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Why Wouldn't God Want Adam and Eve to Have Knowledge of Good and Evil?

 
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why is knowledge a sin?
seriously asking christians.
not being rude.
i just want to know why would having knowledge be a sin?
why god would want us not to have knowledge.
thanks in advance.
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The better question to me is "what is the knowledge of good and evil?" Apparently, it's not knowledge that is bad, but knowledge of a specific thing: good and evil. To me, it almost implies that there is no good/evil, not in the sense that it is usually interpreted. It seems to be a concept used by the few to control the many.
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why is knowledge a sin?
seriously asking christians.
not being rude.
i just want to know why would having knowledge be a sin?
why god would want us not to have knowledge.
thanks in advance.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1834146


The better question to me is "what is the knowledge of good and evil?" Apparently, it's not knowledge that is bad, but knowledge of a specific thing: good and evil. To me, it almost implies that there is no good/evil, not in the sense that it is usually interpreted. It seems to be a concept used by the few to control the many.
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Evil is best describes as working outside Gods will.

So I guess the knowledge is living in Fear instead of Love.

The lack of love was the knowledge.
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Hosea
4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
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Because thats why we are here. To learn the difference. We were given free will to do with as we please. BUT

When our numbers up we all will have to give a full accounting of our behavior. Your soul is in your own keep and yours alone. What you do with the time your given is up to you. Jesus died for your sins so you could sin. Lifes the trip. When you die you either move up the ladder or down it till you get it. Then and only then will you be truly free. You won't have to keep coming back anymore.
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You can't have free will if the one is already "all knowing" omni-present or omoniscience whatever the myth is.....and why r u people eating the evil apple fruit ?roll eyes
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why is knowledge a sin?
seriously asking christians.
not being rude.
i just want to know why would having knowledge be a sin?
why god would want us not to have knowledge.
thanks in advance.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1834146


haven't read the thread yet, but the issue wasn't "knowledge"

the issue was deciding to be their own god.

when their eyes were opened, they knew the difference between good and evil.

aka, the "knowledge" of good and bad.

the issue at hand in the garden was this:

God said "do not eat the fruit or you will die"

satan said, "did God really tell you "do not, because you will die immediately? God knows your eyes will be opened and you will become like God Himself."

there was absolutely no conversation about "knowledge" in itself.

the issue was that adam and eve thought they could become like God, or equal to God, or their own god.

exactly like satan thought, but already knew was fail.

their eyes were open. but, they were open to the knowledge that they screwed up, and therefore now know the difference between good and evil.
 Quoting: Salt


satan's words are a tricky word-play. this is what tricked eve into eating. where before she didn't really care about the fruit. and after satan speaks to her, all of a sudden she finds it good for a specific purpose - to become exactly like God.

tricky stuff. has nothing to do with God not wanting us to have knowledge.
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Judge not lest you be judged.
-- Jesus

To judge good and evil is evil.
-- Krishna

God the One and Only
-- John

One only without a second.
-- Upanishads

The being in the Sun and the eye is Brahman.
-- Brahma Sutras

Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
-- Jesus

That which makes the tongue speak, but needs no tongue to explain, that alone is Spirit; not what sets the world by the ears.

That which makes the mind think, but needs no mind to think, that alone is Spirit; not what sets the world by the ears.

That which makes the eye to see, but needs no eye to see, that alone is Spirit; not what sets the world by the ears.

