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OP, Have you always lived in the country? You are so spot on, it's scary.
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My 30 year old kids think I am nuts for teachin them to live in the woods 30 years ago, now they are rething what I taught them how and what to eat in the woods and use for medicine
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Hopefully, your teachings did not include grammar.
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I have been in the woods 48 years and I don't care what anyone says, we are the kindest most helpful and well mannered people in the world... until you cross us.

If you move to the country... mind your own business if Joe has had a deer hanging in the tree for 3 days don't call Peta... it is a process that some like to do

Crackheads... don't stare at them, talk about them or report them, judges let them out in 24 hours and you're on their mind and they need a fix.

Real slow weird country folks... leave them alone, most of them get crazy checks and wackin you is just a trip to see family and friends.... and they always let them back out...

I don't think they count me as a old timer yet here... but leave the old guys alone... that is all we want anyway, to be left alone
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The rules of life in the country . . . nice.

Can't imagine why ANYONE with a sense of intellect and decency would want to put up with that garbage.
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This is a very sad thread.

That is because the majority are caught in the mindset of, "American Famrming," i.e., largely people of a European background.

Now.

Let me show you a better way.
That has been used for thousands of years to sustain life.

I'll just give you two things.

One:
Cuy.

Google, YT.

THE most elegant protein source.
They eat GRASS.
Centuries of raising them in homes in Peru, Ecuador.

Take little room. You will be amazed at just how little. Amazed. Eat grass cuttings. Provide high quality... and very delicious... protein source.

Expand your minds. That is what it will take.

Two:
Check out the Vietnamese gardens in East New Orleans, in the Vietnamese enclave.
Check out the various levels/types of gardening that goes on.

Hint: the American way of planting St. Augustine lawns... the ultra-limiting mindset, may well one day kill very many if tshtf... simply because people have been entrained to think in particularly limited and dependent ways.

No being a paid member means I can't post pictures in this thread.
Which really is to the detriment of the entire forum.

Google.
As well, if you can watch the PBS show:
"Vietnamese Cuisine in New Orleans," advise you do so.
This does touch on the gardening practices, from simple to more complex.

You owe it to yourselves to explore how peoples in areas have survived for hundreds to thousands of years.

If you are going to make it, you really are going to have to learn to think outside the box.

I spit out that American Way of so much in terms of basic survival.
I went to, and looked at how other cultures did it for so long...
And still do it.

Learn or Die. (dramatic some?... yea... but, just saying... in an attempt to make a point).
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There you go. There are many solutions to the problems we foresee.

Edit: typo
 Quoting: Unit3


This probably could be a whole thread in itself. Most people don't realize all the things you can eat to survive, and actually thrive on.

For example, 1 pound of inner tree bark (with the right type of trees) can give 500-600 calories + protein, and it even can be made into flour (or to make your flour go farther).

[link to survival.outdoorlife.com]

Also, insects are also a great source of calories, and have about 10 times the protein of beef.

Be careful though, not all bugs and trees are created equal. Learn what the hell you are doing.

Some other obscure foods include:
Thissles
Cattails (swamps)
Many types of flowers (roses and lilies in particular)
acorns (better cook them well)
worms
many reptiles (turtles are great)
almost all small animals


In fact, the thing that should be in EVERYONE's survival kits / bugout bags is an ample supply things to dress up obscure foods. A little sugar/honey, tobasco, spices, powdered butter, and other condiments can make even the most disgusting food a lot more bareable.
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We have a multitude of critters around, many on the property.
S.East Louisiana.
Even the acorns.

Still. Having a self-contained protein source, as in cuy, means you don't have to go anywhere... don't have to be out and about competing with others for protein resources once the very local sources are tapped out.

There's nothing like self-sufficiency.
I'm mildly surprised that cuy has not landed on the radar of those who would... prep.

To be sure, I have cases of MREs. Canned foods.
In addition to the well, some stored water.

BUT.
Nothing compares to that elegant live food source that lives on green things from the yard.
We have nutria in the ditches out front.
You can see them run back and forth.
But they'd be tapped out soon enough.

Cuy.
And a Vietnamese style garden where the lawns used to be.
Really impressive to see, BTW.
A real eye-opener on self-sufficiency.

Now... I talk. I haven't been able to fully convince the wife that we need to go all the way.
That's because we are probably going to leave the states anyway and go to a part of the world further down the NWO hit list (the U.S. is at the top of that list... it has to go).

