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Obamacare -- A Physician’s New Reality: Patients Ask Me to Break the Law

 
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as a chiropractor, I can tell you not a single person, professional or trade magazine, newletter has responded to what it means for us. I am sure it is the end of our already dwindling profession. Lower and lower insurance reimbursements will pale in comparison to what is coming. Nothing good has ever come from govt regulation of any industry, ours is already on the ropes in so many ways this will just be the ender more than likely.
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Chiroquacktery is already a scam in itself
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No, it isn't. I have been helped countless times by chiropractors. I got into an accident and they put me back together. No pain now. All regular docs could have done is prescribed highly addictive paid meds and my body would have still been broken. I got help at a decent cost with no drugs needed.
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In a Time of Universal Deceit, Telling the Truth is a Revolutionary Act - George Orwell

Rachel Maddow is HOT!!! - Seriously I'd hit it.

A VOTE FOR JUSTIN TRUDEAU IN 2015, WOULD BE THE MOST COWARDLY & IRRESPONSIBLE THING A CANADIAN CITIZEN COULD DO TO THEIR OWN PEOPLE. GUN GRABBERS ARE THE COMMON ENEMY OF ALL PEOPLE.

GUN CONTROL HAS RESULTED IN THE SLAUGHTER OF 262 MILLION CITIZENS BY THEIR GOVERNMENTS OVER THE PAST 100 YEARS.

THE LIBERAL PARTY OF CANADA & THE NDP ENDORSE GUN CONTROL, AN ESSENTIAL POLICY OF HITLER, STALIN, MAO, POL POT, EDI AMIN, QADDAFI, SADDAM, ASSAD, & EVERY OTHER TYRANNICAL GOVERNMENT THIS PAST CENTURY.

CANADIANS MUST NEVER FORGET THE BETRAYAL OF BILLS C-68 & C-17. WE MUST NOT REST UNTIL THEY ARE FULLY REPEALED.

C-19 WAS A GOOD START......BUT JUST A START. GET OFF YOUR COLLECTIVE ASSES AND MAKE AN IMPACT. WE HAVE 26 MONTHS.

I, THEE BOB, SWEAR ON THE ALTER OF GOD TO FIGHT ALL FORMS OF CANADIAN TYRANNY AND SAVE MY COUNTRY FROM THE EVILS OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER. I WILL NEVER HAND IN MY GUNS. EVER. I AM A FREE MAN, I WILL NOT BE THE BITCH OF THE SOCIALIST ESTABLISHMENT. LEAVE ME ALONE.
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simple answer.

lie and present violence as an alternative if your will is not done. if they try to mandate something tell them you WILL hurt them if they do it, then go home, gather your shit fast get a gun and ammo and leave for the woods.

any federal agent who would come after you, any police officer, any military agent is a son of satan and you can do whatever you want to hurt/kill them as long as you survive.

if it gets bad, there will be civil war and you will be a hero

god loves a good liar, and hates a bad one. in a system where the ends justify the means, your moral system must change and fight the dragon tooth and nail.

I always did this with psychologists and ALWAYS WILL.

if they do something I dont want, I will threaten them with death, and if they proceed I will slaughter them in the office. I have no cares for the unjust laws or anyone who would follow unjust law. I only follow just ones, and I believe MY opinion on this has been instructed by the divine. NOBODY will convince me otherwise. even if god came down himself I would debate him because what proof would there be that he is ACTUALLY god and not just an illusion?

in the case things go to far there is only one way to stop me and that is to extinguish the flame of life I was gifted. I reccomend you all get ready for the same fate. The aspect of the state being involved in healthcare is HORRIFIC. it alone IS justification to kill our leaders whether you realize this or not.

BY FORCING PEOPLE TO SAY THINGS AND DIAGNOSE YOU THEY FORCE YOU INTO PARADIGMS YOU CANNOT ESCAPE. THIS WILL BRING THE REALITY OF THE SCHIZOPHRENICS INTO YOUR LIFE TOO!!! STRONG LOVING HELPABLE PEOPLE WILL BE DAMNED.

