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And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week?....NOT SOME ANTICHRIST BEING REFERRED TOO

 
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"The beast that you saw was, and is not, and WILL ASCEND OUT OF THE BOTTOMLESS PIT......


"And those who dwell on the earth will marvel when they see the beast that was, and is not, and yet is."



"I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast."
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"Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, be which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone."
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u quote a key verse to understanding Scripture.....

Galatians
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to Whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Who is the "Seed" in this verse and what is the "promise"?
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u quote a key verse to understanding Scripture.....

Galatians
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to Whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Who is the "Seed" in this verse and what is the "promise"?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28350367

it says it big and bold messiah,,, he came through the seed of jacob and from jacob the twelve tribes

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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u quote a key verse to understanding Scripture.....

Galatians
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to Whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Who is the "Seed" in this verse and what is the "promise"?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28350367

it says it big and bold messiah,,, he came through the seed of jacob and from jacob the twelve tribes
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


yes, the Seed is Messiah. What is the "promise" that was made to Him?
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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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u quote a key verse to understanding Scripture.....

Galatians
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to Whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Who is the "Seed" in this verse and what is the "promise"?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28350367


Any book this obtuse serves as a source of confusion and dissent and uncertain opinion masquerading as mature debate..........thus.........how correct and divine is a book that creates this much confusion?

Isn't there better proof and directions?

Shouldn't we deserve something better?

The book does not work perfectly all the time.

We are told about Free Will.

Isn't free will subverted by this book?

Doesn't biblical prophecy subvert Free Will?

How can you have free will.....if you are commanded and warned about sin, salvation, and grace.

If this Bible is ineffable and divine........how come it fails?

Do you think the satanists....are gonna allow God to speak to you through The Bible?

The police state satanists can shut down all churches and burn all bibles.....but they don't.

Not even Hitler burned The Bible.

If this book is so dangerous to the evil.....how come they have not censored this book?

Have you been misled and how would you know?

Do you think God only inspired man long ago....but does not wish to inspire men today wi a more contemporary book?

Is it not time for better proof wi videos and images and recorded miracles proving omnipotence?

EVIL is done by those who do not fear punishment.....so don't you think God needs to start policing the nut house....or at the least...provide verifiable proof to the wicked that "they have to pay for their sins eventually"?

Some old book clogged wi irrelevant ancient history.....and clumsy style....does not seem to work towards defeating EVIL....only because THERE IS NO DEVINE SHOW OF FORCE.

Free will....does not work.

This science experiment is likely to create an unacceptable result: organized evil known as fascism.....what good is that?

Does your Christ and bible tell you to revolt and oppose evil with a revolution against the power control group?.....if not..... You get to suffer wi God's will providing the deception to promote turning the other cheek a thousand times as your family is destroyed based on your loyalty to this passive promotion of loving your satanic enemies?????!!!!!

If the mantra is true (Christ died for your sins).....doesn't that ignore the punishment for those who killed Christ as a way to hold power?.....aren't we ignoring promotion of justice for those who are in power?......don't you die for your sins?....doesn't your sins end up punishing you free of the reference to the mantra?

If Christ was resurrected......then he is not dead.....and could not have died for your sins (you were not alive yet)?

Christ was murdered for political reasons....much Lke MLK.

But the real sin was.....silent cowardly apathy by his followers who did not raise a weapon to the Romans?

Why not die for your savior?

Why not oppose the evil police state?

You die when you turn the other cheek a thousand times.........now your a passive crime victim a thousand times.....failure to stick up for yourself or your savior is the real sin of cowardice and conformity....no?

Who is a coward for Christ?

Who is a coward protecting fascism and a corrupt police state?
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Re: And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week?....NOT SOME ANTICHRIST BEING REFERRED TOO
u quote a key verse to understanding Scripture.....

Galatians
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to Whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Who is the "Seed" in this verse and what is the "promise"?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28350367


Any book this obtuse serves as a source of confusion and dissent and uncertain opinion masquerading as mature debate..........thus.........how correct and divine is a book that creates this much confusion?

Isn't there better proof and directions?Yes by being still and listening to the spirit within you.it always directs your right and wrong but we have learned to shut it off

Shouldn't we deserve something better?Yes we do! but the choices made by those past and present are the end result of the madness

The book does not work perfectly all the time.The book will work in you, it is a manual more than a spiritual tool. the spiritual part comes in when you walk accordingly to what is written

We are told about Free Will.

Isn't free will subverted by this book? free will is to make your choice between good and evil or right and wrong and there is been given to man time to get things rights without being forced.Our nature is of the most high and he is letting us purge ourselves and prove who we belong to

Doesn't biblical prophecy subvert Free Will? No it does not because we do not know the eact time a thing will happen but when it does come true we are covinced of what we believe in is true

How can you have free will.....if you are commanded and warned about sin, salvation, and grace.
You are warned of the circumstances of going the other way because the father does want all his children to be in paradise.

If this Bible is ineffable and divine........how come it fails? The bible does not fail! man has failed to understand it and has used it wrongfully to control and manipulate factions.But in it is the key to life

Do you think the satanists....are gonna allow God to speak to you through The Bible? yes they do they can twist the truth to mean other things because satan knows the scriotures more than any man on earth

The police state satanists can shut down all churches and burn all bibles.....but they don't.
THERE IS NO NEED TO WITH THE MODERN CHURCHES SATAN LIES ARE ALREADY CONTAMINATED THE PULPITS

Not even Hitler burned The Bible.

If this book is so dangerous to the evil.....how come they have not censored this book? THE BOOK TEACHES ABOUT WALKING RIGHTEOUSLY AND KINDLY AND LOVINGLY TOWARDS OTHER MEN AND GOD

Have you been misled and how would you know?
THE SPIRIT OF GOOD AND EVIL EXIST AND INSTINCTIELY ALL OF MAN KNOWS RIGHT FROM WRONG. WE ARE CALLED TO HAVE FAITH IN THE THINGS THAT ARE GOOD, KIND, PATIENT, FORGIVING AND WHEN YOU START DOING GOOOD AND LEARNING TO LOVE YOU FEEL THE PRESENCE OF THE FATHER

Do you think God only inspired man long ago....but does not wish to inspire men today wi a more contemporary book?
THERE IS NOTHING NEW UNDER THE SUN...READ THE BOOK OF PROVERBS AND INSPIRE YOUR HEART TO DO THAT WHICH IS GOOD AND MAYBE THE LORD WILL VISIT YOU

Is it not time for better proof wi videos and images and recorded miracles proving omnipotence?
No only when you tune in to all that I have shown you and start living the life you will tune in to the heavenlies and the father will assure you.There is coming a t time that even satans people will do miracles and the lost will believe they are from God

EVIL is done by those who do not fear punishment.....so don't you think God needs to start policing the nut house....or at the least...provide verifiable proof to the wicked that "they have to pay for their sins eventually"?
It HAS BEEN WRITTEN ABOUT THE FATE OF THE WICKED AND THE JUST

Some old book clogged wi irrelevant ancient history.....and clumsy style....does not seem to work towards defeating EVIL....only because THERE IS NO DEVINE SHOW OF FORCE.

