about the duration in time of epoch, or when their epoch started.
The only calculations found are about the transits of venus, and how to calculate when they happen.

n because I don't want to lose it.

Because this is interesting

Regarding the cosmic alignment during the solstice:

that alignment will form a mega-cannon
from what i've read at the moment jupiter lies on the other part of the sun
so the alignment is in this order
galactic rift - orion - jupiter - sun - earth - moon

esoterically orion is the heart of the galactic plane
an jupiter is the heart of the solar system

moon is the astral cemetery of the last planet where our humanity evolved

so they might try false flags
but archangel michael already defeated the the army of satan
it really doesn't matter when exactly happened because the cosmic clock is not revealed yet
but it will in due time

so what will happen is that it will be a great cleanse at the astral plane
remember that super moon means that the moon is on the receiving side and in closest proximity lock-down with earth

so the reptilian stronghold on the dark side of the moon
reptilians being 4th(astraL) dimensional beings will be obliterated from the system

the moon archon is not targeted
all archons are part of the management system
the 4-d reptilians/snakes have finished their job in this solar system
if you look at the alignment of today (21st june)

you will see that also earth-moon-saturn are in alignment

the moon-saturn connection is well known

the lock-down has been established

they will leave through moon - via saturn gate - back to their home constellation

check this thread for more info

Thread: What is happening? 21st of JUNE - Summer S o l s t i c e and impending cataclysm.

also regarding the meeting of Solar and Lunar calendars

on the day of Pentecost/Rusalia/Summer Solstice

which is the same Feast but counted on different calendars

SOlstice - Sun calendar the same as Christmas

Easter - Lunar calendar

"23 june is the orthodox feast of RUSALII (rosalia/pentecost)

Rosalia was the Feast of The Roses

This year it coincides with The Feast of The Fairies (3 days after the summer solstice), of which The Fairy of Roses is the Purest of them all

Tonight we will Have the Super Full Moon

We had on solstice a great Cosmic Alignment

The Rose is the Symbol of The Virgin Mary

[link to campus.udayton.edu]

It is Also the Venus Rose

[link to www.mysticmamma.com]


SO The Sun and Moon met at last today

And where Joined by Time

that is the Same HolyDAY coincides in both Solar and Lunar calendar"

Thread: The DAY is Today

and again the power of Numbers confirms Truth

to those who have eyes to see and ears to hear

The Iron Rod has also Astro-Logic significance:

"to all those spirits that had come at this time in embodiment to build the future and to restore balance upon earth, let it be known that:

the iron rod mentioned in revelation is a direct reference to the energy poured from the Libra constellation, of which it is told:

"In this transition period through which the world is now passing and in this interlude between two activities—that of the Piscean Age which is passing and that of Aquarius which is coming in—Libra will eventually rule, and the end of this century will see the influence of Libra steadily coming into pronounced control and into a position of power in the planetary horoscope. There is, therefore, no need for real anxiety."

"It is for this reason that the constellation Libra occupies a unique place in the Great Wheel, for it is the energy coming from this constellation which controls what we might call (for lack of a more suitable word) the "hub of the wheel." This is that point in intermediate space where the twelve zodiacal energies meet and cross. Libra, therefore, controls the "moment of reversal of the wheel" in the life of every aspirant, for there comes a moment in the cycle of lives wherein a point of balance is reached and a relative equilibrium is attained, and over this event Libra presides."


Let is also be known that the Mother of the World is showing her face again:

"The star of the Mother of the World is the planet Venus"

"Of course, the "Mother of the World" is at the head of the Great Hierarchy of Light of our planet. Read in the Cryptograms of the East the narrative about the Mother of the World, and accept it as the highest reality. Behind each symbol stands a High Individuality, and each symbol covers a great reality. Each Great Individuality has its deputies, or personifiers, who are nearest to its Ray, and sometimes one of these Great Individualities personally incarnates - hence, the concept of the Avatar."


During the period between the 2 venus transits (2004-2012) her warriors of light and love were initiated in subtle spheres, in various degrees of consciousness at the surface level.


Let it also be known that the turning of the wheel occured during the taurus full moon in the spring of 2010. This cosmic event was foretold by two different sources at different levels with more than 50 years earlier:

"The decisive manifestations will occur in the battle of Uranus with Saturn."

and

"The era of peace will be ushered in by a gathering together on earth of the forces which stand for construction, and development, and by a conscious deliberate banding together of groups in every land who embody the principle (as far as they can vision it) of Brotherhood. Watch the signs of the times, and be not discouraged over the immediate future. The appearance of the Great Lord on the astral plane (whether followed by His physical incarnation or not) will date from a certain Wesak festival at which a mantram (known only to those attaining the seventh Initiation) will be pronounced by the Buddha, thus setting loose force, and enabling His great Brother to fulfil his mission."

the exact opposition between Uranus and Saturn in the last degrees of Virgo/Pisces occured during the Taurus/Wesak full moon of 2010.

Let it be also known that as Libra is ruled on the exoteric level by Venus, on the esoteric level by Uranus, and on the hierarchical level by Saturn, its influence will be felt on three levels:

those pure souls who live under the rule of love (true in christ) will be guided and drawn together magnetically under the guidance of the Mother of the World/Venus

the new leaders will receive individual initiations under the ray of Uranus, the ruler of the Aquarius Age

the rest, who chose the path of Saturn instead of that of Venus ( who chose ego/matter against love/soul) will be dealt on a hierarchical level under the rule of their master, Saturn

let it be known, that by cosmic decree it shall be so. and all those who understand what it is said here, are granted full power of manifestation towards Restoring the Balance of the World"

Thread: The Iron Rod