John Lear is wrong about Christ (much as I like him) :)

Although it seems like the problem w NDEs is that they are "near death" and may not be indicative of actual death... still, the topic fascinates me and there does seem to be truth in them...

this woman had an NDE and met Christ but because she was not a Christian and likely had a bias against the religion because of how it has been used to perpetrate atrocities by non-Christians, when she saw Christ she said: "No, I am not one of yours."

[link to www.youtube.com]

Yet Christ responded that He was one of hers because she was pure of heart...

this is where I have difficulty with Johanna Michealsen: she discredits intention...

it seems very odd that someone biased against Christianity would have a NDE with Christ...

yet, even Christ implies this when He says that He did not come for the just, but for those who needed His example...

this implies some are pure of heart and do not need a dogma to follow...

just as when Christ died on the cross saints were said to have arisen, again, a type of people who had less sin and were acceptable to the frequency of love in the realms of heaven...

the question then becomes: are you one of those people?

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It seems like Christ's example is important because so many do not express love and compassion for their fellow brothers and sisters and resolve into a place of bitterness and cynicism, energetically... or worse, egoic anger and hatred for people... and an inability to forgive others... which really hurts yourself (and probably even the other person in some ways that act like a curse--again harming yourself by purposefully harming another)...

how many times on GLP have we read people post about being unable to love or hating people they know because of something that happened between them?

It is so easy to slip into a place of loveless despair when you break up with someone you think you love... and never find love in your heart again... or resign to a sort of negative place...

it is energetics like these that we need salvation from, as much as from our own pettinesses and sins...

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some seem blessed with a light heart... either by learning it, as John Lear apparently has... or being born with it...

John, notorious for drinking and womanizing, among other sins that have not prioritized the well-being of humanity, if the rumors are true, has reached a new perspective... one that prioritizes love and acceptance...

this likely represents a frequency that may include him in heaven, whether he comes to a belief in Christ or not...

I know their are many Christians who will resent or deny this possibility... I am not one of them... I have not resolved the NDE phenomenon... I simply think we should not rely on them, solely, as a crutch to be careless or unloving in this reality...

John may have his "Christ moment" in the after-life where he comes face to face with Him and denies Him at first, only to realize that they are part of the same heavenly realm...

or John may have issues he has not dealt with that may haunt him in the afterlife..

this brings to mind the purpose for Christ: to ensure that we have access to forgiveness and purity of spirit... humbly asking for forgiveness is a way to ensure this energetic... especially given how many of us seem prone to failings and loveless and/or selfish behavior...

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this topic reminds me of my grandmother...

she was a woman who never seemed to have gotten over my grandfather...

sadly rumors were put into the family from his sisters to undermine his love for her and they broke apart, but not before having my mother...

my memories of my grandmother are one of a woman who hardly ever smiled and who was quite bitter about the turn life had given her... right to the end...


actually, my grandfather on my father's side is quite similar, to the point that we no longer talk... he asked not to see me anymore...

he womanized a lot and divorced my grandmother when he was in his 60s... his parental negligence resulted in my father--an over-achieving loner who similarly shirked parental responsibilities and my uncle, a drug dealer who got busted and still lives at home...

we use to get along, but when I found out accidentally about my uncle he seemed racked with guilt and anger...

so I have seen first-hand two apparent adults in their later stages of life stuck in low vibe bitter places...

and someone can appear fine until the right button is pushed, however accidentally, and then the truth of their life comes out... and who they really are is manifested...

we may all have these places where we are holding resentments or fears... places we have glossed over or forgotten...

Following Christ and his teachings is a way to ensure that we do not carry them with us when we die...

One of the best NDEs I have ever heard--interesting that the atheists have the best ones:

Ian McCormack - NDE - former atheist - near death experience

[link to www.youtube.com]

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Drinking yes......where does the womanizing come from? I have been married for 42 years. Was that before? I was
married only 5 years the first time and that wife left me for Adam West.

So where does the womanizing come from?

Yes, I occasionally try to bring forth the truth about Christ, that he was a myth, as is god and most of the other stories in the bible.

That people see that as 'belittling other peoples beliefs' is their own ignorance. Not mine.