Free will....does not work.We are not called to to destroy evil but to resist it in this world and do good

This science experiment is likely to create an unacceptable result: organized evil known as fascism.....what good is that? EVIL HAS ALWAYS BEEN HERE IT JUST WALKS THE EARTH AS DIFFERENT THINGS AT DIFFERENT TIMES

Does your Christ and bible tell you to revolt and oppose evil with a revolution against the power control group? NO.....if not..... You get to suffer wi God's will providing the deception to promote turning the other cheek a thousand times as your family is destroyed based on your loyalty to this passive promotion of loving your satanic enemies?????!!!!!THERE ARE TIMES ONE MAY HAVE TO FIGHT FOR HIS OR HER LIFE IN SELF DEFENSE BUT NOT TO START A REVOLUTION BECAUSE OF AN UNJUST SYSTEM

If the mantra is true (Christ died for your sins).....doesn't that ignore the punishment for those who killed Christ as a way to hold power? NO.....aren't we ignoring promotion of justice for those who are in power?NO......don't you die for your sins?....doesn't your sins end up punishing you free of the reference to the mantra? Christ died that you being a sinner has a grace period to turn away from your sins and correct your life.it does not mean that christ died so you can go on sinning and doing wrong

If Christ was resurrected......then he is not dead.....and could not have died for your sins (you were not alive yet)?CHRIST RESURRECTED INTO THE HEAVENLIES TO PROVE TO US THAT THIS IS NOT A FINAL END WHEN WE DIE. WE HAVE THE OPPORTYNITY TO LIVE AGAIN LIKE HIM AS LONG AS WE WALK IN THE OBEDIENCE TO HIS WORD AND TO TRUST HIS FATHER WHOM HE CAME TO TEACH US OF

Christ was murdered for political reasons....much Lke MLK.

But the real sin was.....silent cowardly apathy by his followers who did not raise a weapon to the Romans?

Why not die for your savior?

Why not oppose the evil police state?

You die when you turn the other cheek a thousand times.........now your a passive crime victim a thousand times.....failure to stick up for yourself or your savior is the real sin of cowardice and conformity....YES! BUT WHEN YOU STAND IT SHOULD NOT BE WITH GUNS AND BOMBS BUT THE WORD OF TRUTH THAT IS IN YOUR HEART?

Who is a coward for Christ? MEN WHO ARE AFRADD TO SPEAK HIS TRUTH IN THE FACE OF AN EVIL WORLD SYSTEM AND CORRUPT CHURCHES

Who is a coward protecting fascism and a corrupt police state? THE MEN WHO HAVE SOLD OUT CHRISTIANITY TO THE WORLD SYSTEM MAKING OUR MESSIAH A PAGAN ICON
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28441088


I have answered all your concerns
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Re: And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week?....NOT SOME ANTICHRIST BEING REFERRED TOO
u quote a key verse to understanding Scripture.....

Galatians
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to Whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Who is the "Seed" in this verse and what is the "promise"?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28350367


Any book this obtuse serves as a source of confusion and dissent and uncertain opinion masquerading as mature debate..........thus.........how correct and divine is a book that creates this much confusion?

Isn't there better proof and directions?Yes by being still and listening to the spirit within you.it always directs your right and wrong but we have learned to shut it off

Shouldn't we deserve something better?Yes we do! but the choices made by those past and present are the end result of the madness

The book does not work perfectly all the time.The book will work in you, it is a manual more than a spiritual tool. the spiritual part comes in when you walk accordingly to what is written

We are told about Free Will.

Isn't free will subverted by this book? free will is to make your choice between good and evil or right and wrong and there is been given to man time to get things rights without being forced.Our nature is of the most high and he is letting us purge ourselves and prove who we belong to

Doesn't biblical prophecy subvert Free Will? No it does not because we do not know the eact time a thing will happen but when it does come true we are covinced of what we believe in is true

How can you have free will.....if you are commanded and warned about sin, salvation, and grace.
You are warned of the circumstances of going the other way because the father does want all his children to be in paradise.

If this Bible is ineffable and divine........how come it fails? The bible does not fail! man has failed to understand it and has used it wrongfully to control and manipulate factions.But in it is the key to life

Do you think the satanists....are gonna allow God to speak to you through The Bible? yes they do they can twist the truth to mean other things because satan knows the scriotures more than any man on earth

The police state satanists can shut down all churches and burn all bibles.....but they don't.
THERE IS NO NEED TO WITH THE MODERN CHURCHES SATAN LIES ARE ALREADY CONTAMINATED THE PULPITS

Not even Hitler burned The Bible.

If this book is so dangerous to the evil.....how come they have not censored this book? THE BOOK TEACHES ABOUT WALKING RIGHTEOUSLY AND KINDLY AND LOVINGLY TOWARDS OTHER MEN AND GOD

Have you been misled and how would you know?
THE SPIRIT OF GOOD AND EVIL EXIST AND INSTINCTIELY ALL OF MAN KNOWS RIGHT FROM WRONG. WE ARE CALLED TO HAVE FAITH IN THE THINGS THAT ARE GOOD, KIND, PATIENT, FORGIVING AND WHEN YOU START DOING GOOOD AND LEARNING TO LOVE YOU FEEL THE PRESENCE OF THE FATHER

Do you think God only inspired man long ago....but does not wish to inspire men today wi a more contemporary book?
THERE IS NOTHING NEW UNDER THE SUN...READ THE BOOK OF PROVERBS AND INSPIRE YOUR HEART TO DO THAT WHICH IS GOOD AND MAYBE THE LORD WILL VISIT YOU

Is it not time for better proof wi videos and images and recorded miracles proving omnipotence?
No only when you tune in to all that I have shown you and start living the life you will tune in to the heavenlies and the father will assure you.There is coming a t time that even satans people will do miracles and the lost will believe they are from God

EVIL is done by those who do not fear punishment.....so don't you think God needs to start policing the nut house....or at the least...provide verifiable proof to the wicked that "they have to pay for their sins eventually"?
It HAS BEEN WRITTEN ABOUT THE FATE OF THE WICKED AND THE JUST

Some old book clogged wi irrelevant ancient history.....and clumsy style....does not seem to work towards defeating EVIL....only because THERE IS NO DEVINE SHOW OF FORCE.

Free will....does not work.We are not called to to destroy evil but to resist it in this world and do good

This science experiment is likely to create an unacceptable result: organized evil known as fascism.....what good is that? EVIL HAS ALWAYS BEEN HERE IT JUST WALKS THE EARTH AS DIFFERENT THINGS AT DIFFERENT TIMES

Does your Christ and bible tell you to revolt and oppose evil with a revolution against the power control group? NO.....if not..... You get to suffer wi God's will providing the deception to promote turning the other cheek a thousand times as your family is destroyed based on your loyalty to this passive promotion of loving your satanic enemies?????!!!!!THERE ARE TIMES ONE MAY HAVE TO FIGHT FOR HIS OR HER LIFE IN SELF DEFENSE BUT NOT TO START A REVOLUTION BECAUSE OF AN UNJUST SYSTEM

If the mantra is true (Christ died for your sins).....doesn't that ignore the punishment for those who killed Christ as a way to hold power? NO.....aren't we ignoring promotion of justice for those who are in power?NO......don't you die for your sins?....doesn't your sins end up punishing you free of the reference to the mantra? Christ died that you being a sinner has a grace period to turn away from your sins and correct your life.it does not mean that christ died so you can go on sinning and doing wrong

If Christ was resurrected......then he is not dead.....and could not have died for your sins (you were not alive yet)?CHRIST RESURRECTED INTO THE HEAVENLIES TO PROVE TO US THAT THIS IS NOT A FINAL END WHEN WE DIE. WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LIVE AGAIN LIKE HIM AS LONG AS WE WALK IN THE OBEDIENCE TO HIS WORD AND TO TRUST HIS FATHER WHOM HE CAME TO TEACH US OF

Christ was murdered for political reasons....much Lke MLK.

But the real sin was.....silent cowardly apathy by his followers who did not raise a weapon to the Romans?

Why not die for your savior?

Why not oppose the evil police state?

You die when you turn the other cheek a thousand times.........now your a passive crime victim a thousand times.....failure to stick up for yourself or your savior is the real sin of cowardice and conformity....YES! BUT WHEN YOU STAND IT SHOULD NOT BE WITH GUNS AND BOMBS BUT THE WORD OF TRUTH THAT IS IN YOUR HEART?

