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Thinking of bugging out to the country? Think again.

 
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Unless you grew up here to begin with, you just don't have the mindset to truly make it. You have very little concept of how subsidized, pampered and protected your lifestyle is. You can't just pop out for any given need when you inhabit the boonies. Cops and ambulances can take hours to respond. Heat in the form of wood is dirty and dangerous from the point of felling to combustion, especially if you don't grasp the difference between soft and hard woods. Say goodbye to clean clothes, daily chores are not forgiving. Food? Hah! You have no idea how cheap your food is. You will spend more time raising crops and livestock than you ever did pushing pixels, and for not profit, but just to cover a per person 2000Kcal/day diet.

Speaking of which, how are you going to pay taxes and licenses? Your opportunity to earn in the sticks is severely limited, and you will be in competition from natives for what jobs exist; not something you want to bring on yourself. You think you hate immigrants? Flatlanders are not welcomed with open arms, even if you are white as the driven snow.

Why? Because of the attitudes you bring. I own over a 100 acres. However, the town now has a health ordinance making it illegal for me to own more than 20 pigs. This was shoved through by transplants. Now I do not use pigs as an income source, and have never kept more than one breeding pair, but just who do you think you are telling me what I can and can not keep in terms of livestock? It hasn't stopped there. There are now laws limiting the use of outdoor boilers to between October and April, and you can't just have any old boiler, it has to be the most complex one. Bullshit. It can take decades for the locals to trust you if ever, all because of the previous high minded urban refugees.

Life is not easy out here. Unless you are used to hard physical labor for much of the day, you don't stand a chance out here. Some make it. More than that have come and gone within a year or two. The bucolic country side looks mighty appealing from the outside, but unless you are ready for the commitment of your life to provide as much as you can for yourself, and do without, you are in for a rude awakening. Forget about discretionary spending on new fangled gadgets. Your budget will predominately be chewed up by the insatiable appetite of your implements and inputs for plantings and livestock.

Then there is the land. Few have any clue as to how many acres it takes to support livestock and crops. Realistically, the bare minimum to start a self sufficient holding for a family is 10-15 acres per person. Livestock need huge amounts of pasture in the summer and grain for the winter. You will also need a wood lot and crop land.

It is great to carp and dream, but get a clue; bugging out to the country is not all milk and honey. In the end you probably are better off lumping up with the rest of the urbanites in the coming fedghettos.
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you must relocate
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Ain't that the truth.
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and your a hick
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OP is living in a fantasy world that doesn't exist. The country has gone hitech as the city. Dairy farms have robitics to milk cows and operate tractors. I have no idea what the OP is nattering on about.
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and your a hick
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Put your money where your mouth is. Come out here and try to survive. You'll be crying for your conditioned cocoon in days.
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I agree OP, for anyone that hasnt made the move years ago its to late. Im still in a unincorperated county, they havent stomped on our rights out here yet. The only complaint I get is keeping my share of the right of way cut to their 18 inch standard. Other than that its do as we wish pretty much. Still able to build structures on the back 40 with no permits and such.
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OP is living in a fantasy world that doesn't exist. The country has gone hitech as the city. Dairy farms have robitics to milk cows and operate tractors. I have no idea what the OP is nattering on about.
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Corporate dairy farms are part of why the food supply in this country is failing. Further if you had read, I own a tractor, and much of my operating budget goes into its appetite for hydrocarbons. Even so, much of my work providing for myself requires a strong back and the will to get up each day and sweat.
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OP is living in a fantasy world that doesn't exist. The country has gone hitech as the city. Dairy farms have robitics to milk cows and operate tractors. I have no idea what the OP is nattering on about.
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Belive everything you see on TV. Most of the real farmers are scratching it out.
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and your a hick
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Put your money where your mouth is. Come out here and try to survive. You'll be crying for your conditioned cocoon in days.
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OP is right, sadly. But perhaps those who wisely want to escape big cities can team up with someone who owns a working homestead and needs an extra hand. Be prepared to have something to offer whether it is your skills, knowledge, 'stuff' that would be of value in that situation, etc.

Or move to a smaller city or town (where they can find a job) and meet people who might be able to advise/help them build a better lifestyle. Hang out at the feed store, join a club, become active in a church, be a volunteer firefighter; become a part of the community.

