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Hitler's T4 Program compared to Obamacare

 
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In July of 1939, a conference of medical professionals was held in Berlin, Germany. Participating were the professors and chairmen of the departments of psychiatry of the leading universities and medical schools of Germany, many of them, the most respected professionals in their fields. The subject? What would be the criteria for determining what patients would be considered to have "lives unworthy to be lived," and what was the most "practical and cheap" manner of removing them from being burdens on the health-care system—by death.

Thus, the bureaucratic machine began to be cranked up for what is known as Adolf Hitler's program of genocide through "euthanasia," a program which killed hundreds of thousands of non-Jewish Germans, and eventually, millions of Jews and non-Germans as well.

That program, which had already begun years before, against concentration camp inmates and handicapped children, was officially put into effect in October 1939, when Hitler penned his own personal, and secret, authorization for the program, under the title, "The Destruction of Lives Unworthy of Life":

Reichsleiter Bouhler and Dr. Brandt are charged with the responsibility for expanding the authority of physicians, to be designated by name, to the end that patients considered incurable according to the best available human judgment of their state of health, can be accorded a mercy death.

To carry out this program, Hitler and his fiendish Nazi associates would fully utilize the "professional" apparatus which had been put in place, as well as the popular, British-eugenics-spawned ideology which had been increasingly dominant in Germany since Hitler seized power with the aid of powerful British-Wall Street financiers. The killing would proceed with the utmost "cost-effectiveness" and professionalism, in order to save funds for the Nazi state's preferred projects, and not waste them on "ineffective" medical treatments.

If that sounds familiar, it should. For the proposals which the Obama Administration has currently put on the table, follow them in virtual lockstep. First, the "experts" decide what is "effective" care, with "cost-effectiveness" foremost in mind, ruling out "inappropriate" treatments. These standards become the law, in terms of what medical care will be paid for. Then other experts efficiently implement those decisions, through the existing hospital apparatus.

The result, as in Nazi Germany, is that millions are, with the stroke of a pen, consigned to death.



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Gas chambers were introduced as a cost-effective alternative to lethal injection. Lethal injections were fine for babies and infants, but the dosage for an adult was apparently not cost effective.

[link to en.wikipedia.org] is a good start for more info.

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In July of 1939, a conference of medical professionals was held in Berlin, Germany. Participating were the professors and chairmen of the departments of psychiatry of the leading universities and medical schools of Germany, many of them, the most respected professionals in their fields. The subject? What would be the criteria for determining what patients would be considered to have "lives unworthy to be lived," and what was the most "practical and cheap" manner of removing them from being burdens on the health-care system—by death.

Thus, the bureaucratic machine began to be cranked up for what is known as Adolf Hitler's program of genocide through "euthanasia," a program which killed hundreds of thousands of non-Jewish Germans, and eventually, millions of Jews and non-Germans as well.

That program, which had already begun years before, against concentration camp inmates and handicapped children, was officially put into effect in October 1939, when Hitler penned his own personal, and secret, authorization for the program, under the title, "The Destruction of Lives Unworthy of Life":

Reichsleiter Bouhler and Dr. Brandt are charged with the responsibility for expanding the authority of physicians, to be designated by name, to the end that patients considered incurable according to the best available human judgment of their state of health, can be accorded a mercy death.

To carry out this program, Hitler and his fiendish Nazi associates would fully utilize the "professional" apparatus which had been put in place, as well as the popular, British-eugenics-spawned ideology which had been increasingly dominant in Germany since Hitler seized power with the aid of powerful British-Wall Street financiers. The killing would proceed with the utmost "cost-effectiveness" and professionalism, in order to save funds for the Nazi state's preferred projects, and not waste them on "ineffective" medical treatments.

If that sounds familiar, it should. For the proposals which the Obama Administration has currently put on the table, follow them in virtual lockstep. First, the "experts" decide what is "effective" care, with "cost-effectiveness" foremost in mind, ruling out "inappropriate" treatments. These standards become the law, in terms of what medical care will be paid for. Then other experts efficiently implement those decisions, through the existing hospital apparatus.

The result, as in Nazi Germany, is that millions are, with the stroke of a pen, consigned to death.



.......continued on link :

[link to www.larouchepub.com]

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 Quoting: Indysmindy



This is monstrous!
"Who decides?"
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Gas chambers were introduced as a cost-effective alternative to lethal injection. Lethal injections were fine for babies and infants, but the dosage for an adult was apparently too cost effective.