Who is a coward for Christ? MEN WHO ARE AFRADD TO SPEAK HIS TRUTH IN THE FACE OF AN EVIL WORLD SYSTEM AND CORRUPT CHURCHES

Who is a coward protecting fascism and a corrupt police state? THE MEN WHO HAVE SOLD OUT CHRISTIANITY TO THE WORLD SYSTEM MAKING OUR MESSIAH A PAGAN ICON
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28441088


I have answered all your concerns
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Wrong OP....It's talking about the AntiChrist.

Christ is being talked about in the verses in blue.

Anti-Christ in Red.

It's very clear when taken in context.



Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, [that] from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince [shall be] seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
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Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:
and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.


Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10783814


yep, classic mistake. they take one verse without checking the context and reading the verses around it both before and after it and try to interpret it. those without eyes to see...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1880593


OP is correct, the mistake is yours.
 Quoting: Aman 18120924


great argument...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1880593



It is one of the more interesting topics; I tend to side with the OP on this one as changing the subject from Christ to the anti-christ (9:26) is contrary to the topic itself.




Acts 21 describes Paul between a rock & a hard place, being Jewish as a Minister to the Gentiles being falsely accused of having polluted the Holy place:


23 Do therefore this that we say to thee: We have four men which have a vow on them;

24 Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law.

25 As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.

26 Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purification, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them.

27 And when the seven days were almost ended, the Jews which were of Asia, when they saw him in the temple, stirred up all the people, and laid hands on him,

28 Crying out, Men of Israel, help: This is the man, that teacheth all men every where against the people, and the law, and this place: and further brought Greeks also into the temple, and hath polluted this holy place.

29 (For they had seen before with him in the city Trophimus an Ephesian, whom they supposed that Paul had brought into the temple.)
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I really wish you people stop following the false teachers and search your scriptures.This is the deception that have you all waiting on a man to make peace for three and a half years and then in the middle ; the next three and a half years bring on the great tribualtion..

The week is not a physical week but a break down in time the hebrews counted ttime in weeks of jubilees

7 x 360 = 2520 yrs
3.5 x 360 =1260 yrs

1260/360 =3 1/2

week in this context is a jubilee

:IOLYHTYY:

**That is very very wrong this has nothing to do with an antichrist**

The book of daniel was very specific and there are other precepts which will tell you exactly what was revealed to Daniel.

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The Book Of Daniel Chp 9

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Dan 12:11 Matt 24:15 Mark 13:14


WHAT WAS THAT COVENNANT? NOTICE IT SAID "THE COVENANT" AND NOT "A COVENANT". NOW WHO HAD MADE A COVENANT WITH HIS PEOPLE?

YOUR BIBLE TELLS YOU ABOUT THIS COVENANT THAT WAS MADE, EVEN THE NEW TESTAMENT RECONFIRMED THIS.WHEN MESSIAH WAS CRUCIFIED HE SAID "IT IS FINISHED"
**IT IS FINISHED! BECAUSE HE ACCOMPLISHED THE TASK OF BEING THE REDEEMER OF ISRAEL THROUGH HIS DEATH. HE CONFIRMED THE COVENANT AND PROVED THE FATHER JUST AND TRUE TO HIS WORD**


NOW LET US LOOK AT "THE COVENANT" THAT WAS MADE AND AGAIN REFERENCED IN YOUR NEW TESTAMENT BY BROTHER PAUL CONFFIRMING THAT THESE MEN DID STUDY THE OLD TESTAMENT AND THAT IS WHAT THEY TAUGHT FROM

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The Book Of Galations Chp 3

16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is "Christ"[A MESSIAH][THE SCARIFICE][A SAVIOR][the lamb that will be slaughtered]

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REMEMBER YOU SING THIS IN CHURCH?.
GENESIS CHAPTER 22:8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together

IF YOU READ THE WHOLE CHAPTER YOU WILL SEE THE PROMISE WAS MADE "THE COVENANT"
"THE LAMB OF GOD THAT CAME TO TAKE AWAY THE SINS OF THE WORLD"
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17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

RIGHT HERE IS THE CONFIRMATION OF "THE COVENANT"the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ,


18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.



:jkjkjj:


THE COVENANT DANIEL SPOKE OF WAS CONFIRMED BY THE CRUCIFIXION OF MESSIAH TAKING AWAY THE SACRIFICING OF ANIMALS AND OBLATIONS.THIS THE PROMISE MADE TO ABRAHAM AS YOU SEE AND TO HIS SEED

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to "the promise" "THE COVENANT"
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar



The Antichrist and the Judgment of This Wicked Generation


10/24/04 From God The Father - A Letter Given to Timothy, For All Those Who Have Ears to Hear

Timothy, write all things as The Lord commands you, for the time draws oh so short... Hence, in six years time shall the nations fall, for the beast is now among you. Even now, this very day, he makes his play for power. Beware... For he is coming in the guise of peace, a lover of men.
Know this, all you of wisdom, and all you who have received understanding: He is a snare... He opens the pit of hell, which is the grave, and suffering does follow after him. He is the maker of lies, and all his people will believe him. For it has been ordained by The Most High, that all those, not of The Word, shall believe the lies.
And his lies proceed from him, like the fragrance of a rose in full bloom... A sweet perfume taken deeply into the lungs, of the one who has bent down to partake of its scent... But oh how quickly does it turn, once ingested, quickly becoming the most awful and putrid smell. Rotting from the inside are his people... They are already dead, for there is no breath left in them... Only a rotten stench and putrifying sores remain.
Timothy, you must turn the tide of their hearts quickly, and in the beginning you must do so, for steadfast is My wrath against them.

Thus says The Lord, concerning those who do not turn, all those who refuse to see the Truth, who do rebel against their God: Your hearts shall be hardened, for you are lost... WICKED GENERATION!... Worshippers of him, who has wroth anger and blasphemy at his heart! Therefore, My fierce countenance shall be unveiled!... And woe to those who remain!...


Woe, woe, woe, to the peoples of the earth!...

The time has come!...

No longer will I endure the evil madness of this world of men!


My patience is all but lost... My Word and My ways, even My very Son, have become an insult to them, and oh how they do rebel against Me, even wholeheartedly. No longer do I stop their ears, yet they do stop them of their own accord, willingly... Lest they should hear even one shining glimmer of The Word’s majesty, and be saved.


Travesty! Oh travesty!... My people have turned from Me!...

Therefore, it is with a heavy heart, that I must now turn My hand against them.


Yet do not fear, oh servants, for I have first poured out My Spirit upon the whole world, and with a loud voice have I uttered to all, saying, “Hear Me... I am The Lord, YOUR GOD! Hear Me!... Turn from your ways, return to Me, and read My Word!... Come to Me, know Me, for My love for you is great... Listen to My Son, accept Him, and repent!”
For He have I sent into the midst of the world, to reap. And He shall surely gather, even all those who remain willing... All, in whom He sees of Himself. Soon I will call Him back, and with Him shall come all those who are Mine, even every one who I had drawn to Him. Woe to those who would not come, woe to those who I must leave... They will suffer My fierce anger, the bitter anguish of My heart.


For My heart is broken...

And I will avenge those persecuted for My name,
And those who were slain, of innocent blood...

Their blood, their most precious nectar of life... The very lights of the world.