At which point that becomes a bet...
Do we live long enough for some quality of life before that one too, "goes."
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First of all just heading any where other than a park, relative or friends house when emergency "bugging out" is absurd. Unless you've got the cash/gold to buy some land off someone.

If we are talking emergency survival and your couple of acres. Animals are a luxury, you don't need animal protein to survive, you can live a damn long time without even balanced protein intake. Vitamins and potatoes would keep you alive a damn long time.

If your going to make a long term living on the land without any saved money or off land income, I think the poster is basically correct. Its going to be damn hard. Probably not reasonably feasable for most people.
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I'm pretty much talking about all scenarios here. Don't think for a minute you can just walk out the door with a bug out bag and head to the countryside. Any place that might be reasonable to inhabit probably already is someones landholding, and if it is not, the outsider just showing up and 'squatting' is not going to be welcomed.

As for going it on a couple of acres, I beg to differ. Let's say you can survive off just potatoes and a ruck sack of vitamins. Figured out how many acres of potatoes are required to feed one person for one year? The answer is not comforting. Then there is the wood lot for cooking fire, heating source and to build a shelter.

The whole notion of countryfication is phantasmagorical at best for most sub/urbanites.
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you talk a lot. you know there's lots of city folk who own rural land, right? what are you going to do, drive them off their own land?
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Speak for yourself, living in the country has been waaaaaaaay easier than it ever was livin in the city.
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dang 2000 calories a day?
sounds like a guvment agent to me.

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2000 is a bare minimum with the amount of labor that I do. You can get by on 600 if all you do is push pixels. Try farming and see what happens on that little of an input...
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I would imagine that even 2000 isn't enough. More like 2800 to 5000 for a 200 pound man doing manual/physical labor.
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I left out the live traps of differing sizes for raccoons, possum, foxes, squirrels that live on the property.

There are some deer as well that come through.

We have frogs and turtles.

But those would be tapped out eventually.

We'd have to drive or hike, not far though, for fish, more turtles, alligators.
Which the more you go away from the digs, the more you expose yourself to problems from others, and the more you expose your digs to problems from others while you are away.

Have to really think through much.

Cuy solves a lot of that.
It tastes great as well.
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People who lived out in the country, whether farmfolk or not, used to help their neighbours, knowing that their strength was in their banding together (like in barn raising) rather than in fighting. OP -- your post is repugnant, as are many responses here.
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There are people that just want to be out of the cities as tensions gets worse, they aren't necessarily dreaming of running a farm. Just want to put some distance between the city and themselves, i.e., not be trapped in the city in a bad situation.

You don't necessarily need to farm to live away from the cities if you prep, have a well on the property (can get a frost free hand pump). Can get a coal/wood burning stove (coal lasts a long time). 5-10 acres is good, if you have jobs, you won't want to maintain much more.

Then stockpile food/meat. Put that little mini-mart in the basement. Just make sure you have access to a well/water (without electricity) and to heat (without electricity). A lot of older farmhouses had coal rooms...for a purpose. You can still buy coal to heat with.

It doesn't have to be complicated.

There are compromises, there are middle-of-the-road options. You don't have to go full blown into farming and give up the "day" job. KEEP the day job, just make sure your semi-rural area has a good well and heat source that doesn't require electricity, and stockpile food. Preferably you buy the land/house outright (no mortgage).

Will this last forever? No, but it may get you through the worst of it. That's all we plan on doing, i.e., get through a year, hopefully the worst of it. I can't see society here in the U.S. going through more than 4-6 months without complete anarchy and in that case...well, all bets are off.

Then, Plan B ... still in progress :)
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It is spiraling out of control and cities will burn as EBT cards become frozen


Even if urbanites ad land, they have no understanding of the work that will be required to survive...while the biGbother nappies and govt wipes are awaited for.


The majority cannot grow anything, or hae any clue, to preserve,to can, to smoke, to grow...


and conditions to do so are decreasing,with all the Frankenscience applied to the earth...it is becoming sterile across the fields, withsuper weeds, and unmet needs
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This is a very sad thread.

That is because the majority are caught in the mindset of, "American Famrming," i.e., largely people of a European background.

Now.

Let me show you a better way.
That has been used for thousands of years to sustain life.

I'll just give you two things.

One:
Cuy.