[link to en.wikipedia.org] is a good start for more info.
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umm... 'not' cost effective is what you meant.
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Hitler's Germany also held the patents for most of the things you use today. So, I guess that means Boeing is Nazi corporation, because they use Jet Engines. Right?

This is a typical case of.....
Godwin's law,

as in, you can't debate Obama or his polices. So, instead you find something that relates to Nazi's or something they did, and say "ZOMG Obama is going to push the Master race ideal on us"...
"Death Panels and gas chambers! ZOMG"

But on the case of Eugenics... guess what? It works. Breeders of animals have been doing this since the beginning of recorded history. How the hell do you think we domesticated so many animals? We didn't breed the ones that didn't associate well humans, and their genetic traits were lost. Have you ever wondered where all these big black dudes came from? The Southern Farmers used eugenics to breed the biggest and strongest slaves by mixing white DNA in with the black DNA....

McDonalds has killed more people than Nazis ever did.
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Gas chambers were introduced as a cost-effective alternative to lethal injection. Lethal injections were fine for babies and infants, but the dosage for an adult was apparently too cost effective.

[link to en.wikipedia.org] is a good start for more info.
 Quoting: Zedakah


umm... 'not' cost effective is what you meant.
 Quoting: mr_brightside74


thanks, it's late.
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Hitler's Germany also held the patents for most of the things you use today. So, I guess that means Boeing is Nazi corporation, because they use Jet Engines. Right?

This is a typical case of.....
Godwin's law,

as in, you can't debate Obama or his polices. So, instead you find something that relates to Nazi's or something they did, and say "ZOMG Obama is going to push the Master race ideal on us"...
"Death Panels and gas chambers! ZOMG"

But on the case of Eugenics... guess what? It works. Breeders of animals have been doing this since the beginning of recorded history. How the hell do you think we domesticated so many animals? We didn't breed the ones that didn't associate well humans, and their genetic traits were lost. Have you ever wondered where all these big black dudes came from? The Southern Farmers used eugenics to breed the biggest and strongest slaves by mixing white DNA in with the black DNA....

McDonalds has killed more people than Nazis ever did.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25330472


Over population is the elephant in the room no one wants to talk about. The question keeps getting side stepped and avoided at all cost.

IDK, but something has to change at some point. Human beings are fucking (no pun intended - both figuratively and literally) ourselves into oblivion.
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Re: Hitler's T4 Program compared to Obamacare
Hitler's Germany also held the patents for most of the things you use today. So, I guess that means Boeing is Nazi corporation, because they use Jet Engines. Right?

This is a typical case of.....
Godwin's law,

as in, you can't debate Obama or his polices. So, instead you find something that relates to Nazi's or something they did, and say "ZOMG Obama is going to push the Master race ideal on us"...
"Death Panels and gas chambers! ZOMG"

But on the case of Eugenics... guess what? It works. Breeders of animals have been doing this since the beginning of recorded history. How the hell do you think we domesticated so many animals? We didn't breed the ones that didn't associate well humans, and their genetic traits were lost. Have you ever wondered where all these big black dudes came from? The Southern Farmers used eugenics to breed the biggest and strongest slaves by mixing white DNA in with the black DNA....

McDonalds has killed more people than Nazis ever did.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25330472


Over population is the elephant in the room no one wants to talk about. The question keeps getting side stepped and avoided at all cost.

IDK, but something has to change at some point. Human beings are fucking (no pun intended - both figuratively and literally) ourselves into oblivion.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24183289


True--but I'd rather see birth control employed than euthanasia.

"Who decides?"
---Robert A. Heinlein

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Hitler's Germany also held the patents for most of the things you use today. So, I guess that means Boeing is Nazi corporation, because they use Jet Engines. Right?

This is a typical case of.....
Godwin's law,

as in, you can't debate Obama or his polices. So, instead you find something that relates to Nazi's or something they did, and say "ZOMG Obama is going to push the Master race ideal on us"...
"Death Panels and gas chambers! ZOMG"

But on the case of Eugenics... guess what? It works. Breeders of animals have been doing this since the beginning of recorded history. How the hell do you think we domesticated so many animals? We didn't breed the ones that didn't associate well humans, and their genetic traits were lost. Have you ever wondered where all these big black dudes came from? The Southern Farmers used eugenics to breed the biggest and strongest slaves by mixing white DNA in with the black DNA....