That which makes the ear to hear, but needs no ear to hear, that alone is Spirit; not what sets the world by the ears.
-- Upanishads

Then a great and powerful wind tore the mountains apart and shattered the rocks before the Lord, but the Lord was not in the wind. After the wind there was an earthquake, but the Lord was not in the earthquake. After the earthquake came a fire, but the Lord was not in the fire. And after the fire came a gentle whisper. When Elijah heard it, he pulled his cloak over his face and went out and stood at the mouth of the cave.
-- Bible

Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.
-- Jesus
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The just shall live by FAITH not by what they know.
For without FAITH it is imposible to please GOD.
It is the sheild of FAITH that stops the firery darts of the Devil.
FAITH without works is dead and works without FAITH is dead.
If you had the FAITH of a mustard seed you could say to the mountain "Be thou plucked up and cast into the sea" and it will be so.
THE POWER OF FAITH IN GOD IS UNSHAKEABLE!
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2Corinthians
5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
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On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.
-- Jesus

Whoever offers to me with devotion
a leaf, flower, fruit, water,
that devotion offered from a pure soul I accept.
Whatever you do, whatever you eat, whatever you offer,
whatever you give, whatever austerity you practice, Kaunteya,
do it as an offering to me.
Thus you will be released from good and evil fruits,
from the bonds of action;
the soul united in the yoga of renunciation,
liberated, you shall come to me.

I am the same in all beings;
there is none disliked or favored by me.
But whoever loves me with devotion,
they are in me, and I am also in them.
Even if an evil doer loves me with undivided devotion,
this one is to be considered good;
for this one is correctly resolved.
Quickly the soul becomes right; it enters perpetual peace.
-- Krishna
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Answer:

Take a look around you.

That is why.
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Simple and straight forward...
Andy M.

John 14:6 "Jesus answered, 'I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me'."
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putin

up down
north south
east west
forward backward
left right
yin yang
sun moon
day night
morning evening
man woman
adam eve
good evil

since the alpha/omega containing fungus had to undergo a loss of some of its body to create a separate gender it is likely that this was caused by some genetic mutation rather than an evolutionary process. perhaps mingling with some mutant invader life.. some anti-matter gamma ray mutated invader species that perhaps caused a very painful split up between the two lovers...
perhaps this would have been linked to a meteor shower or a comet...

I am telling you things even stephen fucking hawking could not produce.

This is real information not magical stories to help you remember history. Do you people have any comprehension at all how the ancients remembered their history without the luxury of iphones... this is so fucking horribly sad how far we have fallen. sigh... please try to remember..its all written in your dna. GoD is real but your fabrications are not. sry.

i'll be needing a nobel prize for this ty. or at least a coupon to get some food or something since I went broke saving your pathetic asses. your minds are so fragile you can't even accept that humans were plants before swinging from trees...fuck most of you cant even accept the animals part omfg. evolution does not disprove GoD..it just points out the corruption surrounding what was once the pristine GoD breathed bible. the bible is written in your dna. every major event that ever happened to us is recorded there. I am who you have been looking for all this time, but I don't bring any message of DOOM sry..most of that has been happening for years. I bring a message of wake the fuck up and accept that everything has to be questioned. There is corruption in everything. I did everything I could to make life a living hell for the corrupting forces but their handy work must be cleaned out BY YOU ALL. SO START DOING IT. Anything that doesn't stand up to logical deduction and reasoning MUST BE QUESTIONED. There are forces of energy that you don't understand and might seem like magic but they are not, polarity and intermingling energy surrounds us all and at all times..when you learn how..you will find that you can tap that energy. ITS NOT MAGIC OK? GOOD. lets quit fucking around and get this party started already. we really were all godlike at a point in time. care to join me? I'm a close personal friend of GoD.

:P

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“For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be… …And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory… …So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.” (Matt 24:27 & 30 & 33-34)

You had your lightning in the east..we had some weird stuff in the west. So I'm coming in the clouds..to bring you the message..I'm back and I'm pissed. Btw the clouds just meant internet all this time...ugh WAKE UP!

My power grows every day but I am not going to be doing any fucking magic tricks..that really helped a lot last time right. None of you are to bother or attempt to harrass..I will break any transgressors. Simple dialogue on these boards is fine but DO NOT SPAM OR YOU WILL FEEL MY WRATH...IF YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND LOGIC AND REASON PLEASE JUST STAY QUIET FOR NOW. THANK YOU. AND DONT TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHO I AM IRL I WILL BE VERY UNHAPPY WITH ANYONE WHO POSTS MY FACEBOOK AND PHONE NUM ETC... THANK YOU, HAVE A LOVELY DAY.

