JEHOVAH, NOT Yahweh

it has NO importance OP. and todays people were not there in the languages of olden days which scholars guess as how things were said. Today there are serious world problems, why the focus on OLD TIRED paradigms even. It matters NOW how these words are pronounced. or spelled. The only reason I even post in these threads, is because the Creator has NO name and its beyond dumb to even discuss a name. Man makes his names for things, there are 5.6 trillion planets with heaven only knows now many names for things. Why it is important.

I post only because Jehovah, no matter how spelled or said, is not the Creator, it is a PLANET whose people babysit earth. And Yahweh is a pleiadian who controlled earth at one time, and is not the creator either. Creator is known on any planet that is "god knowing' as FATHER in whatever languages they have, or SOURCE or First Source. It is not a being with some name who comes to come place like earth demanding to be called something like Jehovah or Yahweh. Grow thy MIND.

Last Edited by God Loves ALL on 11/24/2012 01:37 PM

Howah/Howaw/Hohah/Hayah the pig god, period

Yahweh/Yahveh/YHWH/YHVH/Jehovah/Yahuwah/Yahawah etc
The God of Destruction, Ruin, Calamity, Mischief, Disaster Fallen one
[link to www.blueletterbible.org]
[link to concordances.org]

Also, check these out:
[link to i49.tinypic.com]
[link to i46.tinypic.com]

Yahweh or YHWH is the God of the Jew-ISH (Edomite-Amalek) people.

Albert Pike speaks about Yahveh/Yahweh/YHVH/YHWH in his book Morals and Dogma.
[link to i49.tinypic.com]

Also Jehovah/Yahveh = Jove/Jupiter = Zeus
Check this connection for yourself.

A bit more info on Zeus:
Zeus (Greek God)
supreme god of the ancient Greeks, 1706, from Gk., from PIE *dewos- "god" (cf. L. deus "god," O. Pers. daiva- "demon, evil god," O.C.S. deivai, Skt. deva-)

So Yahveh (Je’hovah) or Jupiter or Zeus is synonymous with a DEMON/EVIL GOD.


Hosea 2:16:: And it shall be at that day, saith the LORD, that thou shalt call me Ishi; and shalt call me no more Baali.

Baali in the Strongs Concordance:

H1180
bah-al-ee'
From H1167 with pronominal suffix; my master; Baali, a symbolical name of Jehovah: - Baali.

Baali or Ba’al (also known as Be’elzebub) is a Phoenician deity also known as Baal or "Lord of the Flies". In Matthew 12:24 he is called the prince of all devils.

Here's proof of the Creators name as told to Moses in Exodus 3:14. Moses was an Israelite from the tribe of LEVI. Thus making him a LEVITE. He was not Jew-ISH.

[link to i50.tinypic.com] (AHAYAH ASHER AHAYAH - I AM THAT I AM)

Here's a screen cap, it's from the book by Illuminati 2 by Henry Makow PhD
[link to i49.tinypic.com]

That is like taking the word "Airplane" and saying because it has "PLANE" in it than the whole word means "a tool for shaping wood" which it doesn't.

Last Edited by Veresanctus on 11/24/2012 01:47 PM

Now that you mention it: The letter "y"

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

The letter "Y" originates from the Shemetic/semetic letter "uau" (more commonly and incorrectly known as "vav" or "waw"), which sounds like "u" in "blue". It lost its "tail" and became "v" (but never had the "vee" sound in ancient Hebrew), and later devolved to the "u". Cited source is the Oxford Concise English Dictionary.

Talk about weaving a web of lies... People will believe whatever they want and concoct a reason for it.

Try refuting it.

H1943
hôvâh
ho-vaw'
Another form for H1942; ruin: - mischief.

That's why Illuminati puppet JAY-Z calls himself "HOVAH".. RUIN, DESTRUCTION, MISCHIEF, COVETOUSNESS, VERY WICKEDNESS.

[link to www.blueletterbible.org]

H1942

havvâh
hav-vaw'
From H1933 (in the sense of eagerly coveting and rushing upon; by implication of falling); desire; also ruin: - calamity, iniquity, mischief, mischievous (thing), naughtiness, naughty, noisome, perverse thing, substance, very wickedness.


H1943

hôvâh
ho-vaw'
Another form for H1942; ruin: - mischief.

The Most High told Moses his name is I AM THAT I AM, which translates to AHAYAH ASHER AHAYAH.

You can call on "jehovah" or "the God of ruin, mischief, wickeness" if you want.

OP, I just saw the linky in your signature file. Please grow out of that stuff, there is NO eternal damnation. The Father does not work that way. Every thinking being, man or angel is eternal UNLESS they reject their eternal life and then they are uncreated. The Hierarchy of heaven has almost endless mercy, but there comes a point when ones become so dark there is not light in them and these have rejected their eternal life and are uncreated.