McDonalds has killed more people than Nazis ever did.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25330472


And Godwin's law is a convenient way to ignore the lessons of Nazi Germany.

Further, you have extrapolated Godwin's law well beyond where it began. Godwin's law in the original form stated that a person lost an argument if they resorted to saying to the opposition "you're just like Hitler" or "you're a Nazi" or something similar.

To compare what the Nazi regime did to what is occurring now has nothing to do with Godwin's law - and you resorting to it shows your lack of constructive argument. In fact, you should be accused of using the reverse of Godwin's law.

Those who don't learn from history are destined to repeat it.
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Hitler's T4 Program Revived In Obama's Health-Care `Reform'

by Nancy Spannaus

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In July of 1939, a conference of medical professionals was held in Berlin, Germany. Participating were the professors and chairmen of the departments of psychiatry of the leading universities and medical schools of Germany, many of them, the most respected professionals in their fields. The subject? What would be the criteria for determining what patients would be considered to have "lives unworthy to be lived," and what was the most "practical and cheap" manner of removing them from being burdens on the health-care system—by death.

Thus, the bureaucratic machine began to be cranked up for what is known as Adolf Hitler's program of genocide through "euthanasia," a program which killed hundreds of thousands of non-Jewish Germans, and eventually, millions of Jews and non-Germans as well.

That program, which had already begun years before, against concentration camp inmates and handicapped children, was officially put into effect in October 1939, when Hitler penned his own personal, and secret, authorization for the program, under the title, "The Destruction of Lives Unworthy of Life":

Reichsleiter Bouhler and Dr. Brandt are charged with the responsibility for expanding the authority of physicians, to be designated by name, to the end that patients considered incurable according to the best available human judgment of their state of health, can be accorded a mercy death.

To carry out this program, Hitler and his fiendish Nazi associates would fully utilize the "professional" apparatus which had been put in place, as well as the popular, British-eugenics-spawned ideology which had been increasingly dominant in Germany since Hitler seized power with the aid of powerful British-Wall Street financiers. The killing would proceed with the utmost "cost-effectiveness" and professionalism, in order to save funds for the Nazi state's preferred projects, and not waste them on "ineffective" medical treatments.

If that sounds familiar, it should. For the proposals which the Obama Administration has currently put on the table, follow them in virtual lockstep. First, the "experts" decide what is "effective" care, with "cost-effectiveness" foremost in mind, ruling out "inappropriate" treatments. These standards become the law, in terms of what medical care will be paid for. Then other experts efficiently implement those decisions, through the existing hospital apparatus.

The result, as in Nazi Germany, is that millions are, with the stroke of a pen, consigned to death.



.......continued on link :

[link to www.larouchepub.com]

F.Y.I.
 Quoting: Indysmindy


they have gone as far as saying that free thinking is a mental illness

[link to www.offthegridnews.com]

and the DNC in cooperation with the RNC has adopted NAZI tactics

[link to constitutionalistnc.tripod.com]

go figure
"If one understands that socialism is not a share-the-wealth programme, but is in reality a method to consolidate and control the wealth, then the seeming paradox of super-rich men promoting socialism becomes no paradox at all. Instead, it becomes logical, even the perfect tool of power-seeking megalomaniacs.

Communism or more accurately, socialism, is not a movement of the downtrodden masses, but of the economic elite."

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Excellent post OP...5 stars
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In July of 1939, a conference of medical professionals was held in Berlin, Germany. Participating were the professors and chairmen of the departments of psychiatry of the leading universities and medical schools of Germany, many of them, the most respected professionals in their fields. The subject? What would be the criteria for determining what patients would be considered to have "lives unworthy to be lived," and what was the most "practical and cheap" manner of removing them from being burdens on the health-care system—by death.

Thus, the bureaucratic machine began to be cranked up for what is known as Adolf Hitler's program of genocide through "euthanasia," a program which killed hundreds of thousands of non-Jewish Germans, and eventually, millions of Jews and non-Germans as well.

That program, which had already begun years before, against concentration camp inmates and handicapped children, was officially put into effect in October 1939, when Hitler penned his own personal, and secret, authorization for the program, under the title, "The Destruction of Lives Unworthy of Life":

Reichsleiter Bouhler and Dr. Brandt are charged with the responsibility for expanding the authority of physicians, to be designated by name, to the end that patients considered incurable according to the best available human judgment of their state of health, can be accorded a mercy death.