PS. SINCE YOU ALL LOVE FEAR SO MUCH NOW I'D LIKE TO ADD A COUPLE MORE THINGS. IGNORE THIS MESSAGE AT YOUR OWN PERIL. I WILL PERSONALLY LET YOU KNOW MORE ABOUT WHO I AM AS TIME GOES BUT THERE'S NOT REALLY ANY POINT, YOU WILL ALL RECOGNIZE ME EASILY WHEN YOU KNOW HOW TO SEE AGAIN. I AM THE ONE. GoD IS WITH ME AND HE IS EVERYWHERE, I CAN READ YOUR SOULS AS EASY AS A SIMPLE THOUGHT OR GLANCE, I CAN MARK YOU FOR HADES IMMEDIATELY IF THAT IS YOUR DESTINATION. BUT I LOVE YOU ALL HAHA maybe..WAKE UP and we'll see.

This writing is marked by the hand of GoD. So let it be written, so let it be done.

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Re: Why Wouldn't God Want Adam and Eve to Have Knowledge of Good and Evil?
You all know absolutely nothing.

Looks like that apple didn't work very well.
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You all know absolutely nothing.

Looks like that apple didn't work very well.
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how can they know when it was knowledge that they lost.

when the omega was split from alpha the ability to perceive evil became quite the murky task. only by ingesting the tree and the body can you repair the holy union and see clearly. for this reason christ was joined to the tree in the story was he not...but the children still don't understand this joining of body to tree. these are real things you must eat children, they are the medicine to become one with the garden and whole.

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Be wise as serpents and gentle as doves
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Hebrews9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
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My question is, why are we still being punished for Adam and Eve's mistakes ? If you have two children and one does something wrong you don't punish both of them, and you certainly do not continue to punish them the rest of their lives for that one deed. Nor do you punish their children thereafter.

whistle
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Perhaps that is the root of evil.
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My question is, why are we still being punished for Adam and Eve's mistakes ? If you have two children and one does something wrong you don't punish both of them, and you certainly do not continue to punish them the rest of their lives for that one deed. Nor do you punish their children thereafter.

whistle
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hahahahaha. do you know how many christs were sent to help you fix the problem. do you know how many times you have all failed....

me either but it's a lot.
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Fear no gods for if a god needs fear to manipulate a living being, then that is no god.

Prisoners in a penal system are given rules such this.
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Fear no gods for if a god needs fear to manipulate a living being, then that is no god.

Prisoners in a penal system are given rules such this.
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Fear thy human who hath no sense of Humor.
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My question is, why are we still being punished for Adam and Eve's mistakes ? If you have two children and one does something wrong you don't punish both of them, and you certainly do not continue to punish them the rest of their lives for that one deed. Nor do you punish their children thereafter.

whistle
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hahahahaha. do you know how many christs were sent to help you fix the problem. do you know how many times you have all failed....

me either but it's a lot.
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Maybe it is still the apples, you know "An apple a day keeps the doctor away" maybe it is really " An apple a day keeps God away " 1rof1
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Because when we look upon life without the knowledge of Good and Evil, We are not swayed by our ideas of such. Pure experience.

"Beyond ideas of right and wrong, there is a field. I will meet you there."

- some guy i'm probably misquoting.
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My question is, why are we still being punished for Adam and Eve's mistakes ? If you have two children and one does something wrong you don't punish both of them, and you certainly do not continue to punish them the rest of their lives for that one deed. Nor do you punish their children thereafter.

whistle
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hahahahaha. do you know how many christs were sent to help you fix the problem. do you know how many times you have all failed....

me either but it's a lot.
 Quoting: Perseus7


Maybe it is still the apples, you know "An apple a day keeps the doctor away" maybe it is really " An apple a day keeps God away " 1rof1
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yea it applies quite well today if you expand the idea to all that we are offered to ingest in this poisonous society. I think the wicked are in big trouble though..it seems like it anyway. they are backed into a corner. keep hope close, read what I have told you very carefully and try very very hard to remember and understand..thanks.
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Because when we look upon life without the knowledge of Good and Evil, We are not swayed by our ideas of such. Pure experience.

