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JEHOVAH, NOT Yahweh

 
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The coverdale bible from around the 1500s really shows how much they have screwed with the alphabet. Particularily the "u", "v", "i" and "y". The "j" hadn't come into use as of yet. [link to studybible.info]

I have highlighted just a few interesting uses of the "i", "u", and "y", but there are a lot more just in this short passage.~

Exodus 3:1-3:

1 Moses kepte the shepe of Iethro his father in lawe prest of Madian, & droue the shepe on the backsyde of the wyldernes, and came to the mountayne of God, Horeb. 2 And the angell of ye LORDE appeared vnto him in a flame of fyre out of the bush. And he sawe that ye bush brent wt fyre, and yet was not consumed, 3 and saide: I wil go hence, and se this greate sight, why ye bush is not brent.
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The coverdale bible from around the 1500s really shows how much they have screwed with the alphabet. Particularily the "u", "v", "i" and "y". The "j" hadn't come into use as of yet. [link to studybible.info]

I have highlighted just a few interesting uses of the "i", "u", and "y", but there are a lot more just in this short passage.~

Exodus 3:1-3:

1 Moses kepte the shepe of Iethro his father in lawe prest of Madian, & droue the shepe on the backsyde of the wyldernes, and came to the mountayne of God, Horeb. 2 And the angell of ye LORDE appeared vnto him in a flame of fyre out of the bush. And he sawe that ye bush brent wt fyre, and yet was not consumed, 3 and saide: I wil go hence, and se this greate sight, why ye bush is not brent.
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It's old English, but it's pronounced the same as it's modern varieties

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"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another." -- Galatians 5:14-26
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Wann finden denn die Enthüllungen statt?
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Revelation was written to warn Christians against Roman empire, the way the visions are written are different from visions in Daniel, Joel, Ezequiel. Those older visions were provided as vivid dreams while awake among history but Apocalypse is LITERATURE written in the FORM of those visions, one triggering 7 visions and other 7 and so on. SInce history is a cycle repeating itself, it's no wonder things happening in those ancient days of emperors also apply today.

German name of Jehovah with that W was always German sound of V, God's name never had the English W sound. Anglo Saxon wouldn't know because they also ignore their language sound is also a combo with French from Normands who were their masters.
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why do you people always write nonsense and act like you know it all.The Book of Revelation is happening NOW!
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Who is Yahweh?

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An excerpt...
"For those who still who are still confused about the phonological issue of sound changes between and within languages, the following historical-linguistic summary from the World Book Encyclopedia concerning the Y to J conversion as it relates to English should be helpful.

"The sound of the Hebrew letter jod came into English as the letter 'I,' used as a consonant and having the soft 'g' sound, like today's 'j.' In the past the letter 'I' was used as both a vowel (i) sound and as the consonant 'j' sound. The OED says that the sound of 'j,' though originally printed as 'I,' was pronounced as a soft 'g' (Oxford English Dictionary, Unabridged, 2nd Edition, Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1991, s.v. J). The 'JE' sound in JEHOVAH was spelled 'IE' and pronounced as 'JE.' To distinguish the consonant sound (soft 'g') of the letter 'I' from the vowel sound of 'I,' many scribes in the 1200s began putting a tail on the soft 'g' 'I',' making it look like our modern 'J.' The Spanish, in the 1500s, were the first to more consistently try to distinguish the consonant I (soft 'g') sound as the shape of a 'J.' At that same time English printers used 'J' and 'I' fonts interchangeably (as documented elsewhere in this book). During the 1600s, most languages began consistently using the extended 'I' form, now called a 'J,' to represent the 'j' (soft 'g') sound." [quoted in Riplinger, p. 418]"

In other words, JEHOVAH is Correct!

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"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another." -- Galatians 5:14-26
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Who is Yahweh?

[link to av1611.com]

An excerpt...
"For those who still who are still confused about the phonological issue of sound changes between and within languages, the following historical-linguistic summary from the World Book Encyclopedia concerning the Y to J conversion as it relates to English should be helpful.

