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To prep or not to prep that is the question?

 
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To prep or not to prep that is the question?
With all that's going on in global news and local news, from exploding factories and historic storms battering our shores and coastal regions. With civil unrest and protestors lashing out amd then the conflicts cUsimg death and destruction through out the middle east amd constant riots of the European nations I pose this question to you.
Do you prep or not? Are you of the few that have a plan or of the many that would need and feed on what you have?
What's a bit of your plan?
The reason behind the line of questioning is to refine the responses to build the strength in numbers that would be essential to redeveloping society. So let's start an active national plan for separate scenarios. Ones with plausibility and rationality that can be adhered to. Who knows it might just be a group like this to make it through whatever is in store.
VLR!!
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Wiith all the increased global seismic activityAnd Knowing the scientific theories regarding the reversaL oF the earths polesand what that would mean for everyone. The possibilities for a complete meltdown of civilized life. Personally I have a route mapped out to several locations to relocate to after and in fact during the poteNtial tatonic plates shift. In prep of course physical fitness endurance And geological research of global terrain. Also research on the refining of ores for smelting purposes for current and future bartering. Are just few of my peeps I suggest for any prepper that iS looking to survive the impending "doom" to come.
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Do you prep now? I think everyone does, they just don't call it that.

Do you attempt to frugally purchase items when they are on sale? If there's inflation, and the value of your currency declines, and the cost of items increase, and the portion sizes get smaller and smaller, then is it not wisdom to buy things to store as long as you rotate? That's prepping.

Do you have certain skills that make your life easier? Do you know enough about them that you teach them to your children or family or friends? That's prepping.

Do you raise your own food either by growing crops or raising animals? That's prepping.

Do you hunt, trap, or fish to put food on the table. That's prepping.

Do you have ranged weapons to defend yourself? Have you taken lessons? Can you clean them? Have you taken hand-to-hand offense/defensive training? Do you continue to practice? That's prepping.

Are you at home in the woods and meadows? Can you collect plants that you need or water? Do you know the names of the trees and their uses? Can you find many herbs to heal in the meadows? That's prepping.

Preparedness is easy to do in various stages. The more you know, the more you amass wealth as defined as an abundance of supplies, property, or marketable skills.

Do practical things to enhance your life in order to live abundantly, not fearfully. Then when disaster strikes (loss of employment, separation, divorce, hurricane, earthquake, thunderstorm, drought, flooding, tornado, death of a spouse, illness, etc) then you can cope easier. Those items of wealth as listed above will help sustain you. Spiritual beliefs will too. So will learning, wisdom, and critical thinking.

The other kinds of disasters are lengthy continuations of disastrous events like conflict, riots, severe racism, disease, contagion. This is what I call “SHTF” events.

When things get worse, then we have events like plague, war, an EMP event, a severe nuclear leak like Fukushima, the Great Depression, the mini-Ice Age in medieval times, the Black Death, that could cause a “societal collapse”.

Worse things could happen where multifactorial events. This can leave to TEOTWAWKI. An EMP could potentially do that for a long time. So could nuclear war. So could severe pole shift. So could a change in global temperature and flooding.

What's most likely? A disaster is of course. Focusing on these very likely events is way easier to prepare for. Luckily for us, knowing skills, having supplies, and see will mean an ability to adapt.

A good can-do attitude, calmness, listening, teaching, leadership, being able to follow, these are some of the best skills and coping strategies.

The way our ancestors coped on a day-to-day basis was by living in communities of like-minded people. They didn't "prep" they lived frugally and practically. Most people today cannot live by themselves because they have less skills than a caveman. They have devolved.
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Do you prep now? I think everyone does, they just don't call it that.

Do you attempt to frugally purchase items when they are on sale? If there's inflation, and the value of your currency declines, and the cost of items increase, and the portion sizes get smaller and smaller, then is it not wisdom to buy things to store as long as you rotate? That's prepping.

Do you have certain skills that make your life easier? Do you know enough about them that you teach them to your children or family or friends? That's prepping.

Do you raise your own food either by growing crops or raising animals? That's prepping.

