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Are the Egyptian Gods really the Sumerian Gods or the Opposite?

 
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really nobody knows so interpret all of the crap the way u would like...same with any religion/cult/belief system
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There has to be a pattern common to both cultures, though..............
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Taking it literal is like trying to find a being called "god" under a rock. Every myth and religion synchronize to make a story about the workings of our solar system earth seasons and galaxy along with the inner workings of the soul Rah is no more than old man kronos or zueses father his son osiris is jesus set is satan. Rah is god his sun osiris is the sun he fights set in a eternal battle night and day. he judges you every winter only so you can be born again with all life around you during the spring. the four seasons in chistianity is mark mathew luke and john the four main gospels based around christ's our suns journey. their are many similarity's between just the two story's of existence its just reading between the lines is what it takes to realise the beautiful syncatic relation they share with you.

Try not to get tangled up in the literal renditions they are mere story's for children, and as the child gets older his father would start to explain how they really relate to reality.
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I'm not really taking this "literally"------I am simply trying to find out if the Sumerian Gods and Egyptian Gods are simply the same deities under different "names."
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sumer to egypt,as "The Gods" population increased they spread out,had to have something for the youngsters to do..............sheep
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Ok.......whatever that really means.
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Jackal headed god in Sumerian culture known as Anu
Jackal headed god in Eqyptian culture known as Anubis

Same god different names in different culture, its quite common in ancient cultures to take names, storys, myths and legends from one culture and adapt them into new a set of names and myths. Its what the romans did too, they took gods and goddesses and gave them new names and incorparted them into their cultural dna.
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Makes sense.
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Good stuff. Now look at where I am making this post from. Find an Airline site and look up the three letter code for Antigua.
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No, they are NOT the same. It's a shame and a mockery for modern scientist to profess the Sumerian's "gods" and those of ancient Egypt are one and the same, but no, they are not. Compare it to somebody saying Muhammad is the same as Jesus, that's about how insulting it is to say the same.

Egypts gods were based from ancient Ethop's, while the Sumerians are wholly their own creation. Completely different.
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No, they are NOT the same. It's a shame and a mockery for modern scientist to profess the Sumerian's "gods" and those of ancient Egypt are one and the same, but no, they are not. Compare it to somebody saying Muhammad is the same as Jesus, that's about how insulting it is to say the same.

Egypts gods were based from ancient Ethop's, while the Sumerians are wholly their own creation. Completely different.
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Ok.....................

I guess it one follows Setchin you would disagree.

The change between cultures WOULD have to be great, of course...to accommodate for the cultural differences.

The Egyptian Gods (at least by modern Kemetic standards) are NOT of the Polytheistic Persuasion. They are aspects of the same, One Deity.

Different from the Greek Gods, who are individuals in their own right. True Polytheism.

What about the Sumerian Gods?

Are they Polytheistic or the opposite?

(Problem is, nobody worships them anymore. It is not like Hellenismos or Kemeticism. It is not a living religion anymore. Except perhaps for Setchin people). scratching
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I am intrigued by "nurtu"? and kispu?" Death spells...

Look at the first lines of hammurabis code.

The ordeal of water "thrown into a river while bound", is to the accused...

What exactly is a nurtu?
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I am intrigued by "nurtu"? and kispu?" Death spells...

Look at the first lines of hammurabis code.

The ordeal of water "thrown into a river while bound", is to the accused...

What exactly is a nurtu?
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.................................​.......scratchingbook
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Jackal headed god in Sumerian culture known as Anu
Jackal headed god in Eqyptian culture known as Anubis

Same god different names in different culture, its quite common in ancient cultures to take names, storys, myths and legends from one culture and adapt them into new a set of names and myths. Its what the romans did too, they took gods and goddesses and gave them new names and incorparted them into their cultural dna.
 Quoting: Enigma Shadows 28353080


Makes sense.
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there weren't any jackal-headed gods in Sumeria. unless it was a minor god in some back alley. the Sumerians and Akkadians didn't have any physical representations of their gods.

for the OP,

1. the Sumerians had been there since 6500 BC. the Egyptians had been there since 5500 BC.

2. the Egyptians were completely different from the Sumerians in writing, language, religion, culture, and genetics. they were not at all related to the Sumerians and came from some other region. nobody knows where they came from actually.

