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Private medicine doesn't work!

 
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Private medicine doesn't work!
Recently I broke my leg. The care was excellent, the bill wasn't.

$2,000 dollars..

For an x-ray and a cast.

Now I'm not proposing Obamacare as a solution. But in it's current state we cannot continue with this system.
I believe doctors should be compensated handsomely. With a universal healthcare system everyone wins. Doctors can be paid well, and costs aren't outrageous.

Your thoughts?
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What private medicine? We haven't had private medicine in the US in years.

The government controls everything to do with medicine, from how many doctors graduate from medical school to what questions they are allowed to ask you. The government is running healthcare in this country, not the private sector.

Look at the treatments that the government regulates less. Prices for plastic surgery, breast enlargements, laser eye surgeries have all gotten dramatically cheaper. While the rest of medicine has gotten much more expensive.

I'd love to be able to be treated by my vet. They use the same medicines and treat the same ailments, but charge only a tenth of the fee because the government isn't controlling it.
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Because the cost of medical care for illegal immigrants is being passed onto you. If hospitals were no longer required to treat them for non-life threatening illnesses and injuries, you would see a big decrease in the cost of healthcare.
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The problem with medicine functioning as a profitable corporation within a capitalist system is that as such, it's subject to the "rule of incentive."

That is.. where is the incentive to cure profitable diseases if it means a loss of profit centers?

I'm not suggesting that individual health practitioners intentionally think to themselves "I don't want to see this patients condition improve" but rather that the entire system of "medicine as profitable" is designed in such a way as to discourage permanent cures from coming to light.
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Malpractice liability is ridiculously high. Obamacare didn't even fix that shit.
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Private ownership of expensive cars doesn't work!
Orthodontists and their high-priced braces is outrageous!
Private nannies is outrageous!
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It's my right to have anything I want!
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I am a retard.
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Clearly there are examples where private ownership is not an effective solution.

The energy industry for example. There is no incentive to promote clean, free sources of energy, such as Tesla's Wardenclyffe Tower. This tower was designed to provide free energy for the entire planet, but was shut down by George Westinghouse when he realized there would be no enduring profit to be made.

The economic incentive principle works in some cases, but in others it works to the detriment of humanity and the ecosystem as a whole.
Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid,
it is true that most stupid people are conservative.

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Yeah because under Obamacare you'll pay $2400 per year to the government or be forced to give more money to the already highly profitable health insurance industry, whether you break your leg or not, and whether they actually fix it or not...

Of course you'll never notice, they'll take it right out of your check! What a bargain for YOU!!! They've learned that the sheeplike just look at the final check, not what the government takes out...

Because God knows, when the Government takes over an entire industry, it gets more efficient, there's less red tape, it's more cost effective, and less corrupt...(sarcasm intended)

Just look at how profitable and efficient the Postal Service is...

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Malpractice liability is ridiculously high. Obamacare didn't even fix that shit.
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And who is going to practice medicine if it means everything they own can be at risk at the whim of a frivilous lawsuit?

They'd have to be nuts to do this.
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I smoked and drank fer fity yars and you's tellin' me I'd got lung cancer? Ah's gonna sue u!
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We just got a Bill from the ER for $1700 no treatment, just anxity Attack. WTF.
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Malpractice liability is ridiculously high. Obamacare didn't even fix that shit.
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BINGO. Also the cost of covering illegals. OP, did you get to choose which doctor/hospital treated you? I know right now I'd get to choose. I have a feeling in the future that choice will go away.
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As long as the medical industry can go after your assets - house, property, savings, the coat off your back -
for payment, they'll charge whatever they want. It's greed run amuck. The AMA and govt.. set up a system to make
a few greedy doctors and insurance co's...rich, at the expense of everybody else. Needlessly restricting the number of dr's...creating MD academic requirements which have nothing to do with healing people, but are designed to traumatize and indoctrinate Med students....linking up docs and big pharma to make sure everyone is drugged and ever more sick...

