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The closest thing you will get ot perpetual motion....

 
Borian
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The closest thing you will get ot perpetual motion....
Come on glp. It's not perpetual motion but it will take the neodynium magnets 500 years to run out. Figure out to to power the world with this.
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Re: The closest thing you will get ot perpetual motion....
Come on glp. It's not perpetual motion but it will take the neodynium magnets 500 years to run out. Figure out to to power the world with this.

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Oh come now, are none of you interested in this. It shouldn't work. Create one of these the size of a house and you have 500 years of "free energy".
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I like it.


Expansion and contractions of the magnetic fields along with a regulator.


How big does it have to be built?

Last Edited by Chrit on 11/25/2012 12:33 AM
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Re: The closest thing you will get ot perpetual motion....
Come on glp. It's not perpetual motion but it will take the neodynium magnets 500 years to run out. Figure out to to power the world with this.

 Quoting: Borian


Oh come now, are none of you interested in this. It shouldn't work. Create one of these the size of a house and you have 500 years of "free energy".
 Quoting: Borian


FREE energy seems to be misunderstood still. ALL energy is FREE according to the laws of nature. It's the govments who charge you for it and make you believe it has a pricetag. No matter HOW you summon the energy, it's ALL energy converted to a usable source. It's all the same damn thing.

If you would engineer the above mentioned to the size of a house, I bet you they would find a way to charge you for it anyway ! So lose the SEARCH for free energy, cause it's allready in front of you. You need to help stop tptb charging you for it.
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Re: The closest thing you will get ot perpetual motion....
I like it.


Expansion and contractions of the magnetic fields along with a regulator.


How big does it have to be built?
 Quoting: Chrit


Lol, no idea. Working on one of my own at the moment.

/headbump
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Re: The closest thing you will get ot perpetual motion....
Stop trying to find ALTERNATIVES to something that's allready there. Start eliminating the NEED for searching.
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Re: The closest thing you will get ot perpetual motion....
Come on glp. It's not perpetual motion but it will take the neodynium magnets 500 years to run out. Figure out to to power the world with this.

 Quoting: Borian


the figuring out has been done.

the hard part is marketing it without having yourself, friends, pets and family murdered.


saw a show on perp motion recently . surprised only $10, 000 US offered for first machine.

soviet amateur scientist has mechanical device been going since 1979 and has applied for the prize but the comittee in charge says it hasn't gone forever yet. (seriously)


looks like giant mouse wheel and it is said to remain in motion as long as the planet

revolves. anyone else see that?
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Re: The closest thing you will get ot perpetual motion....
Come on glp. It's not perpetual motion but it will take the neodynium magnets 500 years to run out. Figure out to to power the world with this.

 Quoting: Borian


the figuring out has been done.

the hard part is marketing it without having yourself, friends, pets and family murdered.


saw a show on perp motion recently . surprised only $10, 000 US offered for first machine.

soviet amateur scientist has mechanical device been going since 1979 and has applied for the prize but the comittee in charge says it hasn't gone forever yet. (seriously)


looks like giant mouse wheel and it is said to remain in motion as long as the planet

revolves. anyone else see that?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28407761


The design is in front of everyone's face. If it dies, we are truly sad.
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Re: The closest thing you will get ot perpetual motion....
Come on glp. It's not perpetual motion but it will take the neodynium magnets 500 years to run out. Figure out to to power the world with this.

 Quoting: Borian


Oh come now, are none of you interested in this. It shouldn't work. Create one of these the size of a house and you have 500 years of "free energy".
 Quoting: Borian


I suspect this is a hoax. It is easy to hide small batteries in the frame and run wires to a convention (tiny) motor to run this.

I tried building a simple version myself, and it is not possible to keep a disk or cylinder of magnets spinning without oscillating the outer magnet (the one that is pulling them along). That oscillation requires an input of energy. I tried a spring, but a spring will always start to damp out eventually and as it damps out it correspondingly imparts less force to the magnets which in turn impart less force to the spring and together they decay to a standstill.
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Re: The closest thing you will get ot perpetual motion....
Come on glp. It's not perpetual motion but it will take the neodynium magnets 500 years to run out. Figure out to to power the world with this.

 Quoting: Borian


Oh come now, are none of you interested in this. It shouldn't work. Create one of these the size of a house and you have 500 years of "free energy".
 Quoting: Borian


I suspect this is a hoax. It is easy to hide small batteries in the frame and run wires to a convention (tiny) motor to run this.

I tried building a simple version myself, and it is not possible to keep a disk or cylinder of magnets spinning without oscillating the outer magnet (the one that is pulling them along). That oscillation requires an input of energy. I tried a spring, but a spring will always start to damp out eventually and as it damps out it correspondingly imparts less force to the magnets which in turn impart less force to the spring and together they decay to a standstill.
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The input is the coil. As soon as I saw it I knew what it was, it will work but how muck torque does it produce.

Then people ask the same question most every time, how it produces energy.

