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Many of us are convinced that some element of "the fringe" which most people scoff at is in fact true. I am referring to anything you'd find under "Metaphysical" in a bookstore: UFOs, ghosts, ESP, etc. I'm curious to hear from others who have been convinced about something which mainstream science calls 'fantasy'. What do you 'know' is real which most others disbelieve, and why do you believe it?
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that's pretty cool if it's not a hoax.
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I believe that human civilization has been around a lot longer than we are led to believe.

Any evidence that contradicted the Biblical creation story has been systematically destroyed for millenia.
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Those are WWII high intensity light bulb fragments. They are on the site of a now totally obliterated Soviet factory and were buried mechanically.
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Theres hidden truths outside and within.
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Our "known" historical perameters are being stretched today.

Robert Schoch Ph.D (Boston College Prof.) found a 9x12 meter hollow compartment under the right paw of the Sphinx. If we could get our State Dept. to go to bat for Schoch in Egypt, we could possibly uncover the "Hall of Records" predicted by Edgar Cayce. He saw the Hall of Records at the left paw of the great Sphinx back in the 1930's.

The 9x12 meters cavern in front of the Sphinx could very well be the beginnings of a "Hall" that leads under the Pyramids on the Giza Plateau.

Check out Gobekli Tepe in Turkey. Its by far the oldest the man made structure (that we've found) to date. Radiocarbon dates Gobekli Tepe to circa 9000 BCE! As Schoch said "that changes everything."
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Humans have been bouncing in and out of advanced, and dark ages for millions of years. The Pharoahs left lasting things so later generations would be aware of this phenomena. We in this current civilization have hit the peak and are now descending toward the next dark age.
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True, our only difference is I believe we're going into the Aquarian Age, the "water bringer" the ancients called it.

We'll see our system of commerce destroyed (my opinion) and see it replaced with something more equitable and sustaining for the long-term.

But, getting from her to there is going to be rough. The contractions are getting closer together and much sharper, painful. Sandy, New Orleans, Housing Bubble etc..2013 will be incredible to watch.
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Those are WWII high intensity light bulb fragments. They are on the site of a now totally obliterated Soviet factory and were buried mechanically.
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Do you have proof of this or a link.
Or is it just your opinion?
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Wow!

It looks like GE (General Electric) was around 20,000 years ago....amazing! (GE stamped on inner part of coil if you enlarge it and apply negative masking to the image)
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True, our only difference is I believe we're going into the Aquarian Age, the "water bringer" the ancients called it.

We'll see our system of commerce destroyed (my opinion) and see it replaced with something more equitable and sustaining for the long-term.

But, getting from her to there is going to be rough. The contractions are getting closer together and much sharper, painful. Sandy, New Orleans, Housing Bubble etc..2013 will be incredible to watch.
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Interesting you say contractions!!! The bible says this:


Matthew 24:4-8

4 Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Christ,a’ and will deceive many. 6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains.
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Thats our own stuff, in the future we event time travel and go back in time and leave shit there to confuse ourselves
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Those are WWII high intensity light bulb fragments. They are on the site of a now totally obliterated Soviet factory and were buried mechanically.
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Do you have proof of this or a link.
Or is it just your opinion?
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I read an article about these a couple years ago. Just because these particular artifacts are not the real deal, does not have any implications for others. There are so many artifacts that suggest a richer history, and they must all be examined individually. I will go see if I can find the original work on these light bulb fragmants.
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[link to expertspages.com]

Many of us are convinced that some element of "the fringe" which most people scoff at is in fact true. I am referring to anything you'd find under "Metaphysical" in a bookstore: UFOs, ghosts, ESP, etc. I'm curious to hear from others who have been convinced about something which mainstream science calls 'fantasy'. What do you 'know' is real which most others disbelieve, and why do you believe it?
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our current civilization is the 6 th global civilization that will bite the dust.
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Look here:

Thread: Refined metal spirals found under 6 meters of dirt in the Ural mountains, estimated age 100,000 years

Another discussion about this from a couple years ago.
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every 5126 years the earth crosses the galactic plane erasing mankind's memory clean. Dumb-ed down to cavemen once again only to slowly evolve intellectually back to where we are now. It's a time loop that we can't seem to shake. Will we be able to retain some knowledge or willthe high magnetics during the crossing of the galactic centre erase our "hard drive" yet again? Some think that this time we will be able to retain the knowledge but will lose electronics and much knowledge is stored on computers. So once again (after a few generations) we will be back living like cavemen
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Wow!