Do you hunt, trap, or fish to put food on the table. That's prepping.

Do you have ranged weapons to defend yourself? Have you taken lessons? Can you clean them? Have you taken hand-to-hand offense/defensive training? Do you continue to practice? That's prepping.

Are you at home in the woods and meadows? Can you collect plants that you need or water? Do you know the names of the trees and their uses? Can you find many herbs to heal in the meadows? That's prepping.

Preparedness is easy to do in various stages. The more you know, the more you amass wealth as defined as an abundance of supplies, property, or marketable skills.

Do practical things to enhance your life in order to live abundantly, not fearfully. Then when disaster strikes (loss of employment, separation, divorce, hurricane, earthquake, thunderstorm, drought, flooding, tornado, death of a spouse, illness, etc) then you can cope easier. Those items of wealth as listed above will help sustain you. Spiritual beliefs will too. So will learning, wisdom, and critical thinking.

The other kinds of disasters are lengthy continuations of disastrous events like conflict, riots, severe racism, disease, contagion. This is what I call “SHTF” events.

When things get worse, then we have events like plague, war, an EMP event, a severe nuclear leak like Fukushima, the Great Depression, the mini-Ice Age in medieval times, the Black Death, that could cause a “societal collapse”.

Worse things could happen where multifactorial events. This can leave to TEOTWAWKI. An EMP could potentially do that for a long time. So could nuclear war. So could severe pole shift. So could a change in global temperature and flooding.

What's most likely? A disaster is of course. Focusing on these very likely events is way easier to prepare for. Luckily for us, knowing skills, having supplies, and see will mean an ability to adapt.

A good can-do attitude, calmness, listening, teaching, leadership, being able to follow, these are some of the best skills and coping strategies.

The way our ancestors coped on a day-to-day basis was by living in communities of like-minded people. They didn't "prep" they lived frugally and practically. Most people today cannot live by themselves because they have less skills than a caveman. They have devolved.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1110734


Good points. In this day and age to not be prepared is being delusional.
Being physically prepared is one aspect but many of the gym buffs would suffer most due to thecosmetic nature of their attempts for physical fitness. Being prepared is a mental state of mind that dictates physical preparedness as well. And yes learning more about agriculture building and electricity and how to develop them is essential to a prolonged survival rate or even better stated to live through any disasterinstead of just surviving as there is A big difference between the two phsycoligically and physiology ( mentally and physically).
So to the preppers out there how are you going to go on living
VLR!!
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There's a scene in "Fight Club" a film from 1999, and the two main guys pass an advertisement that features a male model in Calvin Klein underwear. They look at each other and say, "Is that what a man looks like?"

My response to your question about coping strategies is to read this:
Thread: Last minute tips for parents when the SHTF (Page 28)
there's about 800 long deliberate passages on ways to cope.
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What I did. Not included on the list is the solar and wind generator along with a year supply of food in food grade containers for long term storage. We also have one of those hand-held short-wave radios for when communications are down.

Basic essentials dealing with power outages
Thread: When the lights go out

20lb bags of rice, beans (variety), sugar, flour, oatmeal, powder milk, etc kept stored in sealed lock dog food plastic containers. Tea and coffee.

Canned soup, pasta, meat (fish, chicken, beef, pork), dehydrated soups, ramen, vegetables and fruit.

Peanut butter, jelly (assorted) and pancake mix (to make sandwiches with). It's easy to make syrup out of equal parts boiling water and brown sugar.

Also be sure to have TP, bleach, baking soda for cleaning (including toothpaste) and dry food for pets.

Grow herbs (rosemary, thyme, chives, etc.) on kitchen counter in small pots. Lettuce and spinach can be grown using indoor containers and sunny window.

I saw where one person had everything stored under the bed in an apartment along with water. The platform bed is raised and the 5 gallon containers formed the sides, bottle water and essentials stored in the center. Bedskirt hides the containers. A sheet of plywood could rest on the top of the containers but a raised platform bed works best for this type of storage system.

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Were you ever a boyscout, OP?

