Have known, as do many , that YAHshua/Jesus was born well before 0 AD, and it wasn't the current December either, thats a sungod/TPTB lie, have noticed lately some are saying 12BC not 6BC, and their are many variations in between, however, the scriptures make clear certain historical, natural and universal phenomenon that occurred prior, during and after the Lords incarnational gestation and birth, which when all taken into account make clear which/what year he was born in that manger in Bethlehem