Making this kind of transition without a support group already in place is not easy and it takes time.
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First of all just heading any where other than a park, relative or friends house when emergency "bugging out" is absurd. Unless you've got the cash/gold to buy some land off someone.

If we are talking emergency survival and your couple of acres. Animals are a luxury, you don't need animal protein to survive, you can live a damn long time without even balanced protein intake. Vitamins and potatoes would keep you alive a damn long time.

If your going to make a long term living on the land without any saved money or off land income, I think the poster is basically correct. Its going to be damn hard. Probably not reasonably feasable for most people.
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Why do so many rural people think people who live in cities are weak and stupid?! You live in a fantasy world. Plus how can 320 million people in the U.S. all live in the 'country'? How? Does the boonies have a viable economy[s] to keep them and the U.S. afloat? Absofuckinglutely not.

And stop with the fear porn and out of control paranoia. It isn't doomsday or some post-apocalyptic place where I live [a big city], not by a long shot. We aren't all dodging bullets, foraging for food lmao .....I mean seriously, WTF? There are obviously a lot of people in this country and elsewhere who haven't been properly socialized growing up and haven't learned to get along comfortably with millions of others of their own species. The thought of living in any place bigger than say 50,000 people scares them.It's ridiculous.

If shit happens, we deal with it just like rural people. And you should realize a lot of the shit you see on the news, TV, movies is bullshit. They HYPE fear and chaos.
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First of all just heading any where other than a park, relative or friends house when emergency "bugging out" is absurd. Unless you've got the cash/gold to buy some land off someone.

If we are talking emergency survival and your couple of acres. Animals are a luxury, you don't need animal protein to survive, you can live a damn long time without even balanced protein intake. Vitamins and potatoes would keep you alive a damn long time.

If your going to make a long term living on the land without any saved money or off land income, I think the poster is basically correct. Its going to be damn hard. Probably not reasonably feasable for most people.
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I'm pretty much talking about all scenarios here. Don't think for a minute you can just walk out the door with a bug out bag and head to the countryside. Any place that might be reasonable to inhabit probably already is someones landholding, and if it is not, the outsider just showing up and 'squatting' is not going to be welcomed.

As for going it on a couple of acres, I beg to differ. Let's say you can survive off just potatoes and a ruck sack of vitamins. Figured out how many acres of potatoes are required to feed one person for one year? The answer is not comforting. Then there is the wood lot for cooking fire, heating source and to build a shelter.

The whole notion of countryfication is phantasmagorical at best for most sub/urbanites.
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dang 2000 calories a day?
sounds like a guvment agent to me.

Lots of study shows a 600 intake prolongs life.


but yeah, most city folk wouldn't last very long out here in the sticks.

speaking of which, you know we cant even get fresh bread now because of the strike after the nazis centralized production to burn more fuel, which raises the cost, which in turn raises the inflation tax. Long short, bring a good bread recipe if you come.
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Why do so many rural people think people who live in cities are weak and stupid?!
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Because I have witnessed the same time and time again. Hence my observation that of those who try, more fail/give up and return to the city than remain.

You live in a fantasy world. Plus how can 320 million people in the U.S. all live in the 'country'? How? Does the boonies have a viable economy[s] to keep them and the U.S. afloat? Absofuckinglutely not.
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Again part of my point is that there is not a rats chance in hell of all sub/urbanites making the transition.

And stop with the fear porn and out of control paranoia. It isn't doomsday or some post-apocalyptic place where I live [a big city], not by a long shot. We aren't all dodging bullets, foraging for food lmao .....I mean seriously, WTF?
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It ain't there yet bubbie, but just you wait. You ain't seen nothing yet..
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shilllllll

got a round pen

if you got horses I bet
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dang 2000 calories a day?
sounds like a guvment agent to me.

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2000 is a bare minimum with the amount of labor that I do. You can get by on 600 if all you do is push pixels. Try farming and see what happens on that little of an input...
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OP is living in a fantasy world that doesn't exist. The country has gone hitech as the city. Dairy farms have robitics to milk cows and operate tractors. I have no idea what the OP is nattering on about.
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The point is, they may use robotics etc. (and I'm sure that they thank the Good Lord that they have them!) but if/when TSHTF, those "hick red-necks" will KNOW HOW to hand-milk a cow.