What's their motto?
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Here's a food calculator to show estimates of what you and your family would need for one year. These are basics only.



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Is anybody at all prepping to share their last food with a stranger, you will both die but at least you won't be alone.
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anyone who doesnt prep is an idiot.
if you buy a bunch of stuff and dont have to use it big deal.
if SHTF and you dont have anything your in trouble.

i wonder if christians are prepping.
that would be funny if jesus doesnt come back and its total NWO>
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Is anybody at all prepping to share their last food with a stranger, you will both die but at least you won't be alone.
 Quoting: MHz


id rather be alone.

if i had 15,000 canned foods.

i could

A) feed 5,000 people 3 cans for 1 day

or

B) eat for 5,000 days. and say fuck off to all the sheep that have called me crazy for years
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Well, I have another question:

If we are prepping for shtf, what exactly type of Shit are we prepping for?!?! I know, dumb question! We are trying to prep for ANY type of scenario, but here's my issue with that....some types of disaster scenarios require sequestration (isolationism), staying "underground" and away from toxic elements (plague or germ warfare)for a short term. Other types of disasters are going to require a different type of preparation (EMP, Nuclear attack)and/or a longer time spent in isolation/away from others or away from a "hot" zone.

Does this makes sense?

I guess I'm saying, "Yes, I am prepping, but I'm having a hard time believing I will need to prep for a YEAR!" I just think if it's THAT bad, I DOUBT most of us could survive a year, unless one lives in a very remote place, and most of us don't. If you live in a city, and try to stay OFF the radar - I DOUBT seriously that anyone can stay OFF the radar for a year, unless they are ALREADY off the radar......
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Why prep buying craploads of food and supplies just so that O can impose his bill when he wants too and send his minions to your door to take it all...They are going to see to it you starve to death anyway so why bother loading up so they can take it away. Spend the money you have now and make memories with your family.
Ask yourself this. Why would one of the most recent bills paased include that they can confiscate your food, water, vehicles, homes, cash, ect ect...if they didnt have an agenda in mind. They arent getting
crapoff me!! They get enough. Come rapture time Im outtaaaaa here so I have no need to hoard. All my treasures are laid up in heaven where they cannot rust!
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Read some of the items on this site for truly hardcore preppers.

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There's a scene in "Fight Club" a film from 1999, and the two main guys pass an advertisement that features a male model in Calvin Klein underwear. They look at each other and say, "Is that what a man looks like?"

My response to your question about coping strategies is to read this:
Thread: Last minute tips for parents when the SHTF (Page 28)
there's about 800 long deliberate passages on ways to cope.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1110734


Interesting film "fight club" also depicts the destruction of the world trade center but who cares about that outdated shot anyway .... Whomever did what they did got away with it and had a perfect patsy in place...
As for the prepping what are your personal views or are you just hoping to run into a group with a plan
VLR!!
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What I did. Not included on the list is the solar and wind generator along with a year supply of food in food grade containers for long term storage. We also have one of those hand-held short-wave radios for when communications are down.

Basic essentials dealing with power outages
Thread: When the lights go out

20lb bags of rice, beans (variety), sugar, flour, oatmeal, powder milk, etc kept stored in sealed lock dog food plastic containers. Tea and coffee.

Canned soup, pasta, meat (fish, chicken, beef, pork), dehydrated soups, ramen, vegetables and fruit.

Peanut butter, jelly (assorted) and pancake mix (to make sandwiches with). It's easy to make syrup out of equal parts boiling water and brown sugar.

Also be sure to have TP, bleach, baking soda for cleaning (including toothpaste) and dry food for pets.

Grow herbs (rosemary, thyme, chives, etc.) on kitchen counter in small pots. Lettuce and spinach can be grown using indoor containers and sunny window.