So I say, FEAR!... Fear and tremble unto death, for death will be a blessing to those who remain!... For My fierce anger is aroused. It is burning hot as a furnace, and shall rage seven times, and who shall quench it?! I will judge and punish those who rebel against Me! And slay ALL, who have murdered My saints and prophets!... With a double portion reserved for those, who have hurt My little ones!
Lo, they, who have harmed My precious lights of the world, will cry out, “Please let us have the millstone about our necks, and cast us into the depths of the sea, and hide us from the face of The One who sits on high, and has come against us as a terrible storm, as an everlasting scourging.” Behold, in that Day, I will cause them all to turn on one another, even to destruction of the earth... And the blood shall flow, even as the River Euphrates, when its waters are about to burst its banks... As a flood after a torrential rain, reaching to the height of a horse’s bridle.


Then The Son shall appear in His strength,
Coming on the clouds, in all power and glory...

No one will escape the light of His coming!... No one!...

Not in the heavens, on the earth or under the earth.


His light will leave not a shadow, for His glory shall pierce the heavens and permeate the entire earth... Even to the bottom of the abyss. In that day, all those not of The Son will be driven through unto death, with the light of His coming and the sword of His mouth. None will be left standing, for He has set forth a great feast for the birds and the beasts of the earth, to become engorged on the flesh of the damned... His power is boundless!
Woe, woe, woe, to the beast and his false prophet! For they will bow before The King, and confess HE is Lord, saying, “Jesus, You are The Christ, and truly, You are The King of kings and Lord of lords... Have mercy on us.” Yet He will not hear their pleas, for they have slain the saints and led many into damnation... The blood of many is on their hands.
Therefore, He, The King of Power and Glory, will give unto them a fierce scourging, with the sword of His mouth, in the presence of the saints, the angels, and the dragon. Then He will cast them into the lake of burning fire; and they will suffer day and night, until the end. Then to the dragon will he do likewise, except this: He will first bind him, until the plan of the ages, the design of The Most High, comes to its conclusion...


Then shall come the time of great rejoicing...

When indeed, all things have been put under the feet, of The Holy One of Israel...

The last being that of death.



[And the angels shout]

Glory and everlasting praise, to The Lord and to His Son,

Who is the beginning of all things, and the end of all that is wicked!


Glory be on high!... All things have become new!



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I really wish you people stop following the false teachers and search your scriptures.This is the deception that have you all waiting on a man to make peace for three and a half years and then in the middle ; the next three and a half years bring on the great tribualtion..

The week is not a physical week but a break down in time the hebrews counted ttime in weeks of jubilees

7 x 360 = 2520 yrs
3.5 x 360 =1260 yrs

1260/360 =3 1/2

week in this context is a jubilee

IOLYHTYY

**That is very very wrong this has nothing to do with an antichrist**

The book of daniel was very specific and there are other precepts which will tell you exactly what was revealed to Daniel.

JKYJYJYJY

The Book Of Daniel Chp 9

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Dan 12:11 Matt 24:15 Mark 13:14


WHAT WAS THAT COVENNANT? NOTICE IT SAID "THE COVENANT" AND NOT "A COVENANT". NOW WHO HAD MADE A COVENANT WITH HIS PEOPLE?

YOUR BIBLE TELLS YOU ABOUT THIS COVENANT THAT WAS MADE, EVEN THE NEW TESTAMENT RECONFIRMED THIS.WHEN MESSIAH WAS CRUCIFIED HE SAID "IT IS FINISHED"
**IT IS FINISHED! BECAUSE HE ACCOMPLISHED THE TASK OF BEING THE REDEEMER OF ISRAEL THROUGH HIS DEATH. HE CONFIRMED THE COVENANT AND PROVED THE FATHER JUST AND TRUE TO HIS WORD**


NOW LET US LOOK AT "THE COVENANT" THAT WAS MADE AND AGAIN REFERENCED IN YOUR NEW TESTAMENT BY BROTHER PAUL CONFFIRMING THAT THESE MEN DID STUDY THE OLD TESTAMENT AND THAT IS WHAT THEY TAUGHT FROM

M,JJK,J

The Book Of Galations Chp 3

16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is "Christ"[A MESSIAH][THE SCARIFICE][A SAVIOR][the lamb that will be slaughtered]

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REMEMBER YOU SING THIS IN CHURCH?.
GENESIS CHAPTER 22:8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together

IF YOU READ THE WHOLE CHAPTER YOU WILL SEE THE PROMISE WAS MADE "THE COVENANT"
"THE LAMB OF GOD THAT CAME TO TAKE AWAY THE SINS OF THE WORLD"
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17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

RIGHT HERE IS THE CONFIRMATION OF "THE COVENANT"the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ,


18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.



jkjkjj


THE COVENANT DANIEL SPOKE OF WAS CONFIRMED BY THE CRUCIFIXION OF MESSIAH TAKING AWAY THE SACRIFICING OF ANIMALS AND OBLATIONS.THIS THE PROMISE MADE TO ABRAHAM AS YOU SEE AND TO HIS SEED

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to "the promise" "THE COVENANT"
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar



The Antichrist and the Judgment of This Wicked Generation


10/24/04 From God The Father - A Letter Given to Timothy, For All Those Who Have Ears to Hear

Timothy, write all things as The Lord commands you, for the time draws oh so short... Hence, in six years time shall the nations fall, for the beast is now among you. Even now, this very day, he makes his play for power. Beware... For he is coming in the guise of peace, a lover of men.
Know this, all you of wisdom, and all you who have received understanding: He is a snare... He opens the pit of hell, which is the grave, and suffering does follow after him. He is the maker of lies, and all his people will believe him. For it has been ordained by The Most High, that all those, not of The Word, shall believe the lies.
And his lies proceed from him, like the fragrance of a rose in full bloom... A sweet perfume taken deeply into the lungs, of the one who has bent down to partake of its scent... But oh how quickly does it turn, once ingested, quickly becoming the most awful and putrid smell. Rotting from the inside are his people... They are already dead, for there is no breath left in them... Only a rotten stench and putrifying sores remain.
Timothy, you must turn the tide of their hearts quickly, and in the beginning you must do so, for steadfast is My wrath against them.

Thus says The Lord, concerning those who do not turn, all those who refuse to see the Truth, who do rebel against their God: Your hearts shall be hardened, for you are lost... WICKED GENERATION!... Worshippers of him, who has wroth anger and blasphemy at his heart! Therefore, My fierce countenance shall be unveiled!... And woe to those who remain!...


Woe, woe, woe, to the peoples of the earth!...

The time has come!...

No longer will I endure the evil madness of this world of men!


My patience is all but lost... My Word and My ways, even My very Son, have become an insult to them, and oh how they do rebel against Me, even wholeheartedly. No longer do I stop their ears, yet they do stop them of their own accord, willingly... Lest they should hear even one shining glimmer of The Word’s majesty, and be saved.


Travesty! Oh travesty!... My people have turned from Me!...

Therefore, it is with a heavy heart, that I must now turn My hand against them.


Yet do not fear, oh servants, for I have first poured out My Spirit upon the whole world, and with a loud voice have I uttered to all, saying, “Hear Me... I am The Lord, YOUR GOD! Hear Me!... Turn from your ways, return to Me, and read My Word!... Come to Me, know Me, for My love for you is great... Listen to My Son, accept Him, and repent!”
For He have I sent into the midst of the world, to reap. And He shall surely gather, even all those who remain willing... All, in whom He sees of Himself. Soon I will call Him back, and with Him shall come all those who are Mine, even every one who I had drawn to Him. Woe to those who would not come, woe to those who I must leave... They will suffer My fierce anger, the bitter anguish of My heart.


For My heart is broken...

And I will avenge those persecuted for My name,
And those who were slain, of innocent blood...

Their blood, their most precious nectar of life... The very lights of the world.