Google, YT.

THE most elegant protein source.
They eat GRASS.
Centuries of raising them in homes in Peru, Ecuador.

Take little room. You will be amazed at just how little. Amazed. Eat grass cuttings. Provide high quality... and very delicious... protein source.

Expand your minds. That is what it will take.

Two:
Check out the Vietnamese gardens in East New Orleans, in the Vietnamese enclave.
Check out the various levels/types of gardening that goes on.

Hint: the American way of planting St. Augustine lawns... the ultra-limiting mindset, may well one day kill very many if tshtf... simply because people have been entrained to think in particularly limited and dependent ways.

No being a paid member means I can't post pictures in this thread.
Which really is to the detriment of the entire forum.

Google.
As well, if you can watch the PBS show:
"Vietnamese Cuisine in New Orleans," advise you do so.
This does touch on the gardening practices, from simple to more complex.

You owe it to yourselves to explore how peoples in areas have survived for hundreds to thousands of years.

If you are going to make it, you really are going to have to learn to think outside the box.

I spit out that American Way of so much in terms of basic survival.
I went to, and looked at how other cultures did it for so long...
And still do it.

Learn or Die. (dramatic some?... yea... but, just saying... in an attempt to make a point).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28477471


Yeah but we're Americans!

And this is the greatest country on Earth.

Are you trying to tell me we aren't the greatest fucking thing that has ever existed and there are better ways to living?

I don't believe a damn word of it.

Sounds like muzzie or communist shit to me!

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Perhaps if you spoke with Ozymandias he would agree.
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People who lived out in the country, whether farmfolk or not, used to help their neighbours, knowing that their strength was in their banding together (like in barn raising) rather than in fighting.
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Some of my neighbors and I do a fair bit of trading labor. But, as you allude to, the television generation has been inculcated into thinking that it is all for one; and none for all. I've tried to involve all but been met with some pretty weird responses ranging from silence to borderline hostility. Still, you can barely get a person in the city to call 911 when witnessing someone dying at their feet. That kind of isolation is repugnant.
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First thread in awhile that I found interesting and worth reading through.
Alot of wisdom here. Alot of foolishness too.
I came to the sticks 4 years ago. It ain't easy by any means. Gardening for food? Two or three times the energy/labor expended as apposed to a job and buying your food. Whole lot healthier eating though.
Critters will eat it all. 10 possums, 2 raccoons last year in traps. This year it was 3 raccoons, 5 ground hawgs.
Planted late this year, out of town working.
For the labor expended and fuel burned, I'd say more than $1 per ear of corn, per tomato, per squash.
Oh and bugs.......they'll destroy your whole garden, if the critters leave you anything. Poison the bugs you poison yourself. I've had raccoons eat 10 cantelope in one night....
Firewood? I've been close to smashed/flattened cutting trees down. The backbreaking work cutting it up/loading/unloading/splitting/stacking/ lugging it into the house.
Up every 2/3 or 4 hours to stock the wood burner?
Fukk me. My back hurts, literally.
I'm burning propane for now, furnace. going to the chiropractor shortly. Being old sukks. Used to say GETTING OLD, beyond that I geuss.
On the upside, I've outlived most assholes I've ever known and most of my old freinds. I ain't giving up, not without a painful fight.
Compost, concubine, slave.......if you come out here and can't make your own way you're going to have problems with the locals.
I work too hard to have canned venison and garden veggies stashed to let anyone take from me.
Be prepared to work harder than you ever have, to have any chance to survive out here.
You can educate the ignorant, but you can't fix stupid!
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Unless you grew up here to begin with, you just don't have the mindset to truly make it. You have very little concept of how subsidized, pampered and protected your lifestyle is. You can't just pop out for any given need when you inhabit the boonies. Cops and ambulances can take hours to respond. Heat in the form of wood is dirty and dangerous from the point of felling to combustion, especially if you don't grasp the difference between soft and hard woods. Say goodbye to clean clothes, daily chores are not forgiving. Food? Hah! You have no idea how cheap your food is. You will spend more time raising crops and livestock than you ever did pushing pixels, and for not profit, but just to cover a per person 2000Kcal/day diet.

Speaking of which, how are you going to pay taxes and licenses? Your opportunity to earn in the sticks is severely limited, and you will be in competition from natives for what jobs exist; not something you want to bring on yourself. You think you hate immigrants? Flatlanders are not welcomed with open arms, even if you are white as the driven snow.