To carry out this program, Hitler and his fiendish Nazi associates would fully utilize the "professional" apparatus which had been put in place, as well as the popular, British-eugenics-spawned ideology which had been increasingly dominant in Germany since Hitler seized power with the aid of powerful British-Wall Street financiers. The killing would proceed with the utmost "cost-effectiveness" and professionalism, in order to save funds for the Nazi state's preferred projects, and not waste them on "ineffective" medical treatments.

If that sounds familiar, it should. For the proposals which the Obama Administration has currently put on the table, follow them in virtual lockstep. First, the "experts" decide what is "effective" care, with "cost-effectiveness" foremost in mind, ruling out "inappropriate" treatments. These standards become the law, in terms of what medical care will be paid for. Then other experts efficiently implement those decisions, through the existing hospital apparatus.

The result, as in Nazi Germany, is that millions are, with the stroke of a pen, consigned to death.



.......continued on link :

[link to www.larouchepub.com]

F.Y.I.
 Quoting: Indysmindy


BUHAHAHAHA

Fucking clowns that you racists are.
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It's not good when the government ensures all their citizens can access healthcare.
It's not good when they try to keep the costs balanced by putting protocols in place.

I guess whatever they do it's bad.

OP probably would love to live in a USA where everything is free choice and your doctor chooses to only help those that make >1 million a year.

It's his free choice right. He also chooses not to live or interact with people making less than 1 million.

OP is free but dying, excluded from parts of society cause no one stepped in when things got divided.

Good luck being free OP.
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It's not good when the government ensures all their citizens can access healthcare.
It's not good when they try to keep the costs balanced by putting protocols in place.

I guess whatever they do it's bad.

OP probably would love to live in a USA where everything is free choice and your doctor chooses to only help those that make >1 million a year.

It's his free choice right. He also chooses not to live or interact with people making less than 1 million.

OP is free but dying, excluded from parts of society cause no one stepped in when things got divided.

Good luck being free OP.
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Shut the fuck up you retard.

Everyone's dying, but at least not everyone is as retarded as you.
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It's not good when the government ensures all their citizens can access healthcare.
It's not good when they try to keep the costs balanced by putting protocols in place.

I guess whatever they do it's bad.

OP probably would love to live in a USA where everything is free choice and your doctor chooses to only help those that make >1 million a year.

It's his free choice right. He also chooses not to live or interact with people making less than 1 million.

OP is free but dying, excluded from parts of society cause no one stepped in when things got divided.

Good luck being free OP.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24643310



Yes, I would like my own choices. I honestly feel I'm in a movie now, things are so unreal that are occurring now in the US, actually all over the world. I did not vote for this! Oh well, only time will tell what is going to happen. 1dunno1
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It's not good when the government ensures all their citizens can access healthcare.
It's not good when they try to keep the costs balanced by putting protocols in place.

I guess whatever they do it's bad.

OP probably would love to live in a USA where everything is free choice and your doctor chooses to only help those that make >1 million a year.

It's his free choice right. He also chooses not to live or interact with people making less than 1 million.

OP is free but dying, excluded from parts of society cause no one stepped in when things got divided.

Good luck being free OP.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24643310



Yes, I would like my own choices. I honestly feel I'm in a movie now, things are so unreal that are occurring now in the US, actually all over the world. I did not vote for this! Oh well, only time will tell what is going to happen. 1dunno1
 Quoting: Indysmindy


Well in reality it's probably for the best. The angry Dutch guy above you also has no clue.
A relative of mine (who happens to be dutch) was ill and got treated and cured. They used stem cell technology that saved him. A treatment that would cost millions of dollars in the US.
I have friends in the US that would have to sell their house if they got seriously ill today.

I know it's far from perfect, and I know it's not free choice.
But in the end you never chose to be here in the first place, better make the best of it.
Unless you are surrounded by doctors in your family you better find a way to get some treatment when needed.
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Well I hope when they kill off us useless baby boomers because we are no longer young they do it in some kind of painless way if that's possible.
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Well I hope when they kill off us useless baby boomers because we are no longer young they do it in some kind of painless way if that's possible.
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They are not going to let us have weed...Curses, I posted that in two threads. Not spamming, just inattentative.

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"Votes making Colorado and Washington the first U.S. states to legalize marijuana for recreational use could be short-lived victories for pot backers because the federal government will fight them, two former U.S. drug control officials said on Wednesday.

They said the federal government could sue to block parts of the measures or send threatening letters to marijuana shops, followed up by street-level clampdowns similar to those targeting medical marijuana dispensaries the government suspects are fronts for drug traffickers.