SO REMEMBER - LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE. this makes your doctor a state computer bent on terminating you, so you have to fill out the questionaire just right.

tell them what you want. practice the lie - act it out. make yourself feel the real emotions when saying the words and say it like a sociopath to them. substantiate as much as you can, and go into logical loops whenever you cant explain away.

give them the positive answers they want in a healthy person. then wait, get together outside the law and band together.

this means you physicians have to risk your licenses and practice illegal outside of the office if you want to help. under threat of death and torture for selling out to the state - I think the punishment of giving up a civilian to a demonic government should be live cannibalism while raw. the horror would be strong enough to fight the laws command.

but LIE PEOPLE!!!!.

they cannot control our souls, they can mark our answers, stand against us in the street, kill us, maim us, make our beliefs illegal, regular our lives even. but they cant control us.

you can lie to them. just as god didnt know where adam was in the garden, big brother wont know your sad if you smile real big and lie to them about everything.

its bad if you follow the lie into blissful oblivion, but its good if you lie to them and then wait until your day comes.
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Cool story bro? damned
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Uh...Er...okay bye.





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As far as I know parent's are not required to ensure their "children" until they are 26, but have that option.
Be careful, with the child on YOUR insurance policy YOU are on the hook for any unpaid portion of their bills. Now you see why they were so generous to add this clause? Most 26 year olds are not earning high figures.

IF they incurred a whooper of a bill could file CH7; and in most cases, the parent's wouldn't qualify...so, I made my (at that time) 20 something buy a catastrophic plan.

It only cost $90 a month, with a $5000 deductible. Sure beats us (the parents) being on the hook for 20% of a whooper bill.

Say $100k bill (easy to get nowadays). Since "adult child" is on OUR policy, and since adult child doesn't have $20k sitting around, guess who would be on the hook to pay it? Our policy, our liability.

Depending on what your insurance coverage is, you may be better off giving your kid $90 a month to buy their OWN policy, leaving your assets (for garnishment/lien for unapid bills) out of the equation.
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Full List of Obamacare Tax Hikes

Obamacare law contains 20 new or higher taxes on American families and small businesses

Taxpayers are reminded that the President’s healthcare law is one of the largest tax increases in American history.

Obamacare contains 20 new or higher taxes on American families and small businesses.

Arranged by their respective effective dates, below is the total list of all $500 billion-plus in tax hikes (over the next ten years) in Obamacare, where to find them in the bill, and how much your taxes are scheduled to go up as of today:


Check it out here:

[link to www.atr.org]
 Quoting: KoFFee_


Note the exceptions:

17. Individual Mandate Excise Tax (Jan 2014): Starting in 2014, anyone not buying “qualifying” health insurance must pay an income surtax according to the higher of the following

Read more: [link to atr.org]
Follow us: @taxreformer on Twitter

This is about the healthcare I think.........

1 Adult
2 Adults
3+ Adults
2014
1% AGI/$95
1% AGI/$190
1% AGI/$285
2015
2% AGI/$325
2% AGI/$650
2% AGI/$975
2016 +
2.5% AGI/$695
2.5% AGI/$1390
2.5% AGI/$2085

Exemptions for religious objectors, undocumented immigrants, prisoners, those earning less than the poverty line, members of Indian tribes, and hardship cases (determined by HHS).


Guess it's time to get religious again! lol
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Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God.

If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government

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I am a fam doc in my mid 50's. Too to retire really.
But I did just talk to my office manager about going cash only...

I don't do electronic records because its just another way to steal everyone's personal info.


So many people wanted Obamacare....now you get to wallow in it...hope you enjoy it
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Hi Doc, to be fair, I don't think the Obamacare that he finally had to settle for and sign off on was anywhere near what he (and going back to the Clinton's) originally wanted. The original deal was to get the MIDDLEMAN the insurance industry out of the equation, not the malpractice end (although that needs overhaul too due to attorneys raping the system from their end) just the bureaucrats that said they needed to come between you and your patient in order for you to get paid, which in the old days was called highway robbery.