3. there are two periods of Sumerian history. the first period, from 6500 BC to 2150 BC (4350 years!!!) the Sumerians were just Sumerians. they probably came from the north. they were not Semitic.

4. the Sumerians and Sumerian gods you are thinking about, came into existence when Semite tribes (not yet hebrew, arab, or anything) united under a leader named Sargon, invaded and conquered Sumeria, in 2150 BC. the Semites adapted to Sumerian culture and made their adaptations of Sumerian gods.

that is the "Sumeria" we are familiar with, sometimes referred to as Akkad or "Akkadian Sumeria". since they made their capital in Babylon it is more commonly referred to as Babylonia. but Akkadian Sumeria would be more correct.

so what we think of as Semitic gods are actually Sumerian. the Semites, previously in the wilderness, had whatever sort of animistic polytheist (quasi-pagan) religion, much as the Arabs had before the Muslim conquest, and they adapted the Sumerian gods much as Mohammed adapted christianity. you can see how an adaptation would be different, but in the end, just an adaptation.

there were other upheavals such as the Assyrian conquest, and the united Chaldean/Persian/Median invasion, but Sumeria more or less remained Sumeria. that second period of Sumeria (Akkad, Babylonia) lasted almost two thousand years, when Alexander the Great conquered them in 330 BC.
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I am intrigued by "nurtu"? and kispu?" Death spells...

Look at the first lines of hammurabis code.

The ordeal of water "thrown into a river while bound", is to the accused...

What exactly is a nurtu?
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.................................​.......scratchingbook
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Yeah, googled it to no avail.
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Jackal headed god in Sumerian culture known as Anu
Jackal headed god in Eqyptian culture known as Anubis

Same god different names in different culture, its quite common in ancient cultures to take names, storys, myths and legends from one culture and adapt them into new a set of names and myths. Its what the romans did too, they took gods and goddesses and gave them new names and incorparted them into their cultural dna.
 Quoting: Enigma Shadows 28353080


Makes sense.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18622835


there weren't any jackal-headed gods in Sumeria. unless it was a minor god in some back alley. the Sumerians and Akkadians didn't have any physical representations of their gods.

for the OP,

1. the Sumerians had been there since 6500 BC. the Egyptians had been there since 5500 BC.

2. the Egyptians were completely different from the Sumerians in writing, language, religion, culture, and genetics. they were not at all related to the Sumerians and came from some other region. nobody knows where they came from actually.

3. there are two periods of Sumerian history. the first period, from 6500 BC to 2150 BC (4350 years!!!) the Sumerians were just Sumerians. they probably came from the north. they were not Semitic.

4. the Sumerians and Sumerian gods you are thinking about, came into existence when Semite tribes (not yet hebrew, arab, or anything) united under a leader named Sargon, invaded and conquered Sumeria, in 2150 BC. the Semites adapted to Sumerian culture and made their adaptations of Sumerian gods.

that is the "Sumeria" we are familiar with, sometimes referred to as Akkad or "Akkadian Sumeria". since they made their capital in Babylon it is more commonly referred to as Babylonia. but Akkadian Sumeria would be more correct.

so what we think of as Semitic gods are actually Sumerian. the Semites, previously in the wilderness, had whatever sort of animistic polytheist (quasi-pagan) religion, much as the Arabs had before the Muslim conquest, and they adapted the Sumerian gods much as Mohammed adapted christianity. you can see how an adaptation would be different, but in the end, just an adaptation.

there were other upheavals such as the Assyrian conquest, and the united Chaldean/Persian/Median invasion, but Sumeria more or less remained Sumeria. that second period of Sumeria (Akkad, Babylonia) lasted almost two thousand years, when Alexander the Great conquered them in 330 BC.
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So they ARE different, in essence.

Thanks.
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Agreeing with above poster re: adaptation of gods.

Marduk (Nibiruan name), for example, is the son of Enki, who was later known as Bel (sumerian), Ashur (assyrian), Ra/Amon-Ra (egyptian) - his titles were many and varied (i.e. lord of this, lord of that, etc), in fact, as Ra in Egypt, he ascribed all previous 50 titles to himself.