Christ, the myth, was really a good guy, And his teachings worth reading.

But all that stuff about having to ask for everlasting life is pure nonense. Once you have a soul with your name on it,
it is yours forever and ever.

You don't have to go for a swim or put a quarter in the collection bag.

The univerese is infinite so I ask are there people on a planet umpty ump trillion light years away who believe in the story of Christ? How did they find out?






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Hi John,

I usually am pretty thorough with things, but often horrible at sourcing when it does not seem relevant... as is the case with much of your back-story, which I am aware of from your many detractors and supporters on line...

I believe someone was at your house to interview you and the scuttle butt is that you got drunk and made off with some reporter... :)

but I can't tell you where I read that and I was generalizing to make a point... anyone can do their own digging on this... not my purpose...

I am aware that you are a good-natured ad mean the best, but that you also refuse to look at all the facts...

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Facts are:

1) Evolution appears to be silly hog wash. See Professor Walter Veith, former professor of the theory of "evolution" for more on this--he has at least 3 good videos anyone wanting to appear unbiased and intelligent on the topic should review.

2) We have a clear case from numerous testimonies within and outside the ufo/abduction phenomenon who all say there is a supernatural intervention going on here on earth.

3) Many of these people are members of secret societies who claim that Jesus Christ is the way they were able to leave... otherwise, you walk the plank.

4) Shroud of Turin documentaries--BBC and other.

5) Occult influence over all the major institutions--spirit worshippers.

6) Time travelers (Montauk Project) say Christ is real and is the cause of this project's demise.

7) see my list for more...

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This brings me to the next topic I came here to post.

Francis Bacon.

See this vid for more:

Secret Mysteries of Americas Beginnings Volume 1 The New Atlantis.divx

[link to www.youtube.com]

Bacon and his group of writers likely created Shakespeare. The name "Shakespeare" used to be hyphenated: Shake-Speare. This is because Bacon had supernatural voices of Athena and Apollo download to him his mission--the codify the English language and prepare England for expansion to America. Bacon, according to a stamp from that time, was : "The Guiding Spirit of the Colonizing Scheme."

That should interest you John--Apollo moon missions may have been similarly inspired for some greater purpose, real or not.

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Shake-Speare because Athena used to shake her spear at ignorance...

I love this, personally, and would love to side with Bacon, if I did not see the enslaving technocratic microchipping polluting evil force that seems to be at the tip of this speare (sic).

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John, the irony of your refusal to look at both sides of the Christ issue is that this consciousness appears to be priming us for "end times" Bible prophesy I in fact thought was just fantasy "pumpkin fairy" fantasy...

you will likely side with new age and the need to eliminate Christianity... more prophesy...

you might as well go back to denying ufos and abductions...

back to the good old days...

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Ah the word play... I do enjoy the poetry of this reality, whatever its truths...

I noticed the other day that muslims do not like dogs and will run into the street if you walk one near them. if they touch one they must wash their hands 7 times...

as a dog-lover I find this attitude to be unfortunate...

I would liken it to supposed Christians judging people...

personally, I believe, as it seems God does, in Free Will and prefer not to judge...

but facts are facts...

and Apollo seems to be shaking a spear of ignorance at truth and fooling millions into believing truth is in his hand... gee, I wonder why the fake moon missions were named after him?

they are laughing at you John... you and all Christ deniers...

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Don't you think it might be more appropriate to appologize to someone you accused of 'womanizing' (among other 'sins') without any evidence or first hand knowledge of and only to find out the individual has been married for 42 years? It's not your 'purpose' to provide evidence of your unsubstantiated accussations that you are posting on a public forum to tarnish an individual's character?

Also, what qualifies you to speak about the fate of another individual's soul and whether or not that soul will be 'accepted' into 'heaven'? How would you feel if someone made a thread about you and your life and started posting unconfirmed generalizations about your 'sins' and openly questioning whether you would be 'good enough' to go to 'heaven'?

Do you want to know why so many are turned off by religion? Because religion often breeds individuals who are so full of themselves and their being 'saved' that they feel they can play 'God' and start judging & preaching to other individuals about their 'sins' and calling into question the fate of their souls. It's wrong on so many levels. Many teachings attributed to Christ speak out against doing such things, do they not? Have you read them and understood them?