All through this recession the health insurance industry has wracked up record profits in the billions. Some of Obamacare is set up to insure that the insurance industry can no longer hoard billions and billions of dollars in profit. It is but one modest step toward some kind of half-assed better way in my humble opinion. I'm also in the health-care field.
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In a Time of Universal Deceit, Telling the Truth is a Revolutionary Act - George Orwell

Rachel Maddow is HOT!!! - Seriously I'd hit it.

A VOTE FOR JUSTIN TRUDEAU IN 2015, WOULD BE THE MOST COWARDLY & IRRESPONSIBLE THING A CANADIAN CITIZEN COULD DO TO THEIR OWN PEOPLE. GUN GRABBERS ARE THE COMMON ENEMY OF ALL PEOPLE.

GUN CONTROL HAS RESULTED IN THE SLAUGHTER OF 262 MILLION CITIZENS BY THEIR GOVERNMENTS OVER THE PAST 100 YEARS.

THE LIBERAL PARTY OF CANADA & THE NDP ENDORSE GUN CONTROL, AN ESSENTIAL POLICY OF HITLER, STALIN, MAO, POL POT, EDI AMIN, QADDAFI, SADDAM, ASSAD, & EVERY OTHER TYRANNICAL GOVERNMENT THIS PAST CENTURY.

CANADIANS MUST NEVER FORGET THE BETRAYAL OF BILLS C-68 & C-17. WE MUST NOT REST UNTIL THEY ARE FULLY REPEALED.

C-19 WAS A GOOD START......BUT JUST A START. GET OFF YOUR COLLECTIVE ASSES AND MAKE AN IMPACT. WE HAVE 26 MONTHS.

I, THEE BOB, SWEAR ON THE ALTER OF GOD TO FIGHT ALL FORMS OF CANADIAN TYRANNY AND SAVE MY COUNTRY FROM THE EVILS OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER. I WILL NEVER HAND IN MY GUNS. EVER. I AM A FREE MAN, I WILL NOT BE THE BITCH OF THE SOCIALIST ESTABLISHMENT. LEAVE ME ALONE.
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Well God didnt call Obama the Abomination of desolation for nothing... this is just the beginning
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"However, I am now mandated by the government to talk to you about your weight, exercise, family life, smoking, sexual abuse(!)"

As a doctor you should ask your patients about their weight and exercise. How in the world is that a bad thing??? I don't get it
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I want a clear answer as to whether or not we get fined if we refuse to purchase insurance.

I'm confused from articles I've read because some say yes and some say no.

Is it true that ObamaCare forces people to buy health insurance?


This is straight from the law itself, under section 5000a, page 131:

‘‘(2) SPECIAL RULES.—Notwithstanding any other provision of law—
‘‘(A) WAIVER OF CRIMINAL PENALTIES.—In the case of any failure by a taxpayer to timely pay any penalty imposed by this section, such taxpayer shall not be subject to any criminal prosecution or penalty with respect to such failure.
‘‘(B) LIMITATIONS ON LIENS AND LEVIES.—The Secretary shall not—
‘‘(i) file notice of lien with respect to any property of a taxpayer by reason of any failure to pay the penalty imposed by this section, or
‘‘(ii) levy on any such property with respect to such failure.’’.

It's all there in black and white. Failure to pay the penalty for not acquiring health insurance will not subject you to any criminal penalties or jail time, and the Secretary of HHS cannot enforce the penalty with a lien or levy on your property. I'm looking forward to seeing what happens when people use this provision to get out of paying the penalty.


Read more here:

[link to answers.yahoo.com]

Am I forced to buy health insurance?

Yes, you will be mandated to buy health insurance... if you don't buy it, your will be fined, if you don't pay the fine, the IRS , and yes, the IRS is the enforcement agency for this mandate, will garnish your wages, seize assets, etc.etc....