Here are few others:

ANU (Nibiruan) - Anshar (sumerian), Ged/Seb (egyptian), Kronos (greek), Saturn (roman); Savitar (sanskrit), Tvashtar (hindi), Akanchob (mayan), Inti/Punchau (incan)

NINKHURSAG (Nibiruan) - Ninmah (sumerian), Ninti (hittite), Isis (egyptian), Hera (greek), Juno (roman), Aditi (sanskrit), Hariti (hindi), Coatlicue (mayan)

ENKI (Nibiruan) - EA/Urki (sumerian), Ptah - Khnum (egyptian), Adonai/Jehova (semetic), Poseidon (greek), Vulcan (roman), Agni (sanskrit), Ahriman/Shiva (hindi), Itzamna (mayan)

ENLIL (Nibiruan) - Asshur (summerian), Osiris (egyptian), Ba'al (canaanite), Yahweh/Allah/El (semitic), Zeus (greek), Jupiter (roman), Indra (sanskrit), Vishnu (hindi), Tlaloc (mayan)

NANNAR (Nibiruan) - Sin (sumerian), Thoth (egyptian), Allah (semitic), Hermes (greek), Mercury (roman), Sudhanvan (sanskrit), Buddha (hindi), Quetzalcoatl (mayan)

NINGISHZIDDA (Nibiruan) - (sumerian), Thoth/Tehuti (egyptian), Hermes (greek), Quetzalcoaltl - Kukulkan - Xiuhtecuhtli - Topiltzin (mesoamerica)

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Jackal headed god in Sumerian culture known as Anu
Jackal headed god in Eqyptian culture known as Anubis

Same god different names in different culture, its quite common in ancient cultures to take names, storys, myths and legends from one culture and adapt them into new a set of names and myths. Its what the romans did too, they took gods and goddesses and gave them new names and incorparted them into their cultural dna.
 Quoting: Enigma Shadows 28353080


Makes sense.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18622835


there weren't any jackal-headed gods in Sumeria. unless it was a minor god in some back alley. the Sumerians and Akkadians didn't have any physical representations of their gods.

for the OP,

1. the Sumerians had been there since 6500 BC. the Egyptians had been there since 5500 BC.

2. the Egyptians were completely different from the Sumerians in writing, language, religion, culture, and genetics. they were not at all related to the Sumerians and came from some other region. nobody knows where they came from actually.

3. there are two periods of Sumerian history. the first period, from 6500 BC to 2150 BC (4350 years!!!) the Sumerians were just Sumerians. they probably came from the north. they were not Semitic.

4. the Sumerians and Sumerian gods you are thinking about, came into existence when Semite tribes (not yet hebrew, arab, or anything) united under a leader named Sargon, invaded and conquered Sumeria, in 2150 BC. the Semites adapted to Sumerian culture and made their adaptations of Sumerian gods.

that is the "Sumeria" we are familiar with, sometimes referred to as Akkad or "Akkadian Sumeria". since they made their capital in Babylon it is more commonly referred to as Babylonia. but Akkadian Sumeria would be more correct.

so what we think of as Semitic gods are actually Sumerian. the Semites, previously in the wilderness, had whatever sort of animistic polytheist (quasi-pagan) religion, much as the Arabs had before the Muslim conquest, and they adapted the Sumerian gods much as Mohammed adapted christianity. you can see how an adaptation would be different, but in the end, just an adaptation.

there were other upheavals such as the Assyrian conquest, and the united Chaldean/Persian/Median invasion, but Sumeria more or less remained Sumeria. that second period of Sumeria (Akkad, Babylonia) lasted almost two thousand years, when Alexander the Great conquered them in 330 BC.
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"there weren't any jackal-headed gods in Sumeria. unless it was a minor god in some back alley. the Sumerians and Akkadians didn't have any physical representations of their gods."

They DID have statues/idols of their gods, though.

Otherwise, I tend to agree with your assessment.
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Agreeing with above poster re: adaptation of gods.

Marduk (Nibiruan name), for example, is the son of Enki, who was later known as Bel (sumerian), Ashur (assyrian), Ra/Amon-Ra (egyptian) - his titles were many and varied (i.e. lord of this, lord of that, etc), in fact, as Ra in Egypt, he ascribed all previous 50 titles to himself.