I saw where one person had everything stored under the bed in an apartment along with water. The platform bed is raised and the 5 gallon containers formed the sides, bottle water and essentials stored in the center. Bedskirt hides the containers. A sheet of plywood could rest on the top of the containers but a raised platform bed works best for this type of storage system.
 Quoting: Alexander


Ive seen that program ... Under the bed not my first choice but to each his own.
I've also been studying solar electric options as well as wind poplars and even hydro electric ... Fact is it's easier than we think to re-establish civilization . The hard part would be the ones with the knowledge making it through. And thus the purpose of the thread ... A centralized meeting point set for the north west and south . For the purpose of the establishment of a civilization.
VLR!!
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Were you ever a boyscout, OP?

What's their motto?
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My point exactly... And you never be to prepared for a disaster
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Here's a food calculator to show estimates of what you and your family would need for one year. These are basics only.



[link to lds.about.com]
 Quoting: Ralph--a house dog


Good .,, it's tech like that that would allow you to budget your rations for you're party
VLR!!
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anyone who doesnt prep is an idiot.
if you buy a bunch of stuff and dont have to use it big deal.
if SHTF and you dont have anything your in trouble.

i wonder if christians are prepping.
that would be funny if jesus doesnt come back and its total NWO>
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1834146



Lol Christians are a joke ... They don't actually believe any of what is in their book ... But faith in general is a good thing.
But of course prep now or die crying and hungry
VLR!!
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Is anybody at all prepping to share their last food with a stranger, you will both die but at least you won't be alone.
 Quoting: MHz


id rather be alone.

if i had 15,000 canned foods.

i could

A) feed 5,000 people 3 cans for 1 day

or

B) eat for 5,000 days. and say fuck off to all the sheep that have called me crazy for years
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1834146


True that or
C: find a hottie counter part and squeeze out 3000 days of erotic bliss
VLR!!
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Data mine post....
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Re: To prep or not to prep that is the question?
Well, I have another question:

If we are prepping for shtf, what exactly type of Shit are we prepping for?!?! I know, dumb question! We are trying to prep for ANY type of scenario, but here's my issue with that....some types of disaster scenarios require sequestration (isolationism), staying "underground" and away from toxic elements (plague or germ warfare)for a short term. Other types of disasters are going to require a different type of preparation (EMP, Nuclear attack)and/or a longer time spent in isolation/away from others or away from a "hot" zone.

Does this makes sense?

I guess I'm saying, "Yes, I am prepping, but I'm having a hard time believing I will need to prep for a YEAR!" I just think if it's THAT bad, I DOUBT most of us could survive a year, unless one lives in a very remote place, and most of us don't. If you live in a city, and try to stay OFF the radar - I DOUBT seriously that anyone can stay OFF the radar for a year, unless they are ALREADY off the radar......
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25676821


Excellent point being that there are a number of various plausible possibilities, solitude would be the option ( for your survival party) to minimize any interaction with the have nots or infected.
Pending scenario of disater there is the inevitable sick, and with medical shortages it would be essential to limit any contact with "outsiders"
Again why there should be a national bug out plan per region for the prepared all else .... Had their opportunity and wasted it
VLR!!
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Why prep buying craploads of food and supplies just so that O can impose his bill when he wants too and send his minions to your door to take it all...They are going to see to it you starve to death anyway so why bother loading up so they can take it away. Spend the money you have now and make memories with your family.
Ask yourself this. Why would one of the most recent bills paased include that they can confiscate your food, water, vehicles, homes, cash, ect ect...if they didnt have an agenda in mind. They arent getting
crapoff me!! They get enough. Come rapture time Im outtaaaaa here so I have no need to hoard. All my treasures are laid up in heaven where they cannot rust!
 Quoting: Little Miss Sunshine


Oh you poor feeble minded fool... You take the sciptures literally only when it suits your purpose. And fro the sounds of it you're also a bigot so your right about one thing you should prep ... It's creative like you and your closed minded way if thinking that need be washed clean from the planet with all their nullshit and lies...
Any other realistic plausible answers ... Post or shut your ignorantance it's been prophated ti it's death ... Think about you don't even believe inthe bible unless it suits your needs so fuck off and don't prep and definitely tell thepeople you're with not to ... The world would be a better place without you close minded fools
VLR!!
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What I did. Not included on the list is the solar and wind generator along with a year supply of food in food grade containers for long term storage. We also have one of those hand-held short-wave radios for when communications are down.