Read more here:

[link to answers.yahoo.com]
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I wanna know if these annual "checkups" are mandatory........
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I've wondered about that, too. I tried looking up info before and couldn't find anything.

Does anybody know?
 Quoting: KoFFee_


I found this but I'm not sure how accurate it is..I don't see any citations. The author seems legit though.

Obama’s ‘You’ve had a good life now drop dead’ plan:
Preventive medicine


(snip)

Mandatory regular physicals

Mandatory universal health care that emphasizes preventive medicine require mandatory physicals that are at least annual or more often for persons with certain risk factors. If you do not attend your scheduled physicals, a warrant will be issued for your arrest.


Mandatory tests

Similarly, according to your age and other risk factors, you will be required to get the tests recommended by the medical profession including sigmoidoscopies and breast exams. If you do not appear for your scheduled tests, a warrant will be issued for your arrest.

Mandatory vaccinations

Ditto. You will get your flu shots, DPT, etc. No exceptions. These shots will kill some of you but not getting them will kill more of you. You’ve had a good life.

Hazardous activities and places

All hazardous activities will be outlawed, like riding motorcycles. All places frequented by humans like homes, workplaces, and public areas will be inspected periodically for safety hazards. If you have a safety hazard and do not correct it promptly, a warrant will be issued for your arrest.

more at: [link to www.johntreed.com]

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"However, I am now mandated by the government to talk to you about your weight, exercise, family life, smoking, sexual abuse(!)"

As a doctor you should ask your patients about their weight and exercise. How in the world is that a bad thing??? I don't get it
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In a Time of Universal Deceit, Telling the Truth is a Revolutionary Act - George Orwell

Rachel Maddow is HOT!!! - Seriously I'd hit it.

A VOTE FOR JUSTIN TRUDEAU IN 2015, WOULD BE THE MOST COWARDLY & IRRESPONSIBLE THING A CANADIAN CITIZEN COULD DO TO THEIR OWN PEOPLE. GUN GRABBERS ARE THE COMMON ENEMY OF ALL PEOPLE.

GUN CONTROL HAS RESULTED IN THE SLAUGHTER OF 262 MILLION CITIZENS BY THEIR GOVERNMENTS OVER THE PAST 100 YEARS.

THE LIBERAL PARTY OF CANADA & THE NDP ENDORSE GUN CONTROL, AN ESSENTIAL POLICY OF HITLER, STALIN, MAO, POL POT, EDI AMIN, QADDAFI, SADDAM, ASSAD, & EVERY OTHER TYRANNICAL GOVERNMENT THIS PAST CENTURY.

CANADIANS MUST NEVER FORGET THE BETRAYAL OF BILLS C-68 & C-17. WE MUST NOT REST UNTIL THEY ARE FULLY REPEALED.

C-19 WAS A GOOD START......BUT JUST A START. GET OFF YOUR COLLECTIVE ASSES AND MAKE AN IMPACT. WE HAVE 26 MONTHS.

I, THEE BOB, SWEAR ON THE ALTER OF GOD TO FIGHT ALL FORMS OF CANADIAN TYRANNY AND SAVE MY COUNTRY FROM THE EVILS OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER. I WILL NEVER HAND IN MY GUNS. EVER. I AM A FREE MAN, I WILL NOT BE THE BITCH OF THE SOCIALIST ESTABLISHMENT. LEAVE ME ALONE.
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Physicians like lawyers and teachers are scumbags .
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I have concluded that this legislation really has no intention of providing affordable health care choices. Instead it is a convenient cover for the most massive transfer of power to the Executive Branch of government that has ever occurred...

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you got the first part right. the second part: it is really a convenient cover for the most massive transfer of money and power to the insurance industry and big pharma.
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[Mandatory tests

Similarly, according to your age and other risk factors, you will be required to get the tests recommended by the medical profession including sigmoidoscopies and breast exams. If you do not appear for your scheduled tests, a warrant will be issued for your arrest.

