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Secession - Distraction or Trap?

 
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"We could dismiss this post-election phenomenon as a temper tantrum for sore losers except the media has been seeding the public consciousness with secession rhetoric and a new Civil War meme."
-Richard Evans

There were secessionist movements in Texas as far back as the 1990s before anyone heard of Barack Obama.

For example, you might occasionally see a TEXAS SECEDE bumper sticker; however, these were fringe gestures.

But, since Obama's re-election, the Texas secession movement picked up considerable support. In addition, we now see strong secession petitions in all the southern states, and these have spread to all 50 states. The most bizarre aspect of this movement is where these petitions are hosted. The White House!

Oddly, The Obama Administration established a method to petition his own administration online. However, for anyone seriously seeking their state's secession from the USA, they need to petition their own state legislature.

Why isn't The Obama Administration telling Americans that the President lacks jurisdiction to rule on these petitions? And why are Americans being misdirected and distracted in this matter? Apparently, the Texas petition has already crossed The White House threshold (25,000 signatures) requiring Obama to officially respond.


WHO'S REALLY BEHIND THESE POST-ELECTION SOUR GRAPES SECESSION MOVEMENTS?

We could dismiss this post-election phenomenon as a temper tantrum for sore losers except the media has been seeding the public consciousness with secession rhetoric and a new Civil War meme (imitative scenario). The hidden hand always does this when they want the public to play MONKEY SEE MONKEY DO: so this movement is the brainchild of higher-ups.

Last summer, we had the movie Lincoln the Vampire slayer: In September, we had PBS' "Death and the Civil War." Now Steven Spielberg's Lincoln showing all over America.


THE CIVIL WAR NIGHTMARE

Everyone should have the American Civil War well in mind. Does anyone in their right mind want a renewal of that nightmare? Of course not!

The mass media is using PREDICTIVE PROGRAMMING to seed a new American Civil War meme.

Last Sunday night, there was even a blurb on THE SIMPSONS TV Show about the new secession movement, so the idea is being widely disseminated as part of a larger mind control operation.

It would be foolish to divorce your husband or wife unless the divorce were part of a larger life plan. So why should Texas or any state divorce America unless it is part of a larger plan with definite objectives?

There has been no announcement of the ulterior objectives of secession.

Americans in any state should see and understand the entire secessionist package before they support anything so dangerous. They should also investigate the real motives of the secret instigators of these secession plans.

Actually, the 1860s Texans were not inclined to rebel which is why the power that be sent down the Knights of the Golden Circle (KGC) to hijack Texas.

Anton Chaitkin noted in Chapter 12 of Treason In America correctly entitled How The Eastern Establishment Ran Southern Secession, "The secessionists simply pulled a coup, deposing Governor Houston and calling a rump "election."

"Their announcement that secessionists delegate-candidates received 40,000 votes, to 10,000 for their opponents, must be matched against the state's official 600,000 population at that-time."

I think when the time is right the PTB will supply the "terrorist" leadership, because I doubt they can provoke today's Texans to rebel without a fuel or food shortage.


PRECAUTIONS

In this connection, precautions have been taken for anyone foolish enough to join a rebellious movement. The US Military and local police are conducting drills aimed at suppressing rebellion in American cities.

Crazy as it sounds, these military drills are called 'Zombie Apocalypse'. For example, a 'Zombie Apocalypse' Training Drill was conducted by Halo Corp. last Oct. 31, 2012 (Halloween) in San Diego, California. Several such drills have been conducted in other American cities too.

On top of that, Congress approved an Indefinite Detention Law [suspension of habeas corpus] in the National Defense Authorization Act and President Obama signed it December 31, 2011.

This law allows The Obama Administration to arrest anyone without charges or hearing and lock them up in a FEMA detention camp for the duration the War On Terror.

The new indefinite detention provision of the law was decried as a "historic assault on American liberty." And as might be expected, the mass media is keeping the lid on this story.