So I say, FEAR!... Fear and tremble unto death, for death will be a blessing to those who remain!... For My fierce anger is aroused. It is burning hot as a furnace, and shall rage seven times, and who shall quench it?! I will judge and punish those who rebel against Me! And slay ALL, who have murdered My saints and prophets!... With a double portion reserved for those, who have hurt My little ones!
Lo, they, who have harmed My precious lights of the world, will cry out, “Please let us have the millstone about our necks, and cast us into the depths of the sea, and hide us from the face of The One who sits on high, and has come against us as a terrible storm, as an everlasting scourging.” Behold, in that Day, I will cause them all to turn on one another, even to destruction of the earth... And the blood shall flow, even as the River Euphrates, when its waters are about to burst its banks... As a flood after a torrential rain, reaching to the height of a horse’s bridle.


Then The Son shall appear in His strength,
Coming on the clouds, in all power and glory...

No one will escape the light of His coming!... No one!...

Not in the heavens, on the earth or under the earth.


His light will leave not a shadow, for His glory shall pierce the heavens and permeate the entire earth... Even to the bottom of the abyss. In that day, all those not of The Son will be driven through unto death, with the light of His coming and the sword of His mouth. None will be left standing, for He has set forth a great feast for the birds and the beasts of the earth, to become engorged on the flesh of the damned... His power is boundless!
Woe, woe, woe, to the beast and his false prophet! For they will bow before The King, and confess HE is Lord, saying, “Jesus, You are The Christ, and truly, You are The King of kings and Lord of lords... Have mercy on us.” Yet He will not hear their pleas, for they have slain the saints and led many into damnation... The blood of many is on their hands.
Therefore, He, The King of Power and Glory, will give unto them a fierce scourging, with the sword of His mouth, in the presence of the saints, the angels, and the dragon. Then He will cast them into the lake of burning fire; and they will suffer day and night, until the end. Then to the dragon will he do likewise, except this: He will first bind him, until the plan of the ages, the design of The Most High, comes to its conclusion...


Then shall come the time of great rejoicing...

When indeed, all things have been put under the feet, of The Holy One of Israel...

The last being that of death.



[And the angels shout]

Glory and everlasting praise, to The Lord and to His Son,

Who is the beginning of all things, and the end of all that is wicked!


Glory be on high!... All things have become new!



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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28462512


shar:MV8yMDYxNzM5Xzg0N0Y1RTRD]
I really wish you people stop following the false teachers and search your scriptures.This is the deception that have you all waiting on a man to make peace for three and a half years and then in the middle ; the next three and a half years bring on the great tribualtion..

The week is not a physical week but a break down in time the hebrews counted ttime in weeks of jubilees

7 x 360 = 2520 yrs
3.5 x 360 =1260 yrs

1260/360 =3 1/2

week in this context is a jubilee

IOLYHTYY

**That is very very wrong this has nothing to do with an antichrist**

The book of daniel was very specific and there are other precepts which will tell you exactly what was revealed to Daniel.

JKYJYJYJY

The Book Of Daniel Chp 9

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Dan 12:11 Matt 24:15 Mark 13:14


WHAT WAS THAT COVENNANT? NOTICE IT SAID
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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yep, classic mistake. they take one verse without checking the context and reading the verses around it both before and after it and try to interpret it. those without eyes to see...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1880593


OP is correct, the mistake is yours.
 Quoting: Aman 18120924


great argument...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1880593



It is one of the more interesting topics; I tend to side with the OP on this one as changing the subject from Christ to the anti-christ (9:26) is contrary to the topic itself.




Acts 21 describes Paul between a rock & a hard place, being Jewish as a Minister to the Gentiles being falsely accused of having polluted the Holy place:


23 Do therefore this that we say to thee: We have four men which have a vow on them;

24 Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law.

25 As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.

26 Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purification, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them.

27 And when the seven days were almost ended, the Jews which were of Asia, when they saw him in the temple, stirred up all the people, and laid hands on him,

28 Crying out, Men of Israel, help: This is the man, that teacheth all men every where against the people, and the law, and this place: and further brought Greeks also into the temple, and hath polluted this holy place.

29 (For they had seen before with him in the city Trophimus an Ephesian, whom they supposed that Paul had brought into the temple.)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21237155

the issue is false doctrines were pounded into peoples head for generations and its hard for them to see the truth
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Isa_28:18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.
Hos 12:1 Ephraim feedeth on wind, and followeth after the east wind: he daily increaseth lies and desolation; and they do make a covenant with the Assyrians, and oil is carried into Egypt.
Hos 12:2 The LORD hath also a controversy with Judah, and will punish Jacob according to his ways; according to his doings will he recompense him.

Luk_13:35 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

The covenant is the covenant with death, in Isaiah, the covenant with the Assyrians in Hosea the covenant in Gal is the everlasting covenant.

Dan_8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.
Dan_11:18 After this shall he turn his face unto the isles, and shall take many: but a prince for his own behalf shall cause the reproach offered by him to cease; without his own reproach he shall cause it to turn upon him.
Dan_11:26 Yea, they that feed of the portion of his meat shall destroy him, and his army shall overflow: and many shall fall down slain.
Dan_11:33 And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.
Dan_11:34 Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.
Dan_11:39 Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.

Jesus didn't cause the prayer and obilation to cease, His resurection shifted the sacrifice to a spiritual sacrifice.

Rom_12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

Satan causes the sacrifice to cease by poluting gods sanctuary. It happened at the time of the first coming and it stayed desolate since. The true sacrifice is spiritual, that too has ceased today as the orthodox church has become the harlot.

The only true living sacrifice is outside the camp,

Heb 13:11 For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp.
Heb 13:12 Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.
Heb 13:13 Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach.
Heb 13:14 For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.
Heb 13:15 By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name.
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I really wish you people stop following the false teachers and search your scriptures.This is the deception that have you all waiting on a man to make peace for three and a half years and then in the middle ; the next three and a half years bring on the great tribualtion..

The week is not a physical week but a break down in time the hebrews counted ttime in weeks of jubilees

7 x 360 = 2520 yrs
3.5 x 360 =1260 yrs

1260/360 =3 1/2

week in this context is a jubilee

IOLYHTYY

**That is very very wrong this has nothing to do with an antichrist**

The book of daniel was very specific and there are other precepts which will tell you exactly what was revealed to Daniel.

JKYJYJYJY

The Book Of Daniel Chp 9

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Dan 12:11 Matt 24:15 Mark 13:14


WHAT WAS THAT COVENNANT? NOTICE IT SAID "THE COVENANT" AND NOT "A COVENANT". NOW WHO HAD MADE A COVENANT WITH HIS PEOPLE?

YOUR BIBLE TELLS YOU ABOUT THIS COVENANT THAT WAS MADE, EVEN THE NEW TESTAMENT RECONFIRMED THIS.WHEN MESSIAH WAS CRUCIFIED HE SAID "IT IS FINISHED"
**IT IS FINISHED! BECAUSE HE ACCOMPLISHED THE TASK OF BEING THE REDEEMER OF ISRAEL THROUGH HIS DEATH. HE CONFIRMED THE COVENANT AND PROVED THE FATHER JUST AND TRUE TO HIS WORD**


NOW LET US LOOK AT "THE COVENANT" THAT WAS MADE AND AGAIN REFERENCED IN YOUR NEW TESTAMENT BY BROTHER PAUL CONFFIRMING THAT THESE MEN DID STUDY THE OLD TESTAMENT AND THAT IS WHAT THEY TAUGHT FROM

M,JJK,J

The Book Of Galations Chp 3

16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is "Christ"[A MESSIAH][THE SCARIFICE][A SAVIOR][the lamb that will be slaughtered]

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REMEMBER YOU SING THIS IN CHURCH?.
GENESIS CHAPTER 22:8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together

IF YOU READ THE WHOLE CHAPTER YOU WILL SEE THE PROMISE WAS MADE "THE COVENANT"
"THE LAMB OF GOD THAT CAME TO TAKE AWAY THE SINS OF THE WORLD"
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17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

RIGHT HERE IS THE CONFIRMATION OF "THE COVENANT"the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ,


18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.



jkjkjj


THE COVENANT DANIEL SPOKE OF WAS CONFIRMED BY THE CRUCIFIXION OF MESSIAH TAKING AWAY THE SACRIFICING OF ANIMALS AND OBLATIONS.THIS THE PROMISE MADE TO ABRAHAM AS YOU SEE AND TO HIS SEED

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to "the promise" "THE COVENANT"
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Ok so now that you have that cleared up, what is your opinion of the things that will happen between now and the next six months??? Just curious!!!hf
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I really wish you people stop following the false teachers and search your scriptures.This is the deception that have you all waiting on a man to make peace for three and a half years and then in the middle ; the next three and a half years bring on the great tribualtion..