During the long ages of evolution of MIND in man, on any planet, man is initially Stupid as shit, and it takes many many incarnations to grow ones mind. And those that prefer the darkness are kept on dark worlds, until they grow up. There are plenty of dark worlds to house those preferring EVIL like this world. This world is no longer going to be a prison ward, for the thugs, because the MOTHER GAIA who is a person having a body called planet, is ascending into the realms of the Father, and those not ready cannot stay with her.

Many here will not be able to understand. they are not evil, just stupid still, so these ones will be moved to worlds who are at the same level. And there are darker prisons than this world for the truly dark.

But once the truly dark throw in the rag on their eternal life, they are simply uncreated and become as if they never have been, they are returned to void for re creation into something else. They loose all identity.

You have got to grow yourself out of this too. these silly believes. Are you one that could handle the great change coming or not? I would be worried about that and not how and what god's name even is.

God and Heaven ride within YOU, which is the greatest teaching by Christ and the one most ignored and misunderstood. GROW YOUR MIND, for you have within your mind, a Fragment of the FAther's MIND. The FAther is within YOU. stop with the nonsense, look around your world and find something more useful than arguing a name that isn't even creators "name". The bible is man's stories and they are NOT all correct.

Go sit down somewhere you gentile. Your opinion on the bible is null and void.

It's difficult to refute someone who is extremely confused and twisted in their understanding of titles of God and their meanings...

Here is something that I HOPE will help you understand why...

Hosea 2:16
"Thou shalt call me Ishi - That is, my man, or my husband; a title of love and affection; and not Baali, my master, a title exciting fear and apprehension; which, howsoever good in itself, was now rendered improper to be applied to Jehovah, having been prostituted to false gods. This intimated that they should scrupulously avoid idolatry; and they had such a full proof of the inefficacy of their idolatrous worship that, after their captivity, they never more served idols." -- Adam Clarke

Excuse me sir, here is some understanding for you.

Christ's function was "saviour" his name is like it says in Hosea 2:16 "Ishi" which transliterates to "Yshy" which is pronounced "Yashaya" which means "my savior." Think about it. Put down the false names we have been given and return to our god, the Most High God, AHAYAH ASHER AHAYAH (I AM THAT I AM) and his ONLY begotten son, YASHAYAH (Savior).

And I'm not going back and forth with you on this. I provided more than enough FACTUAL proof for you, from MANY sources.

Shabbat Shalom.

You are full of mysticism and fallacies.. Do you not know that the soul of man only exists when his body is alive? Do you not know what death is? When a man dies he is DEAD, because what makes him what he is has fallen apart and ceased (which is what death is ya know), and there is only ONE HOPE in that he will be raised back to life to live forever instead of being raised to be damned to die forever under judgement in the lake of fire which is called the second death (to perish, destruction, to burn up, etc.).

The eternal soul philosophy is not true as it is known, if true then there is no true death, which in itself goes against nature and denies the need for a Saviour.

Since God reads the intentions of the heart, do you really feel He holds it against you that 1000's of years later you mispronounce His Aramaic/Hebrew name, if in fact you are thinking of Him and His Son?

Do you think He's that petty or that somehow that matters more to Him than loving Him and following His commandments?

Jer 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

These three little letters "HUH" ("u" because we know that the "vee-sound" is a construct of modern Yiddish-inspired Hebrew) have at least four different Strong's Concordance numbers assigned to it including H1961. See also the origins of the letter "Y" and "V": [link to en.wikipedia.org]

Starting with H1933, it is defined as "to breathe", but used as "to be". Hmm.
[link to www.blueletterbible.org]

Then inserted between H1933 and H1942 is H1961, in the Gesenius' Lexicon, which also means "to be". [link to www.blueletterbible.org]

Finally, you have to go all the way over to H1942 where "HUH" is defined as "to desire, ..." and at H1943 as "ruin, fall..." Why the big jump between H1933 and H1942 for allegedly the same word? Well, that's because they are not the same word.

It is a tangled web designed to hide IHUH's name.

You're right of course, what matters to God is purpose and intent as well as faith in Him as your author and finisher as well as your Saviour.

see my above post ^^

Last Edited by Veresanctus on 11/24/2012 02:14 PM

You are quick to try and insult people yet your ignorance is comical. Sure, "Y" and "H" are "Greek" letters... this board does not support the Paleo-Hebrew font.

Just look in the beginning of most kjv bibles and it will tell you that they replaced His name YHWH with "LORD".

Y = yod (sounds much like and English "Y")
H = heh (can sound like "eh" most often sounds "ah")
W = waw (sounds like "o" - "oo" - "u")
H = heh

On the contrary, your ignorance shouts. The Bible was translated in the version of the Seventy because Greek suited perfectly and it's very clear the letter E was the one used in God's name (meaning "man calling") not H meaning "fence". That H was Greek adapted with the letter Eta but English people wouldn't know because you don't have sound rules. E as in met, let, wet, net,fed and not E as in meet, seed, feed, meat, need. I as in interesting, sit, lick and not as in swine, mine, like.