IRONICALLY LINCOLN SET A PRECEDENT

Abraham Lincoln suspended Habeas Corpus during the Civil War in order to silence his political critics. Hundreds of newspaper editors and writers found themselves arrested without charges and detained in deplorable military holding pens across America.

"The number of such executive arrests has been variously estimated up to as high as 38,000. The War Department records, confessedly very incomplete, show over 13,000." ( 21 Columbia Law Review, pp. 527-28)

Remember this was only in the North. Lincoln imprisoned every prominent politician, clergyman, lawyer, doctor and particularly newspaper editor that dared disagree with his Civil War policies. He even threatened to imprison the Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court for ruling against him in a case before the court.

Ron Paul asks "Are We Free To Go?" Sure Ron, but only if we can win a new war of secession. AND WE CAN'T.


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Interesting...
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Sadly true. Inasmuch as most advocates of secession won't criticize the ZOG in any way, they're either too ignorant to even attempt so difficult an endeavor or controlledOp. Individual/small group survival plans will likely be much more effective once the system begins to collapse under its own weight.
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the only trap would be petitioning the federal gov. and giving them a list of all would be, could be dissenters. However secession is a part of this great country that most seem to not know or acknowledge. How do you think we became the United States. If these folks truly wanted secession they should be petitioning their respective state reps. and local govs. If you plan on seceding you need not the permission of the gubmint all you need to do is read the first paragraph of the Decleration of Independence. Self explanatory and the fact that we have changed to a democratic corpautcricy effectively mob rule. Rome is burning. WAKE UP AMERICA.
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"I love the man that can smile in trouble, that can gather strength from distress, and grow brave by reflection. 'Tis the business of little minds to shrink; but he whose heart is firm, and whose conscience approves his conduct, will pursue his principles unto death."
Thomas Paine, The American Crisis, No. 1, December 19, 1776
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom, must, like men, undergo the fatigues of supporting it."

Thomas Paine, The American Crisis, No. 4, September 11, 1777
"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a monied aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power (of money) should be taken away from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs." -- Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President.
"A majority of the people of the United States have lived all of their lives under emergency rule. For 40 years, [79 years now in 2012] freedoms and governmental procedures guaranteed by the Constitution have in varying degrees been abridged by laws brought into force by statutes of national emergency."
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Sadly true. Inasmuch as most advocates of secession won't criticize the ZOG in any way, they're either too ignorant to even attempt so difficult an endeavor or controlledOp. Individual/small group survival plans will likely be much more effective once the system begins to collapse under its own weight.
 Quoting: Smash_The_ZOG 10010905


The petitions were pointless because the president does not have jurisdiction to rule on the petitions in the first place.
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the only trap would be petitioning the federal gov. and giving them a list of all would be, could be dissenters. However secession is a part of this great country that most seem to not know or acknowledge. How do you think we became the United States. If these folks truly wanted secession they should be petitioning their respective state reps. and local govs. If you plan on seceding you need not the permission of the gubmint all you need to do is read the first paragraph of the Decleration of Independence. Self explanatory and the fact that we have changed to a democratic corpautcricy effectively mob rule. Rome is burning. WAKE UP AMERICA.
 Quoting: WAKEUPAMERICA01


Yep all those signatures are now on the kill list
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I dont know about that but definitly signed up for re-education.
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"I love the man that can smile in trouble, that can gather strength from distress, and grow brave by reflection. 'Tis the business of little minds to shrink; but he whose heart is firm, and whose conscience approves his conduct, will pursue his principles unto death."
Thomas Paine, The American Crisis, No. 1, December 19, 1776
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom, must, like men, undergo the fatigues of supporting it."

Thomas Paine, The American Crisis, No. 4, September 11, 1777
"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a monied aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power (of money) should be taken away from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs." -- Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President.
"A majority of the people of the United States have lived all of their lives under emergency rule. For 40 years, [79 years now in 2012] freedoms and governmental procedures guaranteed by the Constitution have in varying degrees been abridged by laws brought into force by statutes of national emergency."
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I dont know about that but definitly signed up for re-education.
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Yeah that's speculation but who knows
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"Ordo Ab Chao".