It looks like GE (General Electric) was around 20,000 years ago....amazing! (GE stamped on inner part of coil if you enlarge it and apply negative masking to the image)
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let's not cloud the issue with facts... roflmao
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I believe that human civilization has been around a lot longer than we are led to believe.

Any evidence that contradicted the Biblical creation story has been systematically destroyed for millenia.
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This^^ So much of the ancient knowledge has been lost. Also alot of damning artifacts have been stolen and are probably in some billionaire's collection somewhere.
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Humans have been bouncing in and out of advanced, and dark ages for millions of years. The Pharoahs left lasting things so later generations would be aware of this phenomena. We in this current civilization have hit the peak and are now descending toward the next dark age.
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I think we've hit rock bottom, there's nowhere to go but up now.
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translated from [link to radosvet.net]

The first data on these objects appeared in 1991, when, according to the mineralogist Regina Akimova prospecting expedition discovered in the River People in samples of sand, were examined for the presence of gold, small spiral detail.
In the future, similar objects (usually spiral) has repeatedly found in the Polar Urals in the rivers of the People, and Kozhim Balbanyu, and in Tajikistan and Chukotka. Smaller objects are mainly composed of tungsten and molybdenum, larger - from copper.

The dating of these objects is very difficult due to the fact that most of the discoveries were made in the alluvial deposits. The exception was the case of detection of two spiral patterns in 1995 in the wall of the pit in the lower reaches of the Balbanyu. Examination conducted by the TsNIGRI E. Matveeva, to determine the age of rocks, which were found in the samples, approximately 100 000 years (horizon occurrence - 6.5 m). Others gave a more vague examination results - from 20 000 to 318 000 years.
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A resident of the Tula region, Mikhail Yefimovich Koshman, although retired, but every summer travels with a team of the gold mines in Chukotka. Legally, signing a contract with a company that has a license to mine gold in the area. Mikhail Yefimovich such work is like. First, earnings - a good increase in their pension. Secondly, a former geologist, 21 years worked in those places, can not live without the North, where it pulls like a magnet. But he came to our office does not talk about the beauty of Chukotka. Fradkov brought mysterious artifacts discovered during a regular visit. Explain their origin, he, again, a professional geologist, I could not.

- We worked 150 kilometers from Bilibin (capital of the gold-bearing district of the "Golden Kolyma." - Ed.) In the section "Kochkarny", - says Mikhail Yefimovich. - This time we got a strange creek. I've been there before and have always paid attention to the fact that there are no fish at all - a situation for Chukotka absurd. And perhaps for this, and perhaps for some other reason it will never wander herders. But the situation for gold here is pretty standard. In the hills there are quartz veins, once heavily saturated with gold. For millennia, numerous streams are washing their precious metal. And gold particles settle to the bottom with mud and other debris, which fell into the stream, for example, during the flood. Over time, veins become poor, and every year in the sedimentary material of precious sand fell less. As a result, in the creek to get to the gold, we have to remove several layers of sediment. And in fact, what would be the layer thickness, the expert can easily determine the length of time it adds up. In other words, how many years ago was no longer get gold here.

The technology is simple: choose a suitable site prospectors creek and a bulldozer removed layer by layer, getting to the gold-bearing. Then wash out the bottom gidropushkoy, and then the process of sand washing and separation of precious metals from it a little different from what is shown in films about the first gold miners.

Ten thousand years underground

This time was removed layer thickness of about 5.5 meters. And this, according to Koshman, consistent with what it is accumulated from 10 to 40 thousand years, depending on changing weather conditions. Other geologists consulted by the "Komsomolskaya Pravda", confirmed it.

- Brook appeared rich - continues Fradkov - rate even exceeded our gang. But twice in the tray of golden sand I found strange spring. Imagine, they lay in a layer of sand, which was brought here for at least ten thousand years ago! Both were buried under more than a five-meter layer of silt and clay.

All springs were five. Perfectly smooth, dull steel color. The diameter of each - about 1 millimeter. Length - 3 to 7 millimeters. And on the form they were elements of a technical construction.

UFO's terminology, such things - so-called "paleoartefakty." That is, objects of technological origin, found during excavations, or in other situations in the ancient soil layers where they can get a lot sooner than human civilization emerged. On this basis, many ufologists claim: either people are not the first intelligent inhabitants of the Earth, or our planet visited by aliens.