Why? Because of the attitudes you bring. I own over a 100 acres. However, the town now has a health ordinance making it illegal for me to own more than 20 pigs. This was shoved through by transplants. Now I do not use pigs as an income source, and have never kept more than one breeding pair, but just who do you think you are telling me what I can and can not keep in terms of livestock? It hasn't stopped there. There are now laws limiting the use of outdoor boilers to between October and April, and you can't just have any old boiler, it has to be the most complex one. Bullshit. It can take decades for the locals to trust you if ever, all because of the previous high minded urban refugees.

Life is not easy out here. Unless you are used to hard physical labor for much of the day, you don't stand a chance out here. Some make it. More than that have come and gone within a year or two. The bucolic country side looks mighty appealing from the outside, but unless you are ready for the commitment of your life to provide as much as you can for yourself, and do without, you are in for a rude awakening. Forget about discretionary spending on new fangled gadgets. Your budget will predominately be chewed up by the insatiable appetite of your implements and inputs for plantings and livestock.

Then there is the land. Few have any clue as to how many acres it takes to support livestock and crops. Realistically, the bare minimum to start a self sufficient holding for a family is 10-15 acres per person. Livestock need huge amounts of pasture in the summer and grain for the winter. You will also need a wood lot and crop land.

It is great to carp and dream, but get a clue; bugging out to the country is not all milk and honey. In the end you probably are better off lumping up with the rest of the urbanites in the coming fedghettos.
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you are spot on.

The whole reason cities grew, even with their attendant risks and problems was that city living was far easier than farming.

Self sufficiency leaves little time for luxuries and comforts, nature never takes a holiday and neither will you
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Why do so many rural people think people who live in cities are weak and stupid?!
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Probably because all the city dwellers are weak and stupid.
Tell me what this tastes like...
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Why do so many rural people think people who live in cities are weak and stupid?!
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Probably because all the city dwellers are weak and stupid.
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I live in a rural area. I don't think it is that scary OP. However you are 100% right about competition for jobs. We don't have enough for us and most businesses that do exist hire locally preferentially.

"Bugging out" is not the go about relocating anyway. If you are convinced that an urban center is not the place to be consider moving now. Join a community, and get accustomed to a new pace and way of thinking. OP's scenario is very accurate if there is some kind of mass migration after a disaster, I am originally from Louisiana and when all the refugees came in from New Orleans there was a lot of bad blood.

Anyway, I think folks from urban areas are better off modifying their environments to be more resilient. Start making changes now. Learn new skills like growing, or sewing. Most importantly go meet your neighbors. Community is more important than hoarded gold and guns. Although having some of those isn't a bad idea either.

Cheers. :)
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I live in the city - just outside of Detroit. I don't feel that I live in a bad area, but you might say otherwise. I have a job in an office and drive a fancy sports car. So I'm dead in what? 2-3 weeks, tops?

Why not make some more amazing generalizations and demonstrate how truly unintelligent you are, OP.

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Many people who live in cities grew up in the country, and still travel between the two, and are adept at living in either situation. A lot of country folk are bitter because they didn't ever leave the ranch to get out and do or see anything interesting so they cop this anti-city people attitude to mask their inferiority complex about being a hick.
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Protein sources are the #1 food issue for someone bugging out. Oak tree's are a magnet for deer, hogs, squirel. If I want to bag a deer I head out to the oak grove.

If your not close to a forest you best have a lot of supplies in tow.
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dang 2000 calories a day?
sounds like a guvment agent to me.

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2000 is a bare minimum with the amount of labor that I do. You can get by on 600 if all you do is push pixels. Try farming and see what happens on that little of an input...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26820407


You're right. It takes a lot of energy and time to cultivate land such as the size you have. And you're also right about the grazing for the animals - It takes many acres for just 5 or 6 cattle and I know farmers that still supplement with hay.

It's true that anything over 5 acres owns you, not the other way around.

But I do disagree with the statement that people from the suburban areas are not cut out for this type of life - I do agree that the city folk (think Los Angeles, San Francisco, Chicago, New York, etc.) are not probably going to be able to cut it. They are far too used to getting everything they need and want by just handing a salesperson money. There are exceptions to the rule, as in anything else, but for the most part, they are woefuly inequipped to do what needs to be done to survive.
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This is a very sad thread.