King VERSION is Babel chaos of English language, the same language which using the same "ough" sounds different in words like "though a rough cough and hiccough plough me through"

People are idiotic contradicting themselves. Here you say Y sounds like English "y" while other said it sound like "U". y as in yesterday has the same sound as in jester like yoke and joke. It's the very sound of the original letters I+E and that's why they changed IEremiah into Jeremiah. Heh was not "ah", idiot. Abraham never sounded AUraham or AWraham not even in Arabic language. It was always the V sound which changed into U sound centuries later.

Then either you cannot discuss on this board things which "must be written in Hebrew", or else you convert it into English. People seem to prefer converting to English, while simultaneously arguing that converting to English is a terribly wrong thing to do. Why use English if it is so wrong to use English???

Also does the bible say anywhere that anything must be written or said in Hebrew? If the bible doesn't say that, why make up rules and try to add them onto the bible?

Do you not think that the translators to the English bibles were not skilled enough to know what should be? I can tell you that the translators of the King James bible were of the best in the world speaking and writing biblical Hebrew even as children. I HIGHLY doubt they didn't know or understand the letters and words of God's name etc.

Read up on them and understand that they knew what they were doing and were honest in their work.
[link to www.jesus-is-savior.com]

The european converts (e.g., khazers, caucasians, etc.) and the middle eastern converts (e.g., ancestors of the idumeans, moabites, chaldeans) have changed the Hebrew language from the original. Contaminating Hebrew with other languages: aramaic, babylonian, yiddish, etc... As well as altering the alphabet.

Briefly, the original Hebrew "i" (or yud/iud) was changed as follows:

"i" --> "j" --> "y" (arguably the original sound was "i" as in "Isaiah", but it definitely was NOT originally a "j" sound).*

Next, the "y" which originally in Hebrew is the "u" sound as in "blue":

"y" --> "v" --> "u" --> "w" (which the converts incorrectly insist makes the "vee" sound).**

Finally, another change in the Hebrew alphabet that exposes the convert's attempts at sabotage is the changes to the "b" or Hebrew "bith" with the normal "bee" sound.

"b" --> "v" sound (the converts have gone so far as to write "b" as a "v": abraham/avraham, abi/avi).

The changes to the "i" and "y" are done specifically to hide the name of the Creator: IHYH

... which transliterates as "IHUH" due to the drastic changes to the original Hebrew "y" or the "yud".

* [link to www.encyclopedia.com]
see also [link to en.wikipedia.org]
** [link to en.wikipedia.org]

Because unfortunately this is an English forum but not because a version like King James written in 11th Century is the "best" option!

Someone, a scholar like Petrus Alphonsi (1062-1110) brought up as a Jew in Muslim part of Spain and converted into Christianity and emigrated to Aragon (Spain), England and France and being educated both in Arabic and Hebrew…knew better than you. In his Dialogui Contra Iudaeos he wrote the name and century later they changed the V for U.

It's the I rather than Y or J of course. Jews whenever they want they call the small letter like "yod" and others "iod". It's obvious they do this to hide it was I and never Y. You are completely wrong saying Y was U. Even a Jew scholar studying Hebrew like S. Tenan admits H was as I am saying:
[link to www.meru.org]

Unfortunately enciclopedias or wikipedia are not gonna tell you the truth because Jews still lie saying their language has no vowels. Those people even hide a simple vowel like "o" in a mere title like "god" writing it "g*d" and you think you're gonna read the truth with such sources? How naïve!

I didn't say this but did you know that there are old English bibles that spell Jesus as "Iesus"?


The problem comes in when people forget that BOTH are PRONOUNCED THE SAME!

I agree with you. However, the shape (NOT the sound) of the ancient "U" was like a "Y".

But, yes. The sound for the yud/iud is "i" and not the "j" or the "y".

The coverdale bible from around the 1500s really shows how much they have screwed with the alphabet. Particularily the "u", "v", "i" and "y". The "j" hadn't come into use as of yet. [link to studybible.info]

I have highlighted just a few interesting uses of the "i", "u", and "y", but there are a lot more just in this short passage.~

Exodus 3:1-3:

1 Moses kepte the shepe of Iethro his father in lawe prest of Madian, & droue the shepe on the backsyde of the wyldernes, and came to the mountayne of God, Horeb. 2 And the angell of ye LORDE appeared vnto him in a flame of fyre out of the bush. And he sawe that ye bush brent wt fyre, and yet was not consumed, 3 and saide: I wil go hence, and se this greate sight, why ye bush is not brent.