Sorry for being blunt about this but I personally view this type of practice as taboo and morally reprehensible. It does not sit well with me. I hope you will come to your better senses and realize why it is not wise to engage in this type of behavior.

Ad,

Sorry if I offend anyone.

I am not judging John for womanizing or even saying that I am sure he has...

my point is that you can bury your past but that does not mean it is dissolved energetically... we ALL have sins that need forgiveness, whatever from they take.

I have John's best interests at heart and I think, if you have been keeping up with my thread, I try to be as straight and honest as I can be... if I thought John would be offended by this I would not say it.

I am not trying to make John look bad--in this current Godless and satanic society "womanizing" has become a bit of a complement, in fact... it is called "bad boy" behavior I believe...

shall I go into my own womanizing and why I think the need for asking for forgiveness might be important?

I won't and salaciousness is not the point of this thread.

It is about the truth and whether or not Jesus Christ lived and died for humanity.

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And most of my thread is not about John or his personal life...

I like John for the interviews he has given and the knowledge and ideas he has brought to the table...

I am simply saying he has not gone far enough.

He has espoused a position that may in fact unwittingly be harming some people who are being abducted and do not know how to be rid of the problem...

this one one of the chief reasons for starting this thread:

over 400 documented cases of people calling on Jesus Christ to be relieved of this horrible predicament.

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Ad, brother, you are too quick to judge, IMO, much like the people you rail against...

I first want to say that I love you and all of my brothers and sisters here at GLP...

and I am willing to apologize if and when I offend, but I am not willing to lie to myself or others for the sake of bias or hurt feelings.

I think you have doubts worse than anyone and I can only say I will pray for you and I wish you the best.

I put this thread up for truth seekers and researchers. If you can prove me wrong please do. But you might start by looking at both sides and listening to and explaining the people on the list I posted at the beginning.

I am sincerely interested to hear more theories as to what this all could mean, much as I may have reached my own conclusions.

I continue to seek and discover.

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A Christmas Carol (1938)

My how far we have come...

and sadly so. I can actually remember when people really seemed jolly at Christmas and there was a lightness to the air and a sincere belief in God and the promise of the gift of Jesus Christ.

Even when I didn't know what to believe I thought the notion of Christ was cool and worth emulating.

Since 911 the tide has shifted dramatically. I do not think anyone considered this aspect of that event, but it has dampened Christmas to a great degree.

In the above film you can see an example of how Christmas was and yet you also see how commercialism and paganism (spirit worship) was creeping into it. The most obvious sign, aside from the spirits themselves, is the ghost of Christmas past wearing an inverted pentagram.

Still, there is a humanness we have lost as we have been falsely blamed for polluting, warming and destroying the earth and though much of it is true, it is only true in-so-far as we are all to blame for 911.

There is a design to the madness of the modern world, a creeping intent and i t does not seem to have our best interests at heart.

When people like Jordan Maxwell or David "Icke" say we need to wake up they do not have any solutions and if they did it would only lead to more enslavement...

Jesus Christ is the only answer and we will not have peace on earth and utopia of any kind until He returns.

I once believed in modernism--the art, the architecture, the technology... I was one of the first people to have an iphone and I have had the newest most modern this or that since I was a kid playing video games on the main frames at GE where my mother worked...

It is a sell out. A satanic trap and we are already in it.

the technocratic endgame is obvious and if you do not think God exists you may soon wish you did...

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BTW--I like the new avatar John... you look good.

My favorite of you is the one w the aluminum hat...

For all of you John Lear fans: he sells these hats and I hope if you mention this thread he will give you a discount!

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The nature of the supernatural

One thing I did not understand and led me off track for quite a while was the variations the supernatural take.

It's funny, because A Christmas Story puts it right out in our faces: good and bad spirits.

Roger Morneau taught me a lot about this aspect of the supernatural, as did Carolyn Hamlett. Hamlett really blew it open for me because she spoke about the "ascended masters"... this was a real question mark for me.