[more at: [link to www.johntreed.com]
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We could all easily afford the yearly sur tax for a few years, why play ball until you have to ? I'll willingly give them $95.00 the first year just to screw them and I'm pretty sure I can hold out to 2016 too...or longer. In an emergency, you're going to get medical care regardless, so make everything an emergency.
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You may just want to have a pap smear or check your cholesterol. However, I am now mandated by the government to talk to you about your weight, exercise, family life, smoking, sexual abuse(!), and even to ask if you wear seat belts. And I am mandated to record your answers.
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Learn to take your medicine like good little chattel.
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It's outside of my control so I just don't give a fuck. In a century give or take a decade this country won't even exist. Fuck it I'm gonna have fun while I can.
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I'm rich, so it really doesn't matter to me. I get everything I need, no matter WHO is president. Its fun to watch you ants fight over a candy bar melting in the hot sun, though.
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I'm rich, so it really doesn't matter to me. I get everything I need, no matter WHO is president. Its fun to watch you ants fight over a candy bar melting in the hot sun, though.
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[Mandatory tests

Similarly, according to your age and other risk factors, you will be required to get the tests recommended by the medical profession including sigmoidoscopies and breast exams. If you do not appear for your scheduled tests, a warrant will be issued for your arrest.

[more at: [link to www.johntreed.com]
 Quoting: RTS REDUX



 Quoting: zenobiaphobia


I think that might be a hypothetical article?

he didn't specifically cite anything so I'm not sure how accurate it is.

I googled 'obamacare preventive medicine' and so far the results I've found are inconclusive.

I wouldn't be surprised if he isn't far from the truth though.
"If one understands that socialism is not a share-the-wealth programme, but is in reality a method to consolidate and control the wealth, then the seeming paradox of super-rich men promoting socialism becomes no paradox at all. Instead, it becomes logical, even the perfect tool of power-seeking megalomaniacs.

Communism or more accurately, socialism, is not a movement of the downtrodden masses, but of the economic elite."

Gary Allen

NONE DARE CALL IT CONSPIRACY
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As far as I know parent's are not required to ensure their "children" until they are 26, but have that option.
Be careful, with the child on YOUR insurance policy YOU are on the hook for any unpaid portion of their bills. Now you see why they were so generous to add this clause? Most 26 year olds are not earning high figures.

IF they incurred a whooper of a bill could file CH7; and in most cases, the parent's wouldn't qualify...so, I made my (at that time) 20 something buy a catastrophic plan.

It only cost $90 a month, with a $5000 deductible. Sure beats us (the parents) being on the hook for 20% of a whooper bill.

Say $100k bill (easy to get nowadays). Since "adult child" is on OUR policy, and since adult child doesn't have $20k sitting around, guess who would be on the hook to pay it? Our policy, our liability.

Depending on what your insurance coverage is, you may be better off giving your kid $90 a month to buy their OWN policy, leaving your assets (for garnishment/lien for unapid bills) out of the equation.
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You are completely incorrect about that.

My sons mother tried to pull that on me, and I successfully defended myself against all of the debt collectors.

I did not sign for jack shit so they had no way to collect.
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I would like to hear more personal stories from medical personnel and professionals, because I have no idea what we are in for.

I have a hard time wrapping my head around it.

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Well I'm neither but can tell you in the end we're all effed, I'm the last one born of 12 and many of my older siblings are already in the crosshairs. Our parents are both 87 and still in okay shape for their age but are both on medicare and will most likely lose their coverage and basically be left untreated then once they end up in the hospital.....it's game over. This is what awaits us all, in the UK right now they euthanize 360 daily.
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I'm rich, so it really doesn't matter to me. I get everything I need, no matter WHO is president. Its fun to watch you ants fight over a candy bar melting in the hot sun, though.
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You're one I would gladly put the drip in for........
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I am a fam doc in my mid 50's. Too to retire really.
But I did just talk to my office manager about going cash only...

I don't do electronic records because its just another way to steal everyone's personal info.