Among the finds many unusual things: there are all kinds of bolts, nuts, hardened cylinders, chains. There were also spring. But those of the few artifacts that reached the hands of scientists, found themselves still the work of man. And almost always able to understand how they were in a place of discovery. And we decided to find out: that the springs could pan for a prospector Koshman.

Rather, Fradkov first tried to understand this myself:

- At first I thought it was part of the filament - for example, the lamp spotlight. But in our cooperative spotlight all were intact. Carefully all polls - was no one lamp did not break. And all are experienced - garbage would not throw in the creek, where the gold wash. The second was the version that came here springs from the upper stream, and in some unknown way failed to five meters down. But later in the management of the farm in Bilibin, I found that our creek had not previously worked with. No near him any residential areas. Was not in the vicinity and never Gulag camps. However, the version I tested it for conscience sake, that there is no doubt. I firmly believe that the springs were in long creek and lay there all the time.

Fradkov gave several springs found in the "Komsomolskaya Pravda", and we have asked experts to explore them.

"Explicit technogenic": tungsten plus mercury

I showed the first director of the springs of the Mineralogical Museum. Fersmana doctor of geological-mineralogical sciences Novgorodova Margarita. The answer was categorical: "This is a clear technogenic." And at her request, a senior fellow of the same museum, Vladimir Karpenko examined them for scanning electron microscope CamScan-4. Conclusion: More than 90 percent of the spring is made of tungsten. The rest - mercury. Tungsten and mercury. Seems to be clear. After all, humanity has long used a mercury-tungsten lamps. For example, these are used in projectors. Similar lamps still hang on poles street lighting in many cities - they give more light than usual of the same capacity. But the spiral bulbs in them are no different from those found in conventional lamps - made entirely of tungsten (mercury is added to the flask to argon discharge). But tungsten spirals mercury does not happen. Again mystery


Another analysis done for us specialists of the State Research Center "Obninsk Research and Production Enterprise 'Technology', where developing new materials for the aerospace, aviation and energy. Says Deputy Director General, Ph.D. Oleg COMMISSIONER:

Glow plug for a standard lamp is different from the springs, and found Mikhail Koshman (above).
- I also believe that the unknown spring is made by man. Moreover, the share of tungsten in the visible, that the appointment of an unknown springs - identical spiral filament bulbs. But confuses the presence of mercury
We conducted a comparative analysis of the spiral of conventional bulbs and Chukotka. Morphologically the surface are significantly different. In a standard lamp it is smooth. The wire diameter is about 35 microns. The wire is in a spring of unknown origin on the surface of a longitudinal "regular" groove with fused edges, and its diameter - 100 microns. But it is unclear how these springs could get to a depth of 5.5 meters. I wonder if there were still finding man-made, such as fragments of glass?

Geologist Michael Koshman to this question, the answer was:

- No. On this site, in addition to our team, worked two more. After I discovered the spring, and I told our workers, and neighbors to everything unusual informed me. Alas, the idea was not a success. I would agree with the version that my springs - part of an unusual lamp. But when in Bilibin (center gold in Chukotka. - Ed.) I talked about the discovery, many remembered hearing about something like that, found in other places. And too far from civilization, where no miracle lamps could not be due to a simple lack of electricity. I will keep looking. Hopefully next summer I find something new in Chukotka.

Andrey Moiseenko, kp.ru


In an Internet this spring is the subject of many materials. This is interesting in that it fresh. Springs are found in gold mining areas: Chukotka, Turkmestan, Igarka. Two years ago KP already wrote about spring, however, the study of springs, there was found the alloy is somewhat different than those in spring. In A. Sklyarov, has a thread with a discussion of purpose tungsten springs. You can compare the pictures of the springs with the newly found. The difference between them is in the alloy: These (old - tungsten and molybdenum). New - tungsten and mercury. The similarity of these materials may be, we must seek, in addition to high-temperature properties of tungsten in an entirely different direction than used in light bulbs. This alloy at high temperature, can be, and creates conditions of superconductivity effect, which is a prerequisite for the creation of powerful magnetic fields, create a controlled plasma, which could be used for drilling rock. When the author of the article, writes that the Chukotka people lived, it takes only a short time period, post-Flood. But the North was at times very populous Hyperborean edge, possibly with technology superior to ours today.
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Many of us are convinced that some element of "the fringe" which most people scoff at is in fact true. I am referring to anything you'd find under "Metaphysical" in a bookstore: UFOs, ghosts, ESP, etc. I'm curious to hear from others who have been convinced about something which mainstream science calls 'fantasy'. What do you 'know' is real which most others disbelieve, and why do you believe it?
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No great mystery. Even the cities that are underwater are no great mystery. If people would quit dismissing scripture they would know that there was an Earth age before this one existed and it was utterly destroyed. We are not talking about Noah's flood here because that was only regional and Chinese records prove that. Not was it regional it happened in this Earth age, the second Earth age. There will be a Third Earth age as well according to Christ. This heaven and earth shall pass away, but His Word shall not. We are soon to enter the new Earth Age.