For quite some time I saw the supernatural as ultimately benevolent, using good and bad to evolve humanity towards a higher consciousness.

This is the trap the elite appear to be in and the bargain many of them seem to make.

If Francis Bacon could be fooled anyone can. And John Dee supposedly suspected he had contacted demonic entities when he first heard them deny Christ, but what's a occultist to do when the demons have turned half the world against your small little country?

This is perplexing to me still: it does not seem fair that we are so easily manipulated and it seems only natural that satanic forces would rule the institutions if they can stack the deck so well...

I am still not convinced that good people don't go to heaven, I am just more convinced that we have failings that might make humility to God and belief in Jesus Christ important, especially given the bias against him.

This bias is in the media, the institutions and the abduction phenomenon itself, where Christianity is the only religion repeatedly spoken against. Such a seductive thing the supernatural has come upon: denial of Christ and we are all just naturally special.

c'monnn.

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Lastly,

John, I realize I mis-spoke by assuming you have a reputation as a womanizer or anything else. This may be just my own bias, based on my own past reputation and assumptions and has nothing to do with you or your status as a maverick son of brilliance.

I am happily married now for 7 years and counting and I wouldn't want anyone to think otherwise (surprisingly, to people who know me: it would also be a false assumption). I was overly enthusiastic, at best.

I am deeply sorry if I offended you or anyone you know.

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John Lear is telling truth.

I am Muse, I have read and watched all of John Lear's work.

The Jesus Myth is a Flavious Titus Ceasar Jewish rouse.

If they had known it would have lasted 2K years, they would have rolled over in their graves.

Do you homework. There is no evidence.

Most important....this and all religions were sanctioned and allowed by our creators.

Each of our own individual jobs is to find out who we are through our actions, deeds, thoughts without doggie treat religious dogmas////

Hi Muse, thank you for dropping by.

doing my homework is exactly the idea of this thread.

As for Joseph Atwill, I have addressed this as an quasi-important issue (it seems over-hyped, like most of the supposed "alternative" crowd: Jordan Maxwell, David "Icke" and other Christ deniers, all of whom I have listened, learned from to and compared to their detractors. This is how I do my homework.)

you might do some homework and read some of Atwill's detractors.

I would say they are not going far enough, based on the ufo phenomenon and much of Sleepers information and the abduction issue... someone or something is intervening here and controlling the major institutions.

John says its aliens, my research is pointing to supernatural demon spirits led by fallen angels and lucifer.

The evidence for a bias against Christ both within the abduction phenomenon and within the satanic culture suggests the latter. It was not a conclusion I came to because I thought I needed a savior. I was at peace with dying and becoming nothing. I just now realize that I was wrong.

If you are interested in truth, at the beginning of this thread and throughout it are links I think might be important to this argument.

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Apollo and Athena - they seem important to the occult.

I wonder if this is the reason all the major continents begin with the letter 'A'?

Some will say "Europe" but this either distinguishes Europe or really, Europe is a part of Asia, as some suggest.

Apollo Moon landings...

Apollo shaking his spear at ignorance... and yet now associated with one of the greatest hoaxes perpetrated upon humanity.

I said they are laughing at Christ deniers, who is "they?"

"they" are demon spirits who come to earth with the guise of helping humanity and empowering those who do their bidding.

"They" give us the technology that is causing us to enslave ourselves.

And "they" are laughing at ALL OF US.

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Maybe because Mark Twain is my favorite writer, but i have thought Francis Bacon was Shakespeare for a long time.

The documentary I posted earlier implies that there was a group of writers over-seen by Bacon. This seems like a shocking revelation.

[link to www.youtube.com]

A group of writers working in secret? Over-seen by Francis Bacon who was inspired by spirits?

Hamlet has a new meaning to me now.

I wonder if Bacon wasn't questioning what he was doing all the while and the betrayal to humanity that this implies?

Reminds me of Kubrick's regret--he is the most likely moon-hoax footage candidate.

Some of our greatest minds, tricked and used up... this is a pattern that upsets me.

Sure I would like to believe that Bacon and Kubrick were working for the ultimate good. Nothing would inspire me more, but it doesn't seem likely.