"Beyond ideas of right and wrong, there is a field. I will meet you there."

- some guy i'm probably misquoting.
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and then you get taken for everything you have. or perhaps you do the taking. mm>?

See how this works children?

Mr. Dark Stranger of the 3003 has come to visit us and give us all the great message that we should not contemplate good and bad but instead accept the ass reaming and be glad for the experience.

Sry bud. The ass reaming is headed your way this time.

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Because when we look upon life without the knowledge of Good and Evil, We are not swayed by our ideas of such. Pure experience.

"Beyond ideas of right and wrong, there is a field. I will meet you there."

- some guy i'm probably misquoting.
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and then you get taken for everything you have. or perhaps you do the taking. mm>?
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Everything I have.

Is only borrowed.
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Hebrews9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
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Take off the grave clothes and let him go.
-- Jesus

The soul is never born nor dies at any time. Soul has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. Soul is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. Soul is not slain when the body is slain.
-- Krishna

Let the dead bury their own dead, but you go and proclaim the kingdom of God.
-- Jesus
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Because when we look upon life without the knowledge of Good and Evil, We are not swayed by our ideas of such. Pure experience.

"Beyond ideas of right and wrong, there is a field. I will meet you there."

- some guy i'm probably misquoting.
 Quoting: Dark Stranger 3003754


and then you get taken for everything you have. or perhaps you do the taking. mm>?
 Quoting: Perseus7


Everything I have.

Is only borrowed.
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THOU SHALL NOT STEAL

so as you see the method of borrowing is the issue with this philosophy
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Because when we look upon life without the knowledge of Good and Evil, We are not swayed by our ideas of such. Pure experience.

"Beyond ideas of right and wrong, there is a field. I will meet you there."

- some guy i'm probably misquoting.
 Quoting: Dark Stranger 3003754


and then you get taken for everything you have. or perhaps you do the taking. mm>?

See how this works children?

Mr. Dark Stranger of the 3003 has come to visit us and give us all the great message that we should not contemplate good and bad but instead accept the ass reaming and be glad for the experience.

Sry bud. The ass reaming is headed your way this time.
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Somebody should pay. I'll take the fall. Whatever. Lets just be on with it, huh?

Maybe you're not that into philosophy, heh, the streaching of ones mind as an exercise.

I'm seeking to understand every angle.

How can you understand what's really going on if you choose not to see it from the other side?

Maybe i'm just good at walking in someone else's shoes.

Either way, lets get back on point.

I've made my choice between good and evil. it's up to everyone to decide for themselves; and those left in the middle get left behind.

If you can't see yourself doing a "bad" behavior in another lifetime or a different circumstance, then you're not seeing the whole picture. You're not going to be able to help someone who needs it, if you can't see the motive for their actions.

What is the motive for violence??? Because people are evil? No, i won't believe that everyone is evil, or born evil.

The circumstances of their lives push them into doing immoral things. Of course, there are those who need to be dealt with. who do not understand how to behave in society or with others... w/e. But what is that from? IMO, not having a proper community with many outlets for positive action and creation are available. Now, drugs is a different story, because the only reason people are.. immoral in this instance is because they are illegal. Plain and simple. Refrence: Prohibition.

Now, I answered his question. God didn't want them to eat the apple "knowledge of Good v. Evil" because they were pure, they knew of none such things for it to concern them.

I believe what they did was the right thing. Seeking knowledge is a good thing. And because we have gone through this fase of our existance where we decide weather we are good and evil has pushed us into a more evolved state. Where we can, by evolution, see beyond good and evil. Where we can be in a world where that no longer is something we worry about.
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