"This is a symbolic victory for (legalization) advocates, but it will be short-lived," Kevin Sabet, a former adviser to the Obama administration's drug czar, told reporters
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Well I hope when they kill off us useless baby boomers because we are no longer young they do it in some kind of painless way if that's possible.
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06120439teenrose And people wonder why we are in trouble.
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Hitler's Germany also held the patents for most of the things you use today. So, I guess that means Boeing is Nazi corporation, because they use Jet Engines. Right?

This is a typical case of.....
Godwin's law,

as in, you can't debate Obama or his polices. So, instead you find something that relates to Nazi's or something they did, and say "ZOMG Obama is going to push the Master race ideal on us"...
"Death Panels and gas chambers! ZOMG"

But on the case of Eugenics... guess what? It works. Breeders of animals have been doing this since the beginning of recorded history. How the hell do you think we domesticated so many animals? We didn't breed the ones that didn't associate well humans, and their genetic traits were lost. Have you ever wondered where all these big black dudes came from? The Southern Farmers used eugenics to breed the biggest and strongest slaves by mixing white DNA in with the black DNA....

McDonalds has killed more people than Nazis ever did.
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yeah... okay, bomo.

the difference between liberals and conservatives is that conservatives tend to believe what they see while liberals tend to see what they believe.
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And Godwin's law is a convenient way to ignore the lessons of Nazi Germany.

Further, you have extrapolated Godwin's law well beyond where it began. Godwin's law in the original form stated that a person lost an argument if they resorted to saying to the opposition "you're just like Hitler" or "you're a Nazi" or something similar.

To compare what the Nazi regime did to what is occurring now has nothing to do with Godwin's law - and you resorting to it shows your lack of constructive argument. In fact, you should be accused of using the reverse of Godwin's law.

Those who don't learn from history are destined to repeat it.
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If I'm not mistaken, this is what you're looking for.

The law and its corollaries would not apply to discussions covering known mainstays of Nazi Germany such as genocide, eugenics or racial superiority, nor, more debatably, to a discussion of other totalitarian regimes or ideologies, if that was the explicit topic of conversation, since a Nazi comparison in those circumstances may be appropriate, in effect committing the fallacist's fallacy. Whether it applies to humorous use or references to oneself is open to interpretation, since this would not be a fallacious attack against a debate opponent.
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How can you compare both

you have no idea about what Hitler was.

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It's not good when the government ensures all their citizens can access healthcare.
It's not good when they try to keep the costs balanced by putting protocols in place.

I guess whatever they do it's bad.

OP probably would love to live in a USA where everything is free choice and your doctor chooses to only help those that make >1 million a year.

It's his free choice right. He also chooses not to live or interact with people making less than 1 million.

OP is free but dying, excluded from parts of society cause no one stepped in when things got divided.

Good luck being free OP.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24643310



Yes, I would like my own choices. I honestly feel I'm in a movie now, things are so unreal that are occurring now in the US, actually all over the world. I did not vote for this! Oh well, only time will tell what is going to happen. 1dunno1
 Quoting: Indysmindy


Well in reality it's probably for the best. The angry Dutch guy above you also has no clue.
A relative of mine (who happens to be dutch) was ill and got treated and cured. They used stem cell technology that saved him. A treatment that would cost millions of dollars in the US.
I have friends in the US that would have to sell their house if they got seriously ill today.

I know it's far from perfect, and I know it's not free choice.
But in the end you never chose to be here in the first place, better make the best of it.
Unless you are surrounded by doctors in your family you better find a way to get some treatment when needed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24643310


Your friends are retards.

There is insurance.

You pay a little extra premium and most procedures are taken care of.

Any quarrels you have left are with your insurance system that have been there for ages. At least people HAVE insurance nowadays.

You see, you might have friends living there, but some of us have relatives there or some of us live in more than one country. So cut the bullshit racist hate, get to work, pay a little extra and get any doctor you want. Then afterwards you can turn down your premium again. What's bad about that? Nothing. Except for the president's not white so you gotta rabble right?

Tell us again, how well treated people in the Czech republic are. Retard.

"angry dutch guy"

LOL.

You guys are the angry ones.

Not me xD Read what the fuck you're typing! Just because I used the word 'fuck' or 'retard' does not mean I'm angry, it simply means you are stupid.
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It's not fair to compare Obama to Hitler. One was a power-grabbing socialist with a god-complex, who attacked the religious while pretending to be religious. The other had a funny mustache.
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Hitler's Germany also held the patents for most of the things you use today. So, I guess that means Boeing is Nazi corporation, because they use Jet Engines. Right?