The modus operandi of the illuminati. That says it all. As long as you keep an identity to yourself which you didn't create nor did it create you, you will fall into the grips of the illuminati. They will break down structures and re-create them and the masses running here and there will know no better.Just focus on your development as an individual and dont pay too much attention on the noise made by the illuminati.

You didnt create the state of Texas nor did it create you for you to identify with it or any other societal grouping. That being said the real issue is our individual responses to these events. You are your own authority and you/we need to rise to that challenge of living in such a way that we dont need any authority to tell us what to think or do.

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"Ordo Ab Chao".

The modus operandi of the illuminati. That says it all. As long as you keep an identity to yourself which you didn't create nor did it create you, you will fall into the grips of the illuminati. They will break down structures and re-create them and the masses running here and there will know no better.Just focus on your development as an individual and dont pay too much attention on the noise made by the illuminati.

You didnt create the state of Texas nor did it create you for you to identify with it or any other societal grouping. That being said the real issue is our individual responses to these events. You are your own authority and you/we need to rise to that challenge of living in such a way that we dont need any authority to tell us what to think or do.
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its "ordo a chaos" and "Ordo Ab Chao" is incorrect
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"Ordo Ab Chao".

The modus operandi of the illuminati. That says it all. As long as you keep an identity to yourself which you didn't create nor did it create you, you will fall into the grips of the illuminati. They will break down structures and re-create them and the masses running here and there will know no better.Just focus on your development as an individual and dont pay too much attention on the noise made by the illuminati.

You didnt create the state of Texas nor did it create you for you to identify with it or any other societal grouping. That being said the real issue is our individual responses to these events. You are your own authority and you/we need to rise to that challenge of living in such a way that we dont need any authority to tell us what to think or do.
 Quoting: Ohwell


its "ordo a chaos" and "Ordo Ab Chao" is incorrect
 Quoting: -Makaveli



[link to 1.bp.blogspot.com]

Nuff Said...
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"Ordo Ab Chao".

The modus operandi of the illuminati. That says it all. As long as you keep an identity to yourself which you didn't create nor did it create you, you will fall into the grips of the illuminati. They will break down structures and re-create them and the masses running here and there will know no better.Just focus on your development as an individual and dont pay too much attention on the noise made by the illuminati.

You didnt create the state of Texas nor did it create you for you to identify with it or any other societal grouping. That being said the real issue is our individual responses to these events. You are your own authority and you/we need to rise to that challenge of living in such a way that we dont need any authority to tell us what to think or do.
 Quoting: Ohwell


its "ordo a chaos" and "Ordo Ab Chao" is incorrect
 Quoting: -Makaveli



[link to 1.bp.blogspot.com]

Nuff Said...
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thats the name of an album and it is not correct
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thats the name of an album and it is not correct
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1395 Ancient Craft Masonry Ordo ab Chao Order out of Chaos

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A Latin expression, meaning Order out of Chaos. A motto of the Thirty-third Degree, and having the same allusion as lug e tenebris, which see in this work.

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its "ordo a chaos" and "Ordo Ab Chao" is incorrect
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Nuff Said...
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thats the name of an album and it is not correct
 Quoting: -Makaveli


1395 Ancient Craft Masonry Ordo ab Chao Order out of Chaos

[link to freemasonry.bcy.ca]
 Quoting: Ohwell


[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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thats the name of an album and it is not correct
 Quoting: -Makaveli


1395 Ancient Craft Masonry Ordo ab Chao Order out of Chaos

[link to freemasonry.bcy.ca]
 Quoting: Ohwell


[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: -Makaveli


1395 - Ancient Craft Masonry - Ordo ab Chao - Order out of Chaos

[link to freemasonry.bcy.ca]

A Latin expression, meaning Order out of Chaos. A motto of the Thirty-third Degree, and having the same allusion as lug e tenebris, which see in this work.