So many people wanted Obamacare....now you get to wallow in it...hope you enjoy it
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A lot of us are on this train that don't get to pull the whistle. But the idiots are going to have their way.
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Learn to take care of your own health now, so you won't need the government to do that later.
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I have always taken care of myself, but at the age of 38, I have Lupus and COPD...(asbestos and second hand smoke related)

My children and I are currently on Medicaid...I need a lot of meds during the month because I get sick at the drop of a hat...so am I just going to be left for dead? I can't work because I'm too ill most of the time and have even gotten fired from jobs for taking too many sick days)

What's going to happen to me?
What's going to happen to others like me?
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Agenda 21, look it up.
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This law was a power grab benefiting mainly the insurance industry. Pure and simple.
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I have always taken care of myself, but at the age of 38, I have Lupus and COPD...(asbestos and second hand smoke related)

My children and I are currently on Medicaid...I need a lot of meds during the month because I get sick at the drop of a hat...so am I just going to be left for dead? I can't work because I'm too ill most of the time and have even gotten fired from jobs for taking too many sick days)

What's going to happen to me?
What's going to happen to others like me?
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Read up here on Action T4.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

When someone is trying to push abortion on people and cite an example like, "What if the baby is blind, physically and mentally retarded and will die in a few days?"

Those people have never read up on Action T4, because that is how it started. A woman wrote Hitler asking for a mercy killing of her child who was blind and mentally/physically retarded. Hitler thought it was a good idea, and decided to perform this 'operation' on others who requested it. Soon, people stopped requesting it, and that is when the government started mandating it. They expanded from babies to mentally ill adults.

If you ever wondered how the Nazis became so efficient at genocide, the answer is because they spent over a decade perfecting it on their own citizens.

But to answer your question, any sick person will be seen as cost, and cost must be eliminated. This was the mentality of the T4 program. If you click the link, you'll see a poster of a mentally ill man with this tagline...

This poster (from around 1938) reads: "60,000 Reichsmarks is what this person suffering from a hereditary defect costs the People's community during his lifetime. Fellow citizen, that is your money too. Read '[A] New People', the monthly magazine of the Bureau for Race Politics of the NSDAP."

If I were you, I'd be looking into natural treatments and diets to help you. Good health starts with good nutrition. Supplements should be used in addition to good diets - not in place of them. Your goal is to get healthy enough to get 'care' if you want it. There will be a cut off line though. There always is one. There's a reason why they call it health care instead of health cures.
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What happens to her income if she cant see a doctor?
You draw disability based on your medical problems and required treatment from your doctor.Even if she manages to get herself better wont she lose her income if she isnt under a doctors care even if she cant work.
Seems to me as if its just going to be coming at people in more ways than one.
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80% of all medicare costs are spent in the last 2 years of life. So, if the gov't can have people die 2 years sooner they save 80% of costs. That's a statistical fact and undeniable. It is certainly unethical and politically unacceptable to tell folks to die 2 years earlier. BUT, you can create a bureaucratic morass which effectively does the same thing. And now it is so.
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80% of all medicare costs are spent in the last 2 years of life. So, if the gov't can have people die 2 years sooner they save 80% of costs. That's a statistical fact and undeniable. It is certainly unethical and politically unacceptable to tell folks to die 2 years earlier. BUT, you can create a bureaucratic morass which effectively does the same thing. And now it is so.
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Google what is happening in the UK for a precursor for what it will be very soon here.....anybody that goes to the hospital over the age of 60 is pushing their luck and rolling the dice.
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as a chiropractor, I can tell you not a single person, professional or trade magazine, newletter has responded to what it means for us. I am sure it is the end of our already dwindling profession. Lower and lower insurance reimbursements will pale in comparison to what is coming. Nothing good has ever come from govt regulation of any industry, ours is already on the ropes in so many ways this will just be the ender more than likely.
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Chiroquacktery is already a scam in itself
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You must not have ever been to a good one if you think that.
They can help so much with aches and pains,etc without meds.My cousin is totally free of migraines since seeing one.Nothing else ever helped her.

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