That is because the majority are caught in the mindset of, "American Famrming," i.e., largely people of a European background.

Now.

Let me show you a better way.
That has been used for thousands of years to sustain life.

I'll just give you two things.

One:
Cuy.

Google, YT.

THE most elegant protein source.
They eat GRASS.
Centuries of raising them in homes in Peru, Ecuador.

Take little room. You will be amazed at just how little. Amazed. Eat grass cuttings. Provide high quality... and very delicious... protein source.

Expand your minds. That is what it will take.

Two:
Check out the Vietnamese gardens in East New Orleans, in the Vietnamese enclave.
Check out the various levels/types of gardening that goes on.

Hint: the American way of planting St. Augustine lawns... the ultra-limiting mindset, may well one day kill very many if tshtf... simply because people have been entrained to think in particularly limited and dependent ways.

No being a paid member means I can't post pictures in this thread.
Which really is to the detriment of the entire forum.

Google.
As well, if you can watch the PBS show:
"Vietnamese Cuisine in New Orleans," advise you do so.
This does touch on the gardening practices, from simple to more complex.

You owe it to yourselves to explore how peoples in areas have survived for hundreds to thousands of years.

If you are going to make it, you really are going to have to learn to think outside the box.

I spit out that American Way of so much in terms of basic survival.
I went to, and looked at how other cultures did it for so long...
And still do it.

Learn or Die. (dramatic some?... yea... but, just saying... in an attempt to make a point).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28477471




There you go. There are many solutions to the problems we foresee.

Edit: typo
 Quoting: Unit3


This probably could be a whole thread in itself. Most people don't realize all the things you can eat to survive, and actually thrive on.

For example, 1 pound of inner tree bark (with the right type of trees) can give 500-600 calories + protein, and it even can be made into flour (or to make your flour go farther).

[link to survival.outdoorlife.com]

Also, insects are also a great source of calories, and have about 10 times the protein of beef.

Be careful though, not all bugs and trees are created equal. Learn what the hell you are doing.

Some other obscure foods include:
Thissles
Cattails (swamps)
Many types of flowers (roses and lilies in particular)
acorns (better cook them well)
worms
many reptiles (turtles are great)
almost all small animals


In fact, the thing that should be in EVERYONE's survival kits / bugout bags is an ample supply things to dress up obscure foods. A little sugar/honey, tobasco, spices, powdered butter, and other condiments can make even the most disgusting food a lot more bareable.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14016885





Dirt is also a good alternative. It's full of minerals and the Chinese ate it for survival. Might try topping it off with catsup, LOL!
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It REALLY doesn't matter because everyone will eventually be fedghetto sheep. The gvment is buying or forcing everyone off rural property anyway (regulation violations, taxation increases, etc.) and soon for YOUR SAFETY.
YOU WILL ALL BECOME Robert Duval and Pedro Don Colley of the movie "THX1138". You will take your attitude adjustment drugs. You will build the robots/drones who enslave you. You will marry whoever they tell you (some dude/gal whatever). And YOU WILL OBEY! Now how dat sound!!
You are being herded into the defensed cities. Remember it's peace and safety everyone, so smile.
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Spiral out. Keep going...
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about a year ago i watched i vid where in california they grew 6K pounds of food a year on just 1/8 of an acre...

i kept the vid in my favs but haven't located it.
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with thousands and thousands of gallons of water. moved by fossil fuels.
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No. They use rainwater. I found the video about rainwater being used in the neighborhood this poster and I have been trying to find. Please just study it for yourself. Try to be open minded about it. Wouldn't it be great if you learned something that could help you and your family like this?



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Unit3 i share your interest and love of permaculture
its sound in principle and is adaptable to any location
but every area is different and has many different challenges also while the principles can be implemented imediately in some cases it will take a lifetime to bring
it to fruition.

OP is right with his original post where i live now is just
full of abandoned homesteads that people have begun then
quit and went back to the cities or warmer climes
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What I'm really trying to say is that no matter where any of us live, there are many alternatives we can all use to our advantage. We all have the internet for now, where any problem we encounter, we can find solutions.

Every day, I find all kinds of problems being worked out. So the bottom line is, give up scarcity mentality and don't feel the solutions you need are to be handed to you on a silver platter. Improvise. Use the best of several ideas.