Basic essentials dealing with power outages
Thread: When the lights go out

20lb bags of rice, beans (variety), sugar, flour, oatmeal, powder milk, etc kept stored in sealed lock dog food plastic containers. Tea and coffee.

Canned soup, pasta, meat (fish, chicken, beef, pork), dehydrated soups, ramen, vegetables and fruit.

Peanut butter, jelly (assorted) and pancake mix (to make sandwiches with). It's easy to make syrup out of equal parts boiling water and brown sugar.

Also be sure to have TP, bleach, baking soda for cleaning (including toothpaste) and dry food for pets.

Grow herbs (rosemary, thyme, chives, etc.) on kitchen counter in small pots. Lettuce and spinach can be grown using indoor containers and sunny window.

I saw where one person had everything stored under the bed in an apartment along with water. The platform bed is raised and the 5 gallon containers formed the sides, bottle water and essentials stored in the center. Bedskirt hides the containers. A sheet of plywood could rest on the top of the containers but a raised platform bed works best for this type of storage system.
 Quoting: Alexander

Anyone Planning in sheltering in place in a city, consider the Black Friday Mobs!
They are not even desperate for supplies, and look how the act, attacking each other.

Think what they will do to you when they SMELL, that is right SMELL, you cooking food and they are starving.

Just think how far you can smell a backyard BBQ or a hamburger joint.

This is not the only reason not to be there, but a good one.
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Is anybody at all prepping to share their last food with a stranger, you will both die but at least you won't be alone.
 Quoting: MHz


id rather be alone.

if i had 15,000 canned foods.

i could

A) feed 5,000 people 3 cans for 1 day

or

B) eat for 5,000 days. and say fuck off to all the sheep that have called me crazy for years
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1834146

That is an alternative, any person ever rescued from the bush has always been mighty glad to be found. The only one I know that say they could handle being alone are ones that have never been (that) alone. That being said I'm 1 hour away from and 800sq mi area that has one small Indian settlement on it,

With your goodies you could hide in the middle of a city and by the time you ran out everybody would have died or just left.
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Prepare for the worst, and pray for the best.
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If you still live in an environment where you can see your neighbor, - then you aren't preparing to survive the situation that's on our doorstep.

Economic collapse is no 'doomer' fantasy. It's dead ahead. The can has been kicked too far down the road. There is no fiscal solution to the imminent global bankruptcy.

FFS. Wake up.

It may happen next week, next month or, maybe in six months. But, it WILL happen, - and so many people are unprepared that it's scary.

PREPARE. Don't expect others to take up YOUR slack.

Water. Food. Fuel/Heat/Shelter. Medicine. Security.

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no doom means no prepping! you people are a bunch of loons hoarding guns and food.
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no doom means no prepping! you people are a bunch of loons hoarding guns and food.
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And - you're an idiot.

No doom? How doomy does it have to get to make you understand the fragility of the 'just-in-time' delivery system that operates in the western world?

Google 'hurricane Katrina' and 'hurricane Sandy'.

Then come back with an intelligent comment, - if you can.
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It always amazes me how delusional some people are. Not a clue or clueless as to what its going to be like after a Pole Shift cause thats whats coming.

Better just to worry about survival for the first couple of years. Water. Shelter and food in that order.

Pole Shift Ning site without a doubt has to be the most informative site as to where the safe zones will be and what you will need and what to do to survive.

I don't give a shit that they have thrown into the mix Planet X. Thats redundant. Pole Shifts have happened before and we are on the verge of one right now. The poles have migrated 40 degrees for what ever reason that caused it and thats the RED ZONE. The tipping point. Were there already.

Just get ready to survive with a solid plan somwhere safe for a couple of years and then you can rebuild all your industrial disease as you please.

I f your not part of a group already with a plan in place its just about to late in the game. Most people have already waited far too long to start. Years behind some of us. Just waking up too it now well I think your shit out of luck unless you pull it together starting right now.

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