[link to masonicdictionary.com]
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protesting leads to low voter turnout.
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the only trap would be petitioning the federal gov. and giving them a list of all would be, could be dissenters. However secession is a part of this great country that most seem to not know or acknowledge. How do you think we became the United States. If these folks truly wanted secession they should be petitioning their respective state reps. and local govs. If you plan on seceding you need not the permission of the gubmint all you need to do is read the first paragraph of the Decleration of Independence. Self explanatory and the fact that we have changed to a democratic corpautcricy effectively mob rule. Rome is burning. WAKE UP AMERICA.
 Quoting: WAKEUPAMERICA01


Yep all those signatures are now on the kill list
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Yep. Communist Bill Ayers are frothing over this long dream of killing 25,000,000 Americans to make communism work in USA...
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the only trap would be petitioning the federal gov. and giving them a list of all would be, could be dissenters. However secession is a part of this great country that most seem to not know or acknowledge. How do you think we became the United States. If these folks truly wanted secession they should be petitioning their respective state reps. and local govs. If you plan on seceding you need not the permission of the gubmint all you need to do is read the first paragraph of the Decleration of Independence. Self explanatory and the fact that we have changed to a democratic corpautcricy effectively mob rule. Rome is burning. WAKE UP AMERICA.
 Quoting: WAKEUPAMERICA01


Yep all those signatures are now on the kill list
 Quoting: -Makaveli


Yep. Communist Bill Ayers are frothing over this long dream of killing 25,000,000 Americans to make communism work in USA...
 Quoting: AlcoholicRunner


Some people think thats what they want but...........
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Definitely a trap. Those who have signed will likely be the first to be rounded up in the middle of the night. Seems to me that it gives TPTB the perfect opening into their One World plan.

I wonder how many of our names might be added to each of our state's petitions without our knowledge or consent.
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What about the people of TX who oppose secession if it were to happen?

I can almost guarantee the majority (not all, though) of the African-American population in TX are Obama Zombies and would protest very loudly and publicly if this were to happen.

What about them? Give them a chance to leave?

Also the rest of the minorities in TX, as well.

What about them?

IF (again, IF) this were to happen.
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What about the people of TX who oppose secession if it were to happen?

I can almost guarantee the majority (not all, though) of the African-American population in TX are Obama Zombies and would protest very loudly and publicly if this were to happen.

What about them? Give them a chance to leave?

Also the rest of the minorities in TX, as well.

What about them?

IF (again, IF) this were to happen.
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Texas is the only state that can legally secede but it would have to be the state legislature not the president. The president has no jurisdiction over a state secession.
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What about the people of TX who oppose secession if it were to happen?

I can almost guarantee the majority (not all, though) of the African-American population in TX are Obama Zombies and would protest very loudly and publicly if this were to happen.

What about them? Give them a chance to leave?

Also the rest of the minorities in TX, as well.

What about them?

IF (again, IF) this were to happen.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18622835


Texas is the only state that can legally secede but it would have to be the state legislature not the president. The president has no jurisdiction over a state secession.
 Quoting: -Makaveli


I thought the law says Texas can break up into four separate states, maximum----but those would have to immediately join the union themselves---------by law. High Court and all of that. And the Constitution of Texas.


And what about the African American population? That question was never answered.
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What about the people of TX who oppose secession if it were to happen?

I can almost guarantee the majority (not all, though) of the African-American population in TX are Obama Zombies and would protest very loudly and publicly if this were to happen.

What about them? Give them a chance to leave?

Also the rest of the minorities in TX, as well.

What about them?

IF (again, IF) this were to happen.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18622835


Texas is the only state that can legally secede but it would have to be the state legislature not the president. The president has no jurisdiction over a state secession.
 Quoting: -Makaveli


I thought the law says Texas can break up into four separate states, maximum----but those would have to immediately join the union themselves---------by law. High Court and all of that. And the Constitution of Texas.


And what about the African American population? That question was never answered.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18622835


I am not sure and dont know how to even answer that question.
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