The week is not a physical week but a break down in time the hebrews counted ttime in weeks of jubilees

7 x 360 = 2520 yrs
3.5 x 360 =1260 yrs

1260/360 =3 1/2

week in this context is a jubilee

:IOLYHTYY:

**That is very very wrong this has nothing to do with an antichrist**

The book of daniel was very specific and there are other precepts which will tell you exactly what was revealed to Daniel.

:JKYJYJYJY:

The Book Of Daniel Chp 9

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Dan 12:11 Matt 24:15 Mark 13:14


WHAT WAS THAT COVENNANT? NOTICE IT SAID "THE COVENANT" AND NOT "A COVENANT". NOW WHO HAD MADE A COVENANT WITH HIS PEOPLE?

YOUR BIBLE TELLS YOU ABOUT THIS COVENANT THAT WAS MADE, EVEN THE NEW TESTAMENT RECONFIRMED THIS.WHEN MESSIAH WAS CRUCIFIED HE SAID "IT IS FINISHED"
**IT IS FINISHED! BECAUSE HE ACCOMPLISHED THE TASK OF BEING THE REDEEMER OF ISRAEL THROUGH HIS DEATH. HE CONFIRMED THE COVENANT AND PROVED THE FATHER JUST AND TRUE TO HIS WORD**


NOW LET US LOOK AT "THE COVENANT" THAT WAS MADE AND AGAIN REFERENCED IN YOUR NEW TESTAMENT BY BROTHER PAUL CONFFIRMING THAT THESE MEN DID STUDY THE OLD TESTAMENT AND THAT IS WHAT THEY TAUGHT FROM

:M,JJK,J:

The Book Of Galations Chp 3

16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is "Christ"[A MESSIAH][THE SCARIFICE][A SAVIOR][the lamb that will be slaughtered]

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Notes:
REMEMBER YOU SING THIS IN CHURCH?.
GENESIS CHAPTER 22:8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together

IF YOU READ THE WHOLE CHAPTER YOU WILL SEE THE PROMISE WAS MADE "THE COVENANT"
"THE LAMB OF GOD THAT CAME TO TAKE AWAY THE SINS OF THE WORLD"
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17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

RIGHT HERE IS THE CONFIRMATION OF "THE COVENANT"the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ,


18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.



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THE COVENANT DANIEL SPOKE OF WAS CONFIRMED BY THE CRUCIFIXION OF MESSIAH TAKING AWAY THE SACRIFICING OF ANIMALS AND OBLATIONS.THIS THE PROMISE MADE TO ABRAHAM AS YOU SEE AND TO HIS SEED

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to "the promise" "THE COVENANT"
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Over 3 decades ago when I was nine years old I tried to tell them this at church.

I had been reading daniel and revelation and also what Jesus said many times and what he did.

Now been only nine I had not had enough TIME for the BS the mainline illuminati taught churches to soak in..I saw it all from an UNBIASED point of view..fresh..clean..unsullied.

I remember trying to go through the verses with some pastors and they just REFUSED to see what was in front of their eyes..because..they had Hal lindsay to look up to..STUFF what the bible actually SAID..MENS(SATANS) doctrines were WAY more important.

(Besides..I was only a child..HOW DARE I presume to think I KNEW anything)

Strong delusions indeed..its SO STRONG that even when its right in front of them they REFUSE to see it..because the TRUTH..makes NO MONEY..selling BOOKS and LIES..do.

Now at 44 years of age I know a LOT MORE..and I still run into the same wall of "YOU LIE..you are POSSESED..and YOUR doctrine makes NO MONEY" (TRUTH never does..but people LOVE TO BUY LIES)
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THE COVENANT DANIEL SPOKE OF WAS CONFIRMED BY THE CRUCIFIXION OF MESSIAH TAKING AWAY THE SACRIFICING OF ANIMALS AND OBLATIONS.THIS THE PROMISE MADE TO ABRAHAM AS YOU SEE AND TO HIS SEED
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Surely you aren't telling people to follow the Law of Moses with the sacrifices removed. Jesus specifically said that He wasn't making any changes to the Law of Moses, and spoke strongly against people removing things from it. (See Matthew 5:18-19)

Jesus brought us the new covenant, which has a new priesthood, with Jesus as High Priest. The new covenant doesn't have regular sacrifices like the old covenant did. The new covenant law isn't the Law of Moses, it's new.
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I really wish you people stop following the false teachers and search your scriptures.This is the deception that have you all waiting on a man to make peace for three and a half years and then in the middle ; the next three and a half years bring on the great tribualtion..

The week is not a physical week but a break down in time the hebrews counted ttime in weeks of jubilees

7 x 360 = 2520 yrs
3.5 x 360 =1260 yrs

1260/360 =3 1/2

week in this context is a jubilee

IOLYHTYY

**That is very very wrong this has nothing to do with an antichrist**

The book of daniel was very specific and there are other precepts which will tell you exactly what was revealed to Daniel.

JKYJYJYJY

The Book Of Daniel Chp 9

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Dan 12:11 Matt 24:15 Mark 13:14


WHAT WAS THAT COVENNANT? NOTICE IT SAID "THE COVENANT" AND NOT "A COVENANT". NOW WHO HAD MADE A COVENANT WITH HIS PEOPLE?

YOUR BIBLE TELLS YOU ABOUT THIS COVENANT THAT WAS MADE, EVEN THE NEW TESTAMENT RECONFIRMED THIS.WHEN MESSIAH WAS CRUCIFIED HE SAID "IT IS FINISHED"
**IT IS FINISHED! BECAUSE HE ACCOMPLISHED THE TASK OF BEING THE REDEEMER OF ISRAEL THROUGH HIS DEATH. HE CONFIRMED THE COVENANT AND PROVED THE FATHER JUST AND TRUE TO HIS WORD**


NOW LET US LOOK AT "THE COVENANT" THAT WAS MADE AND AGAIN REFERENCED IN YOUR NEW TESTAMENT BY BROTHER PAUL CONFFIRMING THAT THESE MEN DID STUDY THE OLD TESTAMENT AND THAT IS WHAT THEY TAUGHT FROM

M,JJK,J

The Book Of Galations Chp 3

16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is "Christ"[A MESSIAH][THE SCARIFICE][A SAVIOR][the lamb that will be slaughtered]

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Notes:
REMEMBER YOU SING THIS IN CHURCH?.
GENESIS CHAPTER 22:8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together

IF YOU READ THE WHOLE CHAPTER YOU WILL SEE THE PROMISE WAS MADE "THE COVENANT"
"THE LAMB OF GOD THAT CAME TO TAKE AWAY THE SINS OF THE WORLD"
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17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

RIGHT HERE IS THE CONFIRMATION OF "THE COVENANT"the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ,


18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.



jkjkjj


THE COVENANT DANIEL SPOKE OF WAS CONFIRMED BY THE CRUCIFIXION OF MESSIAH TAKING AWAY THE SACRIFICING OF ANIMALS AND OBLATIONS.THIS THE PROMISE MADE TO ABRAHAM AS YOU SEE AND TO HIS SEED

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to "the promise" "THE COVENANT"
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Over 3 decades ago when I was nine years old I tried to tell them this at church.