Have YOU ever milked a cow? There is a "trick" to it, and it is a learning process. Milking takes a long time, and has to be done twice a day REGARDLESS of anything ELSE which is going on. Not all cows are excited about being milked, and they will let you know that on NO uncertain terms! And were you aware that in order to GET milk, the cow has to have just had a calf? That means a bull is somewhere in the picture, and bulls can be mean and unpredictable. Also, when a cow is "in milk" she needs to have special "sweet" feed, or the milk will taste funny. You can't just turn her out into a brushy pasture and expect to get much, if any, milk. At some point she will "dry up", and then (after a rest period) you will have to deal with the bull again. Then there is the issue of the calf. Will you raise it and feed it for a year and a half or two years until IT is old enough to be bred? If it's a boy, will YOU be the one to castrate it and then keep it in GOOD feed until it's old enough to be butchered for your table?

Kind of gives you a new respect for that jug of milk in your refrigerator, doesn't it?!
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Unless you grew up here to begin with, you just don't have the mindset to truly make it. You have very little concept of how subsidized, pampered and protected your lifestyle is. You can't just pop out for any given need when you inhabit the boonies. Cops and ambulances can take hours to respond. Heat in the form of wood is dirty and dangerous from the point of felling to combustion, especially if you don't grasp the difference between soft and hard woods. Say goodbye to clean clothes, daily chores are not forgiving. Food? Hah! You have no idea how cheap your food is. You will spend more time raising crops and livestock than you ever did pushing pixels, and for not profit, but just to cover a per person 2000Kcal/day diet.

Speaking of which, how are you going to pay taxes and licenses? Your opportunity to earn in the sticks is severely limited, and you will be in competition from natives for what jobs exist; not something you want to bring on yourself. You think you hate immigrants? Flatlanders are not welcomed with open arms, even if you are white as the driven snow.

Why? Because of the attitudes you bring. I own over a 100 acres. However, the town now has a health ordinance making it illegal for me to own more than 20 pigs. This was shoved through by transplants. Now I do not use pigs as an income source, and have never kept more than one breeding pair, but just who do you think you are telling me what I can and can not keep in terms of livestock? It hasn't stopped there. There are now laws limiting the use of outdoor boilers to between October and April, and you can't just have any old boiler, it has to be the most complex one. Bullshit. It can take decades for the locals to trust you if ever, all because of the previous high minded urban refugees.

Life is not easy out here. Unless you are used to hard physical labor for much of the day, you don't stand a chance out here. Some make it. More than that have come and gone within a year or two. The bucolic country side looks mighty appealing from the outside, but unless you are ready for the commitment of your life to provide as much as you can for yourself, and do without, you are in for a rude awakening. Forget about discretionary spending on new fangled gadgets. Your budget will predominately be chewed up by the insatiable appetite of your implements and inputs for plantings and livestock.

Then there is the land. Few have any clue as to how many acres it takes to support livestock and crops. Realistically, the bare minimum to start a self sufficient holding for a family is 10-15 acres per person. Livestock need huge amounts of pasture in the summer and grain for the winter. You will also need a wood lot and crop land.

It is great to carp and dream, but get a clue; bugging out to the country is not all milk and honey. In the end you probably are better off lumping up with the rest of the urbanites in the coming fedghettos.
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Coming from someone who lives in a huge city, thank you. What you have wrote really puts it into perspective. Thanks for the honesty as me and the wife were looking at moving to a mountain town. I will make sure not to brin an attitude and will try not to step on toes. Thanks for the heads up.
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Unless you grew up here to begin with, you just don't have the mindset to truly make it. You have very little concept of how subsidized, pampered and protected your lifestyle is. You can't just pop out for any given need when you inhabit the boonies. Cops and ambulances can take hours to respond. Heat in the form of wood is dirty and dangerous from the point of felling to combustion, especially if you don't grasp the difference between soft and hard woods. Say goodbye to clean clothes, daily chores are not forgiving. Food? Hah! You have no idea how cheap your food is. You will spend more time raising crops and livestock than you ever did pushing pixels, and for not profit, but just to cover a per person 2000Kcal/day diet.

Speaking of which, how are you going to pay taxes and licenses? Your opportunity to earn in the sticks is severely limited, and you will be in competition from natives for what jobs exist; not something you want to bring on yourself. You think you hate immigrants? Flatlanders are not welcomed with open arms, even if you are white as the driven snow.