Here are few others:

ANU (Nibiruan) - Anshar (sumerian), Ged/Seb (egyptian), Kronos (greek), Saturn (roman); Savitar (sanskrit), Tvashtar (hindi), Akanchob (mayan), Inti/Punchau (incan)

NINKHURSAG (Nibiruan) - Ninmah (sumerian), Ninti (hittite), Isis (egyptian), Hera (greek), Juno (roman), Aditi (sanskrit), Hariti (hindi), Coatlicue (mayan)

ENKI (Nibiruan) - EA/Urki (sumerian), Ptah - Khnum (egyptian), Adonai/Jehova (semetic), Poseidon (greek), Vulcan (roman), Agni (sanskrit), Ahriman/Shiva (hindi), Itzamna (mayan)

ENLIL (Nibiruan) - Asshur (summerian), Osiris (egyptian), Ba'al (canaanite), Yahweh/Allah/El (semitic), Zeus (greek), Jupiter (roman), Indra (sanskrit), Vishnu (hindi), Tlaloc (mayan)

NANNAR (Nibiruan) - Sin (sumerian), Thoth (egyptian), Allah (semitic), Hermes (greek), Mercury (roman), Sudhanvan (sanskrit), Buddha (hindi), Quetzalcoatl (mayan)

NINGISHZIDDA (Nibiruan) - (sumerian), Thoth/Tehuti (egyptian), Hermes (greek), Quetzalcoaltl - Kukulkan - Xiuhtecuhtli - Topiltzin (mesoamerica)

Kismet
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Hmmmmmmmm.

Couldn't there have been DIFFERENT Aliens/Gods in different parts of the world, arriving at different periods in our Earth's history and influencing different societies in different ways?

Setchin can't have been right about everything. Just asking.
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Jackal headed god in Sumerian culture known as Anu
Jackal headed god in Eqyptian culture known as Anubis

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"there weren't any jackal-headed gods in Sumeria. unless it was a minor god in some back alley. the Sumerians and Akkadians didn't have any physical representations of their gods."

They DID have statues/idols of their gods, though.

Otherwise, I tend to agree with your assessment.
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of course sumerian gods has physical representations. they themselves were physical.
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Native american, celtic/nordic cultures, african, asian/chinese siberian.
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"there weren't any jackal-headed gods in Sumeria. unless it was a minor god in some back alley. the Sumerians and Akkadians didn't have any physical representations of their gods."

They DID have statues/idols of their gods, though.

Otherwise, I tend to agree with your assessment.
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of course sumerian gods has physical representations. they themselves were physical.
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Yes.

The question is, though---------

Were the Egyptian Gods physical as well?

Or just the Sumerian Gods in another form or disguise?

That is the question.
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many people like michael heiser are trying to debunk sitchin, making antisites etc...
they should stop doing that and they should try to debunk mauro biglino. his theories, although similar to sithcin's, are much more 'dangerous' as they are based only on the Old Testament.
www.maurobiglino.com
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Native american, celtic/nordic cultures, african, asian/chinese siberian.
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Could you clarify what you mean, please?
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Agreeing with above poster re: adaptation of gods.

Marduk (Nibiruan name), for example, is the son of Enki, who was later known as Bel (sumerian), Ashur (assyrian), Ra/Amon-Ra (egyptian) - his titles were many and varied (i.e. lord of this, lord of that, etc), in fact, as Ra in Egypt, he ascribed all previous 50 titles to himself.

Here are few others:

ANU (Nibiruan) - Anshar (sumerian), Ged/Seb (egyptian), Kronos (greek), Saturn (roman); Savitar (sanskrit), Tvashtar (hindi), Akanchob (mayan), Inti/Punchau (incan)

NINKHURSAG (Nibiruan) - Ninmah (sumerian), Ninti (hittite), Isis (egyptian), Hera (greek), Juno (roman), Aditi (sanskrit), Hariti (hindi), Coatlicue (mayan)

ENKI (Nibiruan) - EA/Urki (sumerian), Ptah - Khnum (egyptian), Adonai/Jehova (semetic), Poseidon (greek), Vulcan (roman), Agni (sanskrit), Ahriman/Shiva (hindi), Itzamna (mayan)

ENLIL (Nibiruan) - Asshur (summerian), Osiris (egyptian), Ba'al (canaanite), Yahweh/Allah/El (semitic), Zeus (greek), Jupiter (roman), Indra (sanskrit), Vishnu (hindi), Tlaloc (mayan)

NANNAR (Nibiruan) - Sin (sumerian), Thoth (egyptian), Allah (semitic), Hermes (greek), Mercury (roman), Sudhanvan (sanskrit), Buddha (hindi), Quetzalcoatl (mayan)

NINGISHZIDDA (Nibiruan) - (sumerian), Thoth/Tehuti (egyptian), Hermes (greek), Quetzalcoaltl - Kukulkan - Xiuhtecuhtli - Topiltzin (mesoamerica)

Kismet
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21363812


Hmmmmmmmm.