This world is 4 billion years old. Recorded biblical history is 13,000 years old: 6,000 years of the Earth's rejuvenation, 1,000 years of rest, 4,000+ years of Old Testament history to the time of Christ, approximately 2,000+ years to now.

Scientists say that the Ice Age ended about 12,000-14,000 years ago. Does that not start making sense now?

Man was dwelling on Earth 2,000 years before Adam and the Adamic bloodline. Don't you think that the fallen ones would have been advancing civilization to thwart God's creation all that time; hence, the Sumerians and Akkadians and all the civilizations around the world that talk about the winged serpent and the white skinned giants with red hair and red beards.

The reason why I know this stuff is because God has blessed me with eyes to see and ears to hear. I have been given wisdom by God. The answers are out there but lies have been taught to the people and they always seem to not be able to put the pieces together.

Well now I am giving you the pieces. Study hard. Re-learn the truth.
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I believe that human civilization has been around a lot longer than we are led to believe.

Any evidence that contradicted the Biblical creation story has been systematically destroyed for millenia.
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Sorry, friend. I know you wish the Bible would just go away but this only reinforces the scriptural account for the Earth ages. The last one, this one, and the one to come.
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Those are WWII high intensity light bulb fragments. They are on the site of a now totally obliterated Soviet factory and were buried mechanically.
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Some of the objects are .3 microns. You can't even see that unless you have a microscope that can go 100x magnification. I don't think they would have used something that small for lightbulbs or just about anything in WW2.

IF this was a WW2 relic, it would have had to be a research facility, because you couldn't even see (yet create or work with) half of these objects without an extremely powerful microscope for that time.
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Our "known" historical perameters are being stretched today.

Robert Schoch Ph.D (Boston College Prof.) found a 9x12 meter hollow compartment under the right paw of the Sphinx. If we could get our State Dept. to go to bat for Schoch in Egypt, we could possibly uncover the "Hall of Records" predicted by Edgar Cayce. He saw the Hall of Records at the left paw of the great Sphinx back in the 1930's.

The 9x12 meters cavern in front of the Sphinx could very well be the beginnings of a "Hall" that leads under the Pyramids on the Giza Plateau.

Check out Gobekli Tepe in Turkey. Its by far the oldest the man made structure (that we've found) to date. Radiocarbon dates Gobekli Tepe to circa 9000 BCE! As Schoch said "that changes everything."
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Look up the russian boy boriska, he describes where to find the switch to open the door to the hall of records. Bassicaly behind one of the ears. The trick is to get the right people to find it and not the government or illuminati who will just horde the info for themselves.
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I believe that human civilization has been around a lot longer than we are led to believe.

Any evidence that contradicted the Biblical creation story has been systematically destroyed for millenia.
 Quoting: Lemon


Sorry, friend. I know you wish the Bible would just go away but this only reinforces the scriptural account for the Earth ages. The last one, this one, and the one to come.
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Here is a tid bit of info to hopefully get you to question instead of stay firm on your beliefs, it is said that there have been 6 noah style floods from historical and geological evidence, if you watch the matrix, the "Arcitect" (spelling) says that they have destroyed zion 6 times. Coincedence?
Theres also that thread about the vatican researcher thats re-translating the bible and texts which according to him are very simular to sitchen, a race geneticaly altered a primate species in there likeness. I dont know why this is so hard for people to accept, there is 5 mutant geanes in humans, there is a huge gap in the fossil record to show the evolutionary change.
The evidence is out there...

By saying all this im not trying to say dont believe in god, but i think that everyone who is religious should have an open mind on there religion, man has had a lot of time to manipulate religion for personal gain.

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