What I fail to see happening in this thread is working together to figure out solutions. What I mostly see is everyone saying why something can't be done.

If a person is determined that a food forest will not work in their area, try doing it on a small scale. Pots on the patio, a garden plot with 4 layers, sprouting grass and other seeds in the kitchen....it's endless.

And, in the meantime, look for solutions to the other problems you perceive in your grand plan.

Some think water is a problem. In the meantime, other have come up with resourceful ideas:

There are people turning their greenhouses into water distillers with plants. You can also dig a hole, put a jug in the hole, cover it with plastic and wait however long and when you dig the jug out, viola'...water. (needs filtering.) This guy is pulling water from the air with things he got from a regular hardware store: [link to droughtmasters.net]

Seriously, I can't believe GLP'ers aren't reporting they are doing these things themselves and letting us know about it. So quit saying no it can't be done and figure out how it can be done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

just sayin'

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Re: Thinking of bugging out to the country? Think again.
It's easy to pick out the fake 'country boys' posting on this thread.

First off, if any of the men in my county had an 8 inch long, one inch DEEP cut on his leg, he'd apply direct pressure to it, tell the wife it ain't nothing, but still have his boy or wife drive him into see the doc.

Secondly, men don't go telling strangers how tough they are, or how hard they work. Nobody wants to hear it, much less wonder why a person felt the need to point it out in the first place.
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Secondly, men don't go telling strangers how tough they are, or how hard they work. Nobody wants to hear it, much less wonder why a person felt the need to point it out in the first place.

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Re: Thinking of bugging out to the country? Think again.
If you live in the country, you must be VERY VERY careful. This is about "bugging out", and the process a total collapse actually takes in a highly industrialized society. When it happens, it will not happen as you think it will. Not at all. Read and learn.

First, cities will fall apart. They will riot and kill. The suburbanites will not move at first. Only the strongest, cruelest, well armed, most organized groups will survive and flourish in the cities. Eventually these groups will be forced out into the suburbs. Since they produce nothing, they must expand outwards like locusts into the surrounding area.

Second, the suburbs will fall apart when the city finally stabilizes, but there will be nothing left to eat in the cities. The suburbanites will be fighting one another AND those battle hardened groups expanding from the cities. Some suburban groups will survive, some city groups will survive, and all will have a mix of both as groups band together out of necessity to crush smaller groups. Now you have distilled millions of the weak and unorganized into thousands of well organized, well armed groups fanning out from the suburbs.

Now these battle hardened individuals that produce nothing, but are professionals in the art of guerrilla war, horror, and theft, have been distilled from literally millions down to a few thousand - now it's your turn. The "country tough guy".

Third. This is where you come in "country tough guy". Sadly, your view of reality is as pathetic of those you make fun and deride that live in the cities and suburbs. You have no idea what awaits you. The only experience you have had up until now are the suburban and city traveler groups with their families trying to escape the impending doom. Instead of opening your arms (for humane AND selfish reasons) to the willing workers and defenders of your country survival, you have either killed or chased them away. As time passes, you realize what a fool you and your neighbors were.

Now, one morning you find yourself severely outgunned. Outmatched in equipment at every turn. Gangs of armed para-military personnel that have cherry picked the best weapons from National Guard and Police lockers with unlimited munitions. Out-manned and out-led in experience as a cohesive fighting force. The people coming at you in large numbers have had months or years of experience in real world tactics on how exactly to take what they want. From you. They will have small mobile reconnaissance forces of their fittest troops with the fastest heavily armored vehicles and best weapons. All of this with practically unlimited fuel from previous conquests and millions of derelict vehicles under their control and at their disposal. An intact and fully functional supply line.

THAT, unfortunately, is the ultimate reality. It is not pretty, but that it how the world really works at this level.

If you are lucky, in the end you may convince those that have come in overwhelming force that you and those you know are worth saving. After they have killed anyone that may cause trouble or do not have the skills they need, of course.

Then, YOU, since you grew up in the "country", will finally understand what the correct mindset is to truly make it. Only then will you realize that you never had "the mindset", but fooled yourself that you did.

Unfortunately, to your masters, you have the mindset of a producer, a cog, a slave... and that is what you shall be.
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Re: Thinking of bugging out to the country? Think again.
It REALLY doesn't matter because everyone will eventually be fedghetto sheep.
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If everyone is in the ghetto, who is producing the food they eat?

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