I had been reading daniel and revelation and also what Jesus said many times and what he did.

Now been only nine I had not had enough TIME for the BS the mainline illuminati taught churches to soak in..I saw it all from an UNBIASED point of view..fresh..clean..unsullied.

I remember trying to go through the verses with some pastors and they just REFUSED to see what was in front of their eyes..because..they had Hal lindsay to look up to..STUFF what the bible actually SAID..MENS(SATANS) doctrines were WAY more important.

(Besides..I was only a child..HOW DARE I presume to think I KNEW anything)

Strong delusions indeed..its SO STRONG that even when its right in front of them they REFUSE to see it..because the TRUTH..makes NO MONEY..selling BOOKS and LIES..do.

Now at 44 years of age I know a LOT MORE..and I still run into the same wall of "YOU LIE..you are POSSESED..and YOUR doctrine makes NO MONEY" (TRUTH never does..but people LOVE TO BUY LIES)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17442043

I am happy to hear this testimony brother it is encouraging.I had the same experience and still having the issues with the blind folk. Bu stay strong and focused this is your confrimation that you are right
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
:knoup:
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THE COVENANT DANIEL SPOKE OF WAS CONFIRMED BY THE CRUCIFIXION OF MESSIAH TAKING AWAY THE SACRIFICING OF ANIMALS AND OBLATIONS.THIS THE PROMISE MADE TO ABRAHAM AS YOU SEE AND TO HIS SEED
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Surely you aren't telling people to follow the Law of Moses with the sacrifices removed. Jesus specifically said that He wasn't making any changes to the Law of Moses, and spoke strongly against people removing things from it. (See Matthew 5:18-19)

Jesus brought us the new covenant, which has a new priesthood, with Jesus as High Priest. The new covenant doesn't have regular sacrifices like the old covenant did. The new covenant law isn't the Law of Moses, it's new.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28463136


I am not addressing anything of that nature ..I am addressing the mistaken identity of the one who confirmed the covenant.
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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I really wish you people stop following the false teachers and search your scriptures.This is the deception that have you all waiting on a man to make peace for three and a half years and then in the middle ; the next three and a half years bring on the great tribualtion..

The week is not a physical week but a break down in time the hebrews counted ttime in weeks of jubilees

7 x 360 = 2520 yrs
3.5 x 360 =1260 yrs

1260/360 =3 1/2

week in this context is a jubilee

IOLYHTYY

**That is very very wrong this has nothing to do with an antichrist**

The book of daniel was very specific and there are other precepts which will tell you exactly what was revealed to Daniel.

JKYJYJYJY

The Book Of Daniel Chp 9

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Dan 12:11 Matt 24:15 Mark 13:14


WHAT WAS THAT COVENNANT? NOTICE IT SAID "THE COVENANT" AND NOT "A COVENANT". NOW WHO HAD MADE A COVENANT WITH HIS PEOPLE?

YOUR BIBLE TELLS YOU ABOUT THIS COVENANT THAT WAS MADE, EVEN THE NEW TESTAMENT RECONFIRMED THIS.WHEN MESSIAH WAS CRUCIFIED HE SAID "IT IS FINISHED"
**IT IS FINISHED! BECAUSE HE ACCOMPLISHED THE TASK OF BEING THE REDEEMER OF ISRAEL THROUGH HIS DEATH. HE CONFIRMED THE COVENANT AND PROVED THE FATHER JUST AND TRUE TO HIS WORD**


NOW LET US LOOK AT "THE COVENANT" THAT WAS MADE AND AGAIN REFERENCED IN YOUR NEW TESTAMENT BY BROTHER PAUL CONFFIRMING THAT THESE MEN DID STUDY THE OLD TESTAMENT AND THAT IS WHAT THEY TAUGHT FROM

M,JJK,J

The Book Of Galations Chp 3

16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is "Christ"[A MESSIAH][THE SCARIFICE][A SAVIOR][the lamb that will be slaughtered]

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Notes:
REMEMBER YOU SING THIS IN CHURCH?.
GENESIS CHAPTER 22:8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together

IF YOU READ THE WHOLE CHAPTER YOU WILL SEE THE PROMISE WAS MADE "THE COVENANT"
"THE LAMB OF GOD THAT CAME TO TAKE AWAY THE SINS OF THE WORLD"
-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0

17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

RIGHT HERE IS THE CONFIRMATION OF "THE COVENANT"the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ,


18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.



jkjkjj


THE COVENANT DANIEL SPOKE OF WAS CONFIRMED BY THE CRUCIFIXION OF MESSIAH TAKING AWAY THE SACRIFICING OF ANIMALS AND OBLATIONS.THIS THE PROMISE MADE TO ABRAHAM AS YOU SEE AND TO HIS SEED

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to "the promise" "THE COVENANT"
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Ok so now that you have that cleared up, what is your opinion of the things that will happen between now and the next six months??? Just curious!!!hf
 Quoting: DaddysGirl


In the next six months things wil continue to get worse but few will notice the change because weare so comsumed in worldly things.Just like in the days of Noah people will get broadsided living in this fasle sense of security waiting on an antichrist to sound an alarm to get right. That will not happen like that anti christ is already at work and people are following after him and not even realizing it.
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
:knoup:
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OH FUCK
NOT MORE RELIGIOUS FUCKING BULLSHIT

If all you Bibletard Assholes spent this much time
on REAL WORLD ISSUES
Then you would probably solve 90% of them.

BUT NO

You would rather WASTE YOUR TIME MAKING SURE THAT THE WHOLE FUCKING WORLD STAYS PERMANENTLY DIVIDED BY DIFFERENT RELIGIONS
THAT WILL NEVER EVER EVER SEE EYE TO EYE


You hear me FUCKO?

FUCK OFF
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OP, when you find time take a look at Revelation 14:15-20 & review it closely.

Read it like a Philadelphia lawyer and give me your take on that, if you care.


I know that Scripture is not subject to private interpretation, just wondering what your thoughts are.


hf
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OP, when you find time take a look at Revelation 14:15-20 & review it closely.

Read it like a Philadelphia lawyer and give me your take on that, if you care.


I know that Scripture is not subject to private interpretation, just wondering what your thoughts are.


hf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21237155


WILL DO FOR YOUhf

THIS IS WHAT IT IS REFERRING TO

The Book of Isaiah
Chapter 63

1 Who is this that cometh from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah? this that is glorious in his apparel, travelling in the greatness of his strength? I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save.

2 Wherefore art thou red in thine apparel, and thy garments like him that treadeth in the winefat?


3 I have trodden the winepress alone; and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment.

4 For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come.


AND THIS!


The Book of Isaiah

Chapter 34

1 Come near, ye nations, to hear; and hearken, ye people: let the earth hear, and all that is therein; the world, and all things that come forth of it.

2 For the indignation of the LORD is upon all nations, and his fury upon all their armies: he hath utterly destroyed them, he hath delivered them to the slaughter.

3 Their slain also shall be cast out, and their stink shall come up out of their carcases, and the mountains shall be melted with their blood.

4 And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.

5 For my sword shall be bathed in heaven: behold, it shall come down upon Idumea[EDOM], and upon the people of my curse, to judgment.

6 The sword of the LORD is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the LORD hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea.