Why? Because of the attitudes you bring. I own over a 100 acres. However, the town now has a health ordinance making it illegal for me to own more than 20 pigs. This was shoved through by transplants. Now I do not use pigs as an income source, and have never kept more than one breeding pair, but just who do you think you are telling me what I can and can not keep in terms of livestock? It hasn't stopped there. There are now laws limiting the use of outdoor boilers to between October and April, and you can't just have any old boiler, it has to be the most complex one. Bullshit. It can take decades for the locals to trust you if ever, all because of the previous high minded urban refugees.

Life is not easy out here. Unless you are used to hard physical labor for much of the day, you don't stand a chance out here. Some make it. More than that have come and gone within a year or two. The bucolic country side looks mighty appealing from the outside, but unless you are ready for the commitment of your life to provide as much as you can for yourself, and do without, you are in for a rude awakening. Forget about discretionary spending on new fangled gadgets. Your budget will predominately be chewed up by the insatiable appetite of your implements and inputs for plantings and livestock.

Then there is the land. Few have any clue as to how many acres it takes to support livestock and crops. Realistically, the bare minimum to start a self sufficient holding for a family is 10-15 acres per person. Livestock need huge amounts of pasture in the summer and grain for the winter. You will also need a wood lot and crop land.

It is great to carp and dream, but get a clue; bugging out to the country is not all milk and honey. In the end you probably are better off lumping up with the rest of the urbanites in the coming fedghettos.
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Too late I already live in the Boonies. Hell we could even be neighbors. Let the blood bath, I mean friendly competition begin. yoda
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2000 is a bare minimum with the amount of labor that I do. You can get by on 600 if all you do is push pixels. Try farming and see what happens on that little of an input...
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that just means your stupid
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2000 is a bare minimum with the amount of labor that I do. You can get by on 600 if all you do is push pixels. Try farming and see what happens on that little of an input...
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that just means your stupid
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What is so stupid about not wanting my body to savage muscle mass so that I can complete the chores of the day?

The amount of work I complete burns more than 2000 calories. Where is that energy going to come from? Orgone? No, first the body robs fat then it eats muscle. Do that long enough and the body will actually go after organ tissue leading to a slow death. No thanks, I'll eat enough food to keep an appropriate BMI/muscle mass.
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OP is living in a fantasy world that doesn't exist. The country has gone hitech as the city. Dairy farms have robitics to milk cows and operate tractors. I have no idea what the OP is nattering on about.
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You have no idea because you obviously didn't read the post or your comprehension of english is limited. The OP was talking about subsistence farming, providing for the family, not large scale industrial farming. Good luck finding a small farm holder with the latest hitech equipment.
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WhooBoy did you hit the nail on the head, OP! Especially people coming in and imposing their dream desires...for Green Acres & Cupcake Corners.

Small subsistence farming is almost completely unknown/unrecognized in these US. People think grand scale, robotics, computerized, automated, etc. is "farming".

Getting up at 0330 and having to pick-axe frozen muck, tending "the Ladies" who are leaking milk all over the floor & it turning into an "icecream rink", checking "the Girls" in their nests & gathering partially defrosted eggs... all before breakfast.

All of what you & Eggcellent said & more goes into the day-to-day life on a farm. Even a very small farm.

Oh, and making sure "Little Rabbit FooFoo" in the hutch hasn't had any pups die overnight...Did I mention breakfast? Come & get it!
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I bugged out OF the country. But I agree, most people couldn't hack what it takes. Bugging out and Moving into the Country in the USA? Piece of cake!
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Well it seems that there are a lot of knowledgeable people in this thread, so here goes. If living at 6000 feet, would growing indoors with a few 1000 watt hps/ mh lamps during the winter be more efficient than a green house? I can keep the greenhouse stable at 52 degrees in freezing temps but not sure if it would effect yields as much as I think. Any help would be appreciated
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OP is living in a fantasy world that doesn't exist. The country has gone hitech as the city. Dairy farms have robitics to milk cows and operate tractors. I have no idea what the OP is nattering on about.
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He does sound kinda stupid. Can you imagine how much food somebody could grow on even 2 acres? Enough beans, squash and corn to feed them thru the winter easily.
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Where the hell do you own a hundred acres that is effected by a 'city' ordinance? I live on 300, lease 200, and manage 5K, we are a 12 miles from town.

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My farm

View of some of my cows from my office.
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Keeping chickens is easy and a person doesn't have to run a dairy farm to keep a milk cow.

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