This is a typical case of.....
Godwin's law,

as in, you can't debate Obama or his polices. So, instead you find something that relates to Nazi's or something they did, and say "ZOMG Obama is going to push the Master race ideal on us"...
"Death Panels and gas chambers! ZOMG"

But on the case of Eugenics... guess what? It works. Breeders of animals have been doing this since the beginning of recorded history. How the hell do you think we domesticated so many animals? We didn't breed the ones that didn't associate well humans, and their genetic traits were lost. Have you ever wondered where all these big black dudes came from? The Southern Farmers used eugenics to breed the biggest and strongest slaves by mixing white DNA in with the black DNA....

McDonalds has killed more people than Nazis ever did.
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Good mornin, Libbie (Liberal with infanticed brain),

Let's get 2 things straight:

1) If OP chose to create a thread comparing the T4 program to Obamacare, that is his or her right.
It in NO way implies (as you do) that there is no criticism of obumbo's program that could be made on its own.

2) Obamacare is a disaster that is intended to be a disaster. Yes, it will shorten your parents life (assuming you had some and weren't spawned) and your life and the lives of your children, until repealed.

3) Just one choice tidbit of Obamascare: girls as young as junior high schoolers can get themselves sterilized without parental consent. If that fact alone does not make you throw up, you are beyond hope.

I know a great deal about T4, and it was indeed a very respectable program for years.
The killings were carried out out of sight.
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Hitler was a national socialst who could effect millions, now we have global socialists who now effect billions.
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Hitler was a national socialst who could effect millions, now we have global socialists who now effect billions.
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Nice point.

And don't forget Mao, the leftist who let tens of millions starve in his "Great Leap Forward" socialization of agriculture program.


Or Stalin, the Communist who decimated whole countries' populations.
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Hitler's Germany also held the patents for most of the things you use today. So, I guess that means Boeing is Nazi corporation, because they use Jet Engines. Right?

This is a typical case of.....
Godwin's law,

as in, you can't debate Obama or his polices. So, instead you find something that relates to Nazi's or something they did, and say "ZOMG Obama is going to push the Master race ideal on us"...
"Death Panels and gas chambers! ZOMG"

But on the case of Eugenics... guess what? It works. Breeders of animals have been doing this since the beginning of recorded history. How the hell do you think we domesticated so many animals? We didn't breed the ones that didn't associate well humans, and their genetic traits were lost. Have you ever wondered where all these big black dudes came from? The Southern Farmers used eugenics to breed the biggest and strongest slaves by mixing white DNA in with the black DNA....

McDonalds has killed more people than Nazis ever did.
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I'll have the Zyklon-B Happy meal with cheese, please.
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How can you compare both

you have no idea about what Hitler was.

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Racists are, generally speaking, retarded people.

And one must never underestimate the stupidity of people.

Put 1 and 1 together and you must be double as careful not to underestimate the stupidity of retarded(racist) people.
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Oh shut the fuck up. I'm reporting you.
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Hitler's Germany also held the patents for most of the things you use today. So, I guess that means Boeing is Nazi corporation, because they use Jet Engines. Right?

This is a typical case of.....
Godwin's law,

as in, you can't debate Obama or his polices. So, instead you find something that relates to Nazi's or something they did, and say "ZOMG Obama is going to push the Master race ideal on us"...
"Death Panels and gas chambers! ZOMG"

But on the case of Eugenics... guess what? It works. Breeders of animals have been doing this since the beginning of recorded history. How the hell do you think we domesticated so many animals? We didn't breed the ones that didn't associate well humans, and their genetic traits were lost. Have you ever wondered where all these big black dudes came from? The Southern Farmers used eugenics to breed the biggest and strongest slaves by mixing white DNA in with the black DNA....

McDonalds has killed more people than Nazis ever did.
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yeah... okay, bomo.

the difference between liberals and conservatives is that conservatives tend to believe what they see while liberals tend to see what they believe.
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I think your both fools.
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The Nazis learned statism from American Wilsonian Socialists.

American Socialists in turn learned mind control, mass hypnosis, the fascism from the German Nazis.

Now, the circle is complete, with American Communists being in charge of the White House and Senate, using Nazi techniques in a fascist framework empowered by the unimaginable mechanisms of the computer age.

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