"The sound of the Hebrew letter jod came into English as the letter 'I,' used as a consonant and having the soft 'g' sound, like today's 'j.' In the past the letter 'I' was used as both a vowel (i) sound and as the consonant 'j' sound. The OED says that the sound of 'j,' though originally printed as 'I,' was pronounced as a soft 'g' (Oxford English Dictionary, Unabridged, 2nd Edition, Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1991, s.v. J). The 'JE' sound in JEHOVAH was spelled 'IE' and pronounced as 'JE.' To distinguish the consonant sound (soft 'g') of the letter 'I' from the vowel sound of 'I,' many scribes in the 1200s began putting a tail on the soft 'g' 'I',' making it look like our modern 'J.' The Spanish, in the 1500s, were the first to more consistently try to distinguish the consonant I (soft 'g') sound as the shape of a 'J.' At that same time English printers used 'J' and 'I' fonts interchangeably (as documented elsewhere in this book). During the 1600s, most languages began consistently using the extended 'I' form, now called a 'J,' to represent the 'j' (soft 'g') sound." [quoted in Riplinger, p. 418]"

In other words, JEHOVAH is Correct!
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Argue against THAT!
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"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another." -- Galatians 5:14-26
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Who is Yahweh?

[link to av1611.com]

An excerpt...
"For those who still who are still confused about the phonological issue of sound changes between and within languages, the following historical-linguistic summary from the World Book Encyclopedia concerning the Y to J conversion as it relates to English should be helpful.

"The sound of the Hebrew letter jod came into English as the letter 'I,' used as a consonant and having the soft 'g' sound, like today's 'j.' In the past the letter 'I' was used as both a vowel (i) sound and as the consonant 'j' sound. The OED says that the sound of 'j,' though originally printed as 'I,' was pronounced as a soft 'g' (Oxford English Dictionary, Unabridged, 2nd Edition, Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1991, s.v. J). The 'JE' sound in JEHOVAH was spelled 'IE' and pronounced as 'JE.' To distinguish the consonant sound (soft 'g') of the letter 'I' from the vowel sound of 'I,' many scribes in the 1200s began putting a tail on the soft 'g' 'I',' making it look like our modern 'J.' The Spanish, in the 1500s, were the first to more consistently try to distinguish the consonant I (soft 'g') sound as the shape of a 'J.' At that same time English printers used 'J' and 'I' fonts interchangeably (as documented elsewhere in this book). During the 1600s, most languages began consistently using the extended 'I' form, now called a 'J,' to represent the 'j' (soft 'g') sound." [quoted in Riplinger, p. 418]"

In other words, JEHOVAH is Correct!
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Argue against THAT!
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Anyone?
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"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another." -- Galatians 5:14-26
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I will tell you here one more time, this is a shit discussion and bible quotes prove jack shit about it all. Many of you provide bible quotes you cannot explain so you look for hidden meanings or copy the hidden meanings given to you and there are no hidden meanings, its CRAP. YOu cannot make truth out of crap.

"God" is the creative mind of the whole creation. It is not a nice person with a name who gets made if you don't use his name.

Jehovah is a PLANET whose people are active in assisting the celestial hierarchy on this world. A PLANET cannot be the Creator. These PEOPLE of the PLANET JEHOVAH helped Moses with the Hebrews, fried sodom and Gomorrah, gave 20 commandments, 10 of which were lost and much more. They fed manna from CRAFT. God did not feed them manna. You ones have got to take the bible box off your heads if you are to grow spiritually. There is much error in it. It is not the word of God, is it a collection of man's stories approved at the time of the Council of Nicea. Not all the so called apostles understood the teachings of Jesus. And Paul was a fucked up mess.

And the YAHWEH DUDE WAS A FORMER RULER OF EARTH FROM PLEIADES AND NOT THE CREATOR EITHER. THE CREATOR ENERGY FILLES THE ENTIRE CREATION, IT IS MIND AND YOU ARE PART OF THAT MIND.

The people of that area were very deprived when Jesus came there. And the world was already heavily populated on all the continents that sustain man.

There was not "first man" just plopped on the planet, the Adam and Eve story in the bible is really a mess. Your bible has almost no cosmology in it. It does not accurately portray the celestial hierarchy of the creation whatsoever. it is not a good resource of spiritual education, as Rome fucked it up over time and the khazars fucked it up some more when they created the name JEW for themselves and added it to your bible so you would support their take over of the whole Middle east and many christians and others are doing that just fine and serving the very antichrist race on this world.

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The actual Lord's Prayer Given by Jesus 2000 years ago.