The insurance co's, which are largely hand in hand with the docs, encourage high med costs, as without
exorbinant fees noone would need insurance.....
So, get rid of med insurance, quadruple or more the number of docs. Allow nurses to operate much more independently. Delink Dr's and big pharma. Do not allow Dr's to go after assets, they'd only be allowed to charge what people can afford. Install a single payer system for those who want it.
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Malpractice liability is ridiculously high. Obamacare didn't even fix that shit.
 Quoting: AlcoholicRunner


Malpractice costs are a tiny tiny percentage of overall medical costs...phoney reform, which dimwits who don't like to hold incompetent Drs..responsible want, will not make even a scratch in overall costs. Maybe if there wern't so many incompetent boobs practicing medicine they wouldn't all need malpractice insurance. It's really really really hard to get a malpractice suit going....there are no frivolous malpractice suits.
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1978 broken leg bill $400 bucks.

Insurance becomes popular in the early 80’s. Ten year later broken leg bill $1400 because the insurance company’s negotiate hospital bills down, but you as just a regular person do not necessarily have the ability to negotiate your bill down.

What used to have to be affordable health care before insurance has now been exasperate by overbilling with the idea that insurance companies will negotiate the bill down to a lower cost.

Repeal McCarran-Ferguson
Repeal the Financial Modernization Act of 1999


And yes malpractice insurance in my state is over $50,000 a year for a doctor with a clean record. Lot more if the doc has ever been sued even if they won the case.
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Left breast butchered by Dr. When I was 21....fibroid cyst. Cha Ching

Broken arm that would have healed with a wrist brace.....metal plate and six metal screws, and a lovely scar $20,000 CHA CHING

Eighty year old bed ridden MIL had some spotting....hytorectomy and two months in a nursing home.....$25,000 and then she died.

Millions of children on psychotropic drugs....

Baby well care.....vaccines....profit while destroying.

The list is long.

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1978 broken leg bill $400 bucks.

Insurance becomes popular in the early 80’s. Ten year later broken leg bill $1400 because the insurance company’s negotiate hospital bills down, but you as just a regular person do not necessarily have the ability to negotiate your bill down.

What used to have to be affordable health care before insurance has now been exasperate by overbilling with the idea that insurance companies will negotiate the bill down to a lower cost.

Repeal McCarran-Ferguson
Repeal the Financial Modernization Act of 1999


And yes malpractice insurance in my state is over $50,000 a year for a doctor with a clean record. Lot more if the doc has ever been sued even if they won the case.
 Quoting: Chrit



Insurance companies want overall med costs high, as there would be no need for insurance if costs were low. The notion that high costs are due to insurance co's negociating low reimbursements is patently false. The rates insurance co's reimburse Docs are still absurdly high and serve to just spur dr's on to charge even higher rates for the uninsured suckers. The insurance co's may have opened the door to unbridled greed, the Dr's, however, took the ball and ran with it.

As long as Dr's make stupid mistakes that ruin lives, they should pay for malpractice insurance.
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Bummer OP in the last two years I've had my left knee replaced once my right knee replaced 3 times a femur job and part of the right side hip replaced.

It didn't cast me one cent!!!!!

Private medicine works!!!! AND so do the proper insurance companies.

It all comes down to choices, make the correct ones and things go relatively smooth (minor bumps) choose incorrectly and not so smoothly (picture Tsunamis).
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solution;

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The government controls everything to do with medicine, from how many doctors graduate from medical school to what questions they are allowed to ask you.
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Can you please document this claim?
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ObamaCare is like cutting off your leg because a pedicure was too expensive.
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Recently I broke my leg. The care was excellent, the bill wasn't.

$2,000 dollars..

For an x-ray and a cast.

Now I'm not proposing Obamacare as a solution. But in it's current state we cannot continue with this system.
I believe doctors should be compensated handsomely. With a universal healthcare system everyone wins. Doctors can be paid well, and costs aren't outrageous.

Your thoughts?
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While the cost is high, I can't imagine adding in government bureaucracy and waste and inevitable corruption are going to lower costs. Oversight might. But having gov't actually running it won't. I have seen all the splendor and lies our current system has to offer and seen shit that you frankly wouldn't believe.

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