What seems likely is beautiful deception turning old and haggard in the arms of youthful idealisms...

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"The Guiding Spirit of the Colonizing Scheme."

This is the wording on the stamp with Francis Bacon's image on it.

"Scheme?!" Not Plan or "Promise" or "Hope" or "Dream"

Looks like we are being scammed by schemers...

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The letter 'A' and the continents.

There are really five continents (my theory) with the letter 'A':

Africa, Antarctica, Asia, Australia, & the Americas...

this ties into the five-pointed star: five 'A's around a pentagon... this latter idea comes from the follow-up to the last video I posted:

Riddles in Stone - Secret Mysteries of Americas Beginnings.

[link to www.youtube.com]

another good one on the occult and the supernatural as it relates to America and the world...

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the hardest part of these revelations is the realization of who is involved, wittingly or not...

I love Nicholas Roerich's work... and Shakespeare and the spirit of the Enlightenment...

to see it all as a spiritual test and that these characters we admire are no different than anyone else, just that they happen to be communing with supernatural spirit entities has caused me to question the purpose for art: it appears to be part of the poem of the control mechanism. This is obviously one reason why so much amazing art gets over-looked... in nyc you meet these people more frequently than any place else.

And then you get media slogans, like NPR's National Endowment for the Arts ad: "...which believes that a great nation deserves great art."

What is this slogan saying? Maybe it is saying we know what great art is and if you aren't it you are not part of America's discussion?

What is this discussion: media bias and the poem of media control?

It seems to me that maybe the reason most artists are turned off by the elitism of the arts is because of the pseudo-discussion that is going on within it. Most artists are conflicted: they love the beauty of the lifestyle of the artist but they do not like the reality.

True Protestant Christianity seems to be absent from much of the media, based presumably on the intolerance of it's followers. We know now that satanists and other groups have been infiltrating and undermining Protestantism in order to make it look bad. Worse, to me, is that supposedly sincere Christians themselves appear to be misled into intolerance and hate by this infiltration. There does not appear to be anything that can be done. It would be like expecting honey bees to make maple syrup.

The agenda appears to be to level all religions and mush them into an NWO/UN satanic one...

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Conflict - Christ's return

This brings me to the next odd-seeming paradox: Christians who want the satanic agenda to unfold because if it does not, Christ will not return.

I have read that there are actually supposed Christians who have been duped into this mentality to the extent that they basically work for lucifer...

It is like a bee hive where the drones decide to kill the worker bees because they want the queen to die so they can mate... but it is a suicidal enterprise...

this is another test of this reality and it feels quite odd to realize that this paradox exists and yet there is little anyone can do but live the best life they can and speak the truth when possible.

It seems like the Amish figured this out a long time ago. We do not need technology, nor most media. We need spirituality, the bible and each other. We need harmony and love for each other and for God. That is really it. Everything else will work itself out.

This might be why the 2012 doom or 12/21 enlightenment notion are so popular: it seems impossible to extricate ourselves from the mess we have free willed ourselves into.

Jesus's predictions concerning the end times are like a beekeeper predicting how the bees will over-winter. The bees could fly off and do anything they want, but they usually won't.

for the Divine humanity is likely quite predictable

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To recap:

John Lear seems to be saying that we are so special all we need to do is learn to live with love for those close to us and without envy, hate or greed, and presto, we evolve out of here and travel the stars.

Christ is saying we need to love God and each other and that we will be judged by how we do this.

Immediately, when we consider loving God we can see that this means His creations too. In fact, this is how we will be judged. This implies the environment AND each other.

The satanic elite have set up corporate legal structures that actually make it illegal to do this: so pollution is rampant, whether it be radiation, plastic or chemtrails (which I suspect have a legal reason for being).

John's current take more-or-less seems to deny the existence of chemtrails, even when grid-marks in the sky and soil samples appear to be saying otherwise.

Moreover, John's take, while it would be near the ideal if everyone lived this way, still allows for compartmentalization and the status quo to unfold.

What I am essentially saying would up-end the bible more than anything he is saying, because if everyone lived by Christ's teachings the end-times might look much different than the form they are currently taking.

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