The real question is how it stores energy.





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Re: The closest thing you will get ot perpetual motion....
Come on glp. It's not perpetual motion but it will take the neodynium magnets 500 years to run out. Figure out to to power the world with this.

 Quoting: Borian


Oh come now, are none of you interested in this. It shouldn't work. Create one of these the size of a house and you have 500 years of "free energy".
 Quoting: Borian


I suspect this is a hoax. It is easy to hide small batteries in the frame and run wires to a convention (tiny) motor to run this.

I tried building a simple version myself, and it is not possible to keep a disk or cylinder of magnets spinning without oscillating the outer magnet (the one that is pulling them along). That oscillation requires an input of energy. I tried a spring, but a spring will always start to damp out eventually and as it damps out it correspondingly imparts less force to the magnets which in turn impart less force to the spring and together they decay to a standstill.
 Quoting: berniemom2012



The input is the coil. As soon as I saw it I knew what it was, it will work but how muck torque does it produce.

Then people ask the same question most every time, how it produces energy.

The real question is how it stores energy.





coil22
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So true, but the pendulum will stop from the resistance of the wire. The cylinder causes it to repeat with the bump when it cycles.

/freekin awesome to see you agian Chrit.
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Re: The closest thing you will get ot perpetual motion....
These machines that you see all over youtube are nearly useless. They produce an insanely small amount of torque. There's not really any useful work they can do save for power an LED light.

Even when scaled up they can't do much. No practical use.
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Oh come now, are none of you interested in this. It shouldn't work. Create one of these the size of a house and you have 500 years of "free energy".
 Quoting: Borian


I suspect this is a hoax. It is easy to hide small batteries in the frame and run wires to a convention (tiny) motor to run this.

I tried building a simple version myself, and it is not possible to keep a disk or cylinder of magnets spinning without oscillating the outer magnet (the one that is pulling them along). That oscillation requires an input of energy. I tried a spring, but a spring will always start to damp out eventually and as it damps out it correspondingly imparts less force to the magnets which in turn impart less force to the spring and together they decay to a standstill.
 Quoting: berniemom2012



The input is the coil. As soon as I saw it I knew what it was, it will work but how muck torque does it produce.

Then people ask the same question most every time, how it produces energy.

The real question is how it stores energy.





coil22
 Quoting: Chrit


So true, but the pendulum will stop from the resistance of the wire. The cylinder causes it to repeat with the bump when it cycles.

/freekin awesome to see you agian Chrit.
 Quoting: Borian



The clock only works because the pendulum regulates, no pendulum no mechanical clock.

Just need the superconductor to be perfected lol.

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Re: The closest thing you will get ot perpetual motion....
There are several versions of this. It is real. It is not free energy and will run out after a long time. It is just the finite enery of the magnets which make it move. It produces no torque. Its been a great idea and still is. Hopefully someone will eventually find out how to get it to make practical energy, but if you investigate this deeper you'll find the torque problem in this design is insurmountable with conventional tech.
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Re: The closest thing you will get ot perpetual motion....
There are several versions of this. It is real. It is not free energy and will run out after a long time. It is just the finite enery of the magnets which make it move. It produces no torque. Its been a great idea and still is. Hopefully someone will eventually find out how to get it to make practical energy, but if you investigate this deeper you'll find the torque problem in this design is insurmountable with conventional tech.
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Agree, but shouldn't stronger magnets = more torque?
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Re: The closest thing you will get ot perpetual motion....
There are several versions of this. It is real. It is not free energy and will run out after a long time. It is just the finite enery of the magnets which make it move. It produces no torque. Its been a great idea and still is. Hopefully someone will eventually find out how to get it to make practical energy, but if you investigate this deeper you'll find the torque problem in this design is insurmountable with conventional tech.
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Agree, but shouldn't stronger magnets = more torque?
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No, because the motion is from the oscillation of a magnetic field and not a difference in fields. Making it bigger will only increase the potential momentum and not the torque. It would probably hurt like hell to get hit by the fin of a giant one in motion, but it won't be able to overcome even the slightest resistence. BTW that wheel has to be perfectly balanced to work.
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Re: The closest thing you will get ot perpetual motion....
The input is the coil. As soon as I saw it I knew what it was, it will work but how muck torque does it produce.

Then people ask the same question most every time, how it produces energy.

The real question is how it stores energy.





:coil22:
 Quoting: Chrit


Quite simple. It doesn't, because it doesn't produce any energy. Gravity and magnets are conservative forces and don't create energy, they are just forces.

Equating magnets sticking to the fridge as an example of them using infinite energy is like saying nails or glue create infinite energy by sticking to the wall. No, this is called force.
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Re: The closest thing you will get ot perpetual motion....
In 10 years the magnet kt will only depolarise 1%.
So that means it is going to take 1000 years to depolarise completely in temperatures below 180 F° !!! otherwise it will be a lot quicker (thanks to rising temperature or outside influences)

hf

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