7 And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness.


8 For it is the day of the LORD's vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.

Last Edited by Neim-Ya'shar on 11/25/2012 08:14 PM
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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oh really? i didnt know Christ's covenant was just for 1 week...sorry op youre way off
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1880593


the week is not a physical week but a break down in time

7 x 360 = 2520 yrs
3.5 x 360 =1260 yrs
week in this context is a jubilee

THE KILLING OF MESSIAH WAS THE ABOMINATION

NOTICE THE DESOLATION OF JERUSALEM WAS IN EFFECT UNTIL IT REALLY HIT IN 70AD


CAPS ...BUT NOT YELLING....LOL
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Nope. Sorry. Don't mislead the people. The Abomination of Desolation will stand where it ought not. Therefore it is not and event but a person.

The Antichrist will stand in the holy place and clam to be God showing himself as God. This is the Abomination that makes desolate.
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oh really? i didnt know Christ's covenant was just for 1 week...sorry op youre way off
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1880593


the week is not a physical week but a break down in time

7 x 360 = 2520 yrs
3.5 x 360 =1260 yrs
week in this context is a jubilee

THE KILLING OF MESSIAH WAS THE ABOMINATION

NOTICE THE DESOLATION OF JERUSALEM WAS IN EFFECT UNTIL IT REALLY HIT IN 70AD


CAPS ...BUT NOT YELLING....LOL
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Nope. Sorry. Don't mislead the people. The Abomination of Desolation will stand where it ought not. Therefore it is not and event but a person.

The Antichrist will stand in the holy place and clam to be God showing himself as God. This is the Abomination that makes desolate.
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I am sorry but you are way off and I understand fully why.You need to study a little history and OT history also. Then you have to switch of your sunday school degree
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
:knoup:
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The week is not a physical week but a break down in time the hebrews counted ttime in weeks of jubilees

7 x 360 = 2520 yrs
3.5 x 360 =1260 yrs

1260/360 =3 1/2

week in this context is a jubilee
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar



So you are saying that Daniel means for us to interpret the 70th week as Jubilee years?

Where 3.5 = 1260 years and 7 = 2520 years?


If so, then we should apply it to the 69 weeks also. Gabriel tells Daniel exactly how to interpret the weeks;

"...Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times..." - Daniel 9:25

7 weeks & 62 weeks = 69 weeks.

Now if Daniel was counting these weeks in "Jubilee years", then Messiah would not come for 69*360 = 24,840 years from the time the city of Jerusalem was rebuilt.

The Christ was not crucified 24,840 years after Daniel penned his book, let alone that duration from the time the city was rebuilt. It was ~ 483 years which encompassed the 69 weeks. Which is "weeks of years". 69*7years = 483 years. Which is the correct application. History confirms this.

There is no need to "allegorize" it or "Jubilize" it or "speculate". Not only that, but scripture is so very literal about the days separating the 70 week all throughout The revelation.

The Holy Spirit could not be more clear when it inspired the authors to speak of this time in history.
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The week is not a physical week but a break down in time the hebrews counted ttime in weeks of jubilees

7 x 360 = 2520 yrs
3.5 x 360 =1260 yrs

1260/360 =3 1/2

week in this context is a jubilee
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar



So you are saying that Daniel means for us to interpret the 70th week as Jubilee years?

Where 3.5 = 1260 years and 7 = 2520 years?


If so, then we should apply it to the 69 weeks also. Gabriel tells Daniel exactly how to interpret the weeks;

"...Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times..." - Daniel 9:25

7 weeks & 62 weeks = 69 weeks.

Now if Daniel was counting these weeks in "Jubilee years", then Messiah would not come for 69*360 = 24,840 years from the time the city of Jerusalem was rebuilt.

The Christ was not crucified 24,840 years after Daniel penned his book, let alone that duration from the time the city was rebuilt. It was ~ 483 years which encompassed the 69 weeks. Which is "weeks of years". 69*7years = 483 years. Which is the correct application. History confirms this.

There is no need to "allegorize" it or "Jubilize" it or "speculate". Not only that, but scripture is so very literal about the days separating the 70 week all throughout The revelation.

The Holy Spirit could not be more clear when it inspired the authors to speak of this time in history.
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Agree with that and I am aware of that but verse 27 is pointing to something further, you see messiah was cut off in the middle of a regular week a 7 day week at just before sunset on a WEDNESDAY. 3DAYS AND 3NIGHTS.. and he did confirm the covenant by his death.This also put us into the beginning of jacobs trouble prophesied in matt 24 the 42months 3.5years also in revelation and daniel[the times of the gentiles coming to its end]

verse 27 "confirm the covenant for one week" what is that then you tell us who is confirming the covenant and with whom.


The antichrist in the middle of Jn DARBY biblical time line where a pope comes in the middle of the falsely acclaimed 7 years great tribulation?

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Re: And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week?....NOT SOME ANTICHRIST BEING REFERRED TOO
There is much speculation over Daniels vision. Many interpretations and views. Even as there remains much speculation over Johns vision.

Daniel was/is dearly beloved and he was shown a great vision to record. He desired to know and understand these things also. He did not understand the vision. the words were closed up and sealed until the time of the end.

I do not think we fully understand the vision yet either. I think the book continues to be unsealed slowly. I suspect it will become clear to those for whom it was intended in its proper and perfect time.

In the meantime, the ministry given to the saints by the LORD is the gospel message. That message is unsealed and and that vision is clear for us today.

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Your number usage reminds me of that Brad dude that used to post his crap here. The Oblation Offering is the important thing, do you know the Rauch HaKodesh?
The shank bone on the Seder Plate, has already been accomplished.
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Re: And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week?....NOT SOME ANTICHRIST BEING REFERRED TOO
OP, when you find time take a look at Revelation 14:15-20 & review it closely.

Read it like a Philadelphia lawyer and give me your take on that, if you care.


I know that Scripture is not subject to private interpretation, just wondering what your thoughts are.


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WILL DO FOR YOUhf

THIS IS WHAT IT IS REFERRING TO

The Book of Isaiah
Chapter 63

1 Who is this that cometh from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah? this that is glorious in his apparel, travelling in the greatness of his strength? I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save.

2 Wherefore art thou red in thine apparel, and thy garments like him that treadeth in the winefat?


3 I have trodden the winepress alone; and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment.

4 For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come.


AND THIS!


The Book of Isaiah

Chapter 34

1 Come near, ye nations, to hear; and hearken, ye people: let the earth hear, and all that is therein; the world, and all things that come forth of it.

2 For the indignation of the LORD is upon all nations, and his fury upon all their armies: he hath utterly destroyed them, he hath delivered them to the slaughter.

3 Their slain also shall be cast out, and their stink shall come up out of their carcases, and the mountains shall be melted with their blood.

4 And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.

5 For my sword shall be bathed in heaven: behold, it shall come down upon Idumea[EDOM], and upon the people of my curse, to judgment.

6 The sword of the LORD is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the LORD hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea.

7 And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness.


8 For it is the day of the LORD's vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar



Thanks for your response, apologies for not having seen it sooner.

The Isaiah 63 reference seems a bit closer than 34.


14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.

18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.

19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.


My own inclination on what transpires here is distrust towards the second participants in the event. The One like unto the Son of Man reaps the earth, in the second instance, the emphasis on the 'clusters of the vine of the earth' and 'her grapes are fully ripe' is comparable to raiding the vineyard. Christ thrust his sickle "on" the earth, the second instance is "into" the earth. Christ gathers the harvest, the second participants are left with the vines, which being worthless compared to the fruit thereof, and throw it into the wrath of God.

Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

That is within the power of the angel which ad power over fire.

I think this was the manifestation of the beast & false prophet referenced in Chapter 13 are flushed out at the end of Chapter 14. They wanted the clusters of the vine, and were a tad slower on the draw.


In any event, I appreciate your response.

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