"MY SPIRIT, YOU ARE OMNIPOTENT. YOUR NAME IS HOLY. MAY YOUR REALM BE INCARNATE IN ME. MAY YOUR POWER REVEAL ITSELF WITHIN ME, ON EARTH AND IN THE HEAVEN. GIVE ME TODAY MY DAILY BREAD, AND THUS, LET ME RECOGNIZE MY TRANSGRESSIONS AND ERRORS, AND I SHALL RECOGNIZE THE TRUTH. AND DO NOT LEAD ME INTO TEMPTATION AND CONFUSION, BUT DELIVER ME FROM ERROR. FOR YOURS IS THE REALM WITHIN ME AND THE POWER AND THE KNOWLEDGE FOREVER,
AMEN.

Nice video: [link to www.youtube.com] Make this World a Better One

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Why are you turning Hebrew into English? Wouldn't it just be easier to fully translate his name directly "I am that I am" or is that too silly?

Redundant..or so it seems.
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Bingo when they speak a name other than what is in that english print automatically.

I know them not I cut them off from my hearing no matter who sweet and syrupy they are or how strong and mighty they proclaim.

They can go and speak to those who speak their own language.

And I do not need an interpreter because I can read english.

What you said is safe and sound to all who have been given the Bible in their native tongue.

The searching for other than what they have is a search for an eloquent word.

Not a search for the Truth they already had been given.
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I don't know about you guys but last time I checked the book said the name was I AM or Yahweh, also Jesus just said to call him father, the name really is not important because nobody knows how someone like Abram or Moses called him because they spake the real Hebrew that had not been changed, now when the Israelites started going into captivity their language change, let me tell you the Hebrew today is not the same Hebrew someone like Abram spoke, and some of the meanings we have for words are not the same either, if you are worried about how to pronounce the name rather than obeying and following the commandments I got bad news for you.
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The coverdale bible from around the 1500s really shows how much they have screwed with the alphabet. Particularily the "u", "v", "i" and "y". The "j" hadn't come into use as of yet. [link to studybible.info]

I have highlighted just a few interesting uses of the "i", "u", and "y", but there are a lot more just in this short passage.~

Exodus 3:1-3:

1 Moses kepte the shepe of Iethro his father in lawe prest of Madian, & droue the shepe on the backsyde of the wyldernes, and came to the mountayne of God, Horeb. 2 And the angell of ye LORDE appeared vnto him in a flame of fyre out of the bush. And he sawe that ye bush brent wt fyre, and yet was not consumed, 3 and saide: I wil go hence, and se this greate sight, why ye bush is not brent.
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This!
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DEUTORONOMY23:2 A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD. So i presume it would be apt calling him FATHER as JESUS did.
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Who is Yahweh?

[link to av1611.com]

An excerpt...
"For those who still who are still confused about the phonological issue of sound changes between and within languages, the following historical-linguistic summary from the World Book Encyclopedia concerning the Y to J conversion as it relates to English should be helpful.

"The sound of the Hebrew letter jod came into English as the letter 'I,' used as a consonant and having the soft 'g' sound, like today's 'j.' In the past the letter 'I' was used as both a vowel (i) sound and as the consonant 'j' sound. The OED says that the sound of 'j,' though originally printed as 'I,' was pronounced as a soft 'g' (Oxford English Dictionary, Unabridged, 2nd Edition, Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1991, s.v. J). The 'JE' sound in JEHOVAH was spelled 'IE' and pronounced as 'JE.' To distinguish the consonant sound (soft 'g') of the letter 'I' from the vowel sound of 'I,' many scribes in the 1200s began putting a tail on the soft 'g' 'I',' making it look like our modern 'J.' The Spanish, in the 1500s, were the first to more consistently try to distinguish the consonant I (soft 'g') sound as the shape of a 'J.' At that same time English printers used 'J' and 'I' fonts interchangeably (as documented elsewhere in this book). During the 1600s, most languages began consistently using the extended 'I' form, now called a 'J,' to represent the 'j' (soft 'g') sound." [quoted in Riplinger, p. 418]"

In other words, JEHOVAH is Correct!
 Quoting: Veresanctus


very nice!
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The coverdale bible from around the 1500s really shows how much they have screwed with the alphabet. Particularily the "u", "v", "i" and "y". The "j" hadn't come into use as of yet. [link to studybible.info]

I have highlighted just a few interesting uses of the "i", "u", and "y", but there are a lot more just in this short passage.~

Exodus 3:1-3:

1 Moses kepte the shepe of Iethro his father in lawe prest of Madian, & droue the shepe on the backsyde of the wyldernes, and came to the mountayne of God, Horeb. 2 And the angell of ye LORDE appeared vnto him in a flame of fyre out of the bush. And he sawe that ye bush brent wt fyre, and yet was not consumed, 3 and saide: I wil go hence, and se this greate sight, why ye bush is not brent.
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It's old English, but it's pronounced the same as it's modern varieties
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I think it would be hard to fool people into suddenly changing their pronunciations because spellings changed. It makes sense to me that spellings were refined to better reflect the way things were actually pronounced. In other words as OP said ,letter J came into use to distinguish between the soft 'g' sound of consonant I vs. the sound indicated by the vowel I. And to distinguish the consonant I, they began adding a little tail [like a g has] to I to indicate pronunciation of soft g sound.
Are you others claiming that the English language invented this letter J to force ppl to mispronounce all those Bible names, and then the ppl, in gratitude suddenly began naming their children James, John, Jacob, Jane ,Janet, etc., changing the age old pronunciations of these names to celebrate their new letter? Oh and how about the name Jennifer which I'm guessing derives from 'Geneva', both with soft g sound?
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How do you pronounce Gesù?
I was told it was pronounce "Djay·zoo'" then someone else told me it was pronounce "jezOOOO"

So is Gesù pronounced literally like G-zoo? Or is the Ge like the word "JEt" or is it "JAy". I'm confused between the three, which is right?

Thanks!

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Actually is not Jay-zoo 'couse in the Italian pronunciation the single letter "E" is not followed by a "Y".

The right way is JEH-SOO putting the stress on final "oo".

JEH (like JEt)
SOO(like SOOn)
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4 years ago
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Don't we have to account for how the Italians all came to be "wrong" too?
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Whatever name you call the burning bush it's all the same. It's lucifer the devil.
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Whatever name you call the burning bush it's all the same. It's lucifer the devil.
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why would that be? don't think so.
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DEUTORONOMY23:2 A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD. So i presume it would be apt calling him FATHER as JESUS did.
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illegitimate='not according to law'

In the Christian Greek Scriptures, the word no′thos (‘illegitimate child,’ NW; ‘bastard,’ KJ, Int) is used once, at Hebrews 12:8. As shown by the context, the writer likens God to a father who disciplines his son out of love. The writer therefore says, “If you are without the discipline of which all have become partakers, you are really illegitimate children, and not sons.” Those claiming to be spiritual sons of God but practicing sin and disobedience are cut off from the congregation of God and do not receive the discipline that God gives his legitimate sons to bring them to perfection.

Today Jehovah God is not dealing with just one nation of people. The Mosaic law, with its provision debarring illegitimate sons from becoming members of the congregation of his people, is not binding on Christians. (Col. 2:13, 14"Furthermore, though YOU were dead in YOUR trespasses and in the uncircumcised state of YOUR flesh, [God] made YOU alive together with him. He kindly forgave us all our trespasses 14 and blotted out the handwritten document against us, which consisted of decrees and which was in opposition to us; and He has taken it out of the way by nailing it to the torture stake." )

The opportunity to become one of God’s servants is therefore not closed to anyone. Through divine revelation the Christian apostle Peter learned that ‘no man should be called defiled or unclean’ because of nationality. (Acts 10:28) Hence, when addressing the first non-Jews to embrace Christianity, he said: “For a certainty I perceive that God is not partial, but in every nation the man that fears him and works righteousness is acceptable to him.” (Acts 10:34, 35) This means that all people, even those born out of wedlock, can become approved servants of God, provided that they live in harmony with his will.
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Allah's got a nice ring to it!
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Ummm no. The name of God is Notre Dame.
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The coverdale bible from around the 1500s really shows how much they have screwed with the alphabet. Particularily the "u", "v", "i" and "y". The "j" hadn't come into use as of yet. [link to studybible.info]

I have highlighted just a few interesting uses of the "i", "u", and "y", but there are a lot more just in this short passage.~

Exodus 3:1-3:

1 Moses kepte the shepe of Iethro his father in lawe prest of Madian, & droue the shepe on the backsyde of the wyldernes, and came to the mountayne of God, Horeb. 2 And the angell of ye LORDE appeared vnto him in a flame of fyre out of the bush. And he sawe that ye bush brent wt fyre, and yet was not consumed, 3 and saide: I wil go hence, and se this greate sight, why ye bush is not brent.
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O.P. hasn'tb realized yet, the sound of I + E (jester, yesterday, jelly) was the very reason Protestants used the letter "j" invented centuries after so-called 'Jesus' and because the letter 'i'

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