Couldn't there have been DIFFERENT Aliens/Gods in different parts of the world, arriving at different periods in our Earth's history and influencing different societies in different ways?

Setchin can't have been right about everything. Just asking.
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The associations I listed above are not from Sitchen, although some may agree with his assertions?

These gods did indeed arrive in different parts of the world at different times, thus the many different names for them. The whole Summerian mythology is centered around the feud between the two brothers Enki and Enlil - both camps had very different ideas (about everything) and it is born out thru the ensuing generations.

Kismet
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many people like michael heiser are trying to debunk sitchin, making antisites etc...
they should stop doing that and they should try to debunk mauro biglino. his theories, although similar to sithcin's, are much more 'dangerous' as they are based only on the Old Testament.
www.maurobiglino.com
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I'll look that up, for sure........................
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of course sumerian gods has physical representations. they themselves were physical.
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Yes.

The question is, though---------

Were the Egyptian Gods physical as well?

Or just the Sumerian Gods in another form or disguise?

That is the question.
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yes they were physiscal. osiris, horus etc etc were all flesh beings.
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Agreeing with above poster re: adaptation of gods.

Marduk (Nibiruan name), for example, is the son of Enki, who was later known as Bel (sumerian), Ashur (assyrian), Ra/Amon-Ra (egyptian) - his titles were many and varied (i.e. lord of this, lord of that, etc), in fact, as Ra in Egypt, he ascribed all previous 50 titles to himself.

Here are few others:

ANU (Nibiruan) - Anshar (sumerian), Ged/Seb (egyptian), Kronos (greek), Saturn (roman); Savitar (sanskrit), Tvashtar (hindi), Akanchob (mayan), Inti/Punchau (incan)

NINKHURSAG (Nibiruan) - Ninmah (sumerian), Ninti (hittite), Isis (egyptian), Hera (greek), Juno (roman), Aditi (sanskrit), Hariti (hindi), Coatlicue (mayan)

ENKI (Nibiruan) - EA/Urki (sumerian), Ptah - Khnum (egyptian), Adonai/Jehova (semetic), Poseidon (greek), Vulcan (roman), Agni (sanskrit), Ahriman/Shiva (hindi), Itzamna (mayan)

ENLIL (Nibiruan) - Asshur (summerian), Osiris (egyptian), Ba'al (canaanite), Yahweh/Allah/El (semitic), Zeus (greek), Jupiter (roman), Indra (sanskrit), Vishnu (hindi), Tlaloc (mayan)

NANNAR (Nibiruan) - Sin (sumerian), Thoth (egyptian), Allah (semitic), Hermes (greek), Mercury (roman), Sudhanvan (sanskrit), Buddha (hindi), Quetzalcoatl (mayan)

NINGISHZIDDA (Nibiruan) - (sumerian), Thoth/Tehuti (egyptian), Hermes (greek), Quetzalcoaltl - Kukulkan - Xiuhtecuhtli - Topiltzin (mesoamerica)

Kismet
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21363812


Hmmmmmmmm.

Couldn't there have been DIFFERENT Aliens/Gods in different parts of the world, arriving at different periods in our Earth's history and influencing different societies in different ways?

Setchin can't have been right about everything. Just asking.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18622835


The associations I listed above are not from Sitchen, although some may agree with his assertions?

These gods did indeed arrive in different parts of the world at different times, thus the many different names for them. The whole Summerian mythology is centered around the feud between the two brothers Enki and Enlil - both camps had very different ideas (about everything) and it is born out thru the ensuing generations.

Kismet
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21363812


I actually meant different TYPES of Gods arriving at different times and different cultures.

Just clarifying. Thanks.
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many people like michael heiser are trying to debunk sitchin, making antisites etc...
they should stop doing that and they should try to debunk mauro biglino. his theories, although similar to sithcin's, are much more 'dangerous' as they are based only on the Old Testament.
www.maurobiglino.com
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Indeed!!!

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Yes.

The question is, though---------

Were the Egyptian Gods physical as well?

Or just the Sumerian Gods in another form or disguise?

That is the question.
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yes they were physiscal. osiris, horus etc etc were all flesh beings.
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Ok. Thanks.

Were did you find that out from, pray tell?

Just curious.........
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"there weren't any jackal-headed gods in Sumeria. unless it was a minor god in some back alley. the Sumerians and Akkadians didn't have any physical representations of their gods."

They DID have statues/idols of their gods, though.

Otherwise, I tend to agree with your assessment.
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nope, they didn't. not from what I read. not until the Assyrians with their winged bull. however that would not explain worship of the idols of Baal. Baal was a major god worshipped throughout Sumeria, even though every city also had local gods. I will have to go back and read again.

but I did read somewhere that they did not have physical representations of their gods.
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yes they were physiscal. osiris, horus etc etc were all flesh beings.
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Ok. Thanks.

Were did you find that out from, pray tell?

Just curious.........
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it's a normal deduction. osiris was killed by Set or something. only a physical being can die.
it's nice to study to see if osiris was a flesh being or not.
but take the example of the angels from the bible.
at different points they were tired, had to rest, wash, eat. at somep[oint tehy were in danger of being hurt by humans. only a flesh being can be killed by humans.
now what if the angels form the bible were only flesh beings?
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"there weren't any jackal-headed gods in Sumeria. unless it was a minor god in some back alley. the Sumerians and Akkadians didn't have any physical representations of their gods."

They DID have statues/idols of their gods, though.

Otherwise, I tend to agree with your assessment.
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nope, they didn't. not from what I read. not until the Assyrians with their winged bull. however that would not explain worship of the idols of Baal. Baal was a major god worshipped throughout Sumeria, even though every city also had local gods. I will have to go back and read again.

but I did read somewhere that they did not have physical representations of their gods.
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Baal was often represented (at least later) as a combination man, frog, and cat with spider legs.

Not very flattering. Ugh.

Otherwise........go ahead.
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Ok. Thanks.

Were did you find that out from, pray tell?

Just curious.........
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it's a normal deduction. osiris was killed by Set or something. only a physical being can die.
it's nice to study to see if osiris was a flesh being or not.
but take the example of the angels from the bible.
at different points they were tired, had to rest, wash, eat. at somep[oint tehy were in danger of being hurt by humans. only a flesh being can be killed by humans.
now what if the angels form the bible were only flesh beings?
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According to the Egyptian Priest Manetho, whose chronology was often referred to in ancient times (though now it is lost), Osiris was one of the actual God-Kings in prehistoric, mythological Egypt. Before the first pharaohs.

Angels may be flesh and blood, but they are still higher than us and at least still quasi-spiritual.
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it's a normal deduction. osiris was killed by Set or something. only a physical being can die.
it's nice to study to see if osiris was a flesh being or not.
but take the example of the angels from the bible.
at different points they were tired, had to rest, wash, eat. at somep[oint tehy were in danger of being hurt by humans. only a flesh being can be killed by humans.
now what if the angels form the bible were only flesh beings?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28389830


According to the Egyptian Priest Manetho, whose chronology was often referred to in ancient times (though now it is lost), Osiris was one of the actual God-Kings in prehistoric, mythological Egypt. Before the first pharaohs.

Angels may be flesh and blood, but they are still higher than us and at least still quasi-spiritual.
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yes the egyptians say they have thier culture from orther previous civilization. osiris had parents.
that's a good question in my view: who were those that thought us civilization?
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According to the Egyptian Priest Manetho, whose chronology was often referred to in ancient times (though now it is lost), Osiris was one of the actual God-Kings in prehistoric, mythological Egypt. Before the first pharaohs.

Angels may be flesh and blood, but they are still higher than us and at least still quasi-spiritual.
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yes the egyptians say they have thier culture from orther previous civilization. osiris had parents.
that's a good question in my view: who were those that thought us civilization?
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Yes, good question indeed.

The Egyptians, of course, would